July 2002 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Meeting yesterday and welcome to new members of the list
by Philip Hands 07 Jul '03

07 Jul '03

Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> writes: > I've just subscribed various people to the list - please post a > message to say hello and introduce yourselves. Hi, If you were at the meeting, I was wearing a Debian t-shirt (with a red swirl logo on it) --- there's a photo at the top of this article, where I'm wearing similar stuff (except for the penguin ;-) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue6/lu6-Editorial-A_patently_bad_ide… I'm a Debian GNU/Linux developer, and run the UK Debian mirror, and am responsible for producing the Debian official CD images: http://www.uk.debian.org/ http://cdimage.debian.org/ I have only a peripheral interest in educational matters, in that I've been frustrated in the past in my efforts to provide free computers (which were otherwise destined for a skip), but I can certainly contribute on a technical side, and having been involved in Debian (which is completely voluntary, like OSIE is expected to be) since 1996 I may be able to make some suggestions about how to ``organise'' such a thing. For those of you who've not come across Debian before, we're a world-wide voluntary organisation (read, chaotic jumble of mailing lists) that puts together a Linux distribution (and soon a HURD distribution) and gives it away. Debian doesn't pay people to do this, and doesn't sell what it produces, and in most legal senses doesn't really exist (i.e. the machines in the mirror network mostly belong to people like me, rather than to Debian, and the bandwidth is donated rather than paid for). This probably gives a pretty good feel for what Debian is all about: http://www.uk.debian.org/social_contract which you will notice leads into the The Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), which is where the Open Source Definition came from. My internet machine, that hosts the Debian UK mirror, may be of use to OSIE, since it has about 30GB of spare disk, and a 20Mbit/s connection at a well connected ISP. This machine could act as either a primary host or mirror site for the web site, and could do DNS secondarying etc. as well. Something I'd be interested in working on (although perhaps a SuSE list is not the right place to spend too much time discussing this ;-) would be producing Debian CD images, tuned to the needs of educational users. Debian has accumulated some funds in the UK, and have been looking for a worthwhile cause to spend them on (we never really need to pay for anything that actually makes Debian work, so don't have much use for money), so we could probably afford to have a few thousand CDs pressed, and send them out to schools that are interested. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ Philip Hands. +44 (0)20 7744 6244 philip.hands(a)uk.alcove.com Alcove UK --- Liberating Software --- http://www.alcove.com/ http://www.hands.com/ phil(a)hands.com http://www.uk.debian.org/

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RE NHS Meeting - Bill and Tony
by Alan Harris 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

Hi all thought this might be of interest to some of you :- <my email> > Subject: Microsoft and the British Government - Possible Anti-Competitive Behaviour > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:04:20 +0100 > From: alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk > To: Erkki.Liikanen(a)cec.eu.int > > Hi, > > I write regarding the current negotiations between the British > Government and Microsoft in which, to date, Microsoft have been awarded > a contract to supply the National Health Service with some 60 Million > (£)'s worth of software licenses. > > I would be grateful if you could inform me of the current state of the > anti-competition investigation being undertaken by the EU against > Microsoft, as it appears that more such deals (like that for the NHS) > are in the pipeline. As the commisioner with responsibility for the > Information Society I am sure that you are well aware of the potential > for damage being created by such actions. > > Many Thanks > > Alan </my email> <commisioners response> > Subject: RE: Microsoft and the British Government - Possible Anti-Competit ive Behaviour > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:08:31 +0100 > From: Erkki.Liikanen(a)cec.eu.int > To: alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk > CC: Mario.Monti(a)cec.eu.int, Marc.Van-Hoof(a)cec.eu.int, Olli.Rehn(a)cec.eu.int, Per.Haugaard(a)cec.eu.int > > Dear. Mr. Harris, > > I pass your letter to my colleague Mario Monti and his cabinet. He is > responsible for this issue. > But still, during investigation I don't believe much more can be said what > has been in public. > > with best regards > > Erkki Liikanen > > ******************************** > Mr. Erkki Liikanen > Member of the Commission > tel. +32-2-295.79.57 > fax +32-2-295.85.61 > erkki.liikanen(a)cec.eu.int > secretary; kirsi.larjava(a)cec.eu.int > tel. +32-2-295.14.40 > http://europa.eu.int/comm/commissioners/liikanen/index_en.htm > </commissiones response> There may be hope for all of us then? Alan ----------------------------------------------------- Alan Harris Network Manager Bryngwyn School Tel : 01554 750661 Fax : 01554 758255 E-mail: alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk ----------------------------------------------------- Notes: 1. The contents of this email may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown purposes! Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. 2. The opinions expressed in this email are personal and may not be shared by Bryngwyn School. -----------------------------------------------------

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SuSE EMail Server II
by Rob Keeling 10 Aug '02

10 Aug '02

Thanks for the replies I received to my last post, it turned out to be a combination of dirty cd, dodgy CD-ROM drive and overheating problems! I have now installed everything, and trying to get to grips with the way it works. I need to try to integrate it with a NT 4 domain database if at all possible, using NT passwords would be a VERY good move. I am trying to move our system slowly but surely to Linux rather than MS, at the moment Outlook express is giving us major problems with pop3. What I want to do is, configure Outlook for IMAP access, (as an added bonus it looks like LDAP will do our system wide address book). Allow web mail from anywhere, and add a IMAP tool to our new Linux machines (once I have built them!). I was assuming that I could replace the Unix password file with winbind, giving me common users and passwords, this looks like a big assumption? Can I configure something to populate the LDAP server with all our user names etc, and then use something else to use NT password authentication? Thanks for any help anyone can give! I am getting a bit out of my depth................ Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School Ashbourne

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Squid and broadband
by Dave Williams 02 Aug '02

02 Aug '02

Hi everyone We have been using a dialup connection and squid successfully as a proxy for the past few months. However, we have just been connected to broadband (18 months later than promised) and I now need to change the squid.conf file to connect to the new service. Broadband is provided through embc (East Midlands Broadband Consortium) and we have a router on site, 10.0.12.1, which machines can use as a gateway to access the embc proxy. We have ip numbers for the embc dns and proxy but I cannot get machines on our network to connect through the squid box. When an individual client connects directly through the gateway to the embc proxy there are no login screens and internet access (filtered) is immediately available. I assume there must be some way of enabling the squid box to do the same and then proxy the internet to the rest of the machines on the network. Can anyone help? Dave Williams

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Quick cron question...
by Andrew RAY 30 Jul '02

30 Jul '02

Excellent advice from Michael, as always. On 2002.07.29 23:01 Michael Brown wrote: > Even nicer: > > While in your home directory (or anywhere else you don't mind storing > your > crontab file) : > crontab -l > crontab > ci -l crontab In case you need it, to track back through any revisions you have made, you will need to use the command co -r1.3 -l crontab where 1.3 corresponds to the version of the crontab you wish to use. (Versions are numbered, by rcs, conventionally from 1.1 ascending, as you proceed through.) The -l ensures the file is locked for you to revise (and will place a rw copy for you to edit). If you leave out the -l, you'll get a ro copy. Don't worry about overwriting your existing file with an earlier revision. As long as you don't delete the crontab,v file that rcs makes, you can always unpack a later revision again later on. Managing revisions sensibly requires a little bit of care. The rcs file holds notes of locks imposed as you check revisions out for editing. If you need to remove a lock, you'll need rcs -u1.3 crontab I could go on, but the man pages on the rcs suite are quite good. Look at those for ci, co and rcs as a first step. (By the by, Michael's 'killer' package, Lyx, has built-in facilities for using rcs to control versions of documents which is an amazing bonus!) If you prefer to use CVS, you might also want to look at pharmacy or lincvs, both of which are graphical front ends for the cvs system Michael recommended as a more powerful means of version control. Managing revisions is getting a little further away from your original enquiry, but might even be worth a thread of its own. Thanks for raising it, Michael. Andrew -- ******************************************************************************** E-Mail: aray(a)computerpark.co.uk ********************************************************************************

