October 2001 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Cygwin
by Alan Davies 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

OK I installed Cywin on a PC (Win2000) - and I installed the XFree86 and..... it works! Well - up to point anyhow. I can't persuade the local 'X' environment to accept connections from our Linux Box - or at least, not except for a round about route. Clearly I don't understand something. I start up Cygwin and do XWin and hey presto up pops an X window. I can connect locally to this in that I can run twm locally and within it I can run local apps like xeyes, xcalc, etc which are supplied with the Cygwin environment. However if I try xhost <linux IP box address> or even xhost + which I thought would allow all X connections it replies that it cannot open "". What does "" refer to and where should it be set? I also tried a Win98 installation but it cannot open/find the font "default" which seems rather strange. Anyone able to point me in the right direction? -- Alan Davies Head of Computing Birkenhead School

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Printing under Linux
by Paul Sutton 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

Anyone interested in setting up printing or a print server under Linux the following site looks interesting you can also check out the current ed of Linux magazine for more info on Turbo print. http://www.turboprint.de/ This is not free software, well you can down load a copy but it puts their logo on the printout, free for personal use, however the price is reasonable, and will help with further development, not sure if there are special deals for education.

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Print server?
by Dave Williams 21 Oct '01

21 Oct '01

Hi all I want to replace about 5 W95 machines which act as print servers to rooms of mixed clients (Acorn/Windows). I want the Linux replacements to provide the same services (without the instability) ie. to show the print jobs in the queue and allow the cancellation of print jobs by simple means. I'm assuming the clients will connect via Samba. Any suggestions? Dave Williams

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Health Service MS deal
by Ian Lynch 20 Oct '01

20 Oct '01

On radio 4 last night I caught a brief announcement that the Government are doing a block deal with MS of licenses for the NHS for 70m (per year?). If this is the case and they start doing this in the rest of the public sector, it will kill all competition because to the users in the service the software is then effectively free. Under EU law, deals bigger than 150k gbp have to be tendered properly and advertised in the EU journal. If this did not occur, the Government are breaking the law. If the argument is that there is only one reasonable source of supply, they are then dealing with an unregulated monopoly. If you believe as I do that this is anti-competitive practice and effectively forms a cartel between the Government and Microsoft, contact the office of fair trading. The E-mail address is enquiries.competitionact(a)oft.gov.uk Incidentally the Governement probably aren't aware that they are paying Microsoft more for their annual license for the NHS than Sun paid for the whole of Star Corp. -- IanL

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Laptops for all / half term
by Edgehill e-mail service 19 Oct '01

19 Oct '01

Just to let anyone wanting the report (or an e-mail argument on the benefits of e-Education) ... I'm being allowed out for half-term, so I won't be able to reply for the next week, but I'll answer as soon as I get back. Regards, Paul Ellison ICT Manager Edgehill College Bideford -------------------------------------------------------------- Legal Advisory: Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. --------------------------------------------- You are warned that all electronic communications are subject to interception for regulatory, quality control and crime detection purposes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edgehill IT Department Email Service. Please check sender's address from body of Message for return address. Find us at: www.edgecoll.clara.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all
by Edgehill e-mail service 19 Oct '01

