My daughter and I have both SuSe 7.3 with Opera 5 installed. We have both the same internet bank connection. I am able to do my banking business, my daughter can not make contact with the bank. Opera version 6 and Konquerer do not work with this connection for whatever reason. I want to compare our opera setups and would like to know which files contain the important configuration information. Somebody can help there? --
There is a directory in your home directory :
.opera (with the period in front of it)
This contains all of the personal opera configuration files.
Jim
02/22/02 09:00:59 AM, Constant Brouerius van Nidek
My daughter and I have both SuSe 7.3 with Opera 5 installed. We have both the same internet bank connection. I am able to do my banking business, my daughter can not make contact with the bank. Opera version 6 and Konquerer do not work with this connection for whatever reason. I want to compare our opera setups and would like to know which files contain the important configuration information. Somebody can help there? --
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On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 10:00:59PM +0700, Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
My daughter and I have both SuSe 7.3 with Opera 5 installed. We have both the same internet bank connection. I am able to do my banking business, my daughter can not make contact with the bank. Opera version 6 and Konquerer do not work with this connection for whatever reason. I want to compare our opera setups and would like to know which files contain the important configuration information. Somebody can help there?
Just so you are aware, Opera has long standing issues with javascript in web pages. It is very fast and I like Opera, but when I do my online banking, I use a late model mozilla (0.97+). You could try that if you get stuck with Opera. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ wielder of vi(m), an ancient, dangerous and powerful magic free your mind, and your OS will follow
On Friday 22 February 2002 19:50, Keith Winston wrote:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 10:00:59PM +0700, Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
My daughter and I have both SuSe 7.3 with Opera 5 installed. We have both the same internet bank connection. I am able to do my banking business, my daughter can not make contact with the bank. Opera version 6 and Konquerer do not work with this connection for whatever reason. <snip>
Just so you are aware, Opera has long standing issues with javascript in web pages. It is very fast and I like Opera, but when I do my online banking, I use a late model mozilla (0.97+). You could try that if you get stuck with Opera.
The worst thing is that "everybody" expect you to use IE, and if your lucky then they'll support Netscape, and yes some even Opera. I had problems with my bank nothing happened in my Opera 6 TP3, just blank screen , and when I looked at the source it checked which browser I was using: if IE4 then if IE5 then if IE5.5 then if IE6 then if Netscape then if Opera5 then else scre** you Mozilla didn't work, Konquerer didn't work, but Netscape 6 did (I had to install it just for that purpose only). Is sad that if you don't use IE you'll be frozen out on the net... (98% of all our clients use IE so we support that only) regards Jónas
Just to add my 2 cents to this browser conversation. I went to Capital One's site yesterday for the first time to check my open credit on my CC. Netscape 6, Mozilla and Konqueror are forbidden to be used on this companies website. I did get in with an older beta of Opera6 which instills SO much confidence in me. I called their 1-800 and I was told that Netscape 6.X and Mozilla DO not support 128bit SSL connections and therefore I couldn't use them. It was for security reasons. I proceeded to tell the woman that if she wanted to discuss security ..we were going to have a "coming to Jesus" meeting because that's what my job pays me that high 5 figure salary for...and we discussed it. She said I could "write an email" I said I was not going to do that and that if their service was so behind and so backwards that they would let IE w/ it's many security holes and Netscape 4.X into their site I was going to be writing a letter of cancelation to their company and I was going to transfer the balence of my CC from them to another card. I told I just don't feel safe using such a backwards financial institute. Lets just face it..the MCSD's and lazy webdevelopers have taken over the web...it's a big ole POS. You can spoof the id of the browser and it should work. You can have mozilla identify itself as IE or whatever and it should work, but I wouldn't. I would just change banks. * Jonas Helgi Palsson (jonas@mi.uib.no) [020224 16:32]: ->On Friday 22 February 2002 19:50, Keith Winston wrote: ->> On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 10:00:59PM +0700, Constant Brouerius van Nidek ->wrote: ->> > My daughter and I have both SuSe 7.3 with Opera 5 installed. We have ->> > both the same internet bank connection. ->> > I am able to do my banking business, my daughter can not make contact ->> > with the bank. Opera version 6 and Konquerer do not work with this ->> > connection for whatever reason. -><snip> -> ->> Just so you are aware, Opera has long standing issues with javascript in ->> web pages. It is very fast and I like Opera, but when I do my online ->> banking, I use a late model mozilla (0.97+). You could try that if you ->> get stuck with Opera. -> ->The worst thing is that "everybody" expect you to use IE, and if your lucky ->then they'll support Netscape, and yes some even Opera. ->I had problems with my bank nothing happened in my Opera 6 TP3, just blank ->screen , and when I looked at the source it checked which browser I was ->using: ->if IE4 then ->if IE5 then ->if IE5.5 then ->if IE6 then ->if Netscape then ->if Opera5 then ->else scre** you -> ->Mozilla didn't work, Konquerer didn't work, but Netscape 6 did (I had to ->install it just for that purpose only). -> ->Is sad that if you don't use IE you'll be frozen out on the net... (98% of ->all our clients use IE so we support that only) -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC
On Monday 25 February 2002 02.38, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
You can spoof the id of the browser and it should work. You can have mozilla identify itself as IE or whatever and it should work, but I wouldn't. I would just change banks.
