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Reminder: Heroes meeting on Tuesday
by Christian Boltz 04 May '21

04 May '21

Hello, the next heroes meeting will be on Tuesday (2021-05-04 ) at 18:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST in https://meet.opensuse.org/heroes https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/90728 already contains the usual topics - feel free to add things you want to discuss ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Die Jungs von FreePascal portieren zur Zeit auf alles was nach Prozessor aussieht oder Prozessor im Namen hat ;-) [Gerald Goebel in suse-programming]

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[heroes] suse.com in bugmail; dates missing in list archives
by Felix Miata 18 Apr '21

18 Apr '21

Per Jessen composed on 2021-04-17 09:07 (UTC+0200): > https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1184413 Shame, shame, shame. >:-( https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/ is the only BZ root URL that should show up on an openSUSE mailing list. Could the list software be made to convert suse.com to opensuse.org before sending list mails? openSUSE lists are about the openSUSE project and distribution, so anything outside that, no matter how important it might be for Linux generally, or the world generally, is, in general, unwelcome. Unwelcome arguably includes links incorporating bugzilla.netiq.com, bugzilla.novell.com and bugzilla.suse.com. While those will usually provide the desired content, users are better served by equivalent links incorporating the project name. Bugzilla.opensuse.org presents a skin compatible with the rest of the openSUSE project that won't pause or perplex a new user finding such link via a context other than receiving the email, and won't frustrate openSUSE users with multiple links to the same destination among search results. BTW, the hyperkitty archive is miserable, miserable miserable. These are just a few of the ways: 1-I'm searching for the archive copy for a particular date. There are no dates to see without hovering, the same problem in many bug trackers. Ago "dates" are just awful. 2-semi-visible #999 text. I need to scan (which means I need to see) through dates without hovering to find what I'm looking for in a busy list. 3-posts are not shown as they looked in their original form. They're scrunched into a portion of window width that supports less than 80 characters, causing most post lines to display wrapped, with more whitespace width on either side of the posts than the width devoted to posts. 4-10 posts returned by default is far too few. 100 posts produces the same problem as download.opensuse.org file listings: 6831669 bytes just in HTML in the current page I have open, more than 10X that of a typical bloated web page, and this not counting bytes in CSS or JS files or in images. 5-Those numbered icons to the right of synopses, under the agos, are useless bloat. Why are they there? What are they good for? 6-Ditto for the icons left of synopses. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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Reminder: Heroes meeting on Tuesday
by Christian Boltz 07 Apr '21

07 Apr '21

Hello, the next heroes meeting will be on Tuesday (2021-04-06) at 18:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST on https://meet.opensuse.org/heroes Note: with Europe switching to summer time, the UTC time changed to 18:00. As usual, please add the topics you want to discuss to https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/89365 Regards, Christian Boltz -- #The code is SOOOO bad, I don't even WANT any copyright. # Just steal it and stop laughing. :-p [found on http://www.houghi.org/script/pizza.houghi]

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2021-04-06 meeting minutes
by Christian Boltz 06 Apr '21

06 Apr '21

Hello, here are the minutes of today's heroes meeting: community questions and answers * some questions around DNF - not exactly infrastructure related, but answered nevertheless ;-) status reports * lcp has created lots of (~3M redirects, 340 MB file size) redirects for the old mailinglist archive * lists.o.o now supports login with other idendity providers (for example github) * matterbridge (IRC - matrix bridge) setup done * pagure updated, default branch is now "main", user namespaces enabled * noggin, freeipa-fas, etc. for new openSUSE Accounts packaged for Fedora+EPEL for account system VMs * forums migration: saltstates prepared, MR will follow in the next days, actual switch and upgrade planned for April 15th (forums will be read-only or down during this time) * ipsilon updated, some patches to upstream * mod_perl on bugzilla enabled, major performance improvements * move maintainer.zq1.de to pinot.i.o.o? * do we want/need containers? First find usecases, then think about using AWS or setup kubic * several DNS zones moved from FreeIPA to chip.i.o.o (powerdns), but not all (for example, infra.o.o is still on FreeIPA, and chip no longer answering queries for infra.o.o caused some problems) - TODO: move all zones to chip * making the salt repo public - no objections in the meeting, send out a mail to be sure * code.o.o needs a way to run CI on jenkins (until then, the salt repo on code.o.o will be read-only) Regards, Christian Boltz -- > Please see the duplicated mail as kmail's vote to make > thunderbird default ;-( And some people say that Kmail is good for nothing. :-)) [> Stephan Kulow and Ken Schneider in opensuse-factory]

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[heroes] has list email suffered some new configuration in recent days?
by Felix Miata 31 Mar '21

31 Mar '21

I haven't changed anything in my email setup, or updated SeaMonkey version, but some email from openSUSE, Debian and Fedora lists lately is causing SeaMonkey to disable the droplist button that enables selection of reply-to-list. I'm forced to reply-all, then deselect the post author's email address. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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Re: MirrorBrain?
by Bernhard M. Wiedemann 30 Mar '21