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Quick cron question...
by Andrew RAY 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

> > crontab -e A neater way to keep a history of the old crontab entries (just in case your changes cause things to go wrong): 1. As the user whose crontab you are changing (presumably root in your case), make a suitable directory (~/cronfiles). 2. In that directory, execute crontab -l > original.root.cron crontab -l > 2002.07.29.root.cron (This places the contents of the current crontab in a text file you can edit with vi, and preserves an original.) 3. vi 2002.07.29.root.cron (This allows you to edit the copy of the cron file that you will update.) 4. crontab 2002.07.29.root.cron (This reads your edited file, replacing the current cron settings with your proposed new ones.) By these small extra steps, you can keep various versions of the cron file available for immediate use, and obviously re-name them if you find it helps. More ... > > The entry you want to do if you want to run something every 15 mins is > > 0-59/4 * * * * root /path/to/my/script > Sorry, but it is not. The columns normally work out like this: #mins hours Day-of-month Month Day-of-week (User-name-if-this-is-the-system-cron) Command 0-59/15 * * * * root /path/to/my/script is the correct entry. The figure after the / indicates the *step to jump* in units appropriate to the cron entry you are looking at (here, minutes), and is not used as a divisor in the sense Gary suggested. The man page Gary Stainburn referred you to is really very clear, so follow his advice and make sure you understand it. Hope this helps Andrew -- ******************************************************************************** E-Mail: aray(a)computerpark.co.uk ********************************************************************************

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problem with xinit, chooser and dhcp
by Simon Wood 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

Hi all, I'm having problems getting my xinit/chooser setup working properly, and was hoping that someone knows a solution or can suggest something to try. What I have set up is xinit running on the local machine (laptop), but without a Xserver entry. I then start 'X -indirect w.x.y.z' from inittab. This works with varying success. I'm doing this so that I can either work locally on the laptop or use it as an X terminal onto another machine. The main problem is that the IP is DHCP'ed and this seems to cause confusion. If I use the loopback I can see 'myself' and other machines, but can't log into other machines (I assume that they get confused by 127.0.0.1). If I use an allocated IP (which is a fixed value at home) then I can log into all (both) machines. However the DHCP IP at work is more dynamic and has the potential to change. Two questions. 1). Can someone confirm why the 127.0.0.1 fails, as this is the more logical one to use (I think). 2). Can anyone suggest a way of automatically altering the value for inittab, bear in mind that the network may come up/be ejected after the machine has booted (as it's pcmcia) and can change when DHCP license expires. I'm running on Debian, which I suppose makes it a little naughty posting to Suse-Schools.... Thanks in advance, Simon Wood

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Dependents
by ptaylor 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

Hi all: Has anyone had any difficulties trying to load the kdebase3.rpm for SuSE 8.0? I get the following: error: failed dependencies: kdebase3 = 3.0 is needed by kdebase3-devel-3.0-5 All the other updates worked so I assume there is a problem with this or me, can't be me right :) Paul

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SCORM AICC FlashMX
by Colin McQueen 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

Hi I have just started getting into FlashMX and have found the Quiz templates. These help quickly produce flash based quizzes that will communicate with a LMS that sticks to AICC or SCORM based standards. Questions Is anyone building a Linux LMS based/using on these standards? How difficult would it be to write something that recieves the FlashMX SCORM/AICC communication to put it into say an MySQL database. ie. not a full LMS but a simple database based on the users and their interaction with the FlashMX applets. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T

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SuSE Email Server II Installation
by Rob Keeling 27 Jul '02

27 Jul '02

I got a copy of Email server II SuSE`s recent sale, which I am trying to install on various machines with no success. Is there anyone using this that might be able to tell me whats going on? A minimum system spec would be a good start. Thanks Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School

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mac to windows network via linux
by paul 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

Hi Where I work we have a room of Apple Mac (performa I think) computers. Afaik We have a mac server, the rest of the site is on WinNT (I think) along with NT work stations, I think the plan is to get the macs to talk to the rest of the network. so they can surf the net or allow the users to save their work to the main server. According to one of the technicians (I help him with cabling etc), the TCP/IP can also talk appletalk, I am not sure about this but I have read that it's possible to stick a linux box in between the two systems.As Linux can talk and understand both it can act as a I would guess a translator or whatever the correct term is, allowing both to co-exist, (someone in the US did this a few years ago, I can't seem to find the write up though). If it's possible I could have a go, as there seems to be quite a lot of old kit lying around so we could make use of it, as it should not need a super duper computer to do this, just something low powered with a nice amount of ram (for linux anything 16mb + I guess). As I said, I not sure about how well TCP/IP and appletalk communicate, Looking through my sams TYS tcp/ip in 24 hrs I can't see any references to appletalk, so it's either not supported or needs some sort of extentions or something. Has anyone got any experience of this, I will have a look on the LDP site, and on the net, any advice would be great, I can then propose to one ot the techs about this. thanks Paul

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Quick cron question...
by Matt Johnson 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

How do I run a script every 15 minutes, instead of every hour (at the moment I'm using in cron.hourly)? Thanks in advance. -- Matt Johnson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP
by Chris Puttick 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

Ditto please... -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Williamson To: 'Rob Keeling' Cc: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 7/24/02 11:45 PM Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Any chance of a copy of that? == Kyle M. Williamson Applemore College Tel: (023) 80 849369 Fax: (023) 80 848715 k.williamson(a)applemore.hants.sch.uk ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, the E-mail and associated files have been transmitted to you in error: any copying, distribution or other use of the information contained in them is strictly prohibited. Nothing in this E-mail may be interpreted as a contractual or other legal commitment on the part of Applemore College unless confirmed by a communication signed by or on behalf of the Principal. If you are of the opinion that have received this email in error, please contact admin(a)applemore.hants.sch.uk ********************************************************************** PGP Signature: http://mson.org/pgp/ - -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keeling [mailto:rob@rjkeeling.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 24 October 2002 21:16 To: Kyle Williamson Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP We have a system built using MS Access & asp, which uses the timetable data from Star. If you need more info let me know. Our Sims support group tell me that the data in Nova T is stored in a very weird format. Your mileage may vary.... Rob Keeling Network Manger Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School Ashbourne - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Williamson" <k.williamson(a)applemore.hants.sch.uk> To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone had any luck writing an interface for NOVA-T with PHP? > We're trying to merge over timetables onto our Intranet. > > > == > > Kyle M. 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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP
by Kyle Williamson 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Any chance of a copy of that? == Kyle M. Williamson Applemore College Tel: (023) 80 849369 Fax: (023) 80 848715 k.williamson(a)applemore.hants.sch.uk ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, the E-mail and associated files have been transmitted to you in error: any copying, distribution or other use of the information contained in them is strictly prohibited. Nothing in this E-mail may be interpreted as a contractual or other legal commitment on the part of Applemore College unless confirmed by a communication signed by or on behalf of the Principal. If you are of the opinion that have received this email in error, please contact admin(a)applemore.hants.sch.uk ********************************************************************** PGP Signature: http://mson.org/pgp/ - -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keeling [mailto:rob@rjkeeling.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 24 October 2002 21:16 To: Kyle Williamson Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP We have a system built using MS Access & asp, which uses the timetable data from Star. If you need more info let me know. Our Sims support group tell me that the data in Nova T is stored in a very weird format. Your mileage may vary.... Rob Keeling Network Manger Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School Ashbourne - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Williamson" <k.williamson(a)applemore.hants.sch.uk> To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone had any luck writing an interface for NOVA-T with PHP? > We're trying to merge over timetables onto our Intranet. > > > == > > Kyle M. 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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP
by Rob Keeling 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

