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Re: [m17n] usage of kinput2 and canna
by Mike Fabian 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

Bernhard Rulla <b.rulla(a)arcor.de> writes: > thanks for your support Mike. Although it > does not work fully, yet, I am at least able to > see some hiragana. :) > > What did I do: > > 1) I returned my system to German values, as > you advised in your last mail. > 2) I proceed, after booting, with the following > commands: > export XMODIFIERS="@im=kinput2" > LANG=ja_JP kinput2 -xim -kinput -canna & > LC_CTYPE=ja_JP kmail > > OK, then I can activate the XIM as before but > when I push Return, everything converts to > small squares. There are no question marks anymore, > because I changed the font to jis-fixed and activated > unicode for mails. > But still, in a mail that I try to write, I see only > nothing but squares. jis-fixed is not a unicode font. If you want to use jis-fixed, you should not activate the "Use unicode font for messages" checkbox, then the square boxes will disappear and you will see Japanese characters. jis-fixed is a font in jisx0208.1983-0 encoding, you will not be able to write German umlauts using that font.G To write German you have to switch back to a font which can display German umlauts. If you often write both, Japanese and German, having to switch fonts all the time will soon become tedious, than you may want to use a Unicode font which contains glyphs for both languages. For example the GNU-Unicode font is suitable for Japanese and German and it is already available on your machine, because it belongs to one of the YaST2 packages. In the font selection box of KDE2 (i.e. in the KMail setup), the GNU-Unicode font is listed as "unifont". If you want to use that font, please check that you have ":unscaled" appended to the relevant FontPath in /etc/X11/XF86config: FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/uni:unscaled" without the ":unscaled", KDE2 may try to scale this font, which will be extremely ugly. Scaled bitmap fonts are always very ugly. Using the GNU-Unicode font for E-Mails will make both German and Japanese readable, but you have only one size available (16 pixel). On top of that, it is a proportional font and E-Mails don't look nice when proportional fonts are used (at least in my opinion). The efont-unicode package ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mfabian/8.0-noarch/efont-unicode.rpm will give you fonts in a few more sizes (12, 14, 16, 24 pixels) which are monospaced. Use these which are listed with family "biwidth" by xlsfonts: D13:~ # xlsfonts | grep "efont.*medium-r-normal--24" -efont-biwidth-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-120-iso10646-1 -efont-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-c-120-iso10646-1 -efont-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-c-240-iso10646-1 D13:~ # They appear in the font listing of KMail just as "biwidth". They have "-p-" in their XLFD which means "proportional" because the CJK characters in these fonts are twice as wide as the latin characters, i.e. technically these are not really monospaced fonts. But all latin characters have the same width and all CJK characters have the same width, i.e. for practical purposes in you e-mail composer you can consider them as monospaced fonts. The efonts listed with family "fixed" are pairs of fonts, the one with the smaller value in the average width field contains the latin characters only, the one with the bigger value in the avarage width field the CJK characters only. You need such pairs of fonts for xterm in UTF-8 mode to display CJK characters. For KMail you need the "biwidth" fonts which contain the whole Unicode range. For other sizes, you could use commercial TrueType fonts like Bitstream Cyberbit or MS Arial Unicode which cover almost everything of Unicode 2.0. But both are not free, both are proportional and Bitstream Cyberbit is also very ugly. Probably the fonts from the efont-unicode package are best for German and Japanese e-mail in KMail in KDE2. Or upgrade to Qt3/KDE3 (distributed with SuSE Linux 8.0), then you will have much more fonts to choose from, because in Qt3 you can combine fonts, you don't need to have one single Unicode font to cover everything. See also http://www.suse.de/~mfabian/suse-cjk/kde-font-setup.html > In mails which I received, however, I can identify some > hiragana, like in your signature. You write > something like XXXX ha i i XX no X da. I see the X > as squares. Maybe we can try a counter-test. Can you > read this? > 日本語は難しいですね。 > I wanted to write "Nihongo ha muzukashii desu ne." Yes, no problem. >> if you have installed xfntjp.rpm you should >> have a quite large selection of Japanese bitmap fonts. > > Obviously, I have not installed this. I looked for it on > rpmfind.org and found some quite large files (16MB), > so I backed away from downloading them. On the German edition of SuSE Linux 7.3 Professional, it is available on CD5: CD5/suse/j2/xfntjp.rpm > Maybe it is a must to do? It is not absolutely necessary, it just gives you some more Japanese bitmap fonts to choose from. The efont-unicode package is probably more interesting for you if you want to use German *and* Japanese in KMail of KDE2. It is also huge (27MB) and unfortunately it is not on the SuSE Linux 7.3 CD set, i.e. you need download it from the URL given above. >> If you want Anti-Aliasing, you can use the free Japanese >> TrueType fonts "Kochi Mincho" and "Kochi Gothic" fonts which >> are available as well on the SuSE Linux 7.3 CD set. > > In the first step, I am keen on seeing complete Japanese > text, anti-aliasing comes later. > I looked for these two fonts anyway but could not find them > on my SuSE CDs. Where do I have to look? CD5/suse/han1/ttf-kochi-gothic.rpm CD5/suse/han1/ttf-kochi-mincho.rpm If you use YaST2 to install additional package, you will find a 'search' button where you can enter 'xfntjp' or 'kochi'. -- Mike Fabian <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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Lyx and Turkish Utf-8 locale
by Togan Muftuoglu 21 Jun '02