19 Oct '01

Not wireless - we don't accept the viability of wireless LAN in our environment yet - the technology is uncertain in our building complex, mainly due to architectire. (Darned new-fangled inventions, anyway, what's wrong with a good-ol' semaphor LAN? ;) Seriously, we are currently looking at conventional hub/router wired LAN over CAT5 tp. The technology is reliable, well understood and stable, and allows partially wired sections of the school to exist (much of our power circuit is too ancient to support much in the way of load without rewiring). It also ensures that covert use can be checked. Full network implementation would only (initially) cover the science labs, Humanities (new building), the library and the staff-room. The remainder of the school would only have a limited number of network (and power) outlets per room. Regards, Paul ---------- > From: Chris Puttick <chris(a)centralmanclc.com> > To: 'Edgehill e-mail service ' <edgehillit(a)edgecoll.clara.net> > Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all > Date: 19 October 2001 11:21 > Leaving you with just the wireless lan to implement... -----Original Message----- From: Edgehill e-mail service To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 10/19/01 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all GCSE and 6th form only - about 100-150 pupils and 50 staff - we were looking at about 20 spares (using the 10% rule & given the usual turn-around on repairs) - and possibly hot spares for HDD and display. The lossage through theft/damage was the main sticking point, and was the reason for not going with leased systems - staff/parental insurance would cover systems owned outright more reliably than most leasing companies who are geared for business users, not students! The question is, however, becoming academic (pun intended), since many of our students are acquiring laptops of their own. Almost all of our boarders have brought computers with them from home. ---------- From: Chris Puttick <chris(a)centralmanclc.com> To: 'Edgehill e-mail service ' <edgehillit(a)edgecoll.clara.net> Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all Date: 18 October 2001 10:42 To give you some figures, we had 5 spares to cover 80 teacher laptops. This was at the end of June. We currently have none. 1 was assigned to a member of staff not originally intended to have a laptop (the chaplain...), 1 was stolen, 2 have suffered impact damage to the screens and 1 is with the repair company. How many students would it be? -----Original Message----- From: Edgehill e-mail service To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 10/18/01 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all This was our predicted nightmare - I think that the Head and I were agreed on 4x2 clue sticks (with optional nails) for general support issues <wry grin> Our idea was to have a small stock of hot spares, and to negotiate a central service contract for the hardware. By restricting the range of systems used, it would be possible to simply ghost an OS onto machines with a user-installation problem, and to loan a machine against physical damage. Pupils' systems would probably be locked down to prevent installation of unacceptable software, and to restrict tinkering with vital system settings. (Our network systems restore the system settings at every log-on, so probably something similar.) Regards, Paul (I have replied offlist with a copy of the report). ---------- From: Chris Puttick <chris(a)centralmanclc.com> To: 'Edgehill e-mail service ' <edgehillit(a)edgecoll.clara.net> Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all Date: 17 October 2001 15:35 I'd be very interested - we've just rolled out laptops to all the staff and it is an absolute nightmare to support. How would you deal with supporting students? -----Original Message----- From: Edgehill e-mail service To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 10/17/01 9:12 AM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all The bottom line: I came down firmly on the side of "Great idea, But..." There are a number of issues to be dealt with when (if) the project goes ahead, but planning over a year ahead is vital. A straw-poll of a few interested parents and suppliers suggested that leased systems were the less popular option, and wholly-owned by the pupils was the best option. If anyone wants to see a copy of the report (typos and all), please request offlist. I can send as: Winword'97; RTF; (broken) HTML. Regards, Paul Ellison <SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net> ---------- > From: Terry Cefai <terryc(a)stjamesthegreat.org> > To: SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net > Subject: laptops for all > Date: 15 October 2001 17:05 > > Back in February you were asking for info re: laptops for all either wholy > owned or leased in order to present a paper to yur Head............how did > it go? > any interesting responses you could forward?? > > Terry > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all
by Edgehill e-mail service 19 Oct '01

19 Oct '01

GCSE and 6th form only - about 100-150 pupils and 50 staff - we were looking at about 20 spares (using the 10% rule & given the usual turn-around on repairs) - and possibly hot spares for HDD and display. The lossage through theft/damage was the main sticking point, and was the reason for not going with leased systems - staff/parental insurance would cover systems owned outright more reliably than most leasing companies who are geared for business users, not students! The question is, however, becoming academic (pun intended), since many of our students are acquiring laptops of their own. Almost all of our boarders have brought computers with them from home. ---------- From: Chris Puttick <chris(a)centralmanclc.com> To: 'Edgehill e-mail service ' <edgehillit(a)edgecoll.clara.net> Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all Date: 18 October 2001 10:42 To give you some figures, we had 5 spares to cover 80 teacher laptops. This was at the end of June. We currently have none. 1 was assigned to a member of staff not originally intended to have a laptop (the chaplain...), 1 was stolen, 2 have suffered impact damage to the screens and 1 is with the repair company. How many students would it be? -----Original Message----- From: Edgehill e-mail service To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 10/18/01 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all This was our predicted nightmare - I think that the Head and I were agreed on 4x2 clue sticks (with optional nails) for general support issues <wry grin> Our idea was to have a small stock of hot spares, and to negotiate a central service contract for the hardware. By restricting the range of systems used, it would be possible to simply ghost an OS onto machines with a user-installation problem, and to loan a machine against physical damage. Pupils' systems would probably be locked down to prevent installation of unacceptable software, and to restrict tinkering with vital system settings. (Our network systems restore the system settings at every log-on, so probably something similar.) Regards, Paul (I have replied offlist with a copy of the report). ---------- From: Chris Puttick <chris(a)centralmanclc.com> To: 'Edgehill e-mail service ' <edgehillit(a)edgecoll.clara.net> Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all Date: 17 October 2001 15:35 I'd be very interested - we've just rolled out laptops to all the staff and it is an absolute nightmare to support. How would you deal with supporting students? -----Original Message----- From: Edgehill e-mail service To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 10/17/01 9:12 AM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all The bottom line: I came down firmly on the side of "Great idea, But..." There are a number of issues to be dealt with when (if) the project goes ahead, but planning over a year ahead is vital. A straw-poll of a few interested parents and suppliers suggested that leased systems were the less popular option, and wholly-owned by the pupils was the best option. If anyone wants to see a copy of the report (typos and all), please request offlist. I can send as: Winword'97; RTF; (broken) HTML. Regards, Paul Ellison <SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net> ---------- > From: Terry Cefai <terryc(a)stjamesthegreat.org> > To: SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net > Subject: laptops for all > Date: 15 October 2001 17:05 > > Back in February you were asking for info re: laptops for all either wholy > owned or leased in order to present a paper to yur Head............how did > it go? > any interesting responses you could forward?? > > Terry > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Caching web sites
by Colin Davies 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

