On 2022-02-10 22:00, joea- lists wrote:

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Originally installed a test 15.3 system as a simple server, no graphics environment. It's been maybe a decade since I had to install and configure an X system from scratch.

You need to install one of the graphical environment patterns. Perhaps "patterns-base-x11", maybe "patterns-base-basic_desktop" too.

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Added X11 via Yast. Accepted the required additions.

systemctl start xdm.service fails. Due to "dependencies". Did find a few

services it needed that were not installed by YAST.

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Still failed to start.

Eventually I found it was failing due to "not configured". Suse docs seem to say it does "not normally need to be configured" and should just work.

I've so far found no configuration utilities to assist. At least none seem to be installed.

Any assistance is appreciated.

Run "startx" on a console, and paste here the result.

If you need it, you could run "gpm" service to get mouse support in text mode.

-- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)

I got "systemctl start xdm.service" to start after installing many more x items via YAST. No idea which specific thing it was that "fixed it". startx is unhappy. Below is the screen output. I suspect I still need to run a setup/config for this specific machine, as the config file I copied from another is old and has bad keywords. I've not found one as yet. X.Org X Server 1.20.3 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: openSUSE SUSE LINUX Current Operating System: Linux fletch 5.3.18-150300.59.46-default #1 SMP Tue Feb 1 16:19:33 UTC 2022 (fb6d1ec) x86_64 Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.3.18-150300.59.46-default root=UUID=d50aa705-efa7-4634-88d8-21b94d2bc0c6 splash=silent resume=/dev/sda3 mitigations=auto quiet Build Date: 14 December 2021 12:00:00PM Current version of pixman: 0.34.0 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Feb 10 17:35:04 2022 (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" Parse error on line 44 of section Files in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf Ignoring obsolete keyword "InputDevices". Parse error on line 45 of section Files in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf Ignoring obsolete keyword "InputDevices". VMware: No 3D enabled (0, Success). (EE) Fatal server error: (EE) failed to create screen resources(EE) (EE) Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. (EE) Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. (EE) (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. xinit: giving up xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused xinit: server error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- xinit failed. /usr/bin/Xorg is not setuid, maybe that's the reason? If so either use a display manager (strongly recommended) or adjust /etc/permissions.local and run "chkstat --system --set" afterwards

On 2022-02-10 23:40, joea- lists wrote:

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On 2022-02-10 22:00, joea- lists wrote:

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I got "systemctl start xdm.service" to start after installing many more x

items via YAST.

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No idea which specific thing it was that "fixed it".

startx is unhappy. Below is the screen output. I suspect I still need to run a setup/config for this specific machine, as the config file I copied from another is old and has bad keywords. I've not found one as yet.

If xdm.service is running, and you get a graphical session, then you do not need to try startx.

Copying the config file is a bad idea. In fact, the default is no config file (talking of /etc/X11/xorg.conf). If you copied it, you should delete it.

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Parse error on line 45 of section Files in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf Ignoring obsolete keyword "InputDevices". VMware: No 3D enabled (0, Success).

Is this a virtual machine?

Yes, it is a VM. I got things working to the point I could do a VNC session from my PC. However, I want to emulate another system where I can VNC into a port other than the default (standard) VNC port. Although I have it (apparently) working (no errors on starting that configuration) I cannot access it remotely as I can other servers. It appears it is due to the chosen port being blocked by firewall. In "the new order" of things I do not see a way to allow "custom" ports to pass via the firewall control in YAST, only the "known" services are selectable. I'll keep looking for a way to do this, but, perhaps someone knows, right off hand. joe a.

* joea- lists [02-11-22 11:44]:

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On 2022-02-10 23:40, joea- lists wrote:

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On 2022-02-10 22:00, joea- lists wrote:

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I got "systemctl start xdm.service" to start after installing many more x

items via YAST.

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No idea which specific thing it was that "fixed it".

startx is unhappy. Below is the screen output. I suspect I still need to run a setup/config for this specific machine, as the config file I copied from another is old and has bad keywords. I've not found one as yet.

