[opensuse-kde] elarun splash with KDM?
What actually controls what splash is available, the greeter/DM, or the DE? Is there a TW or Leap package I can install to get Elarun in KF5 instead of a choice between Breeze and nothing? Configure splash doesn't provide a way to see where the selections live so as to be able to run rpm -qf on them to see what rpm owns them. Installing kde4-wallpaper-default got Elarun for the desktop wallpaper, but not for splash. SDDM isn't an option due to KDM features SDDM lacks, unless SDDM can be used just for configuration access to optional splashes and not required to be the configured greeter. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 20. Juli 2015, 01:37:36 schrieb Felix Miata:
What actually controls what splash is available, the greeter/DM, or the DE? Is there a TW or Leap package I can install to get Elarun in KF5 instead of a choice between Breeze and nothing?
Do you really mean the splash screen (which is totally unrelated to KDM), or KDM's theme? You have to configure the latter in KDE4's systemsettings, there is no breeze theme available at all. For the splash screen you should be able to choose between Oxygen, Breeze, and openSUSE on a default installation. The openSUSE one is in plasma5-workspace- openSUSE, Oxygen is in the package oxygen5-style, which you probably don't have installed. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-07-20 16:43 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata composed:
What actually controls what splash is available, the greeter/DM, or the DE? Is there a TW or Leap package I can install to get Elarun in KF5 instead of a choice between Breeze and nothing?
Do you really mean the splash screen (which is totally unrelated to KDM), or KDM's theme?
The splash seen when KDM isn't running, shortly after starting startx.
You have to configure the latter in KDE4's systemsettings, there is no breeze theme available at all.
According to which: Installed: systemsettings5 Not installed: systemsettings
For the splash screen you should be able to choose between Oxygen, Breeze, and openSUSE on a default installation. The openSUSE one is in plasma5-workspace- openSUSE, Oxygen is in the package oxygen5-style, which you probably don't have installed.
Thanks Wolfgang. Installing oxygen5-style provided the Elarun splash I was after via workspace theme in systemsettings5. It changed the titlebars from much too drab to too bright. I don't see a color scheme I like a whole lot, but it looks like Oxygen Cold might suffice. The default in 13.1's KDE3 is excellent, a slate-blue hue. Anyone have any insight why for the Colors tab the apparent blacks are not in fact black (#000000) rather than nearly black (#141312)? Web stylists' fascination with barely legible text, which seems to have snuck into DE theming, is very frustrating. http://www.nngroup.com/articles/low-contrast/ -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 20. Juli 2015, 13:00:00 schrieb Felix Miata:
Do you really mean the splash screen (which is totally unrelated to KDM), or KDM's theme?
The splash seen when KDM isn't running, shortly after starting startx.
Ok, that's Plasma's splash screen, and totally unrelated to the display manager.
You have to configure the latter in KDE4's systemsettings, there is no breeze theme available at all.
According to which: Installed: systemsettings5 Not installed: systemsettings
Well, to configure KDM you need the (not installed in your case) KDE4 systemsettings (package kdebase4-workspace-addons), or you can edit /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/kdmrc manually.
Thanks Wolfgang. Installing oxygen5-style provided the Elarun splash I was after via workspace theme in systemsettings5. It changed the titlebars from much too drab to too bright.
Hm? Just installing oxygen5-style (or setting it as splash screen) shouldn't change the titlebars at all. If you switched the whole "Look and Feel" to Oxygen, it will also change the color theme though. But you can of course also change the color of the title bars (active and inactive) in systemsettings5->Colors. You can also use KDE4's default Oxygen as window decoration if you prefer that, or even KDE3's default Plastik (should be built into kwin I think).
I don't see a color scheme I like a whole lot, but it looks like Oxygen Cold might suffice. The default in 13.1's KDE3 is excellent, a slate-blue hue.
You can change single colors too, exactly like in KDE4. Just switch to the "Color Selection" tab. And the settings module even allows you to download color schemes from the Internet.
Anyone have any insight why for the Colors tab the apparent blacks are not in fact black (#000000) rather than nearly black (#141312)?
