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Javier Llorente

27 Jun 2019 27 Jun '19

19:50

Hello team mates, Unfortunately, the Spanish translations haven't been updated since a long time. Last update request dates back to January 2019. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2019-01/msg00004.html Futhermore, there have been no news from the SLE side regarding any kind of cooperation with the community (last email is from November 2018). It all started with a translator who overwrote some translated and proofread strings back in June 2018. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2018-06/msg00000.html E.g. https://paste.opensuse.org/view//96282138 I, as a translator, would like to see some changes regarding this situation (and in a timely manner, if possible). Regards, -- Javier Llorente

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Sarah Julia Kriesch

29 Jun 29 Jun

22:08

Hi Javier, Excuse me for the late answer. It was difficult to write emails with my laptop in the last days (private reasons with outside activities).

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Juni 2019 um 21:50 Uhr Von: "Javier Llorente" An: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Betreff: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

Hello team mates,

Unfortunately, the Spanish translations haven't been updated since a long time. Last update request dates back to January 2019. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2019-01/msg00004.html

We have been receiving updates for openSUSE Leap 15.1 since January 2019. Were you able to translate that all? Or what has been missing?

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Futhermore, there have been no news from the SLE side regarding any kind of cooperation with the community (last email is from November 2018). It all started with a translator who overwrote some translated and proofread strings back in June 2018. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2018-06/msg00000.html E.g. https://paste.opensuse.org/view//96282138

I, as a translator, would like to see some changes regarding this situation (and in a timely manner, if possible).

SLE Translations are in Microfocus hands at the moment and the Project Manager is organizing the handover for the beginning of the next year. I had a meeting before the openSUSE Conference. I told him what we prefer in communication and where I can see improvements in the future. He is reading this mailing list, too. He can add your ideas for communication processes between SLE and the community. I told him about "old" email addresses and the request for updated email addresses to achieve such problem translators (if they are SLE translators). What is another idea for improvements by you? It is difficult to receive new translators in the community if we limit the access to Weblate for only special translators. Best regards, Sarah

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Regards, -- Javier Llorente -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

Javier Llorente

2 Jul 2 Jul

21:56

El domingo, 30 de junio de 2019 0:08:25 (CEST) Sarah Julia Kriesch escribió:

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Hi Javier,

Hi Sarah,

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Excuse me for the late answer. It was difficult to write emails with my laptop in the last days (private reasons with outside activities).

No problem.

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Juni 2019 um 21:50 Uhr Von: "Javier Llorente" An: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Betreff: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

Hello team mates,

Unfortunately, the Spanish translations haven't been updated since a long time. Last update request dates back to January 2019. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2019-01/msg00004.html

We have been receiving updates for openSUSE Leap 15.1 since January 2019. Were you able to translate that all? Or what has been missing?

"Cancel" still appears as "Abortar." See the bottom of the following screenshots: openSUSE Leap 15.1 (installer) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//10ae858f openSUSE Leap 15.1 (YaST with updates installed) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//0e8e17da This is very prominent. I don't know why it didn't go through - it was corrected a long time ago. I will keep reviewing the translations.

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Futhermore, there have been no news from the SLE side regarding any kind of cooperation with the community (last email is from November 2018). It all started with a translator who overwrote some translated and proofread strings back in June 2018. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2018-06/msg00000.html E.g. https://paste.opensuse.org/view//96282138

I, as a translator, would like to see some changes regarding this situation (and in a timely manner, if possible).

SLE Translations are in Microfocus hands at the moment and the Project Manager is organizing the handover for the beginning of the next year. I had a meeting before the openSUSE Conference. I told him what we prefer in communication and where I can see improvements in the future.

Good.

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He is reading this mailing list, too. He can add your ideas for communication processes between SLE and the community. I told him about "old" email addresses and the request for updated email addresses to achieve such problem translators (if they are SLE translators).

What is another idea for improvements by you? It is difficult to receive new translators in the community if we limit the access to Weblate for only special translators.

