June 2004 - openSUSE AMD64 - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Java -> SQL connection
by Tim Oliver Wagner 04 Jun '04

04 Jun '04

Hi List, I think its a problem of the 64bit architecture. Because I can connect to my MYSQL server via php at this 64 bit PC and the little connection-program I wrote in JAVA works perfect at my second 32Bit-PC but not with my 64Bit-PC. Did anybody connect successfully to an mysql DB with JAVA and a 64 bit computer? I attached my little program. Maybe someone can test also - maybe I made a mistake at programming ...??? tia OLI

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succes! ATI with hardware 3d in 9.1
by Arjen Runsink 04 Jun '04

04 Jun '04

Hi list, After reading logs and using the google I got hardware 3d accelleration on my ATI 9200SE even UT2004 is playable. The problem is the dri modules suse provides. These are not the actual ones that come with the kernel. I recompiled the standard kernel with the dri from that one and all is working now. Read my submission for the unofficial suse faq for a walk through with extra bonus: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=966112&group_id=42… Next stop is enabling the speed stepping. That still is not working here. BB, Arjen

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Enlightened Sound Demon - Problem "solved"
by Franz Mach 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

Hi, i just solved the problem with esound i posted here. I recompiled the esound package with the configure option --disable-alsa, now the esd works with OSS :-) But the esound should work with Alsa AND OpenSoundSystem without recompiling it - just have a look at the package description: >>> A multiplexing and caching sound daemon. It can utilize either ALSA or OSS for sound output. Many projects, including Enlightenment and GNOME, use esound to play and record their sounds. <<< The esound package provided by SuSE works ONLY with Alsa. It seems to be a bug in the esound package; if not it should be declared that this esound package works only with Alsa and needs recompilation for OSS. to the SuSE developers here: Should i send this in as a bug report or is it just enough posting it here ? best regards Franz Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de

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Re: [suse-amd64] AMD64 and lib64
by Leif Sorensen 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

I have to agree with you. It is just not logical to say that backwards compatibility is more important than being prepared for the new technology. Leif >From: Örn Hansen <orn.hansen(a)swipnet.se> >To: suse-amd64(a)suse.com >Subject: Re: [suse-amd64] AMD64 and lib64 >Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:14:22 +0200 > >torsdag 03 juni 2004 01:54 skrev Roy Butler: > > Örn, > > > > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#LIB64 > > > > Read the rationale and you may agree it was the right thing to do. > > > > I understand the rationale, but I hardly agree with it. As of current, >64bit systems require more memory and cpu power, just run the system >because >of this rationale. You have both 32bit and 64bit libraries loaded and >running at the same time. I see this implementation, as a handicap. > > Ideally, the system should be able to allow the same program to use >either >32bit or 64bit libraries at will. Of course, this isn't so easy to do as >you >have 64bit values being passed to a program expecting 32bits. If it's a >pointer to an int, the problem is solved by the architecture itself (only >the >lower 32bits would be written by a 32bit program). I understand that this >ideal solution, is too hard to implement at this point in time. But on a >native 64bit system, my opinion is that 32bit libraries should not be the >norm. Regardless of the amount of 32bit programs around. As all programs >compiled for the architecture, will be 64bits unless otherwise specified >and >this "otherwise specified" gives ample room for alternative library >locations. > > > >-- >Check the List-Unsubscribe header to unsubscribe >For additional commands, email: suse-amd64-help(a)suse.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/

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SUSE 9.1 Professional Supply problem in Canada?
by Len Zaifman 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

My supplier for SUSE in Canada tells me: >> As you may have heard, SuSe Linux 9.1 suffers a nation-wide supply problem. >> We have no idea when the problem will be resolved and therefore cannot >> guarantee nor estimate the date wich we'll receive this product. >> >> Thank you for your understanding. Is there a problem nationwide in Canada ? Is there also a problem in the United States? I have some commitments for the end of the month and would like sometime to make sure all the pieces work in SUSE 9.1. Thanks.

