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[opensuse-es] [OT] C++ en el kernel Linux (era Quitar la sombra del texto en los iconos del escritorio)
by Juan Erbes 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

El día 13 de diciembre de 2008 14:54, Shinji Ikari escribió: > Sobre el enlace que pase: > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/c-or-pure-c-for-linux- > kernel-module-linux-device-driver-development.-what-to-use-353924/ > > estoy.. intentando acabar con el post pero.... estoy mas perdido que en las > clases de computación gráfica. Si es que pueden entender lo que describen allí > vale. =P > Del los link que posteaste, dentro de la pagina hay uno que apunta a: http://netlab.ru.is/exception/LinuxCXX.shtml C++ in the Linux Kernel We have implemented a complete kernel level run-time support for C++ in the Linux kernel. In particular our run-time support enables the full use of C++ exceptions in the Linux kernel, but notably also includes support for global constructors and destructors, and dynamic type checking. Our kernel level support is based on open source commodity components, specifically the GNU gcc/g++ compiler and its exception implementation, the C++ ABI version independent standard interface. Currently only the i386 architecture is supported. Furthermore the kernel patch has only been tested with gcc version 3.3.3, and (with the 0.0.3 release) 3.4.3 Release Notes for version 0.0.3 C++ runtime support for 2.6.6, version 0.0.3 (Last update 26 January 2005) C++ runtime support for 2.6.9, version 0.0.3 (Last update 26 January 2005) C++ runtime support for 2.6.10, version 0.0.3 (Last update 26 January 2005) Using the C++ runtime support for Linux Installing the C++ runtime support for Linux The code is installed by applying a patch to the Linux kernel and enables the full use of C++ using the GNU g++ compiler. Programmers that have used C++ in Linux kernel modules have primarily been using classes and virtual functions, but not global constructors. dynamic type checking and exceptions. Using even this small part of C++ requires each programmer to write some supporting routines. Using the rest of C++ includes porting the C++ ABI that accompanies GNU g++ to the Linux kernel, and to enable global constructors and destructors. The implementation of the C++ ABI is based on the implementation provided with the source of the GNU g++ compiler. We modified it to run in kernel space, and performed optimizations that reduces the cost of exceptions and dynamic cast considerably. Our paper contains thorough explanations of these optimizations. The cost of throwing an exception one level on a 990 MHz Intel Pentium is around 12-13 micro seconds in the plain GNU g++ implementation, which we reduced to 2.1 micro seconds by modifying the runtime library, including unwinding the stack in one phase, and caching information on exception paths. In contrast the cost of a trivial printk operation -- printk("Error\n") -- is 18 micro seconds. In addition, we modified the linux kernel module loader to handle C++ weak symbols correctly. GNU g++ associates with each class a type information object that encodes the type of the class as a mangled string and puts a pointer to this object in the virtual table for the class. GNU g++ uses weak symbols to reduce the dynamic type checking to a pointer comparison, thus avoiding the more expensive string comparison. Each time a class, containing virtual functions, is used in a source file, GNU g++ generates the virtual table, type information object and type name string as weak symbols and the user space linker ensures that there is only one copy of this object, which renders the simple pointer comparison sufficient. However, the kernel module loader, which in the 2.6 versions of the kernel is exclusively in kernel space, does not handle these weak symbols correctly and always relocates references to weak symbols to the weak definition within each object file that is being loaded. Therefore multiple type information objects may exist for the same class and pointer comparison becomes insufficient when doing dynamic type check across kernel modules. To avoid this overhead we have modified the kernel module loader to handle these weak symbols; the first time a weak symbol is encountered it is added to the symbol map, and on subsequent encounters the relocation is done to the first symbol. Paper: Exceptional Kernel: Using C++ exceptions in the Linux kernel Halldor Isak Gylfason, Gisli Hjalmtysson Submitted for publication October 2004 Abstract Full version ____________________________________________________________________ Me faltó para cerrar el tema, citar laopinión de Linus Torvalds al respecto: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57643/focus=57918 From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds <at> linux-foundation.org> Subject: Re: [RFC] Convert builin-mailinfo.c to use The Better String Library. Newsgroups: gmane.comp.version-control.git Date: 2007-09-06 17:50:28 GMT (1 year, 14 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours and 27 minutes ago) On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Dmitry Kakurin wrote: > > When I first looked at Git source code two things struck me as odd: > 1. Pure C as opposed to C++. No idea why. Please don't talk about portability, > it's BS. *YOU* are full of bullshit. C++ is a horrible language. It's made more horrible by the fact that a lot of substandard programmers use it, to the point where it's much much easier to generate total and utter crap with it. Quite frankly, even if the choice of C were to do *nothing* but keep the C++ programmers out, that in itself would be a huge reason to use C. In other words: the choice of C is the only sane choice. I know Miles Bader jokingly said "to piss you off", but it's actually true. I've come to the conclusion that any programmer that would prefer the project to be in C++ over C is likely a programmer that I really *would* prefer to piss off, so that he doesn't come and screw up any project I'm involved with. C++ leads to really really bad design choices. You invariably start using the "nice" library features of the language like STL and Boost and other total and utter crap, that may "help" you program, but causes: - infinite amounts of pain when they don't work (and anybody who tells me that STL and especially Boost are stable and portable is just so full of BS that it's not even funny) - inefficient abstracted programming models where two years down the road you notice that some abstraction wasn't very efficient, but now all your code depends on all the nice object models around it, and you cannot fix it without rewriting your app. In other words, the only way to do good, efficient, and system-level and portable C++ ends up to limit yourself to all the things that are basically available in C. And limiting your project to C means that people don't screw that up, and also means that you get a lot of programmers that do actually understand low-level issues and don't screw things up with any idiotic "object model" crap. So I'm sorry, but for something like git, where efficiency was a primary objective, the "advantages" of C++ is just a huge mistake. The fact that we also piss off people who cannot see that is just a big additional advantage. If you want a VCS that is written in C++, go play with Monotone. Really. They use a "real database". They use "nice object-oriented libraries". They use "nice C++ abstractions". And quite frankly, as a result of all these design decisions that sound so appealing to some CS people, the end result is a horrible and unmaintainable mess. But I'm sure you'd like it more than git. Linus __________________________________________________________ "CADA REGLA TIENE SU EXCEPCION" Por algo el articulo de arriba, habla de "excepciones". Salu2

