On 04/12/2018 08:01 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On 04/12/2018 05:57 PM, don fisher wrote:

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Sorry, somehow I got this message linked to another. Also, my distribution is OpenSUSELeap 4.3 as opposed to 4.2 referenced.

I have purchased a Canon Color imageCLASS MF733Cdw laser printer for my OpenSUSELeap 4.2 distribution.

1. Using YAST/hardware/printer/add, I get No connections, try 'Detect More' message. 2. A Canon MF731C/733C UFRII is found at the IP address I assigned. 3. Under 'Find and Assign a Driver' the message no matching driver found is presented.

At the Canon site I found a driver for linux   linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen.tar.gz

I could find nothing under opensuse search tool that matched.

If this is appropriate, how to I install the above tar file?

I hope this description is complete enough.

Don

What is in that file linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen.tar.gz Don? maybe give us a file listing, or look in that file, maybe there are drivers AND instructions inside.

The file linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen.tar.gz contains: linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/ linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/Documents/ linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/Documents/LICENSE-EN.txt linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/Documents/UsersGuide-ufr2-US.html linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/Documents/README-ufr2-3.5xUS.html linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/32-bit_Driver/ linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/32-bit_Driver/RPM/ linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/32-bit_Driver/RPM/cndrvcups-ufr2-us-3.50-1.i386.rpm linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/32-bit_Driver/RPM/cndrvcups-utility-1.10-1.i386.rpm linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/32-bit_Driver/RPM/cndrvcups-common-3.90-1.i386.rpm linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/32-bit_Driver/Debian/ linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/32-bit_Driver/Debian/cndrvcups-ufr2-us_3.50-1_i386.deb linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/32-bit_Driver/Debian/cndrvcups-common_3.90-1_i386.deb linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/32-bit_Driver/Debian/cndrvcups-utility_1.10-1_i386.deb linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/64-bit_Driver/ linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/64-bit_Driver/RPM/ linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/64-bit_Driver/RPM/cndrvcups-utility-1.10-1.x86_64.rpm linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/64-bit_Driver/RPM/cndrvcups-ufr2-us-3.50-1.x86_64.rpm linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/64-bit_Driver/RPM/cndrvcups-common-3.90-1.x86_64.rpm linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/64-bit_Driver/Debian/ linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/64-bit_Driver/Debian/cndrvcups-common_3.90-1_amd64.deb linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/64-bit_Driver/Debian/cndrvcups-utility_1.10-1_amd64.deb linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/64-bit_Driver/Debian/cndrvcups-ufr2-us_3.50-1_amd64.deb linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/resources/ linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/resources/installer_zh_CN_utf8.lc linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/resources/installer_en_utf8.lc linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/resources/installer_it_utf8.lc linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/resources/installer_fr_utf8.lc linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/resources/installer_ja_utf8.lc linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/resources/installer_ko_utf8.lc linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/resources/installer_zh_TW_utf8.lc linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/resources/installer_de_utf8.lc linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/resources/installer_es_utf8.lc linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/Sources/ linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/Sources/cndrvcups-lb-3.50-1.tar.gz linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/Sources/cndrvcups-utility-1.10-1.tar.gz linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/Sources/cndrvcups-common-3.90-1.tar.gz linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/install.sh I tried executing the install.sh script. It failed and stated that: Some system libraries could not be installed. Refer to the Readme file for more information. The libraries were i686 libs, while my machine is 64 bit. Under the 64-bit_Driver/RPM/ directory there are the 3 RPM files cndrvcups-common-3.90-1.x86_64.rpm cndrvcups-ufr2-us-3.50-1.x86_64.rpm cndrvcups-utility-1.10-1.x86_64.rpm I attached the install.sh file. Not obvious to me how one tells it to do a 64bit install. Let me know if I left things out. I can attach the tar.gz file but it's size is 108M Don

On 04/12/2018 08:21 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* don fisher [04-12-18 20:58]:

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Sorry, somehow I got this message linked to another. Also, my distribution is OpenSUSELeap 4.3 as opposed to 4.2 referenced.