Unfortunately, it seems MS has caught on to this, and many sites don't check the id string anymore, they have a test to see if some IE specific javascript class or other is present, and that seems to be good enough to block konqi regardless of "Browser identification". But I agree, changing banks it the best policy. Lost custom is something any commercial company pays good attention to //Anders
Agreed, we cannot become lazy and complacent like these Web site developers.
We must vote with out feet if necessary.
Lord, if for no other reason, we need to stop these damn viruses which
IE/Outlook/IIS encourage (I am tired of getting hundreds of nimda and code red
entries in my firewall log, although I could then have fun with their machines).
Jim
02/24/02 07:48:05 PM, Anders Johansson
On Monday 25 February 2002 02.38, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
You can spoof the id of the browser and it should work. You can have mozilla identify itself as IE or whatever and it should work, but I wouldn't. I would just change banks.
Unfortunately, it seems MS has caught on to this, and many sites don't check the id string anymore, they have a test to see if some IE specific javascript class or other is present, and that seems to be good enough to block konqi regardless of "Browser identification".
But I agree, changing banks it the best policy. Lost custom is something any commercial company pays good attention to
//Anders
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This is regretably what appears to be happening over time. Too many sites are
supporting IE as a primary browser with the other's not supported 100%. Good
sites use standards, but the developers of many sites are getting lazy and writing
code for IEeeee (scream like your hair is on fire, because it is)and not doing a
good job of testing for compatibility with other browsers.
Isn't it great, the very people who complain the most about the cost of viri (viruses)
in their organizations are the same people who encourage the use of insecure
products which aid in the spread of those very same viruses.
I personally do not use IE, even in Windows, and refuse to support sites which
are not compatible with the browsers which I use (Opera and Mozilla).
OK, enough of my rant.
Jim
02/24/02 06:32:09 PM, Jonas Helgi Palsson
On Friday 22 February 2002 19:50, Keith Winston wrote:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 10:00:59PM +0700, Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
My daughter and I have both SuSe 7.3 with Opera 5 installed. We have both the same internet bank connection. I am able to do my banking business, my daughter can not make contact with the bank. Opera version 6 and Konquerer do not work with this connection for whatever reason. <snip>
Just so you are aware, Opera has long standing issues with javascript in web pages. It is very fast and I like Opera, but when I do my online banking, I use a late model mozilla (0.97+). You could try that if you get stuck with Opera.
The worst thing is that "everybody" expect you to use IE, and if your lucky then they'll support Netscape, and yes some even Opera. I had problems with my bank nothing happened in my Opera 6 TP3, just blank screen , and when I looked at the source it checked which browser I was using: if IE4 then if IE5 then if IE5.5 then if IE6 then if Netscape then if Opera5 then else scre** you
Mozilla didn't work, Konquerer didn't work, but Netscape 6 did (I had to install it just for that purpose only).
Is sad that if you don't use IE you'll be frozen out on the net... (98% of all our clients use IE so we support that only)
regards Jónas
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This is regretably what appears to be happening over time. Too many sites are supporting IE as a primary browser with the other's not supported 100%. Good sites use standards, but the developers of many sites are getting lazy and writing code for IEeeee (scream like your hair is on fire, because it is)and not doing a good job of testing for compatibility with other browsers.
Isn't it great, the very people who complain the most about the cost of viri (viruses) in their organizations are the same people who encourage the use of insecure products which aid in the spread of those very same viruses.