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newbie packaging question
by Richard Kimber 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

I'm about to get a new dual opteron machine and move to Suse 9.1 Professional from Debian. The Suse will come pre-installed. I'm new to both smp and 64 bit, as well as Suse. I wonder if you could point me to some documentation that tells me which apps in the distribution are compiled as 64 bit - shall I need to compile them all myself, or are they all 64 bit? Will any 32 bit apps automatically be installed by a standard Suse install on that kind of machine? Ideally, with a completely clean machine, I'd like to try to keep the apps I use to 64 bit if it's possible (though I understand there will be 32 bit libraries) or is this just a pipe dream? Thanks. -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/

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My SuSE Professional 9.1 AMD64 experience so far
by Paul C. Leopardi 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

Hi all, As promised, here is a summary of my experience so far with SuSE Professional 9.1 AMD64. Best regards ---ooo--- Installation. 1. Default installation died with a segfault after installing software for about 20 minutes. Tried again with "apm=off acpi=off" and installation then succeeded through to initial boot. Used "apm=off acpi=off" on initial boot. Connection to YOU succeeded. During remainder of installation the system abruptly rebooted. Starting YaST after reboot caused another abrupt reboot. Rebooted using "noapic agp=off acpi=off apm=off". Ran YaST in Curses mode, and selected YOU. Updated software and updated the kernel to latest 2.6.4. [Stability problems have so far disappeared with 2.6.5 kernel. No longer need "noapic agp=off acpi=off apm=off".] 2. Display blinking and shuddering in framebuffer mode during bootup. [This seems to have stopped after I updated the kernel to 2.6.5.] 3. Installing TrueType fonts apparently hangs. [Fixed by editing fetchmsttfonts to prepend Japanese keihanna mirror to list of mirrors.] >diff -ub /var/lib/YaST2/you/scripts/fetchmsttfonts /root/bin/fetchmsttfonts --- /var/lib/YaST2/you/scripts/fetchmsttfonts 2004-05-29 12:22:17.000000000 +1000 +++ /root/bin/fetchmsttfonts 2004-05-29 12:32:37.000000000 +1000 @@ -61,7 +61,7 @@ pushd $tmpdir &> /dev/null for font in $FONTS; do - for i in aleron belnet csnet easynews flow heanet switch twtelecom umn unc; do + for i in keihanna aleron belnet csnet easynews flow heanet switch twtelecom umn unc; do archive=http://$i.$font file=`echo $archive|awk -F "/" '{print $NF}'` rm -f $file ---ooo--- Update to KDE 3.2.2 to match my previous SuSE 9.0 setup. Update to KDE 3.2.2 succeeded except for kdevelop3.0.3-7 which depends on libdb-4.1, which can't be found. [Fix may have to wait for FTP version of SuSE 9.1] ---ooo--- Restoring my home directory. This initially failed. I have /home on a separate partition. Before installing SuSE 9.1, I renamed /home to /homer (just in case). During installation I used a different partition for /. After installation I updated fstab to mount /homer and check, then renamed /homer to /home in fstab and remounted. This had all worked when I reinstalled SuSE 9.0, but failed for SuSE 9.1. Why? SuSE 9.1 has renumbered the users. My userid had been numbered 500 under SuSE 9.0 but SuSE 9.1 used 1000. Consequently, when I switch back to the old /home partition it did not work, because it did not recognize user 500 as me. I tried fixing this by changing the number of my userid to 500. This almost worked, but my previous logins had left files and directories owned by user 1000 in various places, especially in /tmp. I had to delete these before kdm and KDE would work correctly. Now KDE 3.2.2 works well. ---ooo--- Fonts. Anti-aliasing seems rougher than it was with SuSE 9.0. This could be because I am not yet running the nVIDIA graphics driver. Maybe sub-pixel hinting does not work in XFree86 4.3.99? Testing the segfault problems with GluCat. GluCat still segfaulted with kernel 2.6.4-54.5. Updated to KOTD, which is >uname -a Linux linfinit 2.6.5-7.61cvs20040528150002-default #1 Fri May 28 19:04:18 UTC 2004 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux GluCat has so far not segfaulted with this kernel. ---ooo--- 32-bit software. Maple will not install. Matlab will not run. This is a showstopper, but I will try to fix it, if possible, rather than revert to SuSE 9.0. ---ooo--- Other oddities so far. Sometimes Konqueror response seems sluggish for no apparent reason, eg. CPU usage is low. ---ooo--- Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, on a Gigabyte GA-K8NNXP motherboard, which uses the NVIDIA nForce3 150, plus an MSI FX5700-TD AGP graphics card, which uses the NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700.