21 Jun '02

Hi, Looks like I hit another software which does not like me. :-( toganm@earth:~> locale LANG=tr_TR.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="tr_TR.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="tr_TR.UTF-8" LC_TIME=POSIX LC_COLLATE=POSIX LC_MONETARY="tr_TR.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES=en_US LC_PAPER="tr_TR.UTF-8" LC_NAME="tr_TR.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="tr_TR.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="tr_TR.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="tr_TR.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="tr_TR.UTF-8" LC_ALL= When I have Lyx started the menu comes completely emtpy and here is the Lyx yelling out LyX: menubar::read: Unknown menu tag: `Item' [around line 28 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] LyX: menubar::read: Unknown menu tag: `New...|N' [around line 28 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] LyX: menubar::read: Unknown menu tag: `buffer-new' [around line 28 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] LyX: menubar::read: Unknown menu tag: `Item' [around line 29 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] LyX: menubar::read: Unknown menu tag: `New from Template...|T' [around line 29 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] LyX: menubar::read: Unknown menu tag: `buffer-new-template' [around line 29 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] LyX: menubar::read: Unknown menu tag: `Item' [around line 30 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] LyX: menubar::read: Unknown menu tag: `Open...|O' [around line 30 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] ........ ................ LyX: Toolbar::read: Unknown toolbar tag: `Icon' [around line 310 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] LyX: Toolbar::read: Unknown toolbar tag: `copy' [around line 310 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] LyX: Toolbar::read: Unknown toolbar tag: `Icon' [around line 311 of file /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui] I have started Lyx with LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 then the menu draw is complete yet the keyboard does not function ( I mean Scedilla (Ş) comes out as degree) I chang default language to Turkish <-> English keyboard null <->turkish<-> english but no Any ideas -- Togan Muftuoglu Unofficial SuSE FAQ Maintainer http://dinamizm.ath.cx

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Printing Japanese Text
by ugroh＠t-online.de 03 Jun '02

03 Jun '02

How can I print Japanes text from mail, webbrowser etc? What I did so far: 1. I have a HP 1200 PS printer with non japanese fonts but who understands HPLjet4. 2. I added a printer queue with LJET4 as printer driver (CUSP menue in YAST2) 3. The printer works and prints fine. 4. I can translate ps-file with gs-command to ljet4-print files and averythings works fine (also the printer prints japanese e.g. if I tex the Wadalab-test file and translate the dvi -> ps -> ljet4 it works ( I use the command gs -sDEVICE=ljet4 -sOutfile.ljet infile.ps) 5. But if I try to print with the print-command from inside applications (e.g. Morzilla) I don't get Japanese output. What do I wrong? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards Ulrich Groh