I personally do not use IE, even in Windows, and refuse to support sites which are not compatible with the browsers which I use (Opera and Mozilla).
there is a reason my ms was declare to be a monopoly; eventhough i dont like chase konqueror is working great with my online account
->good job of testing for compatibility with other browsers. It's not that it doesn't work. I made a user.js and put it in my .mozilla directory that forced Mozilla to tell the server it was MSIE 5.5 and it works fine at Capital One..What's happening is that the server is querying for user-agent strings and it's rejecting you based on that and nothing else..the site prolly works with Mozilla..but the lazyass webmasters think it won't and don't test it. As I said in my last email..the tech support at Capital One flat out said Netscape 6.X and Mozilla are not capable of 128bit SSL connections. With developers that damn stupid maybe we should just shut the webdown and go outside. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC
This thread is very interesting and helpful. I'm a Capital 1 customer too,
but haven't tried to reach their tech people. To take the lazy way out, I
shuffle to another room to a winxp machine to browse there.
My netscape browser on my Linux station doesn't display fonts as nicely as
the xp does. Plus it's not all OS and browser fault. xp has the new Mag 19"
monitor and I got relegated the older 17" monitor. So some of it is just
monitor performance, in my case. I need to spend some time getting the fonts
to look better. Copy some TT fonts over. Is there a short answer to what
'anti-alias' is in terms of font? It seems like such a non-descriptive,
non-intuitive term to me.
I bank with my credit union and they're going to web based online banking
and leaving their 1-800 # and terminal access on March 1. I have no idea how
that will play out in terms of browser access. I thought the 800# was so
much more secure than a web interface. The 800 number even worked calling it
from Germany last summer. Seems to me like they're moving backwards. But
they think they're moving forwards.
Tom
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From: "Ben Rosenberg"
->good job of testing for compatibility with other browsers.
It's not that it doesn't work. I made a user.js and put it in my .mozilla directory that forced Mozilla to tell the server it was MSIE 5.5 and it works fine at Capital One..What's happening is that the server is querying for user-agent strings and it's rejecting you based on that and nothing else..the site prolly works with Mozilla..but the lazyass webmasters think it won't and don't test it. As I said in my last email..the tech support at Capital One flat out said Netscape 6.X and Mozilla are not capable of 128bit SSL connections. With developers that damn stupid maybe we should just shut the webdown and go outside.
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On Monday 25 February 2002 09:42, James Bliss wrote:
This is regretably what appears to be happening over time. Too many sites are supporting IE as a primary browser with the other's not supported 100%. Good sites use standards, but the developers of many sites are getting lazy and writing code for IEeeee (scream like your hair is on fire, because it is)and not doing a good job of testing for compatibility with other browsers.
rant mode on After I got rid of my Windoze based systems, I begin to regret the move; specially since I am currently looking for work here in Australia. To apply for a government job here, one must download a 'job information package'. As I am using Linux now (Suse V7.3), there is not much joy in doing this. Because of the fancy web pages, Netscape just crashes out, Konqueror goes in to a tight loop because of sloppy javascripts and plugins, Lynx doens't work because it can't do javascript neither does the old Mosaic. I haven't tried opera yet. When one deals with with private companies, one has a choice to change to an alternative company, but when the government forces jobseekers to access their web pages and designs their web pages in such a way that these can only be viewed wit IE, it becomes discriminatory. Try their glorious site at http://www.joblist.com.au. rant mode off I feel better now. I called them several times and complained about this. I leave it to your imagination how far I got with the bureaucrates. Should anybody find out how to access the above web site successfully, I would appreciate your hints. Peter Sutter
On Monday 25 February 2002 05:37, Peter Sutter wrote:
Try their glorious site at http://www.joblist.com.au.
Works just fine here with konqueror 2.9.2 under kde3 beta. Flash animation and everything. Of course I don't know what it's *supposed* to look like, but I can't find anything that looks missing. I can search the job database (there's an opening for a records officer in Kalgoorlie at $36K. Maternity leave and everything :) //Anders
Peter, I didn't seem to have any problems with this site either, using Konq 2.2.2 browser! Flash worked good, all links cooperated with me and I did a search for a few jobs while there! :o) Looks like it might be a setup problem with you as there were no glitches while Konqueror on my 7.3 moved around the site you suggested. Hope you find your problem there. Patrick ======================= On Sunday 24 February 2002 11:37 pm, Peter Sutter, went on about:
rant mode on After I got rid of my Windoze based systems, I begin to regret the move; specially since I am currently looking for work here in Australia. To apply for a government job here, one must download a 'job information package'. As I am using Linux now (Suse V7.3), there is not much joy in doing this. Because of the fancy web pages, Netscape just crashes out, Konqueror goes in to a tight loop because of sloppy javascripts and plugins, Lynx doens't work because it can't do javascript neither does the old Mosaic. I haven't tried opera yet. When one deals with with private companies, one has a choice to change to an alternative company, but when the government forces jobseekers to access their web pages and designs their web pages in such a way that these can only be viewed wit IE, it becomes discriminatory. Try their glorious site at http://www.joblist.com.au. rant mode off
I feel better now. I called them several times and complained about this. I leave it to your imagination how far I got with the bureaucrates.
