March 2000 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Intel Inside?
by adrian.wells 13 Mar '00

13 Mar '00

Many thanks to those that have replied. So far four users have noted that they have AMD rather than Intel CPUs. Incidentally there is no expiry period for misrepresentation. Rather than block this service, you may wish to respond by hitting the reply button. Many thanks Adrian Kind Regards Adrian Wells _______________________________________ Systems Manager Sidcot School Oakridge Lane, Winscombe, Somerset BS25 1PD. Please reply to adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk admin(a)sidcot.org.uk for general enquiries

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Default window sizes
by adrian.wells 13 Mar '00

13 Mar '00

Hi, Having installed SuSE several times now, I must say that the install from CD-ROM is much nicer, however I have always had problems with my graphics/monitor settings and have found that many of the windows in the GUI (especially for setting system settings) all assume that you are working in SVGA and it is impossible to access the 'apply' buttons from VGA. Are there alternative apps that I could use? Those that allow the window to be resized do not reposition the buttons! Thanks for the Samba reference posted today Roger, that is to be my next task. Kind Regards Adrian Wells _______________________________________ Systems Manager Sidcot School Oakridge Lane, Winscombe, Somerset BS25 1PD. Please reply to adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk admin(a)sidcot.org.uk for general enquiries

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Multiple X desktop using vnc (update)
by Bill Antonia 13 Mar '00

13 Mar '00

Bill Antonia Beacon Community College Home e-mail bill(a)beaconhillcott.freeserve.co.uk Work e-mail at(a)beacon.e-sussex.sch.uk Overlooked a small detail. To make sure every user gets the correct manager from the start, you need to edit /usr/X11R6/bin/vncserver. There is a line which contains twm &, change twm to start the manager you require ie kwm for KDE. When the vnc client is running, type kde (to start the KDE bits and pieces) in the console window. Also, many displays are set to 800x600. This means, with the default settings, you have to scroll around the screen which may be annoying. To fix this, change the $geometry setting to $geometry = "800x600" The only way I have found to kill the vnc server is to do a ps x to find out the Xvnc process number then use kill. Bye Bill

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Samba reference
by Roger Whittaker 13 Mar '00

13 Mar '00

This url appears to have the complete text of the O'Reilly Samba book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/ Could be very useful to anyone who's doing Samba. -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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Discless clients
by Alan Davies 10 Mar '00

10 Mar '00

To what extent is this possible? Without the hassle of EPROMS and boot roms in the ethernet card - lets say that there is a small local hard drive. How do you get the kernel to load - or MUST that load from the local drive? Can most of the rest be remote - including swap files, and the rest of the root structure. Are there special permissions required on files/directories for all this to operate. Its just that Linux like everything else does seem to require an increasing amount of hard disc and the possibility of using older slower machines as Xserver clients would be undermined if the 540MB limit on some old motherboards - not to mention to 210MB hard drive thats there. Of course there might be a fair amount of paging with limited RAM. Do you really need 16MB as a minimum to run LINUX as an Xserver client only? (How did they ever manage UNIX on mahines with 4MB or less?) Alan Davies Head of Computing Birkenhead School

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Thanks for help
by Chris Davies 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Thanks to all for their help with my keyboard problem. I ended up reinstalling for a number of reasons and haven't had the problems since. I installed a number of items such as apache. The machine is a 486 and even with 32Mb seems to be slow. There are a great amny processes running, such as apache, etc.. How can I control which processes start up at boot time - e.g. how can I leave apache installed, but not have it start up automatically? Thanks to everyone again. Chris Chris Davies Head of IT Epsom College College Road Epsom Surrey KT17 4JQ tel.: 01372 821178 fax.: 01372 821005

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Introducing me properly
by Giles Nunn 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Hello Everyone, I posted an answer of sorts to Chris Davies' problem but I forgot to introduce myself. I run SuSE on my workstation at work and at home - my kids (age 5 - 18) use it quite happily (apart from a few complaints about lack of windows games). In work I look after Carmarthenshire schools Internet. I have Linux on all servers and most of the schools are now or will be using it for mail and proxy service. I have been reading the stuff coming to this list with interest. In particular I look forward to seeing how the diskless client setup goes. We have the same problem with lots of older PC's being superceded. The biggest problem to my mind is that the GUI, which is what everyone wants, needs lots of space. Keep up the interesting chat. ____________________________________ Giles Nunn - Network Manager Carms Schools ICT Development Centre Tel: +44 01239 710662 Fax: 710985 ____________________________________