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AMD64 and lib64
by Örn Hansen 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

I'm totally amazed, totally ... who was the "smart" guy who figured out, that on a 64bit system, the native libraries should be kept in a non-standard directory lib64???? Every program I stumble upon, is choking on this ... they all try to locate their "normal" libraries in /lib or /usr/lib and expect them to be 64bit. How come, this "smart" fellow didn't put non-native 32bit libraries as lib32 and 64bit native libraries where every-goddam-thing expects to find them?

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KDE loads 2 drivers for 1 soundcard ?!
by Franz Mach 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

Hello, i hope you don't matter if i post my next sound-related question here: Every time i start KDE it tries to load an ALSA sound driver even if there's already running an other driver (in my case OSS, i described in other mails here why i can't use ALSA ...) there allways appears a error message related to this in ttyS10 . I configured KDE in the controll center to use OSS and it works but how could i remove this ALSA dependencies or whatever tries to load ALSA completely ? I already removed all sound- configurations with YaST and disabled the ALSA modules before i installed OSS, so i don't understand why there are allways attempts to load it. I don't know if this problem is related to my esound problem i posted here, maybe ? best regards Franz SuSE 9.1 (amd64) Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de

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Kdevelop
by Örn Hansen 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

I'm unable to use Kdevelop with 9.1, first it doesn't find Qt libraries. And if modified to find them, it doesn't compile programs that were fully programmable with KDE 3.2 on SuSE 9.0. Anybody notice, or fixed this yet?

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question on running a 2.6 kernel on 9.0 AMD
by Joe Landman 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

Hi folks: I would like to get a recent 2.6 kernel going on a 9.0 installation. I am not sure if this would be harder than upgrading to 9.1, but I would like to give it a try. Do the RPMs indicated at ftp.suse.com/pub/people/aj/Kernel-AMD64/ work with 9.0, or do I need to upgrade to 9.1? Any thoughts? If I wanted to build from source, should I start with the .src or kernel-source rpm, and work from there (to get all the SuSE patches)? Building kernels with some other distro's RPMs can be a lesson in masochism, I just want to make sure I am starting out right here. Main purpose is to fix a customers issues with their 3ware card. Thanks! Joe -- Joe Landman <landman(a)scalableinformatics.com>

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X Window crash (Nvidia problem?)
by Johannes B. Ullrich 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