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[opensuse-es] Actualizar KDE.
by Mauro Antivero 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

Hola gente cómo les va? Mi consulta es la siguiente. Tengo en una PC OS11 con KDE 3.5.9 y en otra OS11 con KDE 4.0.4. Mi intención es pasar la primera a 3.5.10 y la segunda a 4.1.3 (que creo que es la última estable de la serie 4.1). Lo primero que hago es entonces buscar en las actualizaciones del sistema, pero me aparecen solo paquetes de la serie 3.5.9 o 4.0.4 según sea el caso. Estimo entonces que debo tener que toquetear los repositorios, es así o me equivoco? Me podrían dar una mano? Desde ya muchas gracias. -- Para dar de baja la suscripciÃ³n, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org Para obtener el resto de direcciones-comando, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-es] Instalar Amarok 2 en OS11
by Mauro Antivero 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

Se puede instalar el Amarok 2 en OS11.0? Por lo menos en los repositorios que tengo seleccionados el último que me aparece es el 1.4. Es más que nada un capricho el querer instalarlo, el 1.4 anda realmente bien. Saludos y gracias. -- Para dar de baja la suscripciÃ³n, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org Para obtener el resto de direcciones-comando, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-es] Problema con squid
by Antonio Moreno 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

Hola Tengo squid con squidGuard, tengo abiertas para unas ips unas determinadas paginas web. De toas estas paginas web solo se me ven unas cuantas paginas otras me salen bloqueadas. En la instruccion tengo "pass permitidas none", para que asi solo me deje entrar en las que quiero. En la bbdd permitidas tengo por ejemplo terra y google a google me deja entrar pero a terra no. Alguien sabe por que me puede pasar. Un saludo -- Para dar de baja la suscripciÃ³n, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org Para obtener el resto de direcciones-comando, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-es] Programa contabilidad GPL KEME
by francisco f 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

Parece que van saliendo mejores programas para estas cosas y usuarios normales. http://keme.sourceforge.net/index.html A ver cuando un cad decentillo -- Para dar de baja la suscripción, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org Para obtener el resto de direcciones-comando, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-es] OT Semi PGP
by Nacho 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

Digo semi ot por que es bajo opensue. Alguien conoce de un buen guiaburros, manual, o similar sobre el firmado de mensajes, como se deben utilizar las claves, de donde se obtienen, como se envian, etc, etc He visto que "alguien en la lista" las usa, quizas el... Gracias. /Nacho -- Para dar de baja la suscripciÃ³n, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org Para obtener el resto de direcciones-comando, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-es] Proxy transparente en openSUSE 11.0 (Era: Características de la versión 11.1)
by Camaleón 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

2008/11/25, Roberto José Blandino Cisneros: (cambio de hilo...) > Mi duda es, Que provoca que mediante transparencia no logre funcionar > bien, si cuando usaba opensuse 10.3 no habia dicho problema. Squid3 > tendra confilctos? tengo que regresar a squid2? En la lista inglesa comentaban algo... [opensuse] Squid 3.0 Problem <http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-11/msg00755.html> Mira a ver si es tu caso :-? Saludos, -- Camaleón -- Para dar de baja la suscripciÃ³n, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org Para obtener el resto de direcciones-comando, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-es] Instalar OpenSUSE en SONY VAIO VGN-NR130FE
by Hernan Ceron Angeles 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

OpenSUSE soporta todos los drivers para este tipo de notebook?? -- Para dar de baja la suscripciÃ³n, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org Para obtener el resto de direcciones-comando, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-es] [OT] El chiste del año
by Quique 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

Reenvío que me ha rebotado (¿no se puede mandar en html?) El 16 de diciembre de 2008 11:59, Quique escribió: > > Del diccionario de la RAE (negritas mías): > > gallego, ga. > > (Del lat. Gallaecus). > > 1. adj. Natural de Galicia. U. t. c. s. > > 2. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a esta comunidad autónoma de España. > > 3. adj. En Castilla, se dice del viento cauro o noroeste, que viene de la parte de Galicia. U. t. c. s. > > 4. adj. Ant., Arg., Col. y Ur. Dicho de una persona: Nacida en España o de ascendencia española. U. t. c. s. > > (...) > > :) > -- Para dar de baja la suscripciÃ³n, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org Para obtener el resto de direcciones-comando, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-es] [OT] ¿Ya vieron los pajaritos?
by Alberto Vicat 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1081146 Saludos -- Para dar de baja la suscripción, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org Para obtener el resto de direcciones-comando, mande un mensaje a: opensuse-es+help(a)opensuse.org

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