April 2008 - openSUSE Translation (Deutsch)

[opensuse-translation-de] Wir haben einen eigenen IRC-Channel
by M. Skiba 22 Apr '08

22 Apr '08

Nochmal hi, ich wollte nur nochmal'n bisschen Werbung für unseren neuen IRC-Channel im freenode.net machen. Wer Lust hat, kann uns in #l10n-de (Ludwig-EINS-NULL-Nordpol-MINUS-Dora-Emil) gerne Besuchen, Beraten, Vorschläge machen oder Kekse verteilen. Grüße Michael

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[opensuse-translation-de] [Bug 381756] Bad wording in opensuseupdater / german " no update repo available"
by bugzilla_noreply＠novell.com 21 Apr '08

21 Apr '08

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381756 Marko Schugardt <marko.schugardt(a)gmx.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |marko.schugardt(a)gmx.de AssignedTo|opensuse-translation-de(a)opensuse.org |marko.schugardt(a)gmx.de Status|NEW |ASSIGNED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation-de] latest: Neuste vs. Letzte
by M. Skiba 21 Apr '08

21 Apr '08

Guten Start in die Woche allen miteinander, ich wollte mal darüber diskutieren ob wir von den "Letzten Aktualisierungen" oder von den "Neusten Aktualisierungen" sprechen sollen? Ich würde, zukünftig solche Begriffsfragen in Verbum festhalten, wo wir neuerdings auch ein Glossar für solche Zwecke haben. (Button links oben) Grüße Michael P.S.: Wie ich Karl vorhin verstanden habe sind die letzten Merge Prozesse abgeschlossen und wir können jetzt bis zum 28.04 in die Haupt-Übersetzungs-Runde starten. Wer nix zu tun hat oder nicht weiß was er machen soll/kann/darf, der meldet sich bitte bei mir, zu tun gibt's immer was ;)

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[opensuse-translation-de] [Bug 381756] Bad wording in opensuseupdater / german " no update repo available"
by bugzilla_noreply＠novell.com 21 Apr '08

21 Apr '08

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=381756 Karl Eichwalder <ke(a)novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|ke(a)novell.com |opensuse-translation-de(a)opensuse.org -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation-de] Ortsangaben in der Timezone-DB
by M. Skiba 20 Apr '08

20 Apr '08

Hallo allerseits, wie sicherlich bekannt hat die letzte Runde für uns begonnen, bis zum 2. Mai haben wir Zeit mit unseren Übersetzungen fertig zu werden. (Naja, eigentlich schon vorher, sie müssen ja noch eingecheckt werden...). Jetzt aber zu ner anderen Frage: Ich übersetzte grade die Timezone-DB, wo unter anderem Bezeichnungen wie "Eastern (New York)" oder "South Georgia" vorkommen, sollen die so belassen werden, oder sollten die mit Östlich bzw. "Süd Georgia" übersetzt werden? Zumindest das erstere ist ja kein Eigenname im eigentlichen Sinne... Grüße Michael

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[opensuse-translation-de] [Bug 361411] Messy and completely unclear translation in openSUSE Updater error(?) message
by bugzilla_noreply＠novell.com 16 Apr '08

16 Apr '08

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411 User mack(a)ifis.cs.tu-bs.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411#c5 --- Comment #5 from Thomas Mack <mack(a)ifis.cs.tu-bs.de> 2008-04-16 01:43:24 MST --- Pardon - I appreciate your work, but I don't like the direction, OpenSUSE and other more independent parts (like Gimp or else) are developing into. There is a clear tendency to implement Linux as a windows clone with all it's drawback like unspecific or unclear messages, more restrictive behaviour (e.g., one cannot move maximized windows any longer, even when the window is maximized to one screen only on a multiple screen setup), more complicated interfaces (e.g. the Gimp file dialog comes to my mind), testing probably only on stand alone machines or in single user and single screen desktop configurations etc. pp.. I cannot stop this direction. And reporting bugs takes quite some time as well. So when reporting one bug, in the next openSUSE version I find two new annoyances for this. I do understand your argumentation, but I'm engaged in some other projects (for free) as well, and I have to keep our machines running here at work, so I don't have so much time for reporting bugs or annoyances. And this even more, when the effect of seems to be very limited. Your argument 'people can understand it, when they get some basic knowledge about it' might be ok. But when someone is writing something like 'this [...]' and does not give any reference point, 'this' is referring to, the text tends to create confusion and not clarity. When someone is writing about two problems, but three problem sections are following, he is limiting information, even though the text is to give information. When someone is writing about 'invalid packages', he assumes, it is clear, what an invalid package might be. But this term is at least ambiguous. So why is it done like this? Information is to increase clarity and not to hide clarity. I did not have any problems understanding unresolved package dependencies or other similar installation messages in version 7 to 9 of SuSE, so why did SUSE 'improve'(???) the messages in newer versions to a complete mess? Is it such a problem to tell people: - this package (A) depends on package (B), but package (B) is not available for this computer architecture (C)? Well, no, the text speaks about resolvables, which is a word invented by SUSE (part of bug 292309); it speaks about 'invalid packages' - whatever this might be; it speaks about 'installable providers', which seems to be nonsense as well; it refers to something not mentioned anywhere; etc. pp.. My point is: the translation I reported the bug on might have had the chance to give an (easily) understandable information, but it failed. If the english text also does not give an understandable information, one should / might propagate it upwards. But the translation does not even provide a completely correct german syntax or semantics. So it seems to be valid to keep in here in the translation group. And yes: it's not a technical problem, so one can continue working with openSUSE. And if everyone thinks this and other similar unclear messages are ok, then one can leave it like this. Then it's the direction, openSUSE (and others) are developing to. It heavily reminds me of Windows messages, but when one likes to clone Windows, it seems to be valid to clone the information hiding of Windows as well. Maybe I will join the translation group sometime in future, so other people can complain about my translations as well, but for now, I won't. And I know: whatever one does, someone will be able to criticize it. So just take my criticism as a hint and not as something beyond that. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation-de] [Bug 361411] Messy and completely unclear translation in openSUSE Updater error(?) message
by bugzilla_noreply＠novell.com 16 Apr '08