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LPD
by cr0acker2 31 May '02

31 May '02

Hello m17n, Printing in russian using LPD. When i print from kWord i just get a blank page!!! Will CUPS print in russian? -- Best regards, cr0acker2 mailto:cr0acker@mail.ru

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OpenOffice and Japanese
by Gerhard Schuck 28 May '02

28 May '02

Hi I'm trying to find out whether OpenOffice.org1.0 for Linux is already able to replace Winword for someone (not me) who is writing mostly in Japanese, but also in German. My first impression is, that it might be usable but that there are still some problems left. I'd like to ask for similar or different experiences/opinions. First a small bug: If you activate kinput2 with Shift-Space you should be able to write in Japanese (of course started with LC_CTYPE = ja_JP and correct XMODIFIERS setting) directly, but you can't. You have to change manually to the Japanese font first. And back after you have deactivated kinput2. Japanese input with kinput2 works only over the spot. OpenOffice doesn't work well with kinput/canna (which one I don't know). Quite often they crash. One example: If I press HOME the "auxiliary control" window opens. Normally I can close it with Ctrl-g or backspace. Only backspace works correctly. If I press Ctrl-g the window closes, but kinput/canna don't work anymore. Sometimes OpenOffice crashes after about 15 seconds (enough time to safe your file). This happens with several other combinations too. I tested the German and the Japanese versions of OpenOffice on notebooks with SuSE 7.1 and 7.3 (later I will also try it on my desktop with SuSE 8.0). Thanks in advance for any comment Gerhard Schuck geschu(a)ma5.seikyou.ne.jp

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Chinese characters not appearing correctly in Macromedia Flash Player browser Plugin
by khchan2＠study.csis.hku.hk 27 May '02

27 May '02

I have a nearly-complete Chinese environment in SuSE 7.3 with KDE3 by now, except some minor issues. I found that when viewing a web page with macromedia flash animations CJK text embedded in these animations are still in garbage. I also experience similar problems when viewing a Java applet displaying CJK characters in them. ?????? are shown instead. I guess the flash plugin is an X application, but I'm not sure about that. CJK display seems to fail on nearly all X apps on my system, including xemacs. Is there any way to get CJK displayed correctly in them? The LC_CTYPE is already zh_TW.Big5 This is the font path from "xset q" and I'm not sure if it would be useful: Font Path: /opt/kde3/share/fonts/override,/home/khchan2/.kde3/share/fonts/override, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/kwintv, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/uni, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/sgi, /home/khchan2/.kde3/share/fonts,/opt/kde3/share/fonts Thanks very much. Regards, Bernard

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grep(ing) Japanese text...
by ピアスエリック 22 May '02

22 May '02

Hello all, I'm having a problem doing a grep of an html file containing Japanese text. I'm using rxvt (tried kterm as well) as my terminal, and greping Japanese text in plain text files works fine, but I have some html files that doesn't grep properly. It seems the Japanese text is not visable (or is temporarily corrupted) by grep in my html file(s) as evidenced by the following. Under rxvt: $ grep info.html * menu.html:href="info.html">����</A></P></DIV> Under kterm: $ grep info.html * menu.html:href="info.html">/A></P></DIV> The actual line looks like this: href="info.html">こっち</A></P></DIV> This brings up nothing: $ grep こっち * $ Anyone tackle this one yet? Thanks for reading. Eric __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! BB is Broadband by Yahoo! http://bb.yahoo.co.jp/

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Re: [m17n] usage of kinput2 and canna
by Mike Fabian 20 May '02