I have purchased a Canon Color imageCLASS MF733Cdw laser printer for my OpenSUSELeap 4.2 distribution.

1. Using YAST/hardware/printer/add, I get No connections, try 'Detect More' message. 2. A Canon MF731C/733C UFRII is found at the IP address I assigned. 3. Under 'Find and Assign a Driver' the message no matching driver found is presented.

At the Canon site I found a driver for linux linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen.tar.gz

I could find nothing under opensuse search tool that matched.

If this is appropriate, how to I install the above tar file?

I hope this description is complete enough.

you might check and see if canon supplies drivers for that printer.

fwiw, I have found the best support for printers from hp, they supply the drivers. still need to check that the particular printer is supported on linux.

Thanks, I looked at numerous HP printers listed on Amazon and could not find but 2 that also had an entry listed in Driver Packages. I do not know if the alternate setup for HP printers could associate drivers with some of these printers. Do you know what name they use if not the model number? The model number for one on Amazon that was not included is "HP Color B5L25A#BGJ LaserJet Enterprise M553dn". Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Thanks,

I looked at numerous HP printers listed on Amazon and could not find but 2 that also had an entry listed in Driver Packages. I do not know if the alternate setup for HP printers could associate drivers with some of these printers. Do you know what name they use if not the model number? The model number for one on Amazon that was not included is "HP Color B5L25A#BGJ LaserJet Enterprise M553dn".

Google "list of printers supported by linux" First hit: http://www.openprinting.org/printers from there, all HP printers: http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/HP The string "M553dn" is not found. Nor B5L25A. Googling the model, I find an HP shop site that mentions Novell and suse enterprise support. The site is in Spanish, though (I live in Spain, so I get google hits for Spain): SO móvil (controladores en el OS): iOS, Android, Windows 8/8.1/10 RT Linux OS (In-OS HPLIP): SUSE Linux (12.2, 12.3, 13.1), Fedora (17, 18, 19, 20), Linux Mint (13, 14, 15, 16, 17), Boss (3.0, 5.0), Ubuntu (10.04, 11.10, 12.04, 12.10, 13.04, 13.10, 14.04, 14.10), Debian (6.0.x, 7.x) Otro sistema operativo: UNIX http://store.hp.com/SpainStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=B5L25A&opt=B19&sel=PRN Probably it is supported by hplip. Most HP printers are (not all). It is a monster printer not suitable for homes, though. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlrQqcsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WScwCeL4SwsIdOgyWxZKy0VQ7LFoA4 5w8An1QkW+CmnI+dI7ZSZXE5f6kM9bVr =akJA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

* don fisher [04-13-18 15:35]: [...]

My ink jets get clogged up if I do not use them for a couple of months.

another reason I switched to hp printers, ink jets are part of the replaceable cartridges. I was using too much ink clearing the jets in other printers, and sometimes junking the printer because I could not clear the jet :( not a problem with hp printers, at least doesn't require replacing the printer. and hplip covers all my printers, wireless and wired. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/13/2018 12:34 PM, don fisher wrote:

On 04/13/2018 05:59 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Thursday, 2018-04-12 at 21:55 -0700, don fisher wrote:

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Thanks,

I looked at numerous HP printers listed on Amazon and could not find but 2 that also had an entry listed in  Driver Packages. I do not know if the alternate setup for HP printers could associate drivers with some of these printers. Do you know what name they use if not the model number? The model number for one on Amazon that was not included is "HP Color B5L25A#BGJ LaserJet Enterprise M553dn".

Google "list of printers supported by linux"

First hit:

http://www.openprinting.org/printers

from there, all HP printers:

http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/HP

The string "M553dn" is not found. Nor B5L25A.