Should anybody find out how to access the above web site successfully, I would appreciate your hints.
Peter Sutter
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On Sunday 24 February 2002 11:37 pm, Peter Sutter, went on about: Peter,
Should anybody find out how to access the above web site successfully, I would appreciate your hints.
Peter: I was able to access http://www.joblist.com.au easily with Konqueror 2.2.2. Look: Department for Planning and Infrastructure Telecommunications Administrator Position No. 20010045 Salary: $47,393 - $52,379 pa Perth and Fremantle So it is working no doubt. I amusing the KDE 2.2.2 rpms fro SuSE's site with Qt-2.3.1. Jonathan
Can you try this one. It is supposed to control a video camera at the Adelaide Festival of Arts. http://www.robocam.net/ Brian Marr kde 2.1.1 On Monday 25 February 2002 15:35, you wrote:
Peter, I didn't seem to have any problems with this site either, using Konq 2.2.2 browser! Flash worked good, all links cooperated with me and I did a search for a few jobs while there! :o)
Looks like it might be a setup problem with you as there were no glitches while Konqueror on my 7.3 moved around the site you suggested. Hope you find your problem there.
Patrick =======================
On Sunday 24 February 2002 11:37 pm, Peter Sutter, went on about:
rant mode on After I got rid of my Windoze based systems, I begin to regret the move; specially since I am currently looking for work here in Australia. To apply for a government job here, one must download a 'job information package'. As I am using Linux now (Suse V7.3), there is not much joy in doing this. Because of the fancy web pages, Netscape just crashes out, Konqueror goes in to a tight loop because of sloppy javascripts and plugins, Lynx doens't work because it can't do javascript neither does the old Mosaic. I haven't tried opera yet. When one deals with with private companies, one has a choice to change to an alternative company, but when the government forces jobseekers to access their web pages and designs their web pages in such a way that these can only be viewed wit IE, it becomes discriminatory. Try their glorious site at http://www.joblist.com.au. rant mode off
I feel better now. I called them several times and complained about this. I leave it to your imagination how far I got with the bureaucrates.
Should anybody find out how to access the above web site successfully, I would appreciate your hints.
Peter Sutter
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On Sunday 24 February 2002 08:37 pm, Peter Sutter wrote:
On Monday 25 February 2002 09:42, James Bliss wrote:
This is regretably what appears to be happening over time. Too many sites are supporting IE as a primary browser with the other's not supported 100%.
I agree w/ your assesment, nothin' chafes my butt worse than being told I need m$wrd to get some form. I generally try to let the author/site maintainer know what application I actually used to print the form. ------------------snip----------------------- Try
their glorious site at http://www.joblist.com.au.