Well, I had X Window hang on my AMD64 system. Motherboard: MSI K8T800-FSIR One SATA drive (boot, /) connected to Promise SATA connector One ATA drive (not mounted by default) The video card is an MSI card with NVidia GeForce FX 5200] I am using the driver from NVidia (installed via YOU) Just around the time of the crash, I am seeing a number of messages like these: Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: Badness in pci_find_subsys at drivers/pci/search.c:167 Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: Call Trace:<IRQ> <ffffffff80209e43>{pci_find_subsys+83} <ffffffff80209f10>{pci_find_slot+48} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa0281830>{:nvidia:os_pci_init_handle+32} <ffffffffa029d69e>{:nvidia:_nv000904rm+24} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa0356eb4>{:nvidia:_nv002969rm+178} <ffffffff80209e43>{pci_find_subsys+83} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa03c51ff>{:nvidia:_nv001148rm+121} <ffffffffa03f34b0>{:nvidia:_nv000711rm+966} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa03735d7>{:nvidia:_nv001272rm+51} <ffffffffa037274c>{:nvidia:_nv001217rm+28} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa03f2eba>{:nvidia:_nv000704rm+46} <ffffffffa0355892>{:nvidia:_nv002988rm+438} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa03729e0>{:nvidia:_nv002809rm+16} <ffffffffa03bb62b>{:nvidia:_nv001452rm+65} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa03729b4>{:nvidia:_nv002811rm+16} <ffffffffa0411ccd>{:nvidia:_nv005219rm+1861} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa029e9ee>{:nvidia:_nv000719rm+62} <ffffffffa029ec73>{:nvidia:_nv000858rm+103} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa0353e25>{:nvidia:_nv002967rm+1907} <ffffffffa0372344>{:nvidia:_nv001214rm+112} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa029ee16>{:nvidia:_nv000884rm+16} <ffffffffa03c140b>{:nvidia:_nv001134rm+723} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffffa02a078e>{:nvidia:_nv005317rm+112} <ffffffffa02a212d>{:nvidia:rm_isr_bh+9} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffff801386fa>{tasklet_action+74} <ffffffff8013891b>{do_softirq+123} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffff80113391>{do_IRQ+257} <ffffffff8011091d>{ret_from_intr+0} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <EOI> <ffffffff80131a54>{thread_return+0} <ffffffff80110342>{system_call+26} Jun 2 08:28:22 mrburns kernel: <ffffffff801103a4>{system_call+124} Jun 2 08:28:24 mrburns kernel: VFS: busy inodes on changed media. Any ideas? hints? things to try to avoid this in the future? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Ullrich jullrich(a)euclidian.com pgp key: http://johannes.homepc.org/PGPKEYS contact: http://johannes.homepc.org/contact.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------- There are two kinds of system administrators: The first kind solves problems with little shell scripts. The second kind are the problem. ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [suse-amd64] advise to upgrade my java devpt workstation to desktop amd64 or opteron amd64
by sean-lynch＠sean-lynch.com 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

Slava, I apologize, I misyped your name in my message, please forgive me. Seán On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 05:22:30 -0700 (PDT), sean-lynch(a)sean-lynch.com wrote: > > Slave, > ...

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Re: [suse-amd64] advise to upgrade my java devpt workstation to desktop amd64 or opteron amd64
by sean-lynch＠sean-lynch.com 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

Slave, I have not used WSAD on my Athlon 64 yet, but I would advise 1 Gig minumum for Websphere alone. At work our websphere only workstations use 1 gig. The workstations with a Database running as well as WSAD get 2 or more gig. These are pentium iv, 3.0 GHz boxes. There are many ways to tune Websphere performance. Google is your friend. You will find most advice for tuning the performance of applications you create with webshere, but careful searching will give you sources for tuning WSAD studio. Websphere will take as much memory as you give it. this is partly due to the design of the IBM Java engine. As noted in this paper: http://www.bmu-beratung.com/BMU-Download/pews.pdf Here is an excerpt: "For the IBM Java virtual machines (JVMs) the size of the Java heap is controlled by the -Xmx parameter. So for example to limit the Java heap to a maximum size of 128 MB, you would add the following startup parameter -Xmx128M. If this parameter is not supplied, the default behavior for an IBM JVM is to set the maximum Java heap size to one half of the size of physical memory. If your computer had 512MB of physical memory, the Java heap for each Java process could grow to 256MB. Since the Java process requires memory for things other than the Java heap, like for storing byte codes, stack frames, native code, etc, the memory requirements for the entire Java process could exceed 256MB. This other memory is depicted as "Java Other" in the figures above, and it is not affected by the -Xmx parameter." So even going to 2 Gig, the JVM will take 1 Gig away, unless you limit it to less. Good Luck, Seán On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:41:33 +0200, slava zimine wrote: > > Hi to al & esp to Andreas Jaeger > > I'm seeking for advise to upgrade my workstation to amd64 platform. > > OS: suse 9.1 > > main usage: (ejb/servlet swt gui java development ) > > > typical session load: > Eclipse-gtk, or Websphere Dev Studio + > Jboss or WebSphere App Server or Tomcat + > oracle & mysql dbs + > vmware sometimes (with XP loaded ) > > Question: 1. what proc to choose ? > > 1 desktop Amd Athlon 64 3400 (2.2 GHz) > or > 2 x amd opteron 242 ( 1.6 Ghz) > > > Are there java performance gains when using opterons which will > justify +300$ price difference apart from a reason from sun that it will > ship a jvm tuned specifically for amd64 opteron? > > > 2. 1 or 2 Gig RAM Memory ? > on my current ahtlon 1400 , 768 Meg Ram the WebSphere App > Server takes almost 1.5 min to boot. I'd like to decrease this time > . > > > Thank you for you comments. > > > slz > > > > > -- > Check the List-Unsubscribe header to unsubscribe > For additional commands, email: suse-amd64-help(a)suse.com