We have a system built using MS Access & asp, which uses the timetable data from Star. If you need more info let me know. Our Sims support group tell me that the data in Nova T is stored in a very weird format. Your mileage may vary.... Rob Keeling Network Manger Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School Ashbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Williamson" <k.williamson(a)applemore.hants.sch.uk> To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SIMS / PHP > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Has anyone had any luck writing an interface for NOVA-T with PHP? > We're trying to merge over timetables onto our Intranet. > > > == > > Kyle M. Williamson > Applemore College > > Tel: (023) 80 849369 > Fax: (023) 80 848715 > > k.williamson(a)applemore.hants.sch.uk > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are private and intended > solely for the use of the addressee. > > If you are not the intended recipient, the E-mail and associated > files have been transmitted to you in error: any copying, > distribution or other use of the information contained in them is > strictly prohibited. > > Nothing in this E-mail may be interpreted as a contractual or other > legal commitment on the part of Applemore College unless confirmed by > a communication signed by or on behalf of the Principal. > > If you are of the opinion that have received this email in error, > please contact admin(a)applemore.hants.sch.uk > ********************************************************************** > > - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > mQGiBD06jlYRBAD4qre/9aluLxQERxgQoog700idfn18FsQVjxrCpLU0L6aw50yC > f3oKtQrxblRUFiyFdpe04esBq+y9sGIg5NBu3+fgNkLzNtebosCEnrdzhC3uYOB4 > VtqFHWmNvHmdpzue4G1xPkCMjzNg6kKgjyqg6h5tT4fT4o6TCWyQFAkUdwCg/5yd > E4rQft65TtYrdheg7+l98y8EAOibnNLV5idihRpTZUWkIn5U+LwUJG/FKDLvt91T > 503Qma9NnLM9lI+xT7VnN0vhut0tyNvAwsDwYkckUsMxO/ushWHocZF5ccttmFpE > 8uGZhS2JF4ah/2XAubOahk50K2/fB6anAq5ZlxKys2HsdoZ1+uGktB3P8zzik/tG > wVIbA/9JrTDcxJq8ZynW7vHI2/AQSqYokNg1HyEWnqBhuxIgWXlf3Y75vtog/fBT > +7GfUjKC4Voixavg8Z4SplJwVTloFtTJgFM+xNKpIRSoJEuiqSScUDNm8+xYLKJJ > KuH2P9P+T5pT9gOpwPiUYnLbKCbZWl3hvBK/wAwed3wCTCBsPrQ1S3lsZSBXaWxs > aWFtc29uIDxrLndpbGxpYW1zb25AYXBwbGVtb3JlLmhhbnRzLnNjaC51az6JAFgE > EBECABgFAj06jlYICwMJCAcCAQoCGQEFGwMAAAAACgkQE7RRmV2eAxnJOACgkrov > IaNoRUhPoQ/VAwJHQDbF0x4AnilTco7XIQav2K/9/aHWT8xtEu4BtDBLeWxlIFdp > bGxpYW1zb24gPGt5bGUud2lsbGlhbXNvbkBrYW1tdGVjaC5jby51az6JAEYEEBEC > AAYFAj06jy4ACgkQE7RRmV2eAxn50QCfUYk2sUEmMMjrnJbLvhzZ9Zf5N/gAnROh > rLRZj/KZnJMIW8orfdZvAT+rtCRLeWxlIFdpbGxpYW1zb24gPGt5bGV3aWxsaUBt > c29uLm9yZz6JAEYEEBECAAYFAj06j0IACgkQE7RRmV2eAxm6cgCfcI8L5lL5tBdr > C8Yf3L0aefajJQ4AoMmfLbiwFC7Pr71xlD0K5PoO8JcAuQINBD06jlYQCAD2Qle3 > CH8IF3KiutapQvMF6PlTETlPtvFuuUs4INoBp1ajFOmPQFXz0AfGy0OplK33TGSG > SfgMg71l6RfUodNQ+PVZX9x2Uk89PY3bzpnhV5JZzf24rnRPxfx2vIPFRzBhznzJ > Zv8V+bv9kV7HAarTW56NoKVyOtQa8L9GAFgr5fSI/VhOSdvNILSd5JEHNmszbDgN > RR0PfIizHHxbLY7288kjwEPwpVsYjY67VYy4XTjTNP18F1dDox0YbN4zISy1Kv88 > 4bEpQBgRjXyEpwpy1obEAxnIByl6ypUM2Zafq9AKUJsCRtMIPWakXUGfnHy9iUsi > GSa6q6Jew1XpMgs7AAICB/4pHIkLPK7wkaYPoIMKllsmUxA8JikzSI2Z1UIzua8G > tC5dmzo0MOuKjTVj8HIrqVfCnGXH3CfM02KJBOj6r9JIHdwOGN9qve+XOqqNTDOt > ObyIxYnJuRN4VudYHUxuvJQ//2XLyp+aI8Ti0lYBjP6MC1BPLKFq3+tdODAOEOP8 > 8pD1EoXKBXbZ5cTqRfjpPEHhd3w0zX58abfQEMsqxXLeHQQOpqiMQ2GXlBgFKbmz > BBPBEUx9e6GPLystNECGkJtNzSKRqBsstken+6DGTZUWQQMaB1m+AOMgC+V/QBeN > qL1mgtPKPX1qqXOfFxidh9SzOp8BrhA2jRoifUCXzYINiQBMBBgRAgAMBQI9Oo5W > BRsMAAAAAAoJEBO0UZldngMZNWoAnia3ovqCzYjg19zgH+sQv/LWrBytAKDvaMMm > Epr2wRXKyqh5FsqAD97PSQ== > =1Ww7 > - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> > > iQA/AwUBPT8GOxO0UZldngMZEQJpkQCcCpIr1El3s3idWoVB6vrb26Or+4AAnRiF > tNBPkr7qZhhx6z3TNyX5m/Z3 > =VaRT > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > >

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SIMS / PHP
by Kyle Williamson 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

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Linux in Manchester (UK) schools
by Chris Puttick 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

Dear All I am very pleased to be able to announce that following the winding-down of the previous solution, from the 1st August 2002 Manchester primary (grade), infant (kindergarten) and special school administrative email services will be provided by SuSE Linux Email Server 3.1, hosted and administered by Central Manchester City Learning Centre. The SuSE solution is already in use by some secondary (high) schools in the city. There will be more than 140 schools in Manchester using SuSE Email Server once the switch is made. For further information, please contact me on +44 (0)161 212 1972 or on chris(a)centralmanclc.com. Regards Chris Puttick IT Manager Central Manchester City Learning Centre +44 (0)161 212 1972 PS My apologies to those who will receive this email more than once.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Samba & permissions
by Matt Johnson 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