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Looking for some serious help.
by Admin2 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Hi all Since there has been some response to my mailings I thought I would mail again to let you know what I have done so far. Really just research and planning I started with the linux diskless HOWTO, which are part of the distribution but are also online in several places. These were particularly technical and I have to admit a little confusing for someone who is really very new to Linux. However there were some useful links to other sites. The main two free distributions of the bits and bobs you need to set up this sort of thing appear to be Netboot Etherboot both of which have links from the HOWTO file. In both cases though I found the amount of help wasn't exactly hand holding, more experience was definately needed. However then Roger posted the URL of the Linux Terminal Server Project. Now this seems a much better place to look as they seem interested in helping the virtual beginner to get this running. The site has good detail instructions on setting up a Red Hat Linux machine to be your server and has all the necessary files available for download. I am now planning in the Easter hols to start off with one good machine and a 486 and follow the instructions step by step and see if i can set up a red hat server with the 486 talking to it. Thats just step one. Incidentally don't be put off as I was with all the talk of EPROMS that you have to have burnt to fit onto your Network card to remotely boot. To start with you can be booting from floppy only once you get up and running do you need to find someone who can burn EPROMS (luckily we know someone) Anyway thats my progress report. Des Reynolds BBHS Lowestoft

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Really Weird
by Chris Davies 07 Mar '00

07 Mar '00

I used a machine set up with linux yesterday. Today I can't log in. As soon as I type root as a login name it tells me "login correct" Does this mean I have to re-install all over again? What caused this? Chris Chris Davies Head of IT Epsom College College Road Epsom Surrey KT17 4JQ tel.: 01372 821178 fax.: 01372 821005

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Looking for some serious help.
by Admin2 07 Mar '00

07 Mar '00

Prompted to my first post by this. We have had the box for some time, opened yes but not installed, partly because there are too many other pressing issues to deal with here, and partly because I have not sorted out details of how to use Linux in the school. I have had various notions in my head, but the plan outlined below seems to be an immediate application for us to try here. Therefore I would be pleased to be included in any advice offered on this topic. I have been reading posts with great interest, and kept details for reference, as the list is building into a useful resource. I am sure (well, hope, I do not want to be the only lurker) that others must lurk in this manner. Thus, keep it going. I am sure that when I start to get my 'hands dirty' I will be asking for solutions and fixes. Chris Ferguson-Gow (IT Technician) Tunbridge Wells Grammar School for Boys St John's Road Tunbridge Wells Kent TN4 9XB Tel 01892 529551 FAX 01892 536833 ---------- > From: Chris Davies <cjd(a)epsomcollege.sch.uk> > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Looking for some serious help. > Date: 29 February 2000 14:47 > > From: "DCR" <DCR(a)bbhs.suffolk.sch.uk> > To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Date sent: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:03:15 -0000 > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Looking for some serious help. > > > > This is exactly the sort of thing I want to be able to do. With > computers having a "useful" life currently of 4/5 years it means we > shall be replacing 25/20% of our stock annually. When I see what > the average pupil actually achieves on a computer, this seems to > be unnecessary. I, too will have an increasing number of "old" > machines and would like to use them in this way, too. > > Chris > > > > Hi all, > > > > Okay I have been reading this list for a couple of weeks with increasing > > interest. > > Now I have a rough plan of what I want to do with my Linux set up, and I > > need some guidance from all of you that seeem to be so much more advanced > > than me. > > > > At the moment we have a Linux server running Suse 6.1 which acts as our > > proxy server controlling internet access. We also have a NT network running > > which is our main network. > > > > Now what i want is to set up some machines that run directly from the Linux > > server, that run the kde desktop and are able to surf the internet. That is > > all they have to do, I don't want them to access the main network or run > > any other applications, just be able to surf the net and possibly safe > > files to disk. > > > > Now what i need to know is how hard this will be and what sort of hardware > > I need. > > > > I have a cupboard full of old 486's in various states of disrepair and was > > hoping to be able to put these to some use. I am particularly keen to use > > them as diskless terminals if possible. > > > > So now what i need is a very friendly soul or souls who would be willing to > > help talk me through all this, in exchange for infinite thanks and any help > > with web design, visual basic, javascript or any of the other things i do > > know about. > > > > Looking forward to hearing from someone soon > > > > Des Reynolds > > BBHS > > Lowestoft > > > Chris Davies > Head of IT > Epsom College > College Road > Epsom > Surrey > KT17 4JQ > tel.: 01372 821178 > fax.: 01372 821005