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Enlightened Sound Demon broken in SuSE 9.1 ?
by Franz Mach 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

I'm not sure if my problem is related to the 64bit version or a general SuSE 9.1 issue, but as i'm using SuSE AMD64 i'll post it here: Related to my hardware i had to change to the OpenSoundSystem (OSS) to have sound because i had no chance to get ALSA running. The OSS is running with excellent sound quality but now i tried to use the Enlightened Sound Demon (esd) the first time and something very strange happened : uruk:/home/paco # esd - server format: sample rate = 48000 Hz audio_alsa: no cards found! uruk:/home/paco # even if i define the sound-device in spawn_options in the esd Config files what shouldn't be necessary it fails: uruk:/home/paco # esd - using device /dev/dsp0 - server format: sample rate = 48000 Hz ALSA lib pcm.c:1962:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp0 uruk:/home/paco # i know that esd normally works with OSS, i had this already running with SuSE 6.0 (!) - i have absolutely no idea why esd tries to open any non existent ALSA device - this seems to be a big riddle as i removed all sound devices with YaST2 and then i had disabled the ALSA kernel modules using the OSS soundconf ... Just for becoming sure that the problem isn't caused by OSS in any way i installed OSS on a other computer running Mandrake 10 (as far is i know the program versions are very similiar to SuSE 9.1) the esd works out off the box ... I'm really a bit confused now, my only explanation for that all is that the SuSE 9.1 esd seems to be broken in some way. Unfortunately i don't found a patch for it until nowwith YOU. Am i the first having this problem ? Please, could somebody tell me what is going on here ? best regards Franz Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de

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Enlightened Sound Demon broken in SuSE 9.1 ?
by Franz Mach 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

I'm not sure if my problem is related to the 64bit version or a general SuSE 9.1 issue, but as i'm using SuSE AMD64 i'll post it here: Related to my hardware i had to change to the OpenSoundSystem (OSS) to have sound because i had no chance to get ALSA running. The OSS is running with excellent sound quality but now i tried to use the Enlightened Sound Demon (esd) the first time and something very strange happened : uruk:/home/paco # esd - server format: sample rate = 48000 Hz audio_alsa: no cards found! uruk:/home/paco # even if i define the sound-device in spawn_options in the esd Config files what shouldn't be necessary it fails: uruk:/home/paco # esd - using device /dev/dsp0 - server format: sample rate = 48000 Hz ALSA lib pcm.c:1962:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp0 uruk:/home/paco # i know that esd normally works with OSS, i had this already running with SuSE 6.0 (!) - i have absolutely no idea why esd tries to open any non existent ALSA device - this seems to be a big riddle as i removed all sound devices with YaST2 and then i had disabled the ALSA kernel modules using the OSS soundconf ... Just for becoming sure that the problem isn't caused by OSS in any way i installed OSS on a other computer running Mandrake 10 (as far is i know the program versions are very similiar to SuSE 9.1) the esd works out off the box ... I'm really a bit confused now, my only explanation for that all is that the SuSE 9.1 esd seems to be broken in some way. Unfortunately i don't found a patch for it until nowwith YOU. Am i the first having this problem ? Please, could somebody tell me what is going on here ? best regards Franz Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de

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Cool & Quiet on Linux - How can I know it really works?
by Roger Jahns 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