Thanks Paul, The invalid users = root was a nice one I hadn't come across. And the create masks are something I will integrate too. Appreciate the thoughts. I'll leave me shares where they are then. It's a primary school - messing with the systems is accidental at this age :) Cheers -- Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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E-envoy news
by Malcolm Herbert 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

http://www.e-envoy.gov.uk/news/newonsite/oss-policy.htm The key decisions of this policy are as follows: * UK Government will consider OSS solutions alongside proprietary ones in IT procurements. Contracts will be awarded on a value for money basis. * UK Government will only use products for interoperability that support open standards and specifications in all future IT developments. * UK Government will consider obtaining full rights to bespoke software code or customisations of COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) software it procures wherever this achieves best value for money. * UK Government will explore further the possibilities of using OSS as the default exploitation route for Government funded R&D software. -- -------------------------------------- Malcolm Herbert Red Hat Europe t: +44 1483 734955 m: +44 7720 079845 --------------------------------------

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Free-ish Sharp Zaurus
by Clive Jones 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Sharp are doing another developer contest involving the Zaurus. Details of the contest are here: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/ To summarise, if you write an application for the Zaurus from their list of wants you are given a Zaurus. The list of applications can be found at: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/challenge/registration.php There are still a few apps in the learning/education section, or you may be able to suggest one they haven't thought of yet. Looking at the rules would suggest that you don't have to actually write the entire program - you could just port a GPL app from KDE, or write a new GUI for an existing game. Something to keep you busy over the summer :-) C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9PVOK+prcXMebSWQRAqNlAJ9bgoBLL+MtOZOtZpjqY5fakDcogACcDCo+ KDrRXqc5PabkmGXmpW/HMzU= =/GIi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Quota
by Dave Williams 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

Hi all I'm determined to keep this group going with an endless stream of fascinating questions............. I'm using Suse 8.0 and ReiserFS but I can't get quota to work. I've read the quota mini Howto and I understand that quota on 7.3 was flawed but I can't seem to get a working version. The error I get is quotaon: using //aquota.user on /dev/sda3 [/]: invalid argument Has anyone got quota to work on this combination of Suse/Reiser? Any help much appreciated. Dave Williams

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Samba & permissions
by Matt Johnson 21 Jul '02

21 Jul '02

Some advice needed please: Is is generally better to (1) try to mainly use native linux permissions to retrict access to a samba server by windows clients, or (2) leave native permissions reasonably slack, using instead smb.conf to restrict access, or (3) a combination of both? Also, is there somewhere that documents what native permissions and actual directory structures an administrator should setup on a samba server to be used as a PDC. i.e. Is there a standard place to put netlogon? I bet I have it in the wrong place on the linux box, but it's worked fine. I have it at /netlogon, but should it be further down a path somewhere. I have similar questions: I can find the howto's but I'm looking for a documented directory stucture and native permissions, along with the relevant smb.conf. Thanks for any pointers. -- Matt Johnson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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1 Billion for IT
by Richard Ibbotson 18 Jul '02

18 Jul '02

Dear all As there have been many times on this when the issue of the cost of software has been raised and the other things to do with Linux in schools are also discussed I thought that this would be the place to send some mail about Government spending on IT projects... from today's Computing trade paper.. " Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown has earmarked an extra £1bn for Government IT projects in the Comprehensive Spending Review. The biggest increase in public spending in 30 years sees technology at the heart of plans to modernise the public sector and bring service levels in line with European rivals. Issues singled out for IT budget increases include, education, benefits payments, local government, customs and excise and small business services. The biggest single winner is the criminal justice system - an extra £650m over three years to streamline case management takes the project's total budget to nearly £1bn. .... it goes on to say... These figures do not include the extra £1bn for NHS IT announced in April's budget. Extra commitment to technology investment is positive, but effectiveness may suffer without a clear strategic framework says CBI head of ebusiness Jeremy Beale." Pages 4 and 5 say more. Seems to me that only the word Microsoft has been mentioned ? Perhaps someone should explain something about Linux to our Jeremy ? Or, is he just the kind of Jeremy that people take him to be ? Thanks -- Richard www.sheflug.co.uk

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Starting the revolution?
by Damian Sweeney 16 Jul '02

16 Jul '02

An amusing anecdote: A Microsoft representative phoned a school in our area to discuss agreements, et al. The network administrator, when asked for a response to the offers given said, 'Well I've got an answer for you, StarOffice and Linux.' To which our friendly Microsoft rep. replied, rather unexpectedly, 'Yeah, good choice.' Decay from within has begun? -----Original Message----- From: Alan Harris <alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk> To: techlist(a)satproj.org.uk, suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:32:56 +0100 Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Starting the revolution? Interesting article in the register :- Microsoft 'hoovers millions' from UK Schools - MP http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26124.html Follow up on http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/News/NewsStory.asp?Brand=EDPONLINE&Category=… Time to 'Inform' our MP's of just what is going on then? BTW: Anyone here concerned over SIMS 'upgrade to microsoft or else' type policy? I have a meeting with them tomorrow to discuss thier so called upgrade path - i'd value any comments you may have. Alan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Boot ROMs
by Michael Brown 16 Jul '02

16 Jul '02

Just remembered that some people on this list have expressed an interest in buying ready-to-run network cards with BootROMs (using Etherboot software, suitable for use with LTSP or Fen Systems' own terminal-server setup[*]). There are two options available: 1. If you want a large quantity (>10) to be used in an actual installation, then contact me by e-mail. 2. If you want one or two just to play with then I'll do a special deal: 4 pounds per BootROM incl P&P. Restricted to "a few" per customer; this is "favour for a friend" pricing rather than "comercially realistic" pricing. BootROMs will fit in a D-Link DFE-538TX card, available for around 11 pounds IIRC, and I'll supply a floppy disc image that contains the software necessary to enable the D-Link's BootROM socket. [*] which will be part of the next Mandrake release. :-) Michael Brown http://www.fensystems.co.uk -- Fen Systems: Linux made easy for schools

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Starting the revolution?
by Ian Lynch 16 Jul '02

16 Jul '02

> >IanL > > True. Applemore has a mix of (mostly) Windows 2000 boxes, and 2 Unix based > servers, one being our proxy server, which (against my better judgement) is > being replaced from the ever-reliable squid to Microsoft's ISA due to a > lack of knowledge on the part of the remaining two ICT technicial blokeys. Tell Frank Callaghan, if it ain't broke don't fix it ;-) > We have around 350 machines (including 120 laptops), and we're using PARS. > It seems right now that we're using so many systems, sometimes it would be > nice for someone to come along and sell us an entire solution, one system > for everything. Not sure such a beast exists. Its certainly possible to set up a manageable system with integration of Windows and Linux that is pretty well seamless as far as the user is concerned and does not rely on a lot of expensive systems management software. > We also invested a large amount of money in a 24-Hour School in the last > year, this is an Apache based system (in-house) on a Win2k Server. I fear > we have scarficed stablity and reability for lack of knowledge. Seems starnge to run Apache on Win2000 not Linux? What is the advantage? > Which is a real shame. > - Kyle > > == > > Kyle M. Williamson > 24-Hour School Development > Applemore College, Roman Road, Dibden Purlieu, Southampton, Hampshire, SO45 > 4RQ > > Tel: (023) 80 848804 Ext: 216 > Fax: (023) 80 848715 > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are private and > intended solely for the use of the addressee. > > If you are not the intended recipient, the E-mail and associated > files have been transmitted to you in error: any copying, distribution > or other use of the information contained in them is strictly > prohibited. > > Nothing in this E-mail may be interpreted as a contractual or other > legal commitment on the part of Applemore College unless confirmed > by a communication signed by or on behalf of the Principal. > > If you are of the opinion that have received this email in error, > please contact admin(a)applemore.hants.sch.uk > **********************************************************************

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Starting the revolution?
by Chris Puttick 16 Jul '02