For instance, before changing a translated word many times, sending an email to this list would help. But the most important thing is not having a Weblate open to the whole world. New translators could suggest changes to be reviewed. Once that person has submitted several changes (and have been approved as well), we could give the appropriate Weblate rights to that person. Well, rights could be given without having to follow this procedure if that person is already a translator of another FLOSS project. We could be a bit flexible :) As discussed before, a common glossary with the SLE translators would be good as well. And last, but not least, I suggest updating the translations on Tumbleweed/ Leap as frequent as possible. Or at least knowing when they are going to be updated on both Tumbleweed and Leap.

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Best regards, Sarah

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Regards, -- Javier Llorente

Regards, -- Javier Llorente

Sarah Julia Kriesch

3 Jul 3 Jul

05:45

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 02. Juli 2019 um 23:56 Uhr Von: "Javier Llorente" An: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Cc: "Sarah Julia Kriesch" Betreff: Re: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

El domingo, 30 de junio de 2019 0:08:25 (CEST) Sarah Julia Kriesch escribió:

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Hi Javier,

Hi Sarah,

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Excuse me for the late answer. It was difficult to write emails with my laptop in the last days (private reasons with outside activities).

No problem.

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Juni 2019 um 21:50 Uhr Von: "Javier Llorente" An: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Betreff: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

Hello team mates,

Unfortunately, the Spanish translations haven't been updated since a long time. Last update request dates back to January 2019. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2019-01/msg00004.html

We have been receiving updates for openSUSE Leap 15.1 since January 2019. Were you able to translate that all? Or what has been missing?

"Cancel" still appears as "Abortar." See the bottom of the following screenshots:

openSUSE Leap 15.1 (installer) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//10ae858f

openSUSE Leap 15.1 (YaST with updates installed) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//0e8e17da

That is the yast-installer and the YaST Team has the update of our po files and translations full automated in Jenkins: https://github.com/yast/yast-translations

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This is very prominent. I don't know why it didn't go through - it was corrected a long time ago.

I will speak with them what was going wrong.

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I will keep reviewing the translations.

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Futhermore, there have been no news from the SLE side regarding any kind of cooperation with the community (last email is from November 2018). It all started with a translator who overwrote some translated and proofread strings back in June 2018. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2018-06/msg00000.html E.g. https://paste.opensuse.org/view//96282138

I, as a translator, would like to see some changes regarding this situation (and in a timely manner, if possible).

SLE Translations are in Microfocus hands at the moment and the Project Manager is organizing the handover for the beginning of the next year. I had a meeting before the openSUSE Conference. I told him what we prefer in communication and where I can see improvements in the future.

Good.

...
He is reading this mailing list, too. He can add your ideas for communication processes between SLE and the community. I told him about "old" email addresses and the request for updated email addresses to achieve such problem translators (if they are SLE translators).

What is another idea for improvements by you? It is difficult to receive new translators in the community if we limit the access to Weblate for only special translators.

For instance, before changing a translated word many times, sending an email to this list would help.

But the most important thing is not having a Weblate open to the whole world. New translators could suggest changes to be reviewed. Once that person has submitted several changes (and have been approved as well), we could give the appropriate Weblate rights to that person. Well, rights could be given without having to follow this procedure if that person is already a translator of another FLOSS project. We could be a bit flexible :)

As discussed before, a common glossary with the SLE translators would be good as well.

And last, but not least, I suggest updating the translations on Tumbleweed/ Leap as frequent as possible. Or at least knowing when they are going to be updated on both Tumbleweed and Leap.

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Best regards, Sarah

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Regards, -- Javier Llorente

Regards, -- Javier Llorente -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

Sarah Julia Kriesch

08:46

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Juli 2019 um 07:45 Uhr Von: "Sarah Julia Kriesch" An: "Javier Llorente" Cc: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 02. Juli 2019 um 23:56 Uhr Von: "Javier Llorente" An: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Cc: "Sarah Julia Kriesch" Betreff: Re: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

El domingo, 30 de junio de 2019 0:08:25 (CEST) Sarah Julia Kriesch escribió:

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Hi Javier,

Hi Sarah,

...
Excuse me for the late answer. It was difficult to write emails with my laptop in the last days (private reasons with outside activities).

