openSUSE AMD64 June 2004

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Enlightened Sound Demon broken in SuSE 9.1 ?
by Franz Mach 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

I'm not sure if my problem is related to the 64bit version or a general SuSE 9.1 issue, but as i'm using SuSE AMD64 i'll post it here: Related to my hardware i had to change to the OpenSoundSystem (OSS) to have sound because i had no chance to get ALSA running. The OSS is running with excellent sound quality but now i tried to use the Enlightened Sound Demon (esd) the first time and something very strange happened : uruk:/home/paco # esd - server format: sample rate = 48000 Hz audio_alsa: no cards found! uruk:/home/paco # even if i define the sound-device in spawn_options in the esd Config files what shouldn't be necessary it fails: uruk:/home/paco # esd - using device /dev/dsp0 - server format: sample rate = 48000 Hz ALSA lib pcm.c:1962:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp0 uruk:/home/paco # i know that esd normally works with OSS, i had this already running with SuSE 6.0 (!) - i have absolutely no idea why esd tries to open any non existent ALSA device - this seems to be a big riddle as i removed all sound devices with YaST2 and then i had disabled the ALSA kernel modules using the OSS soundconf ... Just for becoming sure that the problem isn't caused by OSS in any way i installed OSS on a other computer running Mandrake 10 (as far is i know the program versions are very similiar to SuSE 9.1) the esd works out off the box ... I'm really a bit confused now, my only explanation for that all is that the SuSE 9.1 esd seems to be broken in some way. Unfortunately i don't found a patch for it until nowwith YOU. Am i the first having this problem ? Please, could somebody tell me what is going on here ? best regards Franz Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de

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Cool & Quiet on Linux - How can I know it really works?
by Roger Jahns 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

Hi everybody, recently I was wondering if Cool & Quiet of my Athlon64 3200+ is working correctly on linux. /proc/cpuinfo shows me about 800 MHz cpu speed when the system is idle and about 2000 MHz under load. So my question is whether this information is enough to tell that Cool & Quiet is working. The board is a Gigabyte K8N Pro with bios version F11, cpu stepping is 8. On Gigabyte's website I found no hint that Cool & Quiet is actually supposed to work, so I didn't try it on windoze. But, hey, on linux (SuSE 9.1 Pro) it works out of the box as it seems. Am I right, or does /proc/cpuinfo only show what speed the processor is supposed to run at and not what it is currently running? Here is some more information from /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq: for i in *; do echo $i; cat $i; done ==> cpuinfo_max_freq 2000000 cpuinfo_min_freq 800000 scaling_available_frequencies 2000000 1800000 800000 scaling_available_governors userspace performance scaling_driver powernow-k8 scaling_governor userspace scaling_max_freq 2000000 scaling_min_freq 800000 scaling_setspeed 800000 Cheers, Roger -- Roger Jahns