Actually it is a very nice looking site everything seemed to work for me SuSE7.2 pro, kde2.2.2, konqeror 2.2.2, (reports itself as Mozilla/5.0 compatible; Konqueror2.2.2, linux), java and javascript on. (I use suns java2 1.4beta) I found no link or reference to the 'job information package' you mentioned though. good luck dh
* Peter Sutter (sutterp@sopac.com.au) [020224 20:32]: -> ->rant mode on ->After I got rid of my Windoze based systems, I begin to regret the move; ->specially since I am currently looking for work here in Australia. To ->apply for a government job here, one must download a 'job information ->package'. As I am using Linux now (Suse V7.3), there is not much joy in ->doing this. Because of the fancy web pages, Netscape just crashes out, ->Konqueror goes in to a tight loop because of sloppy javascripts and ->plugins, Lynx doens't work because it can't do javascript neither does ->the old Mosaic. I haven't tried opera yet. When one deals with with ->private companies, one has a choice to change to an alternative company, ->but when the government forces jobseekers to access their web pages and ->designs their web pages in such a way that these can only be viewed wit ->IE, it becomes discriminatory. Try their glorious site at ->http://www.joblist.com.au. Please don't shoot me, but I just messed around choosing several options for about 15 minutes with no reponse issues what so ever. I'm using the following: Mozilla 0.9.8 CrossOver plugin Sun's Java V1.4 Macromedia Flash 5.0 I'm not sure why I would have better luck then anyone else. Give this combo a try. The CrossOver plugin costs though and I'm not sure that it makes a difference on the site. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC
Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Peter Sutter (sutterp@sopac.com.au) [020224 20:32]: -> ->rant mode on ->After I got rid of my Windoze based systems, I begin to regret the move;
I moved from Windows 3.1 (pre-install) to OS/2 back to Windows 98 (no hardware drivers for new machine) to SuSE Linux. I have never liked any flavor of M$, and never regretted moving away from the 'reboot' solution. ;-)
->specially since I am currently looking for work here in Australia. To ->apply for a government job here, one must download a 'job information ->package'. As I am using Linux now (Suse V7.3), there is not much joy in ->doing this. Because of the fancy web pages, Netscape just crashes out, ->Konqueror goes in to a tight loop because of sloppy javascripts and ->plugins, Lynx doens't work because it can't do javascript neither does ->the old Mosaic. I haven't tried opera yet. When one deals with with ->private companies, one has a choice to change to an alternative company, ->but when the government forces jobseekers to access their web pages and ->designs their web pages in such a way that these can only be viewed wit ->IE, it becomes discriminatory. Try their glorious site at ->http://www.joblist.com.au.
Please don't shoot me, but I just messed around choosing several options for about 15 minutes with no reponse issues what so ever.
I'm using the following:
Mozilla 0.9.8
CrossOver plugin Sun's Java V1.4 Macromedia Flash 5.0
I'm not sure why I would have better luck then anyone else. Give this combo a try. The CrossOver plugin costs though and I'm not sure that it makes a difference on the site.
When I first went to this site (Moz .9.8, Flash 5.0, Java 1.3.1), I only got a page saying " Thankyou for visiting /JOBLIST./ " After seeing all the success stories, I decided to check a bit more. I tried re-enabling the Java option in Preferences>Advanced>Scripts and Windows>Open unrequested windows (I disabled to kill those annoying ads :-) ), and voila, it opened and works fine. Maybe Peter, you also have this disabled in your preferences. HTH -- Joe & Sesil Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Web Address: www.mydestiny.net/~joe_morris Registered Linux user 231871
Hi all, well this is the result of running the complainant's page (http://www.joblist.com.au) past the html validator (great tool) supplied by the world wide web consortium at http://validator.w3.org/: "[W3C] HTML Validation Service Results URI: Last Modified: Thu Sep 6 02:09:10 2001 Server: Netscape-FastTrack/2.0a Content Length: 1448 Detected Character Encoding: iso Select Character Encoding: Options: Show Source Outline Parse Tree ...no attributes Warnings * Warning: Character Encoding mismatch! The character encoding specified in the HTTP header («iso») is different from the one specified in the META element («iso-8859-1»). I will use «iso» for this validation. Sorry! A fatal error occurred when attempting to transcode the character encoding of the document. Either we do not support this character encoding yet, or you have specified a non-existent character encoding (often a misspelling). The detected character encoding was "iso". The error was "". If you believe the character encoding to be valid you can submit a request for that character encoding (see the feedback page for details) and we will look into supporting it in the future." They must have some kind of equal ops policy, and certainly should have an access policy for visually impaired / otherwise disabled readers. These pages must breach it. I'd suggest all interested Aussies bombard the relevant government departments so that they produce valid html and preferably so they rate with Bobby as well: http://www.cast.org/Bobby/AboutBobby313.cfm This page makes it clear that: "Many people with disabilities use special Web browsers, such as one that reads text out loud using a speech synthesizer for blind users." Best to all Fergus On Monday 25 February 2002 06:59, you wrote:
Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Peter Sutter (sutterp@sopac.com.au) [020224 20:32]: -> ->rant mode on ->After I got rid of my Windoze based systems, I begin to regret the move;
I moved from Windows 3.1 (pre-install) to OS/2 back to Windows 98 (no hardware drivers for new machine) to SuSE Linux. I have never liked any flavor of M$, and never regretted moving away from the 'reboot' solution. ;-)
->specially since I am currently looking for work here in Australia. To ->apply for a government job here, one must download a 'job information ->package'. As I am using Linux now (Suse V7.3), there is not much joy in ->doing this. Because of the fancy web pages, Netscape just crashes out, ->Konqueror goes in to a tight loop because of sloppy javascripts and ->plugins, Lynx doens't work because it can't do javascript neither does ->the old Mosaic. I haven't tried opera yet. When one deals with with ->private companies, one has a choice to change to an alternative company, ->but when the government forces jobseekers to access their web pages and ->designs their web pages in such a way that these can only be viewed wit ->IE, it becomes discriminatory. Try their glorious site at ->http://www.joblist.com.au.