16 Jul '02

Is anyone out there seriously considering the alternatives? -----Original Message----- From: Alan Harris To: techlist(a)satproj.org.uk; suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 7/11/02 9:32 AM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Starting the revolution? Interesting article in the register :- Microsoft 'hoovers millions' from UK Schools - MP http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26124.html Follow up on http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/News/NewsStory.asp?Brand=EDPONLINE&Catego ry=NEWS&ItemId=NOED10+Jul+2002+00%3A28%3A57%3A447 Time to 'Inform' our MP's of just what is going on then? BTW: Anyone here concerned over SIMS 'upgrade to microsoft or else' type policy? I have a meeting with them tomorrow to discuss thier so called upgrade path - i'd value any comments you may have. Alan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SendMail Relays
by Chris Puttick 15 Jul '02

15 Jul '02

Seems odd - anyone who believes Linux is more stress than MS products has only considered the very short term. As a MS trained IT professional, Linux has been a revelation - available to work out of the box or customised to your needs. On the staffing side, I'll get blunter: knowing how to use MS at home, or even in a business context does not qualify or even prepare you for implementing MS solutions in a school environment. Believing that it does is the biggest source of problems for moving IT forwards in schools. Schools collectively need to accept that an ICT environment with 300+ PCs and 1200 users need to be supported by professionals and that those professionals will need to be paid 2 or 3 times what is currently offered. At these more realistic salaries, recruiting replacements will not be so difficult. Teachers (current company excepted) are not the right people to make IT decisions as they do not have the depth of knowledge required. IT management is not a part-time occupation, and your IT manager needs to be involved in school strategy for the best, most cost-effective and education-effective IT strategies. And don't get me wrong, this isn't personal; I'm one of the lucky ones :-) For compatibility problems elimination, see StarOffice 6. Not just because of its MS file read/write ability, but because you can supply copies to the pupils and staff! Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: Colin McQueen To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 7/14/02 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SendMail Relays In message <20020710164100.EJNR19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Ian Lynch <ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Tuesday 09 July 2002 21:36, you wrote: > > > This really needs to be done. Schools have got > > to see the benefits. I'm about to spend £10 000 on mickeysoft licences. > > Why? You can get round this largely with what we are doing. In East Hull CLC > we installed 120 wireless thin clients and saved about 30k in software ==20 > licensing and more in hardware and management time. The kids using it don't > seem at all bothered. Also we can manage their servers for them remotely so > its very inexpensive to get very expert support. My view is that if you have > say lots of Windows 95 machines and they run your curriculum software why > change? Very few apps are going to only run on XP so if it ain't broke why > fix it? If you use thin client to run your office, graphics, web etc software > from servers you then just upgrade your servers every few years and the whole > network is upgraded and the software for all that aspect is free and will > remain so. We can make your local Windows proof against hacking and viruses > at no extra cost. In the longer term as more develops you will be able to > dump local windows altogether because everything will go web based. > > > no choice I'm afraid. > > There's always a choice ;-) Well depends obviously on people above you. We > tend to deal with some innovative people who want to be at the cutting edge > and tend to be prepared to take what others see as a risk. But then the only > risk in business is to take no risk. I don't want to take risks with the limited amount of time we have for ICT in schools. To start running another system (we are just removing the last 3 RISC OS suites) instead of consolidating the system most people have will cause a drop in teaching efficiency for a while at least. It would lots of planning time to try and avoid this. I have too many inexperienced and insecure staff teaching the odd ICT lesson. if they have to cope with something too different to what they use at home they get too stressed. Now I have heard all the arguemts about compatability but on the ground there are still too many problems. We have a need for a pupil to be able to work at home or at any station in school and be able to transfer files about with as few problems as possible. I have worked for 15 years trying to get pupils and staff to understand the ways around filer transfers between different applications and platforms. Its is not something the majority of people have time for. you only end up annouing them because you don't give them the answer they need for a quick fix. "I don't want to understand - I just want it to work!" We have a thin client system. We have been at the forefront. We have struggled to cope, and to relieve the stress on Network Manager, technicains, staff and some pupils, we need consistency. Windows got its foot in because Linux wasn't ready for the desktop in schools. I'd love it to have been different. The most used application after Word in school is Powerpoint, simply because its easy and fun. I realise that the future is the web and MickeySoft's web output is awful for anything but MickeySoft infested clients. But what seems to be at the forefront of the NC in ICT is what the pupils do not what they understand. PowerPoint get's them doing and actually I have been amazed at the innovative work some of them have done. Can I tell the pupils that they can use this Linux box to do the same sort of stuff, so easily AND that it will work at home sp they can continue there? > > > But it should be about the last until we need to > > upgrade, We're reaching saturation with 1:5 computer to pupil ratio. > > With thin clients the upgrades are much cheaper so if you use a mixture you > can demote older machines to thin client and save enough to buy more thick > clients without killing the environment. We may well have done this but the governors came up with £90 000 grand. Coping with NT thin clients and W98 desktops making sure the policies for all the Office products match up on both platforms and work in the same way isn't exactly easy, for schools. > > On my model saturation isn't reached until 1:1 - its affordable and long term > sustainable and we can plan the space management needed. > I'd love to see the planning for space AND electrical power sockets, that doesn't invade some of our class rooms with noise and heat. Then you will also have to persuade our ISP to give us a bigger chunk of IP addreses for their Intranet. We've been given 508 and half of those are on the admin side of the router. > > Good luck. All I can do really is to remind the head and the bods at > > Hampshire that open source is out there. I'm afraid I can't change our > > school to it in any form for at least 3 years now. > > Well get a toe in the water because it doesn't have to be all one thing or > another and if you do change in 3 years, experience will make it a lot ==20 > easier. We've got experience but that may disappear. What happens when I or the Network Manager move on? And at the end of the day I just don't have enough time. My family need me and I'd rather spend more time on planning my lessons when it comes to work. I used to relish the technical stuff ... :( > We have a lot of interest, more than enough to keep us busy so its > best if everyone doesn't all decide to try and change at once from my point > of view. Its going to take years but I think that change is inevitable. Change is but few can predict what will happen ;-) -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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NT Vs Linux Vs Navaho (Was: SendMail relays)
by Colin McQueen 15 Jul '02

15 Jul '02

In message <20020710164100.EJNR19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Ian Lynch <ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Tuesday 09 July 2002 21:36, you wrote: <snip> > > What will be vital is the support. We use navaho for web/email and > > the support is second to none. > > Theoreticaly we are a reseller of the Navaho system, but in practice we can > implement far more comprehensive network management using vanilla Linux and > its less expensive to schools. <snip> Yes Vanill;a Linux is cheaper BUT the Navaho we use is not a Network Management solution, we use NT for that. Its a mail, web proxy and caledaring system with comprehensive monitoring. We don't use the the local filing system side. Vanilla Linux is never going to be as fast because of the single binary that is Navaho. An exciting new adjunct is a webfiler to re-export the users NT file area through a web front end. One of the problems I've found with Linux is the permissions. You **seem** to get far more control using NT permissions. But please tell **me I'm wrong because I'd love to be able to argue losing NT for filing. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SendMail Relays
by Colin McQueen 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

