openSUSE ARM October 2011

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[opensuse-arm] new qemu deployment in openSUSE:Factory:ARM and Base:build:arm
by Adrian Schröter 28 Oct '11

28 Oct '11

JFYI, we do use the qemu from openSUSE:Tools project in openSUSE:Factory:ARM via some aggregate&ExportFilter trick now. That means we don't need to deploy new worker images anymore for a qemu upgrade. The qemu version in openSUSE:Tools is currently not frozen, that means changes in Virtualization or openSUSE:Factory project will have direct effects. We can change this if needed. bye adrian PS: this is still considered a hack and not a clean solution, because it still requires identical architectures via the build hosts. A cleaner solution will be implemented later when working on worker capabilities. -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH email: adrian(a)suse.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-arm] iproute2 package exists. :)
by Joop Boonen 28 Oct '11

28 Oct '11

Hi All, I see iproute2 has been build. I'm going to checkout how far I can get with JeOS, this weekend. A small remark. There is a unresolvable issue with iproute2 now. nothing provides perl = 5.14.1 needed by sgmltool If I check this out it looks like it;s not correct. OBS issue? https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=iproute2&project=openSUSE%3… https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=perl&project=openSUSE%3AFac… https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=sgmltool&project=openSUSE%3… Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-ppc] Re: [opensuse-arm] [ml-admin] Merging the architecture lists to opensuse-arch
by Joop Boonen 27 Oct '11

27 Oct '11

On Thu, October 27, 2011 2:41 pm, Karl Eichwalder wrote: > Larry Stotler <larrystotler(a)gmail.com> writes: > >>> Meantime a merged list seems to me to be the wrong way to go: keep lists >>> that are active or might reasonably be expected to become so and kill the >>> others, effectively merging into -project and -factory. >> >> Is it really that big of a deal to leave it be and see what happens? Not really sure why it's so necessary to consider something dead when it may rise up again unexpectedly. > > Agreed. These arch lists are fine. Problematic are those general purpose lists such as -factory, -marketing, -project, etc. But as long as we do not create more of them, we can stand it. (I'm subscribe to -factory only, though.) When we are at it, is it an option to add opensuse-mips? > > -- > Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation MaxfeldstraÃe 5 > 90409 NÃ¼rnberg, Germany > GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix ImendÃ¶rffer, HRB 16746 (AG NÃ¼rnberg) > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner(a)opensuse.org > > Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-ppc] Re: [opensuse-arm] [ml-admin] Merging the architecture lists to opensuse-arch
by Joop Boonen 27 Oct '11

27 Oct '11

On Thu, October 27, 2011 2:41 pm, Karl Eichwalder wrote: > Larry Stotler <larrystotler(a)gmail.com> writes: > >>> Meantime a merged list seems to me to be the wrong way to go: keep >>> lists >>> that are active or might reasonably be expected to become so and kill >>> the >>> others, effectively merging into -project and -factory. >> >> Is it really that big of a deal to leave it be and see what happens? >> Not really sure why it's so necessary to consider something dead when >> it may rise up again unexpectedly. > > Agreed. These arch lists are fine. Problematic are those general > purpose lists such as -factory, -marketing, -project, etc. But as long > as we do not create more of them, we can stand it. (I'm subscribe to > -factory only, though.) When we are at it, is it an option to add opensuse-mips? > > -- > Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH > R&D / Documentation MaxfeldstraÃe 5 > 90409 NÃ¼rnberg, Germany > GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix ImendÃ¶rffer, HRB 16746 (AG > NÃ¼rnberg) > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner(a)opensuse.org > > Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-ppc] Re: [opensuse-arm] [ml-admin] Merging the architecture lists to opensuse-arch
by Joop Boonen 27 Oct '11

27 Oct '11

On Thu, October 27, 2011 9:44 am, Richard (MQ) wrote: > On 26/10/11 19:19, Joop Boonen wrote: >> On Wed, October 26, 2011 3:25 pm, Andreas Färber wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Am 26.10.2011 15:04, schrieb Henne Vogelsang: >>>> On 26.10.2011 14:58, Adrian Schröter wrote: >>>>> Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 14:29:57 schrieb Henne Vogelsang: >>>>>> >>>>>> we are currently trying to reduce the amount of communication >>>>>> channels >>>>>> we provide. Because of this I would like to merge the 4 architecture >>>>>> lists into one list called opensuse-arch. >>>>>> >>>>>> If nobody objects until the 15th of November 12:00 UTC I will merge >>>>>> the >>>>>> lists. You don't have to do anything except rewriting your filter if >>>>>> you >>>>>> use one. >>>>> >>>>> I would definitive unsubscribe from such a list if the majority of >>>>> mails is >>>>> not interessting for me. >>>> >>>> The ppc, amd64 and ia64 lists didn't have any traffic in 2010 and >>>> 2011. >>>> I would like to have some point for people to go for non x86 >>>> architecture specific stuff. >>> >>> There was some recent activity to revive ppc openSUSE, so if arm stays >>> ppc should probably stay as well. >>> amd64 is mainstream now, so that's different I guess. >>> >> >> I agree. >> >> I think it's best to have separate mailing lists for different >> architectures. >> >> I think traffic wise it also safes bandwidth. Only people that are >> interested in a specific mailing list will get this mail and not >> traffic >> they don't want. >> >> The ppc mailing list will be very interesting again when the AmigaOne >> X1000 and Netbook will be released. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000 >> http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=781936 >> If this ends up in an active mailing list where also ARM resides it's >> difficult to filter, I'm subscribed to both. > > If / when the AmigaOne X1000 arrives there will certainly be a new PPC > platform, but whether we can persuade the community to re-start the PPC > version of openSuSE Linux is another matter entirely. FWIW, the argument > for dropping it a few years back was that the usage had dwindled to > insignificant numbers (ISTR around 20 downloads / month) - I couldn't > really argue with that. > > My expectation is that there won't be another official PPC version at > all, though maybe we'll have enough momentum for an unofficial one - in > which case retention of this list will be vindicated. It all depends on > whether the machine is ever launched - time will tell. > > Meantime a merged list seems to me to be the wrong way to go: keep lists > that are active or might reasonably be expected to become so and kill > the others, effectively merging into -project and -factory. Why not be the distro that also invites people who want to try other distro's? If you look at other distro's they are more inviting for people who want to try other distro's. http://lists.debian.org/ports.html https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo Why not even add a opensuse-mips mailing-list for people in for instance China who would like to work on a Loongson/Godson port. I think this will pull more hardware gurus to our distro. I think our current limiting approach set us behind other distro's on supported archs. This is something we see now in the arm port. This might happen again when another important architecture would appear. I think we should get rid of the opensuse-amd86 mailing-list as it's x86. One other thing I also don't understand is. WE currently build all ppc packages as Factory. Why don't we also build a the iso's for the current version, with the extra label unstable (so 12.1-unstable-ppc). Now a newbie that is interested in openSuSE on his old Mac won't be able to install openSuSE ppc due to the lack of a DVD. And therefor will move on to another distro. > > -- > Cheers > Richard (MQ) > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner(a)opensuse.org > > Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-arm] rootfs
by Bernhard Schuster 27 Oct '11