20 May '02

Bernhard Rulla <b.rulla(a)arcor.de> writes: > I think we can narrow the area of the problem: > After following your advice (I changed RC_LC-TYPE > to ja_JP), I can switch on the XIM with Shift-Space. > I also am able to see the different kanji-choices > for one pronounciation in hiragana. > > BUT: when I make my final choice with Return-key, > everything changes to question marks. You said that you tried this in a KDE2 program (KMail), therefore I think this is only a font problem. In the setup dialog of KMail, you have to choose a font suitable for Japanese. At least "Fixed [Jis]" should be available, and if you have installed xfntjp.rpm you should have a quite large selection of Japanese bitmap fonts. If you want Anti-Aliasing, you can use the free Japanese TrueType fonts "Kochi Mincho" and "Kochi Gothic" fonts which are available as well on the SuSE Linux 7.3 CD set. PS: setting LC_CTYPE=ja_JP will take away the ability to input German umlauts. If you only use English and Japanese or German in ASCII only, that is OK. But as you have a German e-mail address, I guess you may need umlauts sometimes. Possible solutions: - don't set RC_LC_CTYPE=ja_JP globally in /etc/rc.config/lang.rc.config only start programs where you need Japanese input and don't need German umlauts with a command line like: 'LC_CTYPE=ja_JP program' - use LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.UTF-8 instead, this will enable you to use both Japanese and German umlauts (via the German keyboard layout. This works mostly well, but you may run into problems with some legacy applications like Netscape 4.x which don't work well in UTF-8 locales. You can start those legacy by specifying a non-UTF-8 locale on the command line. PPS: If you want to use German umlauts *and* Japanese at the same time in KDE2, you need to select *one* Font which covers both. I.e. the Gnu Unicode font. Or some commercial TrueType font like Bitstream Cyberbit or MS Arial Unicode. Or upgrade to KDE3, then you can mix more than one font, which solves the problem as well, see http://www.suse.de/~mfabian/suse-cjk/kde-font-setup.html -- Mike Fabian <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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Tamil Locale
by G. Rajesh Iyer 20 May '02

20 May '02

Dear All, I am trying to install Tamil (a language spoken in southern part of India) locales. I downloaded the locale setting files from Tamilinix Yahoo Group. I could not run make install as at error message display "could not find i18n directory". Can someone help me where could I find this i18n directory? The locale file I download is said to have been tested on Debian & Redhat. I know there are few difference is directory placements between our SuSE and Redhat. I could not detect this i18n directory. Kindly help me. The makefile file in the locale files I downloaded contains following lines: # DESTDIR is used for creating RPMs/DEBs DESTDIR = I18NDIR = $(DESTDIR)/usr/share/locale LOCALEDIR = $(DESTDIR)/usr/lib/locale X11DIR=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/ all: install: install-locales install-sources install-locales: ta_IN.TSCII @if [ ! -z $(DESTDIR) ]; then \ mkdir -p $(LOCALEDIR) $(I18NDIR)/charmaps \ $(I18NDIR)/locales; \ fi localedef -f TSCII -i ta_IN.TSCII $(LOCALEDIR)/ta_IN.TSCII-0 @if [ ! -z $(X11DIR)/locale/tscii-0 ]; then \ mkdir -p $(X11DIR)/locale/tscii-0 ; fi cp XLC_LOCALE Compose $(X11DIR)/locale/tscii-0 cp ta $(XKMAPDIR)/xkb/symbols cp setkb /usr/bin chmod +x /usr/bin/setkb install-sources: TSCII ta_IN.TSCII cp TSCII $(I18NDIR)/charmaps cp ta_IN.TSCII $(I18NDIR)/locales Thanks in advance, Regards, Rajesh

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Re: [m17n] usage of kinput2 and canna
by Mike Fabian 19 May '02

19 May '02

Bernhard Rulla <b.rulla(a)arcor.de> writes: > I need some kind hints about how to use kinput2 and canna. > > Situation: > 1) I installed canna > 2) I installed kinput2 > 3) I entered the command export XMODIFIERS="@im=kinput2" > 4) I entered the command LANG=ja_JP kinput2 -xim -kinput -canna & > 5) I started my e-mail program KMail LC_CTYPE=ja_JP kmail > 6) I want to write a Japanese e-mail and use Shift-Space... > but nothing happens, except that I entered a space. > > What am I missing? > Where need I to do what additional step? I guess LC_CTYPE was not set to a Japanese locale when kmail was started. -- Mike Fabian <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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