I don't understand you. On my system, if I set black on the Colors tab, it is black, not "nearly black". What do you mean with that? Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-07-21 17:10 (UTC+0200): Thanks!
Felix Miata composed:
Do you really mean the splash screen (which is totally unrelated to KDM), or KDM's theme?
The splash seen when KDM isn't running, shortly after starting startx.
Ok, that's Plasma's splash screen, and totally unrelated to the display manager.
It's not always so easy to keep straight the difference between display manager, and window manager, at least in part because all greeter apps include the string "dm" in their names. ;-)
You have to configure the latter in KDE4's systemsettings, there is no breeze theme available at all.
According to which: Installed: systemsettings5 Not installed: systemsettings
Well, to configure KDM you need the (not installed in your case) KDE4 systemsettings (package kdebase4-workspace-addons), or you can edit /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/kdmrc manually.
Your "or" is a bothersome suggestion. I've long preferred to manage configuration I understand manually (via OFM's text editor), because it can be done before ever logging into X initially, where the location to make the edits not that infrequently requires fishing for its new location. I typically reserve YaST2 & Systemsettings for configurations not understood. Any time I've used a GUI tool to touch kcmrc, the result has been all the rpm version's comments get stripped out, to be followed eventually by normal updates replacing the file. So I long ago took to creating a symlink to its parent in the /etc/ tree, doing my edit under the symlink, then then setting kdmrc immutable. Why isn't kdmrc already installed somewhere in /etc/, where, under FHS, admin customizations normally belong?
Thanks Wolfgang. Installing oxygen5-style provided the Elarun splash I was after via workspace theme in systemsettings5. It changed the titlebars from much too drab to too bright.
Hm? Just installing oxygen5-style (or setting it as splash screen) shouldn't change the titlebars at all.
If you switched the whole "Look and Feel" to Oxygen, it will also change the color theme though.
Keywords: "via workspace theme". :-D Whole theme *is* what I changed. Breeze is terribly bland, except for its gaudy splash.
But you can of course also change the color of the title bars (active and inactive) in systemsettings5->Colors.
You can also use KDE4's default Oxygen as window decoration if you prefer that, or even KDE3's default Plastik (should be built into kwin I think).
I don't see Plastik selectable anywhere in the K5 installation on the host that lead to this thread. In KDE3 settings on this host, I don't find any way to get the RGB value of its default so as to be able to select it by #HTML/RGB on the colors tab.
I don't see a color scheme I like a whole lot, but it looks like Oxygen Cold might suffice. The default in 13.1's KDE3 is excellent, a slate-blue hue.
You can change single colors too, exactly like in KDE4. Just switch to the "Color Selection" tab.
To actually match the color I want, I need to locate its #HTML/RGB definition somehow.
And the settings module even allows you to download color schemes from the Internet.
In the past I've always managed to find a satisfactory scheme among defaults. The (upstream default) Breeze doesn't provide anything I can live with. The color I like (here in 13.1/KDE3): http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/defTheme131KDE3.jpg
Anyone have any insight why for the Colors tab the apparent blacks are not in fact black (#000000) rather than nearly black (#141312)?
I don't understand you. On my system, if I set black on the Colors tab, it is black, not "nearly black".
What do you mean with that?
On the colors tab, clicking on an apparently black (View Text) select rectangle produces a detailed select color window that reports the #HTML/RGB color values. Black is 0,0,0, but the reported values for black in Breeze are #31363b/49,54,59; in Oxygen Cold #141312/20,19,18. Both will seem black (to most people?), but only until actual black can be compared (nearby). To get genuine black (as genuine as any display can produce), either "0"s need to be typed in or scrolled to, or the upper left needs to be selected from the 6 row/8 column basic colors select group. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata composed on 2015-07-21 19:36 (UTC-0400):
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-07-21 17:10 (UTC+0200):
You can change single colors too, exactly like in KDE4. Just switch to the "Color Selection" tab.
To actually match the color I want, I need to locate its #HTML/RGB definition somehow.