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Looking for some serious help.
by DCR 06 Mar '00

06 Mar '00

Hi all, Okay I have been reading this list for a couple of weeks with increasing interest. Now I have a rough plan of what I want to do with my Linux set up, and I need some guidance from all of you that seeem to be so much more advanced than me. At the moment we have a Linux server running Suse 6.1 which acts as our proxy server controlling internet access. We also have a NT network running which is our main network. Now what i want is to set up some machines that run directly from the Linux server, that run the kde desktop and are able to surf the internet. That is all they have to do, I don't want them to access the main network or run any other applications, just be able to surf the net and possibly safe files to disk. Now what i need to know is how hard this will be and what sort of hardware I need. I have a cupboard full of old 486's in various states of disrepair and was hoping to be able to put these to some use. I am particularly keen to use them as diskless terminals if possible. So now what i need is a very friendly soul or souls who would be willing to help talk me through all this, in exchange for infinite thanks and any help with web design, visual basic, javascript or any of the other things i do know about. Looking forward to hearing from someone soon Des Reynolds BBHS Lowestoft

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Pentium?
by Edgehill E-Mail Service 06 Mar '00

06 Mar '00

A bit off-beam, this one, but a personal bug-bear. Unfortunately the principle is too expensive to persue, and we (as educational establishments) cannot afford many legal wrangles ... We had 13 systems from them claiming to contain pentium P100's (3 years ago and more). They actually contained AMD K5-100's. Tiny had ensured that the fact was hidden until a chip failure (and I always investigate!) forced a chip to be unglued from the heatsink - said thermal-bond epoxy aiding the rate of chip destruction! :( Our Tiny's (of this ilk) have given reasonably good (if rather short) service, and are slowly being revamped as the chips die. The Spear mainboards inside, however, have given stirling service and appear to be scheduled for a few years more under Linux - even with faulty chips! :) Frankly, I would suggest that you could do better than losing sleep, blood, time and hair with an outfit which seem to belong in a western, not the high street <wry grin, scratches bald patch>. We have chalked this one up to experience, and make a point of Dis-Commending Tiny as a supplier to anyone who asks. I like the idea that Intel are taking an interest, though .. ... ... regards, paul ---------- > From: adrian.wells <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> > To: [Me] <adrian-wells(a)175-nbr.freeserve.co.uk>; Suse List <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Pentium? > Date: 06 March 2000 14:00 > > Hi, > > Quiet, but not asleep! > > The plea... > Can you help please? I'm gathering information. > > The Story... > I am in dispute with Tiny Computers regarding the processor installed in > some P75 machines. The machines are clearly marked on the boxes "Intel > Inside Pentium Processor", however it has just come to light that these > machines contain AMD processors. > > Tiny tell me that we have had the machines for too long and have no claim, > so go away. > > Acknowledged, the machines are about 3 years old however... > > We purchased Intel machines (these tend to carry a price premium) and to be > fair to AMD they are NOT the same as Intel devices. > > Tiny have sold the machines under false pretences, selling an (arguably) > inferior machine as a (arguably) superior machine. > > We had no way (or need until recently) to examine the processor type. The > BIOS just tells us P75 (which I think is an Intel trademark). > > The machines have apparently performed well although this is beside the > point. This may be a mater for the trading standards. > > If Tiny had acknowledged the fact and had been apologetic or offered some > form of credit then all would be well, however, having told me in no > uncertain terms to go away I am now left with a nasty taste in my mouth and > intend to take maters further. > > To the point... > If you have the time and you have any Tiny Computers that claim to have > Intel Processors, could you please check this and if found to be AMD (or > any other manufacture), forward indicated and actual Chip data along with > the machine serial number to me at the address below. > > Intel have already shown an interest in this mater! > > Many thanks in anticipation, > > I'll keep you posted. > Adrian > > > Kind Regards > Adrian Wells > _______________________________________ > Systems Manager > Sidcot School > Oakridge Lane, Winscombe, Somerset BS25 1PD. > > Please reply to > adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk > admin(a)sidcot.org.uk for general enquiries > >