If xdm.service is running, and you get a graphical session, then you do not need to try startx.

Copying the config file is a bad idea. In fact, the default is no config file (talking of /etc/X11/xorg.conf). If you copied it, you should delete it.

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Parse error on line 45 of section Files in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf Ignoring obsolete keyword "InputDevices". VMware: No 3D enabled (0, Success).

Is this a virtual machine?

Yes, it is a VM. I got things working to the point I could do a VNC session from my PC.

However, I want to emulate another system where I can VNC into a port other than the default (standard) VNC port. Although I have it (apparently) working (no errors on starting that configuration) I cannot access it remotely as I can other servers. It appears it is due to the chosen port being blocked by firewall.

In "the new order" of things I do not see a way to allow "custom" ports to pass via the firewall control in YAST, only the "known" services are selectable.

log into the host machine, then to the VM. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times...

* joea- lists [02-11-22 14:01]:

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* joea‑ lists [02‑11‑22 11:44]:

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On 2022‑02‑10 23:40, joea‑ lists wrote: On 2022‑02‑10 22:00, joea‑ lists wrote:

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I got "systemctl start xdm.service" to start after installing

many more x

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items via YAST.

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No idea which specific thing it was that "fixed it".

startx is unhappy. Below is the screen output. I suspect I still need to run a setup/config for this specific machine, as the config file I copied from another is old and has bad keywords. I've not found one as yet.

If xdm.service is running, and you get a graphical session, then you do not need to try startx.

Copying the config file is a bad idea. In fact, the default is no config file (talking of /etc/X11/xorg.conf). If you copied it, you should

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delete it.

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Parse error on line 45 of section Files in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf Ignoring obsolete keyword "InputDevices". VMware: No 3D enabled (0, Success).

Is this a virtual machine?

Yes, it is a VM. I got things working to the point I could do a VNC session from my PC.

However, I want to emulate another system where I can VNC into a port other than the default (standard) VNC port. Although I have it (apparently) working (no errors on starting that configuration) I cannot access it remotely as I can other servers. It appears it is due to the chosen port being blocked by firewall.

In "the new order" of things I do not see a way to allow "custom" ports to pass via the firewall control in YAST, only the "known" services are selectable.

log into the host machine, then to the VM.

‑‑ (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no‑ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times...

Not following you. The firewall I want to manipulate is on the VM. I found a way to add the port via "firewall-cmd", and it works, but YAST does not show it at all

Is there a way to add "custom ports" via YAST or is it limited to "known port"?

yast2 firewall zones external ports or zones trusted ports or zones internal ports but I am not a firewall expert nor a YaST expert, I moved my ssh using firewall-config use them one at a time to see which works and is the least vulnerable -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times...

On 11/02/2022 20.00, joea- lists wrote:

Not following you. The firewall I want to manipulate is on the VM. I found a way to add the port via "firewall-cmd", and it works, but YAST does not show it at all

Is there a way to add "custom ports" via YAST or is it limited to "known port"?

I used firewallctl before, but it is gone in 15.3 I have not tried the yast module in 15.3 yet, let me see. Yes, if you click on the zone, you have a tab for services and another for ports. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.3 (Legolas))

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:26:14 -0500 "joea- lists" wrote:

Regarding "off list replies", sorry, but that may happen from time to time. I haunt a number of lists and the default "reply" address seems to vary on a per list basis.

This is true. Depends on various things.

Here I have to do "reply all" then remember to delete the "personal" address. One can forget to intervene.

Dunno which MUA you use (can't be bothered looking) but for me it works here correctly by default and for other lists I set my MUA to do the appropriate thing when I hit reply-list.

Not meant to be annoying, but, there it is.

That approach is the fast way to my bit-bucket :) i.e. you may not get many replies if you persist in being impolite.

