August 2004 - openSUSE M17n - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [m17n] Re: Bangla/Bengali fonts
by Mike FABIAN 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)randomink.org> さんは書きました: > On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 20:14 +0200, Mike FABIAN wrote: >> Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)randomink.org> さんは書きました: >> >> > Well, Mitra and Ani are not being actively developed anymore (basically >> > they were designed as "proof of concept fonts", and released even before >> > Microsoft released the Open Type specs for Bengali) - and currently >> > Akaash is going a rewrite. So I don't think it would be a good idea to >> > include those fonts at this stage. >> >> Mitra wasn't included anyway because it is apparently not >> available anymore from > > Ohh - Mitra is included within the Ani tarball. I see, you are right. Somehow I missed that. -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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Re: Autohinter and Bangla/Bengali fonts
by Mike FABIAN 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)randomink.org> さんは書きました: > pointing out the patch. However, before going ahead, please verify the > rendering in some actual text editor/web browser. For sample text, you > can go to http:/www.bengalinux.org/bn . The main issue we have been > facing with the FreeType2 autohinter is that glyphs in a rendered string > fail to align properly (horizontal alignment, that is). An example of > proper rendering is at > http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/images/akaashabnormal.jpg > Note how the top "matra" lines up more or less perfectly - this is > something which we have not got with the Freetype autohinter > (unpatched). I tried with http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/bn.php3 now. Result with "Mukti Narrow" with autohinter is here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/konqueror-mukti-narrow-hinting-true.png The top "matra" lines apparently line up well. When using Likhan instead of "Mukti Narrow", it looks less good though: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/misc/konqueror-likhan-hinting-true.png Is that acceptable? -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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Re: [m17n] Re: Bangla/Bengali fonts
by Mike FABIAN 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)randomink.org> さんは書きました: > Well, Mitra and Ani are not being actively developed anymore (basically > they were designed as "proof of concept fonts", and released even before > Microsoft released the Open Type specs for Bengali) - and currently > Akaash is going a rewrite. So I don't think it would be a good idea to > include those fonts at this stage. Mitra wasn't included anyway because it is apparently not available anymore from http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/freebangfont/ I have now removed Ani and Akaash, new rpms are at the usual place: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.1/noarch/fonts-bangla-0.20040805-0.1… ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.1/src/fonts-bangla-0.20040805-0.1.sr… -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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Autohinter and Bangla/Bengali fonts
by Mike FABIAN 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)randomink.org> さんは書きました: > Also, if you using the autohinter of FreeType2 in SuSE, you'll need > to disable it for the two fonts, since autohinter does not work very > well with Indic fonts. To do so, add the following lines to > /etc/fonts/fonts.conf: > > <match target="font"> > <test name="family"> > <string>Mukti Narrow</string> > </test> > <edit name="hinting"> > <bool>false</bool> > </edit> > </match> > <match target="font"> > <test name="family"> > <string>Likhan</string> > </test> > <edit name="hinting"> > <bool>false</bool> > </edit> > </match> If the autohinter were really bad for Bengali fonts, I think it would be better to disable it for all Bengali fonts and for each font separately. Like this: <match target="font"> <test name="lang" compare="contains"> <string>bn</string> </test> <edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"> <const>hintnone</const> </edit> </match> But actually I have the impression that these fonts look better when the autohinter is used. Can you please have a look at these two screenshots: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/misc/mukti-narrow-hinting-false.png ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/misc/mukti-narrow-hinting-true.png The one without the hinting has more smeared out gray, therefore it looks a bit bolder but considerably more blurred. Maybe the reason why the hinted version looks better is that the SuSE freetype2 package has the patch from http://www.kde.gr.jp/~akito/patch/freetype2/2.1.7 applied which improves the hinting results for CJK fonts a lot. Quite possibly this helps for Indic fonts as well. When you wrote that the autohinter doesn't work well for Indic fonts, you were talking about an unpatched freetype2, didn't you? -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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Re: [m17n] Re: Bangla/Bengali fonts
by Mike FABIAN 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)randomink.org> さんは書きました: > I would suggest that you include MuktiNarrow and Likhan for the time > being - we are still not very happy with the quality of the other fonts. Is it necessary to remove the other fonts? They are not very big anyway, maybe it is better to leave them in the package for testing? -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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Re: [m17n] Re: Bangla/Bengali fonts
by Mike FABIAN 09 Aug '04

