June 2005 - openSUSE M17n - openSUSE Mailing Lists

RE: [m17n] Hebrew; and the left to right/right to left problem
by hermanmeester 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

***original message*** This doesn't answer your question, but I think that you'd like to know. I have been using Fedora Core 3 with KDE 3.x for a few months now, and I find that the hebrew support is excellent. Much better even than on Windows. I shift-space from language to language, and I have an indicator on the task bar. I haven't seen any backwards hebrew yet, even on the internet. my files do come out with the extension on the right side, ???????.txt but I never felt that that was weird. And what is nice, in konquerer, all my files are aligned to the right. Dotan Hi Dotan, Could you tell me what (kind of) packages you installed to even have right-aligned files in Konqueror? Is the basic language of your system Hebrew now? greetings, Herman

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RE: Korean Keyboard in SuSE 9.3 [Re: [m17n] Viele Sprachen unter Linux (german) [Re: Simplified Chinese in SuSE]]
by hermanmeester 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Marc Waeckerlin [mailto:Marc.Waeckerlin@siemens.com] Verzonden: di 7-6-2005 CC: m17n(a)suse.com The problem with Korean and SuSE 9.3 is, that you can configure a korean keyboard layout, but loading it results in an error. The command KDE tries to execute is: setxkbmap -model inspiron -layout ko This results in the error message: Error loading new keyboard description In older SuSE Linuxes, it did work, then with a KDE update, the korean keyboard layout disappeard completely from the list of available layouts in KDE (I think, that was in SuSE 9.2, but with an additional apt-Upgrade of KDE). Now the layout is back again, but it does not work. *** That's too bad, well, fortunately I'm just rather ignorant, not always up-to-date and I still have 9.1. But with, mostly, Mike's great help I can now use Korean perfectly with 9.1. So, although I don't know anything about the 9.3 distribution (nor much of anything about computers, anyway), I wonder why they wouldn't just leave it the way it was when they created those updates? What Mike Fabian pointed me to for 9.1 is just perfect. Could it be that not enough Koreans are into Linux? Only thing I know is that noone can beat the Koreans in computer games. But I don't know about their software making interests. My wife is supposed to be an engineer, but she can't make much of computers either, so although she is the Korean in our house, I had to make sure she could be typing Korean. So for a while she used the "special characters" stuff and put the whole syllables straight into some text document. You can imagine how much time that takes. So she threatened me she would buy a Windows or Mac computer. "Why on earth did you put Linux on OUR computer if you don't know anything about it?" she would be saying (I bought Suse9.1 and installed it out of the box). Yes people, the moment they started selling these ready for use packages, you'll see more total ignorants messing around with Linux ;-) thanks and take care HermanM

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RE: [m17n] Viele Sprachen unter Linux (german) [Re: Simplified Chinese in SuSE]
by hermanmeester 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Onderwerp: [m17n] Viele Sprachen unter Linux (german) [Re: Simplified Chinese in SuSE] This information is in German only. Ich habe meine Internetseite an SuSE 9.3 und die besprochenen Probleme angepasst: http://marc.wäckerlin.ch/linux/i18n.php (http://marc.waeckerlin.org/linux/i18n.php) Von allgemeinem Interesse dürften besonders auch die Tastaturbelegungsdokumentation sein. Für Kritik bin ich immer dankbar. Gruss Marc Hallo, Sie schreiben auf ihrer Internetseite (marc.waeckerlin.org/linux/i18n.php) ueber Suse 9.3: "... Bei Sprachen mit speziellen Eingabemethoden, wie Chinesisch, Japanisch und leider neuerdings auch Koreanisch (in älteren KDE Versionen konnte man einfach eine koreanische Tastaturbelegung wählen) muss man sich für eine Hauptsprache entscheiden, die man meist nutzt. ..." Sie sagen auch dass Suse 9.3 alles einfacher macht. Ich habe jetzt noch 9.1. Meinen Sie aber dass fuer Koreanisch etwas aelteres als 9.3 einfacher ist? Technisch ist Koreanisch eigentlich vollalfabetisch, nur das "Syllabendesign" gibt einen anderen Eindruck. Also, ist Hangeul fuer Suse 9.3 kein "Alfabet" mehr? (Nicht relevant, aber wissen Sie vielleicht, es gibt in Korea eine Statue fuer den Koenig (13. Jahrhundert glaube ich) der das Hangeul entworfen hat; die Leute in Korea sind ganz stolz darauf (sind sie zwar auf alles..). Hangeul zu lernen schafft man in einer Stunde. Ziemlich genial Entwurf, glaub' ich.) Wie es auch sei, ich glaube man koennte Koreanisch (Hangeul) in Software immer als alfabetisch betrachten; der Syllabenentwurf ist nur chinesisch beeinflusste Esthetik. Viele Gruesse, Herman