* joea- lists [02-11-22 19:01]:

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On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:26:14 ‑0500 "joea‑ lists" wrote:

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Regarding "off list replies", sorry, but that may happen from time to time. I haunt a number of lists and the default "reply" address seems to vary on a per list basis.

This is true. Depends on various things.

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Here I have to do "reply all" then remember to delete the "personal" address. One can forget to intervene.

Dunno which MUA you use (can't be bothered looking) but for me it2 works here correctly by default and for other lists I set my MUA to do the appropriate thing when I hit reply‑list.

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Not meant to be annoying, but, there it is.

but it is annoying and on you to control your chosen mail client. perhaps you need to make *specific* configurations for mail lists you find it necessary to "reply all". my client recognizes configured mail lists and replies to the list and it is on me to *make* it do otherwise.

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That approach is the fast way to my bit‑bucket :) i.e. you may not get many replies if you persist in being impolite.

I was not attempting at all to be impolite. Just stating a fact to explain what I expect to be a RARE transgression.

But it seems YOU are attempting to "make a statement" that seems rather confrontational, instantly judgmental and frankly, rude.

I consider lists like this to be quite useful for technical matters and quite inappropriate as a place for snark and ego games.

while the OPs wording may have been somewhat critical, you are trying to redirect the problem as a defense.

Been in this business for 5 Decades in various capacities.

and you are probably younger than I am, but if "5 Decades" is indeed true, you should be more critical of yourself as I recall that little latitude was given in the early days.

If I misjudged your comments, my apologies.

maybe better to just correctly configure your chosen mail client. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times...

* joea- lists  [02-13-22 16:55]:
> >>> 
> > * joea- lists  [02-11-22 19:01]:
> >> 
> >> > On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:26:14 ‑0500
> >> > "joea‑ lists"  wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> Regarding "off list replies", sorry, but that may happen from
> time
> >> to
> >> >> time. I haunt a number of lists and the default "reply" address
> seems
> >> >> to vary on a per list basis.
> >> > 
> >> > This is true. Depends on various things.
> >> > 
> >> >>  Here I have to do "reply all" then
> >> >> remember to delete the "personal" address.  One can forget to
> >> >> intervene.   
> >> > 
> >> > Dunno which MUA you use (can't be bothered looking) but for me
> it2
> >> > works here correctly by default and for other lists I set my MUA
> to do
> >> > the appropriate thing when I hit reply‑list.
> >> > 
> >> >> Not meant to be annoying, but, there it is.
> > 
> > but it is annoying and on you to control your chosen mail client. 
> perhaps
> > you need to make *specific* configurations for mail lists you find
> it
> > necessary to "reply all".  my client recognizes configured mail lists
> and
> > replies to the list and it is on me to *make* it do otherwise.
> > 
> 
> Since, as mentioned, the email client and store I am using is ancient
> and
> proprietary.  

remember that it is *your* chosen email client.

> Meaning, in my case, there is no access to source code,
> so,
> zero chance of making any alterations to reply to behavior.
> 
> The lists to which I can simply reply have "Reply-To:" in the headers, 
> The
> ones to which I must "reply all" do not.  They all have "List-Id:": and
> other
> list specific items in the header.  
> 

then, if you must "reply all", then you also must edit the To: field.  it
surely is not too much to remember as you did have to notice *your*
requirement to "reply all".