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Tiny Pentiums?
by Ysgol Gyfun Maesyryrfa Staff 06 Mar '00

06 Mar '00

Dear Adrian, I have no Tiny machines in school, but do have one at home (although not as old as yours). I am very interested in Tiny's answers! Regards, Aled Jones

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Pentium?
by adrian.wells 06 Mar '00

06 Mar '00

Hi, Quiet, but not asleep! The plea... Can you help please? I'm gathering information. The Story... I am in dispute with Tiny Computers regarding the processor installed in some P75 machines. The machines are clearly marked on the boxes "Intel Inside Pentium Processor", however it has just come to light that these machines contain AMD processors. Tiny tell me that we have had the machines for too long and have no claim, so go away. Acknowledged, the machines are about 3 years old however... We purchased Intel machines (these tend to carry a price premium) and to be fair to AMD they are NOT the same as Intel devices. Tiny have sold the machines under false pretences, selling an (arguably) inferior machine as a (arguably) superior machine. We had no way (or need until recently) to examine the processor type. The BIOS just tells us P75 (which I think is an Intel trademark). The machines have apparently performed well although this is beside the point. This may be a mater for the trading standards. If Tiny had acknowledged the fact and had been apologetic or offered some form of credit then all would be well, however, having told me in no uncertain terms to go away I am now left with a nasty taste in my mouth and intend to take maters further. To the point... If you have the time and you have any Tiny Computers that claim to have Intel Processors, could you please check this and if found to be AMD (or any other manufacture), forward indicated and actual Chip data along with the machine serial number to me at the address below. Intel have already shown an interest in this mater! Many thanks in anticipation, I'll keep you posted. Adrian Kind Regards Adrian Wells _______________________________________ Systems Manager Sidcot School Oakridge Lane, Winscombe, Somerset BS25 1PD. Please reply to adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk admin(a)sidcot.org.uk for general enquiries

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Multiple X desktop users using vnc
by Edgehill E-Mail Service 06 Mar '00

06 Mar '00

Hi, Bill. Yes, us chikk'nz are still here. Incidentally, we've found a DOS-version of VNC. Are trying to get it up & running, and will post once done. Regards, Paul ---------- From: Bill Antonia <bill(a)beaconhillcott.freeserve.co.uk> To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Multiple X desktop users using vnc Date: 03 March 2000 21:06 Bill Antonia Beacon Community College Home e-mail bill(a)beaconhillcott.freeserve.co.uk Work e-mail at(a)beacon.e-sussex.sch.uk Something I left out on the previous posting, which is vital to the title, is that more than one user can be connected at the same time! This is due to the multi-user nature of Unix type operating systems. One person dosn't hog the whole machine. I think this was one of the requests of a previous posting by DCR. Bill P.S. I'ts gone pretty quiet out there, anyone still there? The banter was interesting, hare read avidly from half way in Febuary.

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getting an oldie to work
by Chris Davies 06 Mar '00

06 Mar '00

I've found some memory in an old server and have now beefed up my old 486. Suse loads well but there is only 420Mb of disk space. I want to be able to use the machine as a X client running from a bigger x server. What can I leave out from the installation. Every time I leave something out it seems that something somewhere needs it and I have to begin all over again. The machine has an old D-Link 220 ISA network card. This doesn't appear on the list of supported cards in YAST. How can I get around this problem. I cant't find a different card which fits into the machine. Chris Chris Davies Head of IT Epsom College College Road Epsom Surrey KT17 4JQ tel.: 01372 821178 fax.: 01372 821005