Hi everybody, recently I was wondering if Cool & Quiet of my Athlon64 3200+ is working correctly on linux. /proc/cpuinfo shows me about 800 MHz cpu speed when the system is idle and about 2000 MHz under load. So my question is whether this information is enough to tell that Cool & Quiet is working. The board is a Gigabyte K8N Pro with bios version F11, cpu stepping is 8. On Gigabyte's website I found no hint that Cool & Quiet is actually supposed to work, so I didn't try it on windoze. But, hey, on linux (SuSE 9.1 Pro) it works out of the box as it seems. Am I right, or does /proc/cpuinfo only show what speed the processor is supposed to run at and not what it is currently running? Here is some more information from /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq: for i in *; do echo $i; cat $i; done ==> cpuinfo_max_freq 2000000 cpuinfo_min_freq 800000 scaling_available_frequencies 2000000 1800000 800000 scaling_available_governors userspace performance scaling_driver powernow-k8 scaling_governor userspace scaling_max_freq 2000000 scaling_min_freq 800000 scaling_setspeed 800000 Cheers, Roger -- Roger Jahns

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RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan
by Richard Mixon (qwest) 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Yes, U320 SCSI is WAY,WAY faster that SATA. That is my experience using Java web applications. This is not a pure U320 SCSI versus SATA comparison. But on our production server with U320 SCSI, Intel RAID controller and 3 x 15000 rpm drives, database queries are almost 5 to 10 times faster than on a workstation with single SATA drive. The SCSI is in a minimal RAID-5 configuration (i.e. only 3 disks). The production server has dual Opteron 240 chips (1.4Ghz), the test box has an AMD Athlon 2500 (about 2Ghz). First, the scsi bus can handle IO to multiple disks at one time. Second you've got (usually one) 320MHZ bus versus a 150MHZ bus. True, each SATA drive has 150MHZ. Third,I would imagine, there has been a lot more time and money invested in optimizing drivers for the SCSI controllers, otherwise folks would not buy them. SCSI is expensive, but not that much more expensive than the equivalent SATA equipment. SATA's costs can be deceiving. To get drives of the same caliber as SCSI drives you have to go to the Western Digital Raptor drives - they spin at 10,000 rpm - a 74MB drive is about US $206. A similar drive in U320 SCSI is about US $256, but you can also get a 15000 rpm drive for about US $500. The inexpensive BIOS/software RAID chips (card or motherboard) have no processor chip and no RAM CACHE. They simply do not compare performance-wise to real hardware RAID. Actually Linux software RAID usually performs better than the RAID drivers that these chips come with - there are a number of posts that have the results to prove this. However a good SATA RAID controller with its own CPU and RAM is not really cheaper for SATA then SCSI. A 3Ware 8506-4LP SATA RAID controller costs about US $340, the 8506-8LP costs about US $500. Adaptec U320 SCSI RAID controller are around US $400 for a single channel card and about US $600 for a dual channel card (2 SCSI busses that can handle 15 devices each). I am sure there's someone with more precise technical data, but I hope this helps. If you need performance and you can affort the incremental costs, go SCSI. - Richard -----Original Message----- From: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws [mailto:rrpalma@synopsis.ws] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:32 AM To: skarsch(a)s1.karsch-net.de Cc: Richard Mixon (qwest); suse-amd64(a)suse.com Subject: RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Hello Don, Thanks for your reply. You're absolutely right; that's the IBM I'm referring to. What memory are you using on your S2885? Please pardon my ignorance, but is it right to assume that U320 SCSI is faster than SATA? Regards, _____________________________ Ricardo R Palma SYNOPSIS SA Tel. (+51 1) 275-7523, 275-4708 email: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws www.synopsis.ws "Pettini, Don" <don(a)healthmetrics.org> 05/31/2004 02:18 PM To "Richard Mixon (qwest)" <rnmixon(a)qwest.net>, <suse-amd64(a)suse.com> cc Subject RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Hi Richard, The system you are referring to is the 1u rackmount 325. The new system referenced by Ricardo is a new Dual Opteron desk-side unit called the Intellistation A Pro. This station can come with a choice of Nvidia cards(Quadro Pro 1100 or 3000), U320 SCSI, Firewire onboard, 1Gb Ethernet onboard, DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW. I custom built a dual 246 using Tyan S2885, which is a great workstation, very fast. I have 3 PCI-x SCSI adapters on it and all work great, though a little fussy about PCI scan order on boot. I now have 1.5TB on the system and I/O performance is exceptional as compared with the older Xeon I had. If you are looking for a workstation, either this board, or the IBM Intellstation A Pro are great workhorses. Don -----Original Message----- From: Richard Mixon (qwest) [mailto:rnmixon@qwest.net] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:05 PM To: suse-amd64(a)suse.com Subject: RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Given you are looking at a workstation, this may or may not help. We had the same decision to make last November/December when buying our application server (Java web apps). We liked the IBM, but the kicker was its 1U rack case only had space for two disk drives. It was certainly more expensive, but not unreasonably so, given IBM's (usually) excellent support. You had to buy an external disk array to expand storage. The lack of drive slots caused us to go with a Tyan Thunder S2880 based system. Although we have built many ADM/Intel boxes, the Opteron/AMD64 is new enough that we decided to let Monarch Computing build it for us. Their assembly/burnin charge is absolutely a bargain - around US $65 if I remember correctly. Given the issues we had with RAID and the SCSI drives, we are very glad we did. We tried the more recent S2882 with buildin SCSI/RAID but it would not work with SLES 8. All in all, Monarch's support has been excellent. I will probably put together our next Opteron test server. However it will be pretty basic compared to our production servers. Still, if you can afford the IBM, I would go for it - you know the video and everything is integrated and works. Hope this helps. - Richard -----Original Message----- From: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws [mailto:rrpalma@synopsis.ws] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:12 AM To: suse-amd64(a)suse.com Subject: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Hello List, We need to acquire a dual Opteron workstation. Our choices are: - Build one ourselves , based on Tyan's Thunder K8W (S2885), with dual Opteron's 250, SATA drives, and nVidia 5950 card - Buy an IBM Intellistation A Pro with dual Opteron's 248, Ultra320SCSI drives, and nVidia Quadro FX 1100 Thanks for your suggestions, _____________________________ Ricardo R Palma SYNOPSIS SA Tel. (+51 1) 275-7523, 275-4708 email: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws www.synopsis.ws -- Check the List-Unsubscribe header to unsubscribe For additional commands, email: suse-amd64-help(a)suse.com -- Check the List-Unsubscribe header to unsubscribe For additional commands, email: suse-amd64-help(a)suse.com