30 Mar '21

On 30/03/2021 11.08, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > On Thu 2021-03-18, medwinz wrote: >> My logic is simple, mirrors cannot catch up with the new release if >> several major updates happen at nearly the same time. > > That, plus the timing of announcements also makes a difference. > > Not everyone here probably follows the factory@ list closely (I, > too, read project@ more regularly), so allow me to share a change > Bernhard has recently made which should also help. > > Thank you, Bernhard! For the record, here is what I found during debugging: After the previous full rebuilds, download.opensuse.org IPv6 address had ~50% packet loss for several hours. My nagios[1] has reported this at 2021-02-16 12:20 UTC (20210212 glibc rebuild published) 2021-03-08 11:25 UTC (20210307 glibc rebuild published) 2021-03-12 18:35 UTC (20210311 KDE update published) 2021-03-13 10:37 UTC (still fallout from 20210311?) 2021-03-13 18:09 UTC (still fallout from 20210311?) On the download.o.o VM, top showed ksoftirqd very busy at 98% CPU and several active rsyncd processes using the CPU. This indicates that syncing to the mirrors was still ongoing and that probably also slowed mirrorbrain mirror scans, so that more traffic was directed towards the downloadcontent.o.o site which happens to be the same machine as mirrorbrain (just another IP). All that syncing, scanning and downloading slowed each other down. Apart from the longer publish delay for large Tumbleweed snapshots, I plan to push the setup of the new widehat.o.o machine, so that it can act as a fallback mirror most of the time and relieve downloadcontent.o.o bandwidth. Ciao Bernhard M. [1] http://nagios.zq1.de/nagios4 => http://nagios.zq1.de/cgi-bin/nagios4/extinfo.cgi?type=1&host=oodownload > ==== forwarded message ==== > From: Bernhard M. Wiedemann <bernhardout(a)lsmod.de> > To: factory(a)lists.opensuse.org > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:09:28 +0200 > Subject: factory publish delay [was New Tumbleweed snapshot 20210325] > > > 20210325 was the first large snapshot to trigger my new logic for a > longer publish delay (6h instead of 2h). > > The publisher became active when the repo age was 22203 s > and the repo rsync log had 32114 lines and 2091370 byte. > > This time, download.o.o seems to have had a much better time handling > the load than with previous full rebuilds. Though this seems to have > been only a partial rebuild because there are 62802 entries in factory/repo > > Medium-term we can do more fine-tuning to balance publish delay vs load > of download.o.o > > > Ciao > Bernhard M.

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[heroes] Someone please make an English version of this
by Felix Miata 16 Mar '21

16 Mar '21

https://es.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_Optimus I'm having no luck figuring out the translator pages with gray on gray text, or interpreting their worthless tiny icons. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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ditching redmine ?
by Per Jessen 15 Mar '21

15 Mar '21

Sasi Olin wrote: > On Mo, Mär 15, 2021 at 15:33, Lars Vogdt <lars(a)linux-schulserver.de> > wrote: > >> I know that the following is kind of unfair, so please don't take it >> as affront: >> * Are the maintainers of Gitlab and Progress aware of this? > > Progress yes, we only discussed Gitlab in passing, so there I'm not > sure I would like to understand the reasoning behind wanting to ditch redmine in favour of <whatever> ? We only fairly recently spent quite a lot of effort on upgrading redmine. I don't even remember this being discussed ? Maybe I missed that meeting, dunno. Brgds Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes

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https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/
by Felix Miata 08 Mar '21

08 Mar '21

1 https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes@lists.opensuse.org/ Isn't having the complete mailing list address in the URL an invitation for extra spam? Why not simply https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/heroes ??? 2 What would be the reason for "I can get to everything but the forums" in this post?: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6228168#post62281… -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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Re: Zypper with MirrorCache pilot project
by Neal Gompa 05 Mar '21

05 Mar '21

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 8:40 AM Andrii Nikitin <andrii.nikitin(a)suse.com> wrote: > > From: Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com> > > MirrorManager is *able* to tolerate divergence, but that leads to a > > much bigger database since you wind up tracking all the files > > independently. That is a noted point you mention in the MirrorCache vs > > MirrorBrain differences. > > Maybe you can give me a link to documentation or source code which clarifies this point, because I don't understand it properly. > Or do you mean that this may be implemented in MirrorManager, but is not actually needed? > You can implement this in MirrorManager if you want to, but in practice it is less important if you're tracking only the necessary files that are a proxy for the state of the mirror (e.g. repodata index files and images like ISOs and disk images). MirrorManager currently implements tracking based on repodata index files for RPM and OSTree repositories[1]. For the openSUSE use-case, that would need to be extended to more types or given a flag to just track all files. There would probably need to be some minor adjustments to the code to treat openSUSE main and OBS content differently. MirrorManager has a heuristic to determine what stuff is present when it checks a mirror to auto enable/disable mirrors for different content subsets[2]. [1]: https://github.com/fedora-infra/mirrormanager2/blob/master/mirrormanager2/l… [2]: https://github.com/fedora-infra/mirrormanager2/blob/master/mirrormanager2/l… > > Fedora's system is configured to track and invalidate based on the > > repomd.xml file, which makes it simple and relatively easy to > > determine whether a mirror is eligible. This is combined with the > > usage of metalinks by default so that the client can select multiple > > mirrors and use them for parallel downloads across different mirrors > > as needed, as well as automatic mirror failover. > > You mentioned repomd.xml - does this assume that mirrors host only repositories? > > > Hmm, but the https://mirrorcache.opensuse.org/download/tumbleweed/repo/oss/repodata/repo… > > URL does not work. > > zypper doesn't use such requests as far as I know, but such feature may/should be added for sure. I probably didn't properly prioritize it yet. > But MirrorCache still lacks some features that MirrorBrain has (ASN matching, country-specific configuaration of mirrors, maybe more) > I was using it for rpm-repos-openSUSE[3] and Mock[4] but reverted it[5][6] because MirrorBrain's metalink handling is totally broken. [3]: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/Base:System/rpm-repos-openSUSE [4]: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock [5]: https://build.opensuse.org/package/rdiff/Base:System/rpm-repos-openSUSE?lin… [6]: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/commit/a7d588c22872d71a2f95… -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

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