Is there any good software which will allow us to download and retain web sites (links and all) so that they are available across a network via our intranet. Several good lessons have been ruined by either the site or the Internet being unavailable. Some sites would be held semi permanent, others held for a few days. We are using Suse 7.0/Samba for network software and Smoothwall to connect to our ISP. Thanks Colin Davies __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all
by Edgehill e-mail service 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

This was our predicted nightmare - I think that the Head and I were agreed on 4x2 clue sticks (with optional nails) for general support issues <wry grin> Our idea was to have a small stock of hot spares, and to negotiate a central service contract for the hardware. By restricting the range of systems used, it would be possible to simply ghost an OS onto machines with a user-installation problem, and to loan a machine against physical damage. Pupils' systems would probably be locked down to prevent installation of unacceptable software, and to restrict tinkering with vital system settings. (Our network systems restore the system settings at every log-on, so probably something similar.) Regards, Paul (I have replied offlist with a copy of the report). ---------- From: Chris Puttick <chris(a)centralmanclc.com> To: 'Edgehill e-mail service ' <edgehillit(a)edgecoll.clara.net> Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all Date: 17 October 2001 15:35 I'd be very interested - we've just rolled out laptops to all the staff and it is an absolute nightmare to support. How would you deal with supporting students? -----Original Message----- From: Edgehill e-mail service To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Sent: 10/17/01 9:12 AM Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Re: laptops for all The bottom line: I came down firmly on the side of "Great idea, But..." There are a number of issues to be dealt with when (if) the project goes ahead, but planning over a year ahead is vital. A straw-poll of a few interested parents and suppliers suggested that leased systems were the less popular option, and wholly-owned by the pupils was the best option. If anyone wants to see a copy of the report (typos and all), please request offlist. I can send as: Winword'97; RTF; (broken) HTML. Regards, Paul Ellison <SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net> ---------- > From: Terry Cefai <terryc(a)stjamesthegreat.org> > To: SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net > Subject: laptops for all > Date: 15 October 2001 17:05 > > Back in February you were asking for info re: laptops for all either wholy > owned or leased in order to present a paper to yur Head............how did > it go? > any interesting responses you could forward?? > > Terry > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help(a)suse.com

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Re: laptops for all
by Edgehill e-mail service 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

The bottom line: I came down firmly on the side of "Great idea, But..." There are a number of issues to be dealt with when (if) the project goes ahead, but planning over a year ahead is vital. A straw-poll of a few interested parents and suppliers suggested that leased systems were the less popular option, and wholly-owned by the pupils was the best option. If anyone wants to see a copy of the report (typos and all), please request offlist. I can send as: Winword'97; RTF; (broken) HTML. Regards, Paul Ellison <SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net> ---------- > From: Terry Cefai <terryc(a)stjamesthegreat.org> > To: SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net > Subject: laptops for all > Date: 15 October 2001 17:05 > > Back in February you were asking for info re: laptops for all either wholy > owned or leased in order to present a paper to yur Head............how did > it go? > any interesting responses you could forward?? > > Terry > >

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