Please don't shoot me, but I just messed around choosing several options for about 15 minutes with no reponse issues what so ever.
I'm using the following:
Mozilla 0.9.8
CrossOver plugin Sun's Java V1.4 Macromedia Flash 5.0
I'm not sure why I would have better luck then anyone else. Give this combo a try. The CrossOver plugin costs though and I'm not sure that it makes a difference on the site.
When I first went to this site (Moz .9.8, Flash 5.0, Java 1.3.1), I only got a page saying " Thankyou for visiting /JOBLIST./ " After seeing all the success stories, I decided to check a bit more. I tried re-enabling the Java option in Preferences>Advanced>Scripts and Windows>Open unrequested windows (I disabled to kill those annoying ads :-) ), and voila, it opened and works fine. Maybe Peter, you also have this disabled in your preferences. HTH
Thanks to all who responded to my complaint about http://www.joblist.com.au, specially to Fergus Wilde who made me aware of the html validator; what a great and useful tool this is. Also many thanks to Joe Morris, who made me check the settings of konqueror. When I dis-enable Plugins, the site becomes viewable. I usually leave javascript on but turn Java itself off. The part where joblist loops is the netscape plugin which gets installed when one installs netscape. This plugin appears to be used by Konqueror as well. Based on the analysis results of the html validator, joblist is obviously not HTML compliant. This leads me to a few general questions. Is there not an RFC that governs the rules of HTML and is that RFC not to be considered as a sort of a standard one would normally adhere to? What is the use of providing contents via plugins if the plugin has to be turned off to view the site? Why should I have to re-configure browser settings to view one site and then have to re-configure it again fto view another one? Again, thanks to all that responded. The jobhunt is seriously on now. Ta Peter Sutter On Monday 25 February 2002 22:05, Fergus Wilde wrote:
Hi all, well this is the result of running the complainant's page (http://www.joblist.com.au) past the html validator (great tool) supplied by the world wide web consortium at http://validator.w3.org/:
"[W3C] HTML Validation Service Results URI: Last Modified: Thu Sep 6 02:09:10 2001 Server: Netscape-FastTrack/2.0a Content Length: 1448 Detected Character Encoding: iso Select Character Encoding: Options: Show Source Outline Parse Tree ...no attributes
Warnings
* Warning: Character Encoding mismatch! The character encoding specified in the HTTP header («iso») is different from the one specified in the META element («iso-8859-1»). I will use «iso» for this validation.
Sorry! A fatal error occurred when attempting to transcode the character encoding of the document. Either we do not support this character encoding yet, or you have specified a non-existent character encoding (often a misspelling).
The detected character encoding was "iso".
The error was "".
If you believe the character encoding to be valid you can submit a request for that character encoding (see the feedback page for details) and we will look into supporting it in the future."
They must have some kind of equal ops policy, and certainly should have an access policy for visually impaired / otherwise disabled readers. These pages must breach it. I'd suggest all interested Aussies bombard the relevant government departments so that they produce valid html and preferably so they rate with Bobby as well:
http://www.cast.org/Bobby/AboutBobby313.cfm
This page makes it clear that: "Many people with disabilities use special Web browsers, such as one that reads text out loud using a speech synthesizer for blind users."
Best to all Fergus
On Sunday 24 February 2002 20:37, Peter Sutter wrote:
when the government forces jobseekers to access their web pages and designs their web pages in such a way that these can only be viewed wit IE, it becomes discriminatory. Try their glorious site at http://www.joblist.com.au.