16 Apr '08

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411 User ke(a)novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411#c4 --- Comment #4 from Karl Eichwalder <ke(a)novell.com> 2008-04-16 01:32:23 MST --- Yes, most of those are kind of keywords or terms. Maybe, some English strings need improvements and I think they were actually reworked for 11.0. Now we must check whether the help text in the GUI is sufficient. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation-de] [Bug 361411] Messy and completely unclear translation in openSUSE Updater error(?) message
by bugzilla_noreply＠novell.com 15 Apr '08

15 Apr '08

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411 User michael(a)michael-skiba.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411#c3 Michael Skiba <michael(a)michael-skiba.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |michael(a)michael-skiba.de --- Comment #3 from Michael Skiba <michael(a)michael-skiba.de> 2008-04-15 14:39:30 MST --- That's the wrong attitude my friend ;) One problem indeed is, that the l10n teams have to cover the whole field of different configurations, from dns servers over firewall to user management and updating service... As we're not masters of all those fields, we sometimes have to rely on the meaning that stands behind an English string, even though we don't actually know the in-depth details, this way is a bit sad actually, but we've no other choice (however you're free to join and help* ;) ) [of course we try to get behind the meaning of something, mostly freenode.net is our source of knowledge] And of course there's always a small glitch between so called "power-users" which are turned off by a too simple German translation and the "new-users" which should be spoonfeed. Actually I think that the above text is more or less understandable if you know a bit of package managing [not everyone, especially new ones are familiar with that - I'm aware of that too of course ;) ] * it would already be much help if you could suggest a different translation suggestion ;) P.S.: I (speaking for the volunteer German l10n team) have no intentions to "WONTFIX" all bug that are assigned to us, in fact this is the first one that I remember (and, in my defense: I think it's up to the programmer of the updater to make it more user friendly, i.e. changing the string to something more simple or showing an additional help...) So please don't turn your back on us, we all work hard to improve openSUSE, but we all do it in our spare time(and much to often, that's almost in the middle of the night) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation-de] [Bug 361411] Messy and completely unclear translation in openSUSE Updater error(?) message
by bugzilla_noreply＠novell.com 15 Apr '08

15 Apr '08

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411 User mack(a)ifis.cs.tu-bs.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361411#c2 --- Comment #2 from Thomas Mack <mack(a)ifis.cs.tu-bs.de> 2008-04-15 01:44:34 MST --- Well, when a translation does not transfer the MEANING of a text, I consider the translation to be incorrect. Even though the more or less word-by-word translation might be correct. If the english text does not have any reasonable meaning as well, it will be another bug. But I don't really know if a 'provider' in english is more than just a company or person offering you some products, so I cannot really judge if an 'installable provider' does have any meaning. And else. One other bug in the same area resulted in a WONTFIX or similar, even though it was clear, the word in the english text was not an english word, but just an invention from SUSE. So I leave it up to the translation group to shed some light on this. When the translation group also likes to invent some new words or if it likes to restrict itself to a word-by-word translation without caring for the meaning, then it's a decision in the SUSE product line and no longer a matter of me. Anyway, the amount of (minor?) bugs and misbehaviours in SUSE seems to increase enormously from version to version, so there is not much sense in putting too much effort into trying to resolve them. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. You are the assignee for the bug. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation-de] Re: update-desktop-files und RELEASE-NOTES
by Karl Eichwalder 14 Apr '08

14 Apr '08

Michael Skiba <michael(a)michael-skiba.de> writes: Bitte die MLs verwenden ;) > kurze Frage zu den oben genannten Daten: Die update-desktop-files*.po und die > RELEASE-NOTES.de.po ändern die sich noch oder kann man die schon "sicher" > übersetzten"? Ändern sich noch. Aber auch die anderen Dateien können sich noch ändern. -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation-de+help(a)opensuse.org

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