09 Aug '04

Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)randomink.org> さんは書きました: > MuktiNarrow is a sans-serif, while Likhan will be a serif font. OK, I added these to the fontconfig rules to be the fontconfig setup to be prefered in Bengali locales. Packages for SuSE Linux 9.1 are here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.1/i586/fontconfig-2.2.96.20040728-2.… ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.1/i586/fontconfig-devel-2.2.96.20040… ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.1/src/fontconfig-2.2.96.20040728-2.1… ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.1/x86_64/fontconfig-2.2.96.20040728-… ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.1/x86_64/fontconfig-devel-2.2.96.200… By the way, if Likhan is a serif font, shouldn't it also use serif glyphs for the Latin alphabet? Currently Likhan has sans-serif glyphs for the Latin alphabet. -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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[m17n]_SCIM_not_OK!
by Gustaf Kugelberg J�nsson 07 Aug '04

07 Aug '04

Hi, I have also had troubles with SCIM, mine won't start at all. Is there a reasonable manual somewhere? I haven't found one and I know too little about backends and such to get it started without help. The built in manual presumes that I am an expert, which I am not. Could anyone give me some pointers? Thanks, Gustaf

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SCIM not OK? 9.1 Pro New installion
by Isen 06 Aug '04

06 Aug '04

Hi, I just install my brand new SuSE 9.1 Pro on my computer, and SCIM not working. I already tried to put KDE locale to Chinese, but SCIM also not working. My question: 1. Can I have english locale with Working chinese (simplified) input. 2. Is there any configuration file to tweak to make SCIM working? thanks =========================================================================================== "Gabung INSTANIA, dapatkan XENIA. Daftar di www.telkomnetinstan.com, langsung dapat akses Internet Gratis.. Dan ..ikuti "Instan Smile" berhadiah Xenia,Tour S'pore, Komputer,dll, info hub : TELKOM Jatim 0-800-1-467826 " ===========================================================================================

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Re: [m17n] Re: Bangla/Bengali fonts
by Mike FABIAN 06 Aug '04

06 Aug '04

Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)randomink.org> さんは書きました: > On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 18:01 +0200, Mike FABIAN wrote: > The glyphs for MuktiRegular and MuktiBold were withdrawn by the company > which donated them due to possible copyright infringements > (http://www.gnu.org.in/software/software.html#akruti) - so we had to > withdraw those fonts too :-( Thank you. I made a SuSE rpm containing the fonts from http://www.nongnu.org/freebangfont/ and will submit this for inclusion into SuSE Linux >= 9.2. An rpm for SuSE 9.1 for testing is here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.1/noarch/fonts-bangla-0.20040805-0.1… ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.1/src/fonts-bangla-0.20040805-0.1.sr… Can you please tell me which of these fonts should be the preferred font in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf for sans-serif serif monospace respectively? -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian(a)suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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SUSE :: l10n in Bangla/Bengali
by Jamil Ahmed 05 Aug '04

05 Aug '04

Hello, We [www.ankurbangla.org] is working towards Bangla support in GNU/Linux. Currently we are working on Fedora Linux, Mandrake Linux, Gnome, KDE. You can see the status from the url's below. Fedora Linux http://elvis.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status?page=status&locale=bn Mandrake Linux http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/bn.php3 Gnome 2.6.x http://l10n-status.gnome.org/gnome-2.6/bn/index.html KDE http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/HEAD/bn/index.php We are interested to work on SUSE Linux too! Let us know the general procedure - how to start on this issue. Waiting for your valued reply. :-) Thanks, `Jamil

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