27 Oct '11

Can anybody point me to a (alpha,beta) rootfs, howto create such or what to fix in order to move forward towards it? I already read all openSuSE and ARM related pages but I did not stumble upon anything. I am especially interested in armv7hl for a BB-xM. Regards Bernhard Schuster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-arm] [ml-admin] Merging the architecture lists to opensuse-arch
by Henne Vogelsang 27 Oct '11

27 Oct '11

Hey, we are currently trying to reduce the amount of communication channels we provide. Because of this I would like to merge the 4 architecture lists into one list called opensuse-arch. If nobody objects until the 15th of November 12:00 UTC I will merge the lists. You don't have to do anything except rewriting your filter if you use one. Thanks in advance for your consideration. Henne -- Mailing List Admin http://lists.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-arm] [ml-admin] Merging the architecture lists to opensuse-arch
by Joop Boonen 26 Oct '11

26 Oct '11

On Wed, October 26, 2011 3:25 pm, Andreas Färber wrote: > Hi, > > Am 26.10.2011 15:04, schrieb Henne Vogelsang: >> On 26.10.2011 14:58, Adrian Schröter wrote: >>> Am Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 14:29:57 schrieb Henne Vogelsang: >>>> >>>> we are currently trying to reduce the amount of communication channels we provide. Because of this I would like to merge the 4 architecture lists into one list called opensuse-arch. >>>> >>>> If nobody objects until the 15th of November 12:00 UTC I will merge the >>>> lists. You don't have to do anything except rewriting your filter if you >>>> use one. >>> >>> I would definitive unsubscribe from such a list if the majority of mails is >>> not interessting for me. >> >> The ppc, amd64 and ia64 lists didn't have any traffic in 2010 and 2011. I would like to have some point for people to go for non x86 >> architecture specific stuff. > > There was some recent activity to revive ppc openSUSE, so if arm stays ppc should probably stay as well. > amd64 is mainstream now, so that's different I guess. > I agree. I think it's best to have separate mailing lists for different architectures. I think traffic wise it also safes bandwidth. Only people that are interested in a specific mailing list will get this mail and not traffic they don't want. The ppc mailing list will be very interesting again when the AmigaOne X1000 and Netbook will be released. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000 http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=781936 If this ends up in an active mailing list where also ARM resides it's difficult to filter, I'm subscribed to both. > Andreas > > -- > SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer; HRB 16746 AG Nürnberg -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org > Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-arm] Re: [opensuse-ppc] [ml-admin] Merging the architecture lists to opensuse-arch
by Joop Boonen 26 Oct '11

26 Oct '11

On Wed, October 26, 2011 2:29 pm, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > Hey, > > we are currently trying to reduce the amount of communication channels we provide. Because of this I would like to merge the 4 architecture lists into one list called opensuse-arch. > > If nobody objects until the 15th of November 12:00 UTC I will merge the lists. You don't have to do anything except rewriting your filter if you use one. > Wouldn't it be best to leave the arm mailing list as is until the arm port has been completed? > Thanks in advance for your consideration. > > Henne > > -- > Mailing List Admin > http://lists.opensuse.org > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ppc+owner(a)opensuse.org > > Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-arm] request/sugestion to work together to get hardfp/OSS ARM GPU drivers and/or to get documentation
by Joop Boonen 23 Oct '11

23 Oct '11

Hi all, Most of the (ARM) distros are currently working on or in the transition to hardfp, but until now most GPU's in de ARM Cortex SOCs don't have any hardfp drivers yet. To be able to have a ARM hardfp compiled X Window desktop system/notebook with 3D support we need hardfp compiled drivers. I was thinking it might be more efficient is all Linux distro's work together to get these drivers as it's equally important for all distro that wants to move to a hardfp distro. What do you all think, who wants to work together to get full hardfp support for as most as possible ARM SOC GPUs? It would be great if we can in the end even have OSS drivers. Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner(a)opensuse.org

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