In message <20020710164100.EJNR19225.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Ian Lynch <ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Tuesday 09 July 2002 21:36, you wrote: > > > This really needs to be done. Schools have got > > to see the benefits. I'm about to spend £10 000 on mickeysoft licences. > > Why? You can get round this largely with what we are doing. In East Hull CLC > we installed 120 wireless thin clients and saved about 30k in software =20 > licensing and more in hardware and management time. The kids using it don't > seem at all bothered. Also we can manage their servers for them remotely so > its very inexpensive to get very expert support. My view is that if you have > say lots of Windows 95 machines and they run your curriculum software why > change? Very few apps are going to only run on XP so if it ain't broke why > fix it? If you use thin client to run your office, graphics, web etc software > from servers you then just upgrade your servers every few years and the whole > network is upgraded and the software for all that aspect is free and will > remain so. We can make your local Windows proof against hacking and viruses > at no extra cost. In the longer term as more develops you will be able to > dump local windows altogether because everything will go web based. > > > no choice I'm afraid. > > There's always a choice ;-) Well depends obviously on people above you. We > tend to deal with some innovative people who want to be at the cutting edge > and tend to be prepared to take what others see as a risk. But then the only > risk in business is to take no risk. I don't want to take risks with the limited amount of time we have for ICT in schools. To start running another system (we are just removing the last 3 RISC OS suites) instead of consolidating the system most people have will cause a drop in teaching efficiency for a while at least. It would lots of planning time to try and avoid this. I have too many inexperienced and insecure staff teaching the odd ICT lesson. if they have to cope with something too different to what they use at home they get too stressed. Now I have heard all the arguemts about compatability but on the ground there are still too many problems. We have a need for a pupil to be able to work at home or at any station in school and be able to transfer files about with as few problems as possible. I have worked for 15 years trying to get pupils and staff to understand the ways around filer transfers between different applications and platforms. Its is not something the majority of people have time for. you only end up annouing them because you don't give them the answer they need for a quick fix. "I don't want to understand - I just want it to work!" We have a thin client system. We have been at the forefront. We have struggled to cope, and to relieve the stress on Network Manager, technicains, staff and some pupils, we need consistency. Windows got its foot in because Linux wasn't ready for the desktop in schools. I'd love it to have been different. The most used application after Word in school is Powerpoint, simply because its easy and fun. I realise that the future is the web and MickeySoft's web output is awful for anything but MickeySoft infested clients. But what seems to be at the forefront of the NC in ICT is what the pupils do not what they understand. PowerPoint get's them doing and actually I have been amazed at the innovative work some of them have done. Can I tell the pupils that they can use this Linux box to do the same sort of stuff, so easily AND that it will work at home sp they can continue there? > > > But it should be about the last until we need to > > upgrade, We're reaching saturation with 1:5 computer to pupil ratio. > > With thin clients the upgrades are much cheaper so if you use a mixture you > can demote older machines to thin client and save enough to buy more thick > clients without killing the environment. We may well have done this but the governors came up with £90 000 grand. Coping with NT thin clients and W98 desktops making sure the policies for all the Office products match up on both platforms and work in the same way isn't exactly easy, for schools. > > On my model saturation isn't reached until 1:1 - its affordable and long term > sustainable and we can plan the space management needed. > I'd love to see the planning for space AND electrical power sockets, that doesn't invade some of our class rooms with noise and heat. Then you will also have to persuade our ISP to give us a bigger chunk of IP addreses for their Intranet. We've been given 508 and half of those are on the admin side of the router. > > Good luck. All I can do really is to remind the head and the bods at > > Hampshire that open source is out there. I'm afraid I can't change our > > school to it in any form for at least 3 years now. > > Well get a toe in the water because it doesn't have to be all one thing or > another and if you do change in 3 years, experience will make it a lot =20 > easier. We've got experience but that may disappear. What happens when I or the Network Manager move on? And at the end of the day I just don't have enough time. My family need me and I'd rather spend more time on planning my lessons when it comes to work. I used to relish the technical stuff ... :( > We have a lot of interest, more than enough to keep us busy so its > best if everyone doesn't all decide to try and change at once from my point > of view. Its going to take years but I think that change is inevitable. Change is but few can predict what will happen ;-) -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T

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Fw: ADSL in schools
by ChrisH 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

FYI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Shoesmith" <Paul.Shoesmith(a)bgfl.org> To: <naacetalk(a)rmplc.co.uk> Cc: "Hagger-Vaughan, Nigel " <nhaggervaughan(a)worcestershire.gov.uk> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Re: ADSL in schools > >A number of our schools are looking into changing from ISDN to > ADSL comms to > >provide their Internet feeds. I am interested to find out which > other > >authorities are supporting schools using ADSL as a (possibly) > lower cost > >alternative to ISDN. > > In Birmingham we have just installed the first ADSL services into > some of our schools. We have a BT "central pipe" coming in to our > network so that our usual services including filtering, web > hosting, domain name registration, e-mail, high speed cacheing > services, media streaming etc apply to school connections, and we > are as in control of the contention as it is possible to be with > ADSL. 512Kbps ADSL at 20:1 contention works out at a similar > price to our schools as an ISDN/2 Schools Internet Caller line > (but is 24/7 rather than 8am to 6pm Monday to Friday). However, > we are recommending that schools take the faster services (where > available) and use the 2Mbps 20:1 service. We also offer > the "home" service (512Kbps at 50:1) for individuals or very small > sites where access speed is less of an issue. > > I can provide more details if required - anyone interested is > welcome to e-mail me for more information. > > Paul > -- > Paul Shoesmith > BGfL Programme Manager > Birmingham Education Service > http://www.bgfl.org/bgfl > > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster(a)bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > >

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Starting the revolution?
by Chris Puttick 12 Jul '02

12 Jul '02

I very glad you asked, Ian :-) The electronic registration module survived live teacher tests with no technical problems whatsoever (a few misspelt names, couple of people being assigned the wrong role in the DB security - all administrative stuff). It is definitively being used from September in the initiating school, along with the ICT Helpdesk module (currently in beta) and the effort check system (currently in alpha awaiting interface input from teaching staff). We're still struggling to find funding for the core developers, but we're persevering in that. We have interest from some other schools, who are being asked for a £3k one-off contribution towards developer costs including first year's support and implementation. If proper funding is secured (LEA/DfES/educational trust), then £2k of that money will be refunded. If anybody's got any schools that would be interested, we're establishing a network of education-focused companies willing to provide support (currently the North is fairly well covered but we've got nothing south of London - my personal belief is that after implementation most support requests will be happily handled remotely, but schools are harder to convince). Regards Chris PS Screenshots will be up on the Hobarte site by the end of next week, using the soon to be released bluegrey content management system -----Original Message----- From: Ian Lynch To: Chris Puttick; 'suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com' Sent: 7/11/02 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Starting the revolution? On Thursday 11 July 2002 11:40, Chris Puttick wrote: > Is anyone out there seriously considering the alternatives? <snip> What's happening with free software alternatives to SIMS, Chris? -- Ian

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[suse-linux-uk-schools] Starting the revolution?
by Damian Counsell 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

Alan Harris wrote: > Interesting article in the register :- > > Microsoft 'hoovers millions' from UK Schools - MP > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26124.html > > Follow up on > http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/News/NewsStory.asp?Brand=EDPONLINE&Category=… > > > Time to 'Inform' our MP's of just what is going on then? I've been on the phone with Blizzard's researcher today. It seems someone at one school mentioned this issue to him and his assistants investigated a little. They soon discovered that "the problem was a lot wider than [they] had realised" and then Blizzard decided to ask his question in the House. Since then he's had "a lot of emails and phone calls" about the issue. She said that they were now collecting information from these messages---more than one person mentioned as an alternative something called "Linus"... By the way, if you visit his Website: http://www.bobblizzardmp.co.uk/ and click on the "Links" link, you get this error: <%@LANGUAGE="VBSCRIPT"%> <% Dim rs SET rs = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset") rs.Open "SELECT * FROM press ORDER BY ID DESC;", objConn %> at the top of the page. Perhaps he should switch to an "Apacho" Web server? -- Damian COUNSELL http://www.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk/~dcounsel/