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After installing 9.1, can no longer install Maple 9.0.3
by Paul C. Leopardi 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hi all, I have now finally obtained and installed SUDE LINUX Profressional 9.1, and am now re-installing some 32-bit software. The Maple 9.0.3 installer linux32 ./LinuxUpgrade.bin gives the error message: Error occurred during initialization of VM Unable to load native library: /tmp/install.dir.10080/Linux/resource/jre/lib/i386/libjava.so: symbol __libc_wait, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference I tried various combinations of export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1; linux32 ./LinuxUpgrade.bin export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.21; linux32 ./LinuxUpgrade.bin with no luck. What next? Linux linfinit 2.6.5-7.61cvs20040528150002-default #1 Fri May 28 19:04:18 UTC 2004 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux Best regards

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Dual Opteron and SATA
by rrpalma＠synopsis.ws 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hello all, I might be wrong, but I think I saw somewhere that SuSE 9.1 and the Tyan Thunder K8W (S2885) motherboard do not support SATA? Is this right? _____________________________ Ricardo R Palma SYNOPSIS SA Tel. (+51 1) 275-7523, 275-4708 email: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws www.synopsis.ws

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IBM or Tyan
by rrpalma＠synopsis.ws 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hello List, We need to acquire a dual Opteron workstation. Our choices are: - Build one ourselves , based on Tyan's Thunder K8W (S2885), with dual Opteron's 250, SATA drives, and nVidia 5950 card - Buy an IBM Intellistation A Pro with dual Opteron's 248, Ultra320SCSI drives, and nVidia Quadro FX 1100 Thanks for your suggestions, _____________________________ Ricardo R Palma SYNOPSIS SA Tel. (+51 1) 275-7523, 275-4708 email: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws www.synopsis.ws