> >> > 
> >> > That approach is the fast way to my bit‑bucket :) i.e. you may not
> get
> >> > many replies if you persist in being impolite.
> >> 
> >> I was not attempting at all to be impolite.  Just stating a fact to
> >> explain what I expect to be a RARE transgression.
> >> 
> >> But it seems YOU are attempting to "make a statement" that seems 
> >> rather confrontational, instantly judgmental and frankly, rude.
> >> 
> >> I consider lists like this to be quite useful for technical matters
> and
> >> quite inappropriate as a place for snark and ego games.
> > 
> > while the OPs wording may have been somewhat critical, you are trying
> to
> > redirect the problem as a defense.
> 
> I am not "defending" a thing.  I am explaining why an occasional "off
> list" response 
> may occur.   
> 
> When I get the occasional "off list" email from a member of some list I
> haunt, I simply 
> delete it and get on with my life. 
>   
> >> Been in this business for 5 Decades in various capacities. 
> > 
> > and you are probably younger than I am, but if "5 Decades" is indeed
> true,
> > you should be more critical of yourself as I recall that little
> latitude
> > was given in the early days.
> 
> Why the implied doubt of my veracity? 
> 
> Even on the strictest lists, or hose noted for "flames", I never saw
> anything
> more than genteel reminders for such breeches of expected behavior. 
> The first
> couple of time, anyway.
> 
> >> If I misjudged your comments, my apologies.
> > 
> > maybe better to just correctly configure your chosen mail client.
> > -- 
> 
> Which, I have stated above and previously, is not possible.
> 
> Perhaps you need to adjust your tolerance quotient a bit for the
> situation others 
> may be in.
> 
> Thanks for your comments.  I consider the matter addressed and closed.

your "consideration" is certainly appreciated.  but you haven't closed
the issue, ie: not resolved.

ps: the "hard returns" you include in your replies certainly make the
difficult to read and quote and trying to trim it is ridiculous.



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What sort of day was it?                  A day like all days, filled with 
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joea- lists composed on 2022-02-13 16:54 (UTC-0500):

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Perhaps you need to adjust your tolerance quotient a bit for the situation others may be in.

+1. My delete key works just fine. :) -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science.

Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

I admire a Man that takes control over his own environment! joe a.

From: Dave Howorth Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:03:23 +0000

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:26:14 ‑0500 "joea‑ lists" wrote:

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. . . Here I have to do "reply all" then remember to delete the "personal" address. One can forget to intervene.

Dunno which MUA you use (can't be bothered looking) but for me it works here correctly by default and for other lists I set my MUA to do the appropriate thing when I hit reply‑list.

Does your MUA not consolidate duplicate deliveries based on Message‑ID? Mine doesn't, being fairly ancient, so I've hacked a delivery script that does it for me. And users@lists.opensuse.org is well‑behaved in that respect.

But all MUAs really should, since SMTP has a notorious timing error that can cause multiple deliveries even to a single address.

‑‑ Bob Rogers http://www.rgrjr.com/

I dunno. Never gave it any thought. I use Fetchmail to bring mail in and hand it to a postfix/spamassassin/clamav bodge up and then to my ancient and proprietary system. I do not deliberately mess with any addresses that lists related. joe a.

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On 2022-02-11 23:26, joea- lists wrote:

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On 11/02/2022 20.00, joea- lists wrote:

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Not following you. The firewall I want to manipulate is on the VM. I found a way to add the port via "firewall-cmd", and it works, but YAST does not show it at all

Is there a way to add "custom ports" via YAST or is it limited to "known port"?

I used firewallctl before, but it is gone in 15.3

I have not tried the yast module in 15.3 yet, let me see.

Yes, if you click on the zone, you have a tab for services and another for ports.

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And so it is. I am using the text version from a terminal and changed the colors. I need to work on getting better contrast.

Ah, I have not tried the text interface of this yast module

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Regarding "off list replies", sorry, but that may happen from time to time. I haunt a number of lists and the default "reply" address seems to vary on a per list basis. Here I have to do "reply all" then remember to delete the "personal" address. One can forget to intervene.

Not meant to be annoying, but, there it is.

I know.

There is an easy way, but not all mail client programs support it; Thunderbird does: I get a button that says "Reply to list".

Me, I don't care if you occasionally reply to all and forget removing the direct reply ;-)

-- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Thanks for being accepting of others "less than perfect" behavior. joe al

On 2/10/22 18:54, DennisG wrote:

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This indicates A first place to look therefore is whether there still is an xorg.conf on your system, and if so, do you actually need that and what is it doing?  You m

Mea culpa, composing error . . . --dg