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Starting the revolution?
by Damian Counsell 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

>> >>find out what they offer. I can't really see any reason why companies tie >>themselves to Windows unnecessarily. Capita could just as easily have used > >They are a "Microsoft Partner" whatever that means. In contemporary relationship-speak, your "partner" is someone you might be in bed with---or someone who regularly scr*ws you. Take your pick. -- Damian COUNSELL http://www.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk/~dcounsel/

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Starting the revolution?
by Alan Harris 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

Interesting article in the register :- Microsoft 'hoovers millions' from UK Schools - MP http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26124.html Follow up on http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/News/NewsStory.asp?Brand=EDPONLINE&Category=… Time to 'Inform' our MP's of just what is going on then? BTW: Anyone here concerned over SIMS 'upgrade to microsoft or else' type policy? I have a meeting with them tomorrow to discuss thier so called upgrade path - i'd value any comments you may have. Alan

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gzonked
by ptaylor 11 Jul '02

11 Jul '02

Hi all: 2 questions for the price of one. 1. I have a file called *.cpio.gz and it refuses to open with any command (tar -xzvf et al, gunzip etc) and claims it is not a gzip file? Any other commands? 2. My sound card has recently developed a 10Hz (guess) chesty cough. Every minute or so it emits a rasping tone as if it is picking up some clock cycle from the PC. The machine is dual boot and does not do this in the hated doze? I have reinstalled the sound driver to no avail. Anyone else had a similar thing? Paul

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] SendMail Relays
by Colin McQueen 09 Jul '02

09 Jul '02

Hi Ian In message <20020707073610.SRTY23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Ian Lynch <ian.lynch2(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > Actually our County LEA (Hampshire) are scoping a project to produce a > > complete learning system to try and incorporate everything from SIMS (or > > similar) integration and online courses, class setting management and > > learning system management. They have someone looking into lots of the > > standards to help with this including AFAICR XML, SOAP, eGIF (??) etc.. > > I remember it was said that a browser interface was going to be > > definite, which makes me think they are after using open standards. > > Can't remember the guys name but I think he was the author of PenDown? > > for the RISC OS platform. I think their intention is to put together a > > specification andthen put it out to tender. It may involve working with > > other authorities and could well lead to something quite big? > > > > The reason I mention this is because there was discussion here of a > > possible open system to challenge SIMS and there may be some people > > who'd like to keep their eyes open for this. As far as I am aware there > > is no online material to look at as yet. > > Colin, > > I'm currently supporting ICT strategy with Southampton LEA on 3 PFI schools > and we now have several sites including a CLC with substantial desktop Linux > installations. We have developed web based electronic registration and plan > to develop a complete environment ourselves based on free software, it will > just take time because we try and develop a new application off the back of > each major installation so that the next ones gets more free applications. > Usually the savings in software licences are sufficient to generate the next > application which makes a lot more sense than paying for licences for ever. > We can also get a high degree of integration between existing windows systems > and Linux. We are about to do a primary school in Portsmouth, waiting for > building work to be completed. I would be interested to know more about the > Hampshire proposals. Is Martyn Wilson still the IT adviser? Yes he is but its David Woodward head of IT for Hampshire that is driving this forward. Having looked back at the scoping document its leaning more towards the curriculum delivery buts it does need to take over school management really. The organisation doing the scoping is SOCITM http://www.socitm.gov.uk/ and the author is Peter hunter see http://www.socitm.gov.uk/public/consulting/whoweare.asp I had a contact from someone up in Manchester regarding this who is involved in a school management system based on open source. Is this the same open source project, can't recall the name - he said it wasn't exactly memorable ;-). This really needs to be done. Schools have got to see the benefits. I'm about to spend £10 000 on mickeysoft licences. no choice I'm afraid. But it should be about the last until we need to upgrade, We're reaching saturation with 1:5 computer to pupil ratio. Good luck. All I can do really is to remind the head and the bods at Hampshire that open source is out there. I'm afraid I can't change our school to it in any form for at least 3 years now. What will be vital is the support. We use navaho for web/email and the support is second to none. The support for SIMS is terrible in comparison. I suppose some of it is just numbers and size but I bet a lot of it is that SIMS + Windows is so buggy and cludgy. -- Colin McQueen : Using an Acorn StrongARM Risc PC Web Domain : http://www.mcqueen.uk.net/ BSc Zoology + Oceanography : PGCE : MSc in CBL/T

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Fw: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL
by ChrisH 09 Jul '02

09 Jul '02

----- Original Message ----- From: "ChrisH" <chris(a)thing-e.co.uk> To: "Miles Berry" <mberry(a)st-ives.surrey.sch.uk> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL > Shouldnt have any problem in the upgrade to ADSL (apart from the 'normal' > logistics problems of the provider...both ISDN and ADSL use the same twisted > copper pair, both have same distance limitations (3.5km from the exchange > (due to line resistance)) and use the same base technology. > You dont have a choice of ISP....you have to take the one associated with > your ADSL provision as the ADSL is also the IP service. > > I assume that you are taking the business ADSL or non-domestic - otherwise > you are limited to the number of terminals and IP addresses.... > ADSL services generally have a high contention ratio (50:1 on domestic, 20:1 > on business services)..but in these times of low utilisation that wont be a > problem....if the service becomes heavily used though it could be. > > rgds > > > Original Message ----- > From: "Miles Berry" <mberry(a)st-ives.surrey.sch.uk> > To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 8:15 PM > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL > > > > We're looking to upgrade our Internet connection from ISDN to ADSL. I'd be > > very grateful for any advice on Linux friendly providers, plus pointers to > > any pitfalls to watch out for etc. We do our own filtering through Squid > (on > > SuSE 8) so don't _have_ to go with one of the dedicated education ISPs. > I've > > also heard that we might need a new line installed as there have been > > problems reported in the ISDN to ADSL upgrade; does this sound plausible? > > Thanks in anticipation, > > Miles Berry > > Deputy Head > > St Ives School, Haslemere. > > www.st-ives.surrey.sch.uk > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > > > > >

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL
by Chris Puttick 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Is Surrey not providing an NGfL solution? Another LEA having problems dealing with large technical projects? Try Easynet (a local company to you I believe) - they do a range of products, which seem reasonably priced and filtering is an option, rather than a requirement. I don't know how many IP numbers you get though. Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: Miles Berry To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 7/6/02 8:15 PM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ADSL We're looking to upgrade our Internet connection from ISDN to ADSL. I'd be very grateful for any advice on Linux friendly providers, plus pointers to any pitfalls to watch out for etc. We do our own filtering through Squid (on SuSE 8) so don't _have_ to go with one of the dedicated education ISPs. I've also heard that we might need a new line installed as there have been problems reported in the ISDN to ADSL upgrade; does this sound plausible? Thanks in anticipation, Miles Berry Deputy Head St Ives School, Haslemere. www.st-ives.surrey.sch.uk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Remote X sessions
by Rob Keeling 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Can someone tell me what I have done wrong..... We have a number of machines running Suse 7.3, some of which I can connect to remotely with cygwin (the fen systems version) and some I can`t! We are trying to set up a LTSP system. I have edited /etc/hosts.allow and the XDM-config file, but I get a error in Cygwin that security failed. I have missed changeing something but can`t think what. Can anyone point me to the right answer? Thanks in advance. Rob Keeling Network Manager Queen Elizabeth`s Grammar School Ashbourne