Googling the model, I find an HP shop site that mentions Novell and suse enterprise support. The site is in Spanish, though (I live in Spain, so I get google hits for Spain):

SO móvil (controladores en el OS): iOS, Android, Windows 8/8.1/10 RT Linux OS (In-OS HPLIP): SUSE Linux (12.2, 12.3, 13.1), Fedora (17, 18, 19, 20), Linux Mint (13, 14, 15, 16, 17), Boss (3.0, 5.0), Ubuntu (10.04, 11.10, 12.04, 12.10, 13.04, 13.10, 14.04, 14.10), Debian (6.0.x, 7.x) Otro sistema operativo: UNIX

http://store.hp.com/SpainStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=B5L25A&opt=B19&sel=PRN

Probably it is supported by hplip. Most HP printers are (not all).

It is a monster printer not suitable for homes, though.

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Thanks for all of your help. I will search details more. I asked Canon for support and received: : "This Linux driver package provided on Canon's website "UFR II/UFRII LT Printer Driver for Linux V3.50 includes code components that were not written by Canon USA or its affiliates. In addition, Linux exists in many different versions, and the driver cannot be tested against all of them. Thus, Canon USA is not able to provide a support program for this driver software."

This may be typical, but is depressing for a company this large. I have a canon 5D4 SLR camera that is phenomenal and had expected more from the company. I also had assumed that Canon printers would be best at printing some sort of photos, though I have read that laser printers are not optimum for that. My ink jets get clogged up if I do not use them for a couple of months.

Don

Success plus a simple question, I hope. How does one specify the darkness of text? I use the following commands for printing: setenv PRINTER Canon-MF731C-733C-UFR-II print: aliased to enscript -G -R -Z -q -L 80 -DDuplex:true -c -C -fCourier7 -P"$PRINTER -h" If I use the Canon utility the contrast is much greater. Is it as simple as selecting a different font? The following are notes I took to install the Canon drivers. Canon printer driver from file Mar 20 19:20 linux-Canon-UFRII-drv-v350-usen.tar.gz tar lxvf linux-Canon-UFRII-drv-v350-usen.tar.gz linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/ using the ./install.sh comand generated many package errors, all with i686 types. in Downloads/linux-UFRII-drv-v350-usen/64-bit_Driver/RPM/ three rpm files exist. sudo rpm -ivh cndrvcups-common-3.90-1.x86_64.rpm Updating / installing... 1:cndrvcups-common-3.90-1 ################################# [100%] sudo rpm -ivh cndrvcups-ufr2-us-3.50-1.x86_64.rpm Updating / installing... 1:cndrvcups-ufr2-us-3.50-1 ################################# [100%] sudo rpm -ivh cndrvcups-utility-1.10-1.x86_64.rpm sudo cp /usr/local/bin/cn* /usr1/local/bin/ ; I do not use usr local since it is in the root partition. sudo /usr1/local/bin/cnsetuputil a window appears to select device select lpd select 733 192.168.7.100 address cngplp -p hosts.allow canon print utility setenv PRINTER Canon-MF731C-733C-UFR-II so the print/enscript commands will work I hope this helps somebody Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/14/2018 04:55 PM, don fisher wrote:

I currently have three HPLIP packages, all version 3.16.11-1.3, one for printer, another for scanner and another for fax.

Does this mean that, given I download the required Binary Plug-In, that this 'all in one' should work? I have gone through many pages without any resolution comparable to what I feel is presented here.

HPLIP is open source. You can install from opensuse repositories or you can just download and install directly from HP. HP's source tends to be more up to date, which is important if you need a plugin. The current version on HP's site is Version: 3.18.3. HPLIP in turn will download any binary plugin(s) you need, as you connect each printer to it, and put them in the proper place, so you don't even have to figure out what to do with them. One HPLIP install per computer is all you need. If you get a all-in-one printer/scanner/fax it all talks to the same hplip on your compute. If you get a couple more HP printers, such as a lazer, it too talks to that same copy of HPLIP. You don't need three hplip packages. You don't have to version chase HPLIP packages. IINBDFI. If its not broke... -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/14/2018 05:22 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On 04/14/2018 04:55 PM, don fisher wrote:

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HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP m477 Fnw

I don't know anything about that printer, but your title says Canon, and your body says HP. I didn't follow this full thread, but HPLIP doesn't handle non HP printers as far as I know.

