openSUSE Xfce October 2018

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[opensuse-xfce] How to make suggestions or add packages to xfce pattern?
by Maurizio Galli 28 Oct '18

28 Oct '18

Hello Everyone, I wanted to ask what is the best way to make suggestions to the xfce pattern? Should I just branch it and submit via obs like any other package? I would like to suggest all or any of the following changes if possible: - add menulibre - replace leafpad with mousepad (mousepad is the default text editor for xfce) - replace evince with xreader (it's a fork of evince but with menubar instead of csd thus integrates better in xfce aesthetics) - replace shotwell with pix (fork of gthumb) - replace file-roller with engrampa (fork of file-roller with menubar) - replace totem with parole (parole is an xfce app) Some of the changes are maybe just for aesthetic reasons to make the default openSUSE Xfce desktop look more unified. Please let me know what you think as I don't know the reason and history of the current software selection. Best regards, Maurizio Maurizio Galli (MauG) Hong Kong -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-xfce] How to make suggestions or add packages to xfce pattern?
by Stefan Seyfried 25 Oct '18

25 Oct '18

Hi Maurizio, Am 25.10.18 um 12:10 schrieb Maurizio Galli: > Hello Stefan, > Thank you for your answer. > > The history of the software selection is "I took over what Guido >> Berhoerster left behind and try to not break anthing by avoiding touching >> things as far as possible" :-) > > > I also don't wanna break anything of course :P. I didn't want to imply that. It was more a "I did not touch patterns when I could avoid it, because it does not affect me anyway" :-) > I don't think changing the > programs will do so, as long as apps keep being maintained as it's > currently the case. However, if the pattern is changed, users relying on > the pattern and recommended packages will eventually get the new software > installed with `zypper dup`. This has to be taken into account and maybe > done gradually rather than all at once, as it may annoy somebody. > Therefore your suggestion to bring this discussion to Factory could be a > good idea. I think a majority of TW users use "--no-recommends", but we can announce on -factory what packages we recommend to install. > I also filed a Bugzilla request because I was suggested to do so on > Discord: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1112889 > I don't know how useful this report is as the pattern is maintained in > X11:xfce. Thus I believe it's up to you and the other maintainers to make > the call on its changes. I think so, too :-) > How can I link this thread to the Factory mailing list? Don't. Just announce on factory what you are going to do: "I'll submit an updated xfce-patterns package, with these changes...". Don't request discussion (people will discuss anyway ;-)), but just state it as fact. If a discussion starts, we can see what we can take from that, if not just go ahead with your changes. Then submit your changes in OBS and I and / or Takashi will review them (note: I'm on vacation next week, so my latency will be high) and accept them. Best regards, -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-xfce] How to make suggestions or add packages to xfce pattern?
by Maurizio Galli 24 Oct '18

24 Oct '18

Dear Eion, Thank you, I appreciate your feedback on this. I’m also a long time Xfce user although not in openSUSE. I only recently made the switch and made small contributions to it so I'm still fairly new to how things are decided. Please allow me to clarify my point of view: > I would leave Evince in the selection > I would leave Shotwell in the selection > I would leave Totem in the selection > These work well at present and are also available on other systems. I am not denying that they work well however I made the suggestions because since the introduction of Gnome Client Side Decoration aka CSD, these apps no longer blend into Xfce look and feel. As a result the X-Apps I listed were born, which are in fact forks of GNOME apps, targeting Xfce, Mate and Cinnamon (with the exception of Parole, which is a native Xfce app). Now although I may understand the resistance in changing things that just work, l would still consider these apps because they are in fact available on other systems and do work as well as the originals. Plus all of them are already in the openSUSE distribution. > I would leave Leafpad in the selection I simply think Mousepad should be default as it is in any other main Xfce system. I do believe that what I suggested could make the current Xfce experience better, especially for newbies coming from other distros. I hope what I said makes sense and that it's worth some thinking, regardless of things changing or staying the as they are. Maurizio Galli (MauG) Hong Kong PS: I re-added the mailing list to cc for the sake of having an open discussion about it, if anyone wants to chip in. Maurizio Galli Hong Kong +852 6333 2508 maurizio.galli(a)gmail.com http://hk.linkedin.com/in/gallimaurizio On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 4:54 PM Imap_eionmac(a)btinternet.com <eionmac(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > > To Maurizio Galli, > Dear sir, > 20181023 > Re: [opensuse-xfce] How to make suggestions or add packages to xfce pattern? > > > I would leave Leafpad in the selection > I would leave Evince in the selection > I would leave Shotwell in the selection > I would leave Totem in the selection > These work well at present and are also available on other systems. > > I would suggest you leave as is. i am along time XCFE user in openSUSE > > Regards > Eion MacDonald > > > On 23/10/2018 07:20, Maurizio Galli wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > I wanted to ask what is the best way to make suggestions to the xfce > pattern? Should I just branch it and submit via obs like any other > package? > > I would like to suggest all or any of the following changes if possible: > - add menulibre > - replace leafpad with mousepad (mousepad is the default text editor for xfce) > - replace evince with xreader (it's a fork of evince but with menubar > instead of csd thus integrates better in xfce aesthetics) > - replace shotwell with pix (fork of gthumb) > - replace file-roller with engrampa (fork of file-roller with menubar) > - replace totem with parole (parole is an xfce app) > > Some of the changes are maybe just for aesthetic reasons to make the > default openSUSE Xfce desktop look more unified. > Please let me know what you think as I don't know the reason and > history of the current software selection. > Best regards, > Maurizio > > > Maurizio Galli (MauG) > > Hong Kong > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner(a)opensuse.org

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