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ADSL
by Miles Berry 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

We're looking to upgrade our Internet connection from ISDN to ADSL. I'd be very grateful for any advice on Linux friendly providers, plus pointers to any pitfalls to watch out for etc. We do our own filtering through Squid (on SuSE 8) so don't _have_ to go with one of the dedicated education ISPs. I've also heard that we might need a new line installed as there have been problems reported in the ISDN to ADSL upgrade; does this sound plausible? Thanks in anticipation, Miles Berry Deputy Head St Ives School, Haslemere. www.st-ives.surrey.sch.uk

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A "Locked in" future?
by Alan Harris 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

Here's a disturbing bit of news :- TCPA / Palladium Frequently Asked Questions http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html What do you think - MS to rule the world? Alan ----------------------------------------------------- Alan Harris Network Manager Bryngwyn School Tel : 01554 750661 Fax : 01554 758255 E-mail: alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk ----------------------------------------------------- Notes: 1. The contents of this email may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown purposes! Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. 2. The opinions expressed in this email are personal and may not be shared by Bryngwyn School. -----------------------------------------------------

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Woops..
by Chris Puttick 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

Slight mistake - the it-help list is called tech-help, which means to subscribe email tech-help-request(a)lists.centralmanclc.com. I wouldn't mind the mistake,but it's my list (server). How embarrassing... Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Puttick To: 'suneil(a)futureprogress.com' Cc: 'suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com' Sent: 7/3/02 10:31 AM Subject: RE: [school-discuss] Re: London School asking for help Hi Suneil I'm not in London, however I would like to help where I can. You should also find it useful to join these mailing lists: suse-linux-uk-schools - this is very Linux focused, although not purely SuSE Linux, and has a number of people on it that are experts in thin client technology (terminal server equivalence). To subscribe, send a blank email to suse-linux-uk-schools-subscribe(a)suse.com it-help - this is a new list for peer support for IT people in schools and related organisations in the UK. It does not have a specific Linux focus, but may be useful for more general ICT issues for yourself and any technical staff in your school. To subscribe, send an email with the subject <subscribe> to it-help-request(a)lists.centralmanclc.com Regards Chris Puttick IT Manager Central Manchester City Learning Centre +44 (0)161 212 1972/70 -----Original Message----- From: Doug Loss To: Suneil Basu; schoolforge-discuss(a)schoolforge.net Sent: 7/2/02 8:16 PM Subject: [school-discuss] Re: London School asking for help I'm sending this message on to the schoolforge-discuss mailing list. We have subscribers from all around the world, which of course includes the UK. I fully expect that you'll receive many suggestions on how to proceed. In the meantime, here are the websites of some Linux user groups (LUGs) in London: http://www.eastlondon.lug.org.uk/ http://www.lonix.org.uk/tnet-cgi/Lonix http://gllug.linux.co.uk/ http://www.sl.lug.org.uk/ LUGs are often great resources for getting assistance with installing and maintaining open source/free software. Suneil Basu <suneil(a)futureprogress.com> wrote: > Hi Schoolforge > I am the Head of an ICT Department in a Catholic School in London (St > Mark's Catholic School). > I would like to use more open source software. I would like to take > windows off all the client machines the students use (over 200 PCs) and > run OpenOffice, but can you advive how I could incorporate some windows > applications into the solution? Are the ways of making the machine > easily dual boot? We were thinking about terminal server technology > > Is there a GNU/Linux educational consultancy we could talk to? > > My name is Suneil Basu -- How valuable is my contribution? Share your feedback at Affero: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=drloss Doug Loss All I want is a warm bed Data Network Coordinator and a kind word and Bloomsburg University unlimited power. dloss(a)bloomu.edu Ashleigh Brilliant

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RE: [school-discuss] Re: London School asking for help
by Chris Puttick 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

Hi Suneil I'm not in London, however I would like to help where I can. You should also find it useful to join these mailing lists: suse-linux-uk-schools - this is very Linux focused, although not purely SuSE Linux, and has a number of people on it that are experts in thin client technology (terminal server equivalence). To subscribe, send a blank email to suse-linux-uk-schools-subscribe(a)suse.com it-help - this is a new list for peer support for IT people in schools and related organisations in the UK. It does not have a specific Linux focus, but may be useful for more general ICT issues for yourself and any technical staff in your school. To subscribe, send an email with the subject <subscribe> to it-help-request(a)lists.centralmanclc.com Regards Chris Puttick IT Manager Central Manchester City Learning Centre +44 (0)161 212 1972/70 -----Original Message----- From: Doug Loss To: Suneil Basu; schoolforge-discuss(a)schoolforge.net Sent: 7/2/02 8:16 PM Subject: [school-discuss] Re: London School asking for help I'm sending this message on to the schoolforge-discuss mailing list. We have subscribers from all around the world, which of course includes the UK. I fully expect that you'll receive many suggestions on how to proceed. In the meantime, here are the websites of some Linux user groups (LUGs) in London: http://www.eastlondon.lug.org.uk/ http://www.lonix.org.uk/tnet-cgi/Lonix http://gllug.linux.co.uk/ http://www.sl.lug.org.uk/ LUGs are often great resources for getting assistance with installing and maintaining open source/free software. Suneil Basu <suneil(a)futureprogress.com> wrote: > Hi Schoolforge > I am the Head of an ICT Department in a Catholic School in London (St > Mark's Catholic School). > I would like to use more open source software. I would like to take > windows off all the client machines the students use (over 200 PCs) and > run OpenOffice, but can you advive how I could incorporate some windows > applications into the solution? Are the ways of making the machine > easily dual boot? We were thinking about terminal server technology > > Is there a GNU/Linux educational consultancy we could talk to? > > My name is Suneil Basu -- How valuable is my contribution? Share your feedback at Affero: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=drloss Doug Loss All I want is a warm bed Data Network Coordinator and a kind word and Bloomsburg University unlimited power. dloss(a)bloomu.edu Ashleigh Brilliant

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FW: Multiple local XFree users under Linux
by Chris Puttick 02 Jul '02

02 Jul '02

Anyone want to try this out? -----Original Message----- From: Michael Shigorin To: seul-edu(a)seul.org Sent: 7/2/02 11:34 AM Subject: [seul-edu] Re: Multiple local XFree users under Linux On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 11:23:08AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > Shakey but working. 4 screens per LTSP PC, anyone? It is known that in Moscow State Technical University the solution employing 3 K/V/M seats per PC is implemented and widely used, caled "Gorynych" (local brand of 3-way dragon, you know ;-) Details (in Russian) are here: http://www.computerra.ru/offline/2001/411/12510/ http://www.ctc.msiu.ru/zg/ You could translate to English via Babelfish: http://babelfish.altavista.com/urltrurl?lp=ru_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ct c.msiu.ru%2Fzg%2F PS: I've joined LTSP.ru project, though will not be able to take significant part for some time awhile. But we (netstyle.com.ua) are interested in providing terminal solutions, so I really hope to cope with all that and share the joy (if any) :-) -- ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mike(a)altlinux.ru> ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/

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diald
by Dave Williams 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Hi all Another query along the lines of - it all worked in 7.3 but it doesn't in 8.0 I'm using Suse 8.0 as an intranet server with squid and apache. wvdial works fine and I can connect and surf at will. However, when I use diald it dies as soon as it connects ie it dials out on demand but exits once its dialled. I've edited diald.conf to point at wvdial. I've looked at /var/log/messages but nothing seems to point at the fault. Any ideas? Dave Williams

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