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RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan
by Richard Mixon (qwest) 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Yes, U320 SCSI is WAY,WAY faster that SATA. That is my experience using Java web applications. This is not a pure U320 SCSI versus SATA comparison. But on our production server with U320 SCSI, Intel RAID controller and 3 x 15000 rpm drives, database queries are almost 5 to 10 times faster than on a workstation with single SATA drive. The SCSI is in a minimal RAID-5 configuration (i.e. only 3 disks). The production server has dual Opteron 240 chips (1.4Ghz), the test box has an AMD Athlon 2500 (about 2Ghz). First, the scsi bus can handle IO to multiple disks at one time. Second you've got (usually one) 320MHZ bus versus a 150MHZ bus. True, each SATA drive has 150MHZ. Third,I would imagine, there has been a lot more time and money invested in optimizing drivers for the SCSI controllers, otherwise folks would not buy them. SCSI is expensive, but not that much more expensive than the equivalent SATA equipment. SATA's costs can be deceiving. To get drives of the same caliber as SCSI drives you have to go to the Western Digital Raptor drives - they spin at 10,000 rpm - a 74MB drive is about US $206. A similar drive in U320 SCSI is about US $256, but you can also get a 15000 rpm drive for about US $500. The inexpensive BIOS/software RAID chips (card or motherboard) have no processor chip and no RAM CACHE. They simply do not compare performance-wise to real hardware RAID. Actually Linux software RAID usually performs better than the RAID drivers that these chips come with - there are a number of posts that have the results to prove this. However a good SATA RAID controller with its own CPU and RAM is not really cheaper for SATA then SCSI. A 3Ware 8506-4LP SATA RAID controller costs about US $340, the 8506-8LP costs about US $500. Adaptec U320 SCSI RAID controller are around US $400 for a single channel card and about US $600 for a dual channel card (2 SCSI busses that can handle 15 devices each). I am sure there's someone with more precise technical data, but I hope this helps. If you need performance and you can affort the incremental costs, go SCSI. - Richard -----Original Message----- From: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws [mailto:rrpalma@synopsis.ws] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:32 AM To: skarsch(a)s1.karsch-net.de Cc: Richard Mixon (qwest); suse-amd64(a)suse.com Subject: RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Hello Don, Thanks for your reply. You're absolutely right; that's the IBM I'm referring to. What memory are you using on your S2885? Please pardon my ignorance, but is it right to assume that U320 SCSI is faster than SATA? Regards, _____________________________ Ricardo R Palma SYNOPSIS SA Tel. (+51 1) 275-7523, 275-4708 email: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws www.synopsis.ws "Pettini, Don" <don(a)healthmetrics.org> 05/31/2004 02:18 PM To "Richard Mixon (qwest)" <rnmixon(a)qwest.net>, <suse-amd64(a)suse.com> cc Subject RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Hi Richard, The system you are referring to is the 1u rackmount 325. The new system referenced by Ricardo is a new Dual Opteron desk-side unit called the Intellistation A Pro. This station can come with a choice of Nvidia cards(Quadro Pro 1100 or 3000), U320 SCSI, Firewire onboard, 1Gb Ethernet onboard, DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW. I custom built a dual 246 using Tyan S2885, which is a great workstation, very fast. I have 3 PCI-x SCSI adapters on it and all work great, though a little fussy about PCI scan order on boot. I now have 1.5TB on the system and I/O performance is exceptional as compared with the older Xeon I had. If you are looking for a workstation, either this board, or the IBM Intellstation A Pro are great workhorses. Don -----Original Message----- From: Richard Mixon (qwest) [mailto:rnmixon@qwest.net] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:05 PM To: suse-amd64(a)suse.com Subject: RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Given you are looking at a workstation, this may or may not help. We had the same decision to make last November/December when buying our application server (Java web apps). We liked the IBM, but the kicker was its 1U rack case only had space for two disk drives. It was certainly more expensive, but not unreasonably so, given IBM's (usually) excellent support. You had to buy an external disk array to expand storage. The lack of drive slots caused us to go with a Tyan Thunder S2880 based system. Although we have built many ADM/Intel boxes, the Opteron/AMD64 is new enough that we decided to let Monarch Computing build it for us. Their assembly/burnin charge is absolutely a bargain - around US $65 if I remember correctly. Given the issues we had with RAID and the SCSI drives, we are very glad we did. We tried the more recent S2882 with buildin SCSI/RAID but it would not work with SLES 8. All in all, Monarch's support has been excellent. I will probably put together our next Opteron test server. However it will be pretty basic compared to our production servers. Still, if you can afford the IBM, I would go for it - you know the video and everything is integrated and works. Hope this helps. - Richard -----Original Message----- From: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws [mailto:rrpalma@synopsis.ws] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:12 AM To: suse-amd64(a)suse.com Subject: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Hello List, We need to acquire a dual Opteron workstation. Our choices are: - Build one ourselves , based on Tyan's Thunder K8W (S2885), with dual Opteron's 250, SATA drives, and nVidia 5950 card - Buy an IBM Intellistation A Pro with dual Opteron's 248, Ultra320SCSI drives, and nVidia Quadro FX 1100 Thanks for your suggestions, _____________________________ Ricardo R Palma SYNOPSIS SA Tel. (+51 1) 275-7523, 275-4708 email: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws www.synopsis.ws -- Check the List-Unsubscribe header to unsubscribe For additional commands, email: suse-amd64-help(a)suse.com -- Check the List-Unsubscribe header to unsubscribe For additional commands, email: suse-amd64-help(a)suse.com

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After installing 9.1, can no longer install Maple 9.0.3
by Paul C. Leopardi 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hi all, I have now finally obtained and installed SUDE LINUX Profressional 9.1, and am now re-installing some 32-bit software. The Maple 9.0.3 installer linux32 ./LinuxUpgrade.bin gives the error message: Error occurred during initialization of VM Unable to load native library: /tmp/install.dir.10080/Linux/resource/jre/lib/i386/libjava.so: symbol __libc_wait, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference I tried various combinations of export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1; linux32 ./LinuxUpgrade.bin export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.21; linux32 ./LinuxUpgrade.bin with no luck. What next? Linux linfinit 2.6.5-7.61cvs20040528150002-default #1 Fri May 28 19:04:18 UTC 2004 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux Best regards

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Dual Opteron and SATA
by rrpalma＠synopsis.ws 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hello all, I might be wrong, but I think I saw somewhere that SuSE 9.1 and the Tyan Thunder K8W (S2885) motherboard do not support SATA? Is this right? _____________________________ Ricardo R Palma SYNOPSIS SA Tel. (+51 1) 275-7523, 275-4708 email: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws www.synopsis.ws