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Multiple X desktop users using vnc
by Bill Antonia 06 Mar '00

06 Mar '00

Bill Antonia Beacon Community College Home e-mail bill(a)beaconhillcott.freeserve.co.uk Work e-mail at(a)beacon.e-sussex.sch.uk Something I left out on the previous posting, which is vital to the title, is that more than one user can be connected at the same time! This is due to the multi-user nature of Unix type operating systems. One person dosn't hog the whole machine. I think this was one of the requests of a previous posting by DCR. Bill P.S. I'ts gone pretty quiet out there, anyone still there? The banter was interesting, hare read avidly from half way in Febuary.

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D-Link 220 ISA
by M E Clinch 05 Mar '00

05 Mar '00

Hi I just found your message. I use an ISA card in mu SuSE pc. I put it in an old 286 and looked for its IRQ and its memory location. If you can find this out for your card, youcan just use YAST to add the card by telling YAST that it is perhaps an NE1000 card and its details. I can not tellyou the exact location with YAST other than it is a sub menu about networking or something. My wife is playing games on my machine at this time :-) Regards mike -- Mike Clinch, minkl(a)dircon.co.uk, Disclaimer? Acorn RiscPC + SuSE Linux box + unix box

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Samba reference
by Bill Antonia 03 Mar '00

03 Mar '00

Bill Antonia Beacon Community College Home e-mail bill(a)beaconhillcott.freeserve.co.uk Work e-mail at(a)beacon.e-sussex.sch.uk An excellent reference for samba is "Using Samba" by Robert Eckstein, David Collier-Brown & Peter Kelly Publisher O'REILLY http://www.oreilly.com ISBN 1-56592-449-5 Cost, forgotten! First edition January 2000. However I got my copy in December. Very little reference to smbmount though. You have to look at the man pages in the Linux distribution. In the book they say use smbwrapper instead of smbmount. I don't think smbwrapper is in SuSE 6.3 but I may be wrong. Regards Bill

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Multiple X desktop users using vnc
by Bill Antonia 03 Mar '00

03 Mar '00

Bill Antonia Beacon Community College Home e-mail bill(a)beaconhillcott.freeserve.co.uk Work e-mail at(a)beacon.e-sussex.sch.uk I apologise for any rambling and grammatical errors, I've had a few beers after sitting for two hours in a parent/teacher evening only to see the parents of 6 children! I teach C to A level Computer Science students using telnet sessions to a Linux machine. Using the gcc compiler there are no license problems. This only gives the students a text based front-end which in some ways is not very appealing. Another method to enable each student to have access to an X desktop and use kdevelop via virtual network computing (vnc). SuSE 6.3 has both the client and server in the distribution for Linux. To connect to the Linux server you will have to download the vnc clients for the machines you wish to use as terminals. Acorn http://www.bigblue.demon.co.uk/VNC.html Other OS's (including Windows) http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/index.html Once you have a Linux machine on your network with an X server and vnc installed, multiple clients can connect, each with their own desktop. The process of creating a connection is as follows 1. telnet to the Linux server creating an initial connection. 2. In the terminal window start an X session by entering vncserver 3. If this is the first time for this user, a password will be asked for which will be required for the connection of the client. Repeat the password for confirmation. This stage will be skipped if this is not the first connection for that user. 4. The terminal window will then state the display number which will be needed for the user to connect to using the vnc client. 5. Run the vnc client on the the machine the user is working at, it will ask for the server to connect to eg server:2 where server is the name of the server and 2 is the display number for the connection. If this is accepted another box will ask for the password. This was the password entered in the initial set-up for that user. 6. If all goes well, an X desktop will appear with a terminal window. In the window type in the window manager you wish to use eg kwm for KDE. You should now have a KDE desktop in your vnc client window. Most clients have a full screen mode. For the Windows (ugh) client, right click on the icon on the icon bar, it's one of the options. kdevelop, if installed, is one of the menu items from the k panel menu. When a user disconnects the client from the server, the X server and manager remains active. The next connection only requires a new connection using the vnc client to the same server, display number and using the same password. To kill the running vnc server, either kill it specifically (it begins with a big X, I've forgotten the rest at the moment, could be Xvnc?) or reboot the machine. If this is done you start back at the beginning at stage 1 above but dont have to go through stage 3. I suggest if anyone uses this idea with many users then the Linux machine should have a reasonable amount of memory and be quite fast. All that gets sent down the line is screen updates, mouse movements and key presses. Good luck Bill