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RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan
by Pettini, Don 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hi Richard, The system you are referring to is the 1u rackmount 325. The new system referenced by Ricardo is a new Dual Opteron desk-side unit called the Intellistation A Pro. This station can come with a choice of Nvidia cards(Quadro Pro 1100 or 3000), U320 SCSI, Firewire onboard, 1Gb Ethernet onboard, DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW. I custom built a dual 246 using Tyan S2885, which is a great workstation, very fast. I have 3 PCI-x SCSI adapters on it and all work great, though a little fussy about PCI scan order on boot. I now have 1.5TB on the system and I/O performance is exceptional as compared with the older Xeon I had. If you are looking for a workstation, either this board, or the IBM Intellstation A Pro are great workhorses. Don -----Original Message----- From: Richard Mixon (qwest) [mailto:rnmixon@qwest.net] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:05 PM To: suse-amd64(a)suse.com Subject: RE: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Given you are looking at a workstation, this may or may not help. We had the same decision to make last November/December when buying our application server (Java web apps). We liked the IBM, but the kicker was its 1U rack case only had space for two disk drives. It was certainly more expensive, but not unreasonably so, given IBM's (usually) excellent support. You had to buy an external disk array to expand storage. The lack of drive slots caused us to go with a Tyan Thunder S2880 based system. Although we have built many ADM/Intel boxes, the Opteron/AMD64 is new enough that we decided to let Monarch Computing build it for us. Their assembly/burnin charge is absolutely a bargain - around US $65 if I remember correctly. Given the issues we had with RAID and the SCSI drives, we are very glad we did. We tried the more recent S2882 with buildin SCSI/RAID but it would not work with SLES 8. All in all, Monarch's support has been excellent. I will probably put together our next Opteron test server. However it will be pretty basic compared to our production servers. Still, if you can afford the IBM, I would go for it - you know the video and everything is integrated and works. Hope this helps. - Richard -----Original Message----- From: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws [mailto:rrpalma@synopsis.ws] Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:12 AM To: suse-amd64(a)suse.com Subject: [suse-amd64] IBM or Tyan Hello List, We need to acquire a dual Opteron workstation. Our choices are: - Build one ourselves , based on Tyan's Thunder K8W (S2885), with dual Opteron's 250, SATA drives, and nVidia 5950 card - Buy an IBM Intellistation A Pro with dual Opteron's 248, Ultra320SCSI drives, and nVidia Quadro FX 1100 Thanks for your suggestions, _____________________________ Ricardo R Palma SYNOPSIS SA Tel. (+51 1) 275-7523, 275-4708 email: rrpalma(a)synopsis.ws www.synopsis.ws -- Check the List-Unsubscribe header to unsubscribe For additional commands, email: suse-amd64-help(a)suse.com

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kernel update
by Franz Mach 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hi, I want to update the SuSE kernel from 2.6.4-52 to 2.6.4.54 with YOU. Is it necessary to reinstall drivers as nvida or oss after that ? (maybe a naiv question but i never updated the kernel before ;-) best regards Franz Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de

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quick patch request for SuSE 9.0 AMD 3ware users
by Joe Landman 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hi Folks: I wanted to let you know that the 3ware drivers in 9.0 are somewhat out of date. Also, under 9.0 AMD, there is a simple bug in sd.c with regards to signed vs unsigned ints, which limits the size of the SCSI disk system to under 1 TB (1 TB - 1 byte will work, but 1 TB will overflow). See https://www.3ware.com/kbadmin/attachments/sd.c.patch for the patch to sd.c, and look at the knowledgebase article "Q10753 - Software Configuration: Does 3ware have support for 64-bit Linux operating systems?" on http://www.3ware.com/KB/kb.asp. They mention 'There is a bug with 64-bit Linux 2.4 kernels where SCSI disk targets greater than 1 Terabyte in capacity cannot be accessed beyond one Terabyte (1 TByte). The resultant output for the error is: "I/O error: device 08:00 sector X" ' Please include the latest 3ware drivers and the this patch for 9.0 AMD64 kernels if possible. Thanks! Joe -- Joe Landman <landman(a)scalableinformatics.com>

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