Found in /usr/share/desktop-data/qtrc (using Plastik on KDE3): activeBackground=#3067a1 :-D -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 21. Juli 2015, 19:36:56 schrieb Felix Miata:
Any time I've used a GUI tool to touch kcmrc, the result has been all the rpm version's comments get stripped out, to be followed eventually by normal updates replacing the file. I think that happens if you use the systemsettings module to change the config. Reinstalling the kdm package should recreate the config file *with* the comments (and keep the modifications) IIRC.
So I long ago took to creating a symlink to its parent in the /etc/ tree, doing my edit under the symlink, then then setting kdmrc immutable. Why isn't kdmrc already installed somewhere in /etc/, where, under FHS, admin customizations normally belong?
Well, I cannot answer you why the config is in /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/ instead of /etc/, but I don't see how this is related either. The same would happen if it was located in /etc/.
I don't see Plastik selectable anywhere in the K5 installation on the host that lead to this thread.
It is available here, in systemsettings5->(Appearance->)Application Style-
Window Decoration. And as mentioned, I think it is part of kwin5 itself. You might have to resize/maximize the window to see the available decorations.
There is no "Look and Feel" package for Plastik though, that's where you looked probably.
In KDE3 settings on this host, I don't find any way to get the RGB value of its default so as to be able to select it by #HTML/RGB on the colors tab.
I don't see a color scheme I like a whole lot, but it looks like Oxygen Cold might suffice. The default in 13.1's KDE3 is excellent, a slate-blue hue.
You can change single colors too, exactly like in KDE4. Just switch to the "Color Selection" tab.
To actually match the color I want, I need to locate its #HTML/RGB definition somehow.
And the settings module even allows you to download color schemes from the Internet.
In the past I've always managed to find a satisfactory scheme among defaults. The (upstream default) Breeze doesn't provide anything I can live with.
So? There are other color schemes shipped by default. Some of them (the 3 openSUSE specific ones) are in the package plasma5-workspace-branding-openSUSE though.
The color I like (here in 13.1/KDE3): http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/defTheme131KDE3.jpg
Well, then set it... ;-) As mentioned, you can override specific colors from the color scheme. And IMHO you don't really need the exact RGB code. Just select a color you like in the color selection dialog. Or you can find out the exact RGB code in KDE3's settings too. Open the "Colors" settings, click on the titlebar in the picture (or choose "Active Title Bar" in the "Widget Color" chooser), and click on the color button below to open the color chooser, which will display the values.
Anyone have any insight why for the Colors tab the apparent blacks are not in fact black (#000000) rather than nearly black (#141312)?
I don't understand you. On my system, if I set black on the Colors tab, it is black, not "nearly black".
What do you mean with that?
On the colors tab, clicking on an apparently black (View Text) select rectangle produces a detailed select color window that reports the #HTML/RGB color values. Black is 0,0,0, but the reported values for black in Breeze are #31363b/49,54,59; in Oxygen Cold #141312/20,19,18. Both will seem black (to most people?), but only until actual black can be compared (nearby). To get genuine black (as genuine as any display can produce), either "0"s need to be typed in or scrolled to, or the upper left needs to be selected from the 6 row/8 column basic colors select group.
So, what's the problem? Is it that difficult to enter 0,0,0? Or choose "Black" in the color chooser (the first color in the top-left below "Basic colors", or by setting the "intensity" slider to 0)? You didn't choose "Black", but you chose to configure the "View Text" color, which just isn't black in those themes. That's how those themes are designed, and I'm pretty sure KDE3 includes themes that don't have black as "View Text" either. Again, choose another theme that suits you, or override single colors with your preferences. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata composed on 2015-07-20 13:00 (UTC-0400):
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-07-20 16:43 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata composed:
What actually controls what splash is available, the greeter/DM, or the DE? Is there a TW or Leap package I can install to get Elarun in KF5 instead of a choice between Breeze and nothing?
Do you really mean the splash screen (which is totally unrelated to KDM), or KDM's theme?
The splash seen when KDM isn't running, shortly after starting startx.
You have to configure the latter in KDE4's systemsettings, there is no breeze theme available at all.