I have given up on the Canon and was warned by members of this list to make sure another printer, even an HP, was supported before purchase. So this email was a call for such confirmation. Sorry for any confusion, Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On April 14, 2018 10:27:59 PM PDT, "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 04/14/2018 05:22 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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On 04/14/2018 04:55 PM, don fisher wrote:

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HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP m477 Fnw

I don't know anything about that printer, but your title says Canon, and your body says HP. I didn't follow this full thread, but HPLIP doesn't handle non HP

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as far as I know.

I have given up on the Canon and was warned by members of this list to make sure another printer, even an HP, was supported before purchase. So

On Saturday, 2018-04-14 at 17:33 -0700, don fisher wrote: printers this

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email was a call for such confirmation.

Sorry for any confusion,

So you returned the printer? Wow. Drastic decission, but I agree.

If you google "HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP m477 Fnw and linux" you find hits, some from HP itself. That printer is supported in Linux.

Example:

https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-color-laserjet-pro-mfp-m477fnw-multifunctio...

It is a big, serious printer (48.06 lbs). Not a home unit, certainly.

Not so certain. There is a good YouTube review video about this printer. It isn't much bigger than the all in one office jet currently in my home office, and it can also replace my current consumer laser freeing up more space. It does it all. A little expensive perhaps. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-04-15 14:22, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* John Andersen <> [04-15-18 02:25]:

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On April 14, 2018 10:27:59 PM PDT, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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If you google "HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP m477 Fnw and linux" you find hits, some from HP itself. That printer is supported in Linux.

Example:

https://www.cnet.com/products/hp-color-laserjet-pro-mfp-m477fnw-multifunctio...

It is a big, serious printer (48.06 lbs). Not a home unit, certainly.

Not so certain.

There is a good YouTube review video about this printer.

It isn't much bigger than the all in one office jet currently in my home office, and it can also replace my current consumer laser freeing up more space. It does it all.

A little expensive perhaps.

It seemed huge in the photo, but then I looked at the specs of my cp1515n and it weights 18.2Kg, so not that different.

I guess. buy at amazon and a set of cartridges is more than the printer including shipping.

I haven't looked recently at prices, but in my case they were expensive but not that expensive. And they last years.

and a duty cycle of 50,000 pages.

Mine is rated 30000 pages/month. I never got even close, but when I bought it I printed books: I did not have an ereader. Now I use it little, but I appreciate that the nozzles never dry. No ink to dry. I don't need to clean it, it just prints instantly when asked. Reliable.

I would call this *overkill* unless you really print that much. I have an HP Officejet Pro 8620 which is inkjet but has 30,000 duty cycle and full set of cartridges from HP, regular color and high yield black, is only us$107.

and my photo prints are very good and quite stable if you take proper precautions.

I like the photos out of my printer :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 2018-04-15 21:05, John Andersen wrote:

On 04/15/2018 10:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Mine is rated 30000 pages/month. I never got even close, but when I bought it I printed books: I did not have an ereader. Now I use it little, but I appreciate that the nozzles never dry. No ink to dry. I don't need to clean it, it just prints instantly when asked. Reliable.

Yes, I never understood the rationale for citing a high duty cycle as a reason NOT to buy. So what if you never approach that. It just lasts longer.

It all comes down to Cost of printer and cost to operate.

Right.

Another great printer was the hp laserjet pro P1606dn. (B+W only, No longer made).

This printer was under $200 when it came out, and they just wouldn't die. People are now asking $500-ish for new ones from left over stock, although esupplybox.com still has them for 220-ish.

Suddenly the HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP m477 Fnw ($380-ish) doesn't seem so expensive. (I'd spring for the FDN model which has fully automatic duplex printing for $20 more)

I definitely would go for duplex at that price :-) I have to do manual duplexing, which is a nuisance.

HP had to discontinue the P1606dn because they were killing sales of business class lasers. Cheap enough to put one on everybody's desk. And in small office environments everyone was pushing them beyond their duty cycle with zero problems.