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Could be some useful things here
by Roger Whittaker 02 Mar '00

02 Mar '00

http://www.seul.org/edu/report9.html Linux in education report -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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Diskless stuff
by Roger Whittaker 02 Mar '00

02 Mar '00

People who have expressed an interest in this might want to look at http://www.ltsp.org/ -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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Hi everyone, another use for samba
by Bill Antonia 02 Mar '00

02 Mar '00

Bill Antonia Beacon Community College Home e-mail bill(a)beaconhillcott.freeserve.co.uk Work e-mail at(a)beacon.e-sussex.sch.uk Just a note to say hello and say how we use Linux We currently use 4 Linux machines, one for proxy internet access, one as a router (firewall!) between our curriculum and administration networks and two to provide inter subnet communications through the use of samba. Both networks use NT servers to control the individual domains however this means a user would have to log on once for the home domain and then repeatedly for each share connected to on the remote domain. To get around this I use samba and smbmounts. 1. Set samba to do server security on the password NT server within its domain and make that Linux box as a part of that domain. 2. Make sure all your users are added to the user list on Linux box. You could set their passwords to * in /etc/shadow so the cannot telnet. 3. Create a directory on the Linux box which you wish your users to connect. This directory can be left empty! 4. Make sure that the directory created is shared through samba. 5. Use smbmount to connect to the other domain using a high enough user/password to give your users access to the other domain. SuSE 6.1 had a bit of bother at this point unless you had used a patch or had recompiled the kernel. SuSE 6.3 has no problems! mount the remote share using smbmount //remoteservername/sharename /mountpoint -U username%password A nice thing about this is you can decide which machines can connect to the samba server if those machines use fixed IP addresses. Note that all the users take on the user identity of the connection to the remote domain and also their security. One way to restrict the connection is to change the access rights of the users on each share within samba. 6. Finally place appropriate NET USE commands in your login scripts to the samba server within your domain. And hey presto you connect directly to the shares on the remote domain when you log in. This is one way, to enable connection in the reverse, set up another samba server in the remote domain pointing back. You only need to use one network card in each machine but it probably would enhance performance if they bridged the two subnets, this has not been tested. You can even create home directories on the Linux box which dynamically connects to the remote home directory of that user by using the preexec option to smbmount the remote home share and postexec to unmount the remote share. Hope anybody finds this of use Bill

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What did I install?
by Chris Davies 02 Mar '00

02 Mar '00

During installation I am able to see lots of information about interesting packages and I often select them with the aim of checking them out. By the time I have intalled I've forgotten the names!! Can I get a printout of what I installed with the short description that showed up during installation? Chris Chris Davies Head of IT Epsom College College Road Epsom Surrey KT17 4JQ tel.: 01372 821178 fax.: 01372 821005

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Re: Welcome message
by Roger Whittaker 01 Mar '00

01 Mar '00

Well Ive taken the manual out and started reading it, but I just have not got time to install it yet. I feel that my school will not go down that route as we have not real IT structure and to try and implement anything is an impossible task. I have to lurch from crisis to crisis, Im not allowed to make any decisions as others have that role but do not fulfil it. It only looks good on paper. Sorry about the bleating but it is really frustrating having to try and maintain a system yet have no say at all in how it is managed. >From: Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> >To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com >Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Welcome message >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:56:40 +0000 (GMT) > >Hello to new members of the list. > >Don't be shy: post a message to let everyone know how you're getting on >and what you've done with Linux so far. > >There is help out there: ask ... > >Reading list: I'll repost the list of books and web sites I put out once >before. > >`Old members' - keep posting! > >-- >Roger Whittaker >SuSE Linux Ltd >The Kinetic Centre >Theobald Street >Borehamwood >Herts >WD6 4PJ >---------------------- >020 8387 1482 >---------------------- >roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk >---------------------- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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