According to which: Installed: systemsettings5 Not installed: systemsettings
For the splash screen you should be able to choose between Oxygen, Breeze, and openSUSE on a default installation. The openSUSE one is in plasma5-workspace- openSUSE, Oxygen is in the package oxygen5-style, which you probably don't have installed.
Thanks Wolfgang. Installing oxygen5-style provided the Elarun splash I was after via workspace theme in systemsettings5.
Installing oxygen5-style doesn't work for desktop wallpaper in a fresh Leap installation even with Oxygen as the selected theme. Elarun is used for the splash, but not the desktop wallpaper. Instead of the elarun splash is offered the old Stripes wallpaper along with Breeze and the latest openSUSE default. I would think the splash and the wallpaper would use the same image. Do they not? What package holds the elarun wallpaper? It's not in breeze5-wallpapers or plasma5-workspace-wallpapers. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2015, 07:09:17 schrieb Felix Miata:
Installing oxygen5-style doesn't work for desktop wallpaper in a fresh Leap installation even with Oxygen as the selected theme.
The style has nothing to do with the wallpaper.
Elarun is used for the splash, but not the desktop wallpaper. Instead of the elarun splash is offered the old Stripes wallpaper along with Breeze and the latest openSUSE default. I would think the splash and the wallpaper would use the same image. Do they not?
No. A splash screen theme can define its own "wallpaper", or not use one at all.
What package holds the elarun wallpaper? It's not in breeze5-wallpapers or plasma5-workspace-wallpapers.
kdebase4-wallpaper-default (as it was KDE4's upstream default wallpaper). Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-10-28 17:08 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata composed:
What package holds the elarun wallpaper? It's not in breeze5-wallpapers or plasma5-workspace-wallpapers.
kdebase4-wallpaper-default (as it was KDE4's upstream default wallpaper).
Is there a way to get elarun splash back running TW? kdebase4-wallpaper-default is gone from the repos, and even where I've locked it to prevent removal, elarun is not among the splash selections in v5 settings. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 21. Februar 2016, 01:40:17 CET schrieb Felix Miata:
Is there a way to get elarun splash back running TW? kdebase4-wallpaper-default is gone from the repos,
kdebase4-wallpapers (and kdebase4-wallpaper-default) is still available in the KDE:Applications repo. No idea why it has been removed from the distribution, probably because it's not part of the KDE Applications releases any more since 15.12 (it didn't really make sense to release the same unchanged wallpapers every month again and again, so upstream removed them). We could probably add it back, but maybe it's good enough to only have it in an addon repo too. But that won't help you with the splash screen anyway, see below.
and even where I've locked it to prevent removal, elarun is not among the splash selections in v5 settings.
Well, the splash themes consist of more than just the wallpaper. And they don't use the standard wallpapers, but bring their own background images... IOW, they are self-contained. There is no "Elarun" splash theme, what you probably mean is called "Oxygen" and is part of the package oxygen5-style. This does include the "Elarun" background image. And just to be sure: you can configure the splash theme in "Configure Desktop"->"Workspace Theme"->"Splash Screen" Or select "Oxygen" in the "Look and Feel" module, that should set the splash theme too (but I'm not sure about that). But again, you need to have "oxygen5- style" installed to have that option available. Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
In data lunedì 22 febbraio 2016 10:39:19 CET, Wolfgang Bauer ha scritto:
No idea why it has been removed from the distribution, probably because it's not part of the KDE Applications releases any more since 15.12 (it didn't
Also because there were space constraints on the live media (which block snapshots from being published), so we removed these packages because of their size and because yes, they're not part of Applications any more.
We could probably add it back, but maybe it's good enough to only have it in an addon repo too.
I would not want that for the reasons outlined above. ;) -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: A29D259B
Am Montag, 22. Februar 2016, 11:07:21 CET schrieb Luca Beltrame:
I would not want that for the reasons outlined above. ;)
Well, just because the package is available in the distribution doesn't mean it has to be included on the Live media. And those are just wallpapers (i.e. image files), it doesn't really matter whether they are still updated/released regularly or even maintained upstream at all IMHO. But I don't have a strong opinion on that either way... Kind Regards, Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
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