When I received a parking ticket in Vancouver BC, for parking between 2 locals who got away in time, their web site actually apologized for not yet supporting the first browser I attempted to use to pay my fine. Here in the US, the fafsa government web site gave me a big list of supported OS and browser combinations, apparently because it detected that I was running linux. None of the supported combinations involved linux, although it seems that Opera and Netscape are supported adequately. One of the MS web sites allows me to log in with Opera, but proceeds to tell me I must download software! I'm sure it's guaranteed not to run under Wine, given Bill G's attitude toward free software. I find the position of American linux shops harder to understand, when they reject resumes written in Word97 compatible format simply because they detect that they have come from a linux system. I'm fortunate enough to have landed a job which involves both Windows and linux work, but none of the engineering which I did for 30 years, so please don't consider this a rant mode.
It appears to work in Opera. I am running Opera version 5.0 and have it setup to
identify itself as IE 5.0.
Good luck with your job hunt.
Jim
02/24/02 10:37:42 PM, Peter Sutter
On Monday 25 February 2002 09:42, James Bliss wrote:
This is regretably what appears to be happening over time. Too many sites are supporting IE as a primary browser with the other's not supported 100%. Good sites use standards, but the developers of many sites are getting lazy and writing code for IEeeee (scream like your hair is on fire, because it is)and not doing a good job of testing for compatibility with other browsers.
rant mode on After I got rid of my Windoze based systems, I begin to regret the move; specially since I am currently looking for work here in Australia. To apply for a government job here, one must download a 'job information package'. As I am using Linux now (Suse V7.3), there is not much joy in doing this. Because of the fancy web pages, Netscape just crashes out, Konqueror goes in to a tight loop because of sloppy javascripts and plugins, Lynx doens't work because it can't do javascript neither does the old Mosaic. I haven't tried opera yet. When one deals with with private companies, one has a choice to change to an alternative company, but when the government forces jobseekers to access their web pages and designs their web pages in such a way that these can only be viewed wit IE, it becomes discriminatory. Try their glorious site at http://www.joblist.com.au. rant mode off
I feel better now. I called them several times and complained about this. I leave it to your imagination how far I got with the bureaucrates.
Should anybody find out how to access the above web site successfully, I would appreciate your hints.
Peter Sutter
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I just tried the webite with Opera 6.01 with it identifying itself as IE 5.5 and had no problems. Art -----Original Message----- From: Peter Sutter [mailto:sutterp@sopac.com.au] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:38 PM To: Suse english list Subject: Re: [SLE] opera v 5 problem On Monday 25 February 2002 09:42, James Bliss wrote:
This is regretably what appears to be happening over time. Too many sites are supporting IE as a primary browser with the other's not supported 100%. Good sites use standards, but the developers of many sites are getting lazy and writing code for IEeeee (scream like your hair is on fire, because it is)and not doing a good job of testing for compatibility with other browsers.
rant mode on After I got rid of my Windoze based systems, I begin to regret the move; specially since I am currently looking for work here in Australia. To apply for a government job here, one must download a 'job information package'. As I am using Linux now (Suse V7.3), there is not much joy in doing this. Because of the fancy web pages, Netscape just crashes out, Konqueror goes in to a tight loop because of sloppy javascripts and plugins, Lynx doens't work because it can't do javascript neither does the old Mosaic. I haven't tried opera yet. When one deals with with private companies, one has a choice to change to an alternative company, but when the government forces jobseekers to access their web pages and designs their web pages in such a way that these can only be viewed wit IE, it becomes discriminatory. Try their glorious site at http://www.joblist.com.au. rant mode off I feel better now. I called them several times and complained about this. I leave it to your imagination how far I got with the bureaucrates. Should anybody find out how to access the above web site successfully, I would appreciate your hints. Peter Sutter -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com
On Sunday 24 February 2002 23:37, Peter Sutter wrote:
their web pages in such a way that these can only be viewed wit IE, it becomes discriminatory. Try their glorious site at http://www.joblist.com.au.
Peter, I couldn't resist the challenge. I did get their site easily, found it well designed and readable. The very fist line says "Joblist is the Western Australian State Government online jobs board." My Mozilla (rv.0.9.4) isn't the best or newest, but didn't have any problem navigating the site. SuSE-7.3 now with kernel 2.4.16. This gives me the opportunity to mention something I read today: a very well-presented analysis of several browsers, from Beonex to SkipStone. Get it at "Browser Comparison," page 88, March 2002, www.linuxjournal.com. Regards, gr (in sunny, warm Florida) **"In war, it counts not who's right, but who's left."** /Ann Landers/
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