LOL. They don't make them that good now. All plastic. I remember the old ones made of iron.

Having one printer that does it all and delivers gorgeous color prints as well as 28ppm dual side printing makes sense. And Brand X toner (V4INK) is available for under $120 for all 4 toner cartridges - less than half the HP price. Black only cartridge (the one you will use the most) is Under $45, less than a single ink-jet cartridge for my current all-in-one.

So I'm thinking I might buy one of these to replace two printers. Especially if Don Fisher reports good results with Linux.

:-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 04/15/2018 12:12 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-04-15 21:05, John Andersen wrote:

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On 04/15/2018 10:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Mine is rated 30000 pages/month. I never got even close, but when I bought it I printed books: I did not have an ereader. Now I use it little, but I appreciate that the nozzles never dry. No ink to dry. I don't need to clean it, it just prints instantly when asked. Reliable.

Yes, I never understood the rationale for citing a high duty cycle as a reason NOT to buy. So what if you never approach that. It just lasts longer.

It all comes down to Cost of printer and cost to operate.

Right.

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Another great printer was the hp laserjet pro P1606dn. (B+W only, No longer made).

This printer was under $200 when it came out, and they just wouldn't die. People are now asking $500-ish for new ones from left over stock, although esupplybox.com still has them for 220-ish.

Suddenly the HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP m477 Fnw ($380-ish) doesn't seem so expensive. (I'd spring for the FDN model which has fully automatic duplex printing for $20 more)

I definitely would go for duplex at that price :-)

I have to do manual duplexing, which is a nuisance.

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HP had to discontinue the P1606dn because they were killing sales of business class lasers. Cheap enough to put one on everybody's desk. And in small office environments everyone was pushing them beyond their duty cycle with zero problems.

LOL.

They don't make them that good now. All plastic. I remember the old ones made of iron.

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Having one printer that does it all and delivers gorgeous color prints as well as 28ppm dual side printing makes sense. And Brand X toner (V4INK) is available for under $120 for all 4 toner cartridges - less than half the HP price. Black only cartridge (the one you will use the most) is Under $45, less than a single ink-jet cartridge for my current all-in-one.

So I'm thinking I might buy one of these to replace two printers. Especially if Don Fisher reports good results with Linux.

:-) I am still confused by the documentation. The Linux Foundation Open Printing site: http://www.openprinting.org/driver/hplip/

Does not list the HP Laser Jet Pro M477fdw in their supported printers list. But the HP developers site: https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/in... does list it. How does one know what to trust. Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/15/2018 03:27 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

your M477fdw may be too new for openprinting.

Your M477fdw may be too new for openprinting *to be a reliable source.* HPLIP is an HP product. If it says its supported then it is. But again, I recommend getting HPLIP directly from HP so as to have the latest version. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* don fisher [01-01-70 12:34]:

On 04/15/2018 03:27 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* don fisher [04-15-18 17:57]: [...]

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I am still confused by the documentation. The Linux Foundation Open Printing site: http://www.openprinting.org/driver/hplip/

Does not list the HP Laser Jet Pro M477fdw in their supported printers list.

But the HP developers site: https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/in...

does list it. How does one know what to trust.

hp provides the linux drivers for their supported printers. in my experience, they are good and work well.

openprinting only reports their experience and what users report to them. searching their site for my "HP Officejet Pro 8620" provides:

Comments For basic printing functionality use the HPIJS driver . For advanced functionality such as printer status, maintenance features, scanning and photo card unload use the HPLIP driver (which includes HPIJS). Consumables/Refills: 4 cartridges: one for each color of CMYK. Also 4 replaceable printheads.

and my printer/scanner works perfectly with the hp provided linux drivers, hplip.

your M477fdw may be too new for openprinting.

Thanks. Amazon says it was available in 2015, so I did not consider it new. But???

if you really consider the situation, hp provides good drivers. why should openprinting waste their time and efforts duplicating a project. it would only take time away from developing a driver for an currently unsupported printer. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org