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Hebrew; and the left to right/right to left problem
by hermanmeester 06 Jun '05

06 Jun '05

Hello everyone, In order to be able to type Hebrew, they taught me (on http://iglu.org.il/) how to make holding down two shifts (permanent, I mean until closing down the computer) or the right alt key (temporarily, you have to keep holding it down) the key to switch to typing Hebrew in just about any application. I mainly needed it badly for browsers to search on words (I use Suse9.1). The command goes setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll us,il It's perfect, because the right-to-left alfabets were always annoying (to me that is) for computers, if you don't live in a country whre it's the default. Now that's just one switch. I remember having to mess with "insert -special characters" and then giving them fastkeys; but still you'd have to type backwards. You learn a lot then, turning aroung words in your brain all the time, but it's like typing "nelots neeb sah ekib ym ,yadretseY" To be sure, that's English, not Belarussian or something. Both an advantage and a disadvantage is that you have to give that command every time anew after booting (only problematic for people who ever turn off their computer, like me ;-)) I don't know yet how to make Hebrew the default; maybe I don't want that yet. But anyway, could any of you enlighten my ignorance: what is basically the difference between such a command like the one above, and using YaST or such to configure the system for Hebrew (or Arabic or so)? I made Hebrew a secondary language in YaST, but I dont really see the difference, I mean all the read-only characters show well, that's what I need; Anyway I like this way of having to enter that command line every time, because it doesn't really affect the configuration and still you can type Hebrew. Does anyone know what the essence is, when you type things, of switching between left-to-right to the other way round? One funny thing: For instance, in this rather primitive email program i'm using, if I type some Hebrew word such as ??????? ("jerusalem") anyway I hope you actually see some real hebrew here) and then if I type the space key, the cursor moves to the wrong side of the word, that is to the beginning of it on the right. And in file names, for example, imagine I have a file named hebrew.sxw and I type that in Hebrew, it would read: sxw.????? Which is in a way logical, and in another way funny. Why not ?????.sxw ? because the basics of the way KDE works, for example, is still "left-to-right", isn't it? So my question would be if anyone knows the "secrets" of this basic issue, just out of curiosity. Many greetings Herman

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FW: [m17n] Korean (hangeul)
by hermanmeester 06 Jun '05

06 Jun '05

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: hermanmeester Verzonden: ma 6-6-2005 16:28 Aan: mfabian(a)suse.de CC: Onderwerp: RE: [m17n] Korean (hangeul) Hello, I'm quoting you: "To find out what is wrong, can you please give the following information:" etc. this came out: locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL= fc-list :lang=ko:outline=true UnShinmun:style=Regular UnDotum:style=Bold UnGungseo:style=Regular Baekmuk Batang:style=Regular UnBatang:style=Regular UnYetgul:style=Regular UnBatang:style=Bold UnDotum:style=Regular Baekmuk Gulim:style=Regular rpm -qa | grep scim scim-0.9.1-26 scim-config-gconf-0.9.1-26 scim-server-socket-0.9.1-26 scim-config-socket-0.9.1-26 scim-tables-ko-0.3.2-0 scim-gtk2-immodule-0.9.1-26 scim-frontend-socket-0.9.1-26 ps aux | grep scim crazymu 7438 0.0 0.1 2596 696 pts/1 S+ 16:08 0:00 grep scim (But the second time I entered ps aux | grep scim no information came out, just a new line to enter commands) Thanks a lot! Regards HermanM

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RE: [m17n] Korean (hangeul)
by hermanmeester 06 Jun '05

06 Jun '05

Hello, Sorry to bother you; I'm using linux but i'm just an amateur. Anyway, I tried to follow your instructions as closely as I could; still I see no SCIM panel popping up. Is there some essential thing I forgot? I checked the locale is UTF-8; and I installed all the scim needed, I guess. Just only help me out if you have the time, I'm not in a hurry. Thanks, regards Herman -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Mike FABIAN [mailto:mfabian@suse.de] Are you asking how to input Korean on SuSE Linux? That is easy, just install scim and scim-hangul and some Korean fonts for example the baekmuk-ttf package. Make sure that you are using an UTF-8 locale. Restart your X session. Now type Shift+Space in the application where you want to do Korean input (should work in any Gnome, KDE application, in OpenOffice and many other applications). The SCIM panel should pop up. Click on the panel and select a Korean input method. Now you should be able to type Hangul. -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian

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