February 2002 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: Microsoft Stole my Mother....
by Paul Munro 13 Feb '02

13 Feb '02

I recently emailed M$ regarding their "student license" packs because we wanted to get Windows XP Home/Professional for our son using this scheme (you can currently get Windows 2000 Pro for 44.00GBP). I got a reply yesterday that said, in essence, "We will NEVER be offering Windows XP Home/Professional on student license; the only product we will be offering on that scheme now is Office XP Standard". I said "OK" BUT what about Access???? You don't get Access in the Standard Edition and that's what a lot of students need Office for isn't it? They haven't replied yet..it seems my reply has been passed further up the food chain :-) Well- Mandrake 8.1 and StarOffice would be fine anyway...we just thought about XP because he uses it at school and has special needs--so some familiarity with the interface etc would have "helped" a little. Paul

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Printing a large bitmapped image onto multiple sheets of A4....
by Simon Wood 13 Feb '02

13 Feb '02

Hi, I've got a large bitmapped image (a GIF map) and I'd like to print it out onto lots of sheets of A4, which I will then stick together to produce a single large sheet. Has anyone got any suggestions of how I can achieve this? Preferably with a system that allows for the non-printable areas of a page, etc. I currently use CUPS as my printer daemon and I'm running Debian Woody, Simon Wood

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Microsoft stole my mother (was StarOf fice)
by Grainge, Derek 13 Feb '02

13 Feb '02

> > I have heard people say to me "I know load of people who > actually like XP" > but I've not met any first hand. > They will be the ones who bought new machines and didn't get a choice :-) -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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May be of interest
by Jonathan Bacon 13 Feb '02

13 Feb '02

Hi all, This thread on KDE::Enterprise may be of interest: http://enterprise.kde.org/forum/z_forummessage_show.php?method=showhtmll ist&class=forummessage&rollid=16%2C38&fromclass=forum&frommethod=showhtm llist&fromscriptname=forum.php&x=3c6a343e988a9& I am sure someone can share some advice to this person. :) Jono

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Microsoft stole my mother (was StarOffice)
by Edgehill e-mail service 13 Feb '02

13 Feb '02

---------- > From: Grainge, Derek <DGG(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk> > To: 'Damian Counsell' <linux(a)counsell.com>; suse-linux-uk-schools <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Microsoft stole my mother (was StarOffice) > Date: 12 February 2002 12:28 > > > MS Office with all the components (I think the > > market-speak is > > "Office Pro") is at least 200UKP, more usually 250UKP, when > > bought with > > a new machine. This is, of course, a rip-off. > > > > What do we do (legally) to avoid paying this obscene sum? > > It seems that it's impossible to get Office Pro through ANY educational > discount scheme at the moment. Microsoft's UK education people know about > this, they know that UK schools run courses which require it (which begs > another question...) and they are arguing with their bosses back in the > States. Apparently this was a Redmond decision applied worldwide - plainly > American students don't need to use Access at all :-) I have to confirm that this is so - we have a few transatlantic students, and they say that they have to use Excel with forms & modules, using vast, flat tables as relational databases. And before anyone argues, yes you can, yes it does work, yes there are serious limitations for /real/ applications, but its good enough for the course. > > It's a shambles, just like XP registration is proving a shambles, and is > going to drive people away from Microsoft - and therefore in the right > direction. One of our pupils has a new laptop. Win XP. After three days it locked out (because of the plugging & unplugging of PCMIA modem) - he came in and picked up a copy of Win 98 SE, and has downgrades already! > > One possibility would be to import Office Pro SL from America. Probably > cheaper than the UK version, and finding a retailer to sell it in the UK is > almost impossible, even if you don't mind being ripped off. > > > -- > **************************************************************************** **** > All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission > of unacceptable material. > Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. > Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. > Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk > **************************************************************************** **** > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com > >

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Microsoft stole my mother (was StarOf fice)
by Grainge, Derek 13 Feb '02

13 Feb '02

> I have to confirm that this is so - we have a few > transatlantic students, > and they say that they have to use Excel with forms & > modules, using vast, > flat tables as relational databases. And before anyone > argues, yes you can, > yes it does work, yes there are serious limitations for /real/ > applications, but its good enough for the course. > I teach As/A2 ICT, and Computing. I teach students about ER diagrams and data definition tables; I think I need a *real* relational database to do that efficiently. Exam boards set work which involves creating forms and subforms. There is NO WAY I would ask students to use EXcel for this sort of stuff. Yes, anything is possible if you're prepared to try hard enough, but there's usually a 'sensible' way of doing it, and that's not Excel. I think I'd rather revive my licance for an old DOS-based Paradox than move to Excel. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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K12LTSP...
by Matt Johnson 12 Feb '02

12 Feb '02

Folks, I'm sure you all know, but K12LTSP 2 came out recently (www.k12ltsp.org) My NTL Cable connection at home has gone down (grrr - have you tried to get through to their tech support? - grrr), but when it returns, I'll be giving it a thorough testing. (I would download it at school, but Hertforshire's 'thegrid' doesn't let ftp through by default. You have to ring up for each site you want to enable (!). That's somewhat of a pain in the arse.) Anyhoo, enjoy! -- Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Microsoft stole my mother (was StarOf fice)
by Grainge, Derek 12 Feb '02

12 Feb '02

> MS Office with all the components (I think the > market-speak is > "Office Pro") is at least 200UKP, more usually 250UKP, when > bought with > a new machine. This is, of course, a rip-off. > > What do we do (legally) to avoid paying this obscene sum? It seems that it's impossible to get Office Pro through ANY educational discount scheme at the moment. Microsoft's UK education people know about this, they know that UK schools run courses which require it (which begs another question...) and they are arguing with their bosses back in the States. Apparently this was a Redmond decision applied worldwide - plainly American students don't need to use Access at all :-) It's a shambles, just like XP registration is proving a shambles, and is going to drive people away from Microsoft - and therefore in the right direction. One possibility would be to import Office Pro SL from America. Probably cheaper than the UK version, and finding a retailer to sell it in the UK is almost impossible, even if you don't mind being ripped off. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk ********************************************************************************

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StarOffice v's Microsoft (and Sun)
by Malcolm Herbert 12 Feb '02

12 Feb '02

following on from the earlier posting, also at the NAACE event last week there took place a discussion between DfES, Becta, NAACE and Microsoft on the subject of license costs... this was not a public meeting, but i think its the start of discussions on licensing costs since Campus and _hopefully_ not a nationally negiotiated agreement. Despite any misgivings we have with StarOffice (costs etc) it presents the best alternative for schools for any M$ solution currently and should be supported (eeekk what i am saying), and since Sun have now become a Linux company... http://www.sun.com/2002-0206/linux it can't be a bad thing Malcolm -- -------------------------------------- Malcolm Herbert Red Hat Europe t: +44 1483 734955 m: +44 7720 079845 --------------------------------------

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: StarOffice
by Jonathan Bacon 12 Feb '02

12 Feb '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Munro [mailto:paul.munro1@btinternet.com] > Yep- if that's the site pricing for StarOffice 6.0 then I > probably know a > couple of sites that would take that up immediately. It is so stupid this concept that people have that free is bad - and I think the only thing that will quash it is case studies that prove that a technology that is free can be useful. I have been developing the enterprise.kde.org site and provided a mechanism for people to add business case studies of how they use KDE - I think I will extend this to have case studies database for schools and other educational facilities that use KDE. Eventually this stupid misconception about free == sh*t should be dust when people can see others making good use of free software. Non the less, this site licence for StarOffice is a good start for those who wish to begin a migration path to Linux. Each step is a step in the right direction. :) Jono

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