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IBM or Tyan
by rrpalma＠synopsis.ws 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hello List, We need to acquire a dual Opteron workstation. Our choices are: - Build one ourselves , based on Tyan's Thunder K8W (S2885), with dual Opteron's 250, SATA drives, and nVidia 5950 card - Buy an IBM Intellistation A Pro with dual Opteron's 248, Ultra320SCSI drives, and nVidia Quadro FX 1100 Thanks for your suggestions, _____________________________ Ricardo R Palma SYNOPSIS SA Tel. (+51 1) 275-7523, 275-4708 email: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws www.synopsis.ws

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RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan
by Pettini, Don 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hi Richard, The system you are referring to is the 1u rackmount 325. The new system referenced by Ricardo is a new Dual Opteron desk-side unit called the Intellistation A Pro. This station can come with a choice of Nvidia cards(Quadro Pro 1100 or 3000), U320 SCSI, Firewire onboard, 1Gb Ethernet onboard, DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW. I custom built a dual 246 using Tyan S2885, which is a great workstation, very fast. I have 3 PCI-x SCSI adapters on it and all work great, though a little fussy about PCI scan order on boot. I now have 1.5TB on the system and I/O performance is exceptional as compared with the older Xeon I had. If you are looking for a workstation, either this board, or the IBM Intellstation A Pro are great workhorses. Don -----Original Message----- From: Richard Mixon (qwest) [mailto:rnmixon@qwest.net] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:05 PM To: suse-amd64(a)suse.com Subject: RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Given you are looking at a workstation, this may or may not help. We had the same decision to make last November/December when buying our application server (Java web apps). We liked the IBM, but the kicker was its 1U rack case only had space for two disk drives. It was certainly more expensive, but not unreasonably so, given IBM's (usually) excellent support. You had to buy an external disk array to expand storage. The lack of drive slots caused us to go with a Tyan Thunder S2880 based system. Although we have built many ADM/Intel boxes, the Opteron/AMD64 is new enough that we decided to let Monarch Computing build it for us. Their assembly/burnin charge is absolutely a bargain - around US $65 if I remember correctly. Given the issues we had with RAID and the SCSI drives, we are very glad we did. We tried the more recent S2882 with buildin SCSI/RAID but it would not work with SLES 8. All in all, Monarch's support has been excellent. I will probably put together our next Opteron test server. However it will be pretty basic compared to our production servers. Still, if you can afford the IBM, I would go for it - you know the video and everything is integrated and works. Hope this helps. - Richard -----Original Message----- From: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws [mailto:rrpalma@synopsis.ws] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:12 AM To: suse-amd64(a)suse.com Subject: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Hello List, We need to acquire a dual Opteron workstation. Our choices are: - Build one ourselves , based on Tyan's Thunder K8W (S2885), with dual Opteron's 250, SATA drives, and nVidia 5950 card - Buy an IBM Intellistation A Pro with dual Opteron's 248, Ultra320SCSI drives, and nVidia Quadro FX 1100 Thanks for your suggestions, _____________________________ Ricardo R Palma SYNOPSIS SA Tel. (+51 1) 275-7523, 275-4708 email: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws www.synopsis.ws -- Check the List-Unsubscribe header to unsubscribe For additional commands, email: suse-amd64-help(a)suse.com

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kernel update
by Franz Mach 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hi, I want to update the SuSE kernel from 2.6.4-52 to 2.6.4.54 with YOU. Is it necessary to reinstall drivers as nvida or oss after that ? (maybe a naiv question but i never updated the kernel before ;-) best regards Franz Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de

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quick patch request for SuSE 9.0 AMD 3ware users
by Joe Landman 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hi Folks: I wanted to let you know that the 3ware drivers in 9.0 are somewhat out of date. Also, under 9.0 AMD, there is a simple bug in sd.c with regards to signed vs unsigned ints, which limits the size of the SCSI disk system to under 1 TB (1 TB - 1 byte will work, but 1 TB will overflow). See https://www.3ware.com/kbadmin/attachments/sd.c.patch for the patch to sd.c, and look at the knowledgebase article "Q10753 - Software Configuration: Does 3ware have support for 64-bit Linux operating systems?" on http://www.3ware.com/KB/kb.asp. They mention 'There is a bug with 64-bit Linux 2.4 kernels where SCSI disk targets greater than 1 Terabyte in capacity cannot be accessed beyond one Terabyte (1 TByte). The resultant output for the error is: "I/O error: device 08:00 sector X" ' Please include the latest 3ware drivers and the this patch for 9.0 AMD64 kernels if possible. Thanks! Joe -- Joe Landman <landman(a)scalableinformatics.com>

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