No problem.

...
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Juni 2019 um 21:50 Uhr Von: "Javier Llorente" An: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Betreff: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

Hello team mates,

Unfortunately, the Spanish translations haven't been updated since a long time. Last update request dates back to January 2019. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2019-01/msg00004.html

We have been receiving updates for openSUSE Leap 15.1 since January 2019. Were you able to translate that all? Or what has been missing?

"Cancel" still appears as "Abortar." See the bottom of the following screenshots:

openSUSE Leap 15.1 (installer) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//10ae858f

openSUSE Leap 15.1 (YaST with updates installed) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//0e8e17da

That is the yast-installer and the YaST Team has the update of our po files and translations full automated in Jenkins: https://github.com/yast/yast-translations

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This is very prominent. I don't know why it didn't go through - it was corrected a long time ago.

When did you change the content? I had my IRC talk with our YaST Developers and the content is the same. Which content do you expect?

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Best regards, Sarah

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Regards, -- Javier Llorente

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Ancor Gonzalez Sosa

08:56

On 7/2/19 11:56 PM, Javier Llorente wrote:

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"Cancel" still appears as "Abortar." See the bottom of the following screenshots:

openSUSE Leap 15.1 (installer) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//10ae858f

The label for that button in English is "Abort" (correctly translated to "Abortar"), not "Cancel" as you seem to assume. See the English version. https://paste.opensuse.org/view//78866698 Or did I miss your point?

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openSUSE Leap 15.1 (YaST with updates installed) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//0e8e17da

This is very prominent. I don't know why it didn't go through - it was corrected a long time ago.

Corrected in which way? I mean, what was the wrong .po content and what is the corrected one?. Those strings like "cancel" and "abort" come from the yast-base project on Weblate. According to my investigations, there is no significant differences regarding those string in the Weblate source[1] and in the es.po file included in Leap 15.1. [1] https://paste.opensuse.org/view//78866698 [2] https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE:Leap:15.1/yast2-trans In short, I'm not sure what do you believe is wrong. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

jcsl

10:41

Hi. El domingo, 30 de junio de 2019 0:08:25 (CEST) Sarah Julia Kriesch escribió:

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Unfortunately, the Spanish translations haven't been updated since a long time. Last update request dates back to January 2019. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2019-01/msg00004.html

We have been receiving updates for openSUSE Leap 15.1 since January 2019. Were you able to translate that all? Or what has been missing?

I, as a translator too, have two doubts about translations: 1) How often are the sources in Weblate updated? It seems to me that some translation files in Weblate are outdated given that I haven't been able to find some strings in the recent past (the already mentioned "abort" string, for example). 2) How often are translations actually included in Tumbleweed updates? I mention Tumbleweed because is what I'm using. I think that there's no movement until a new Leap version reaches the translation stage. Could someone clarify this? I do see yast's translation packages updated now and then, but it looks like a rebuild of the packages because I can't spot changes I made weeks or months ago. Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

jcsl

11:08

Hi. El miércoles, 3 de julio de 2019 10:56:09 (CEST) Ancor Gonzalez Sosa escribió:

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On 7/2/19 11:56 PM, Javier Llorente wrote:

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"Cancel" still appears as "Abortar." See the bottom of the following screenshots:

openSUSE Leap 15.1 (installer) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//10ae858f

The label for that button in English is "Abort" (correctly translated to "Abortar"), not "Cancel" as you seem to assume. See the English version.

https://paste.opensuse.org/view//78866698

Or did I miss your point?

We had it already translated by "cancelar" and it was changed without any advise. "Cancelar" is what we have been using since it is the translation that we have agreed to in the glossary¹. The use of "abortar" instead of "cancelar" looks strange to me because "cancelar" is used much more than "abortar" in any Spanish translation I've ever seen. I really can't remember having seen "abortar" in any of the programs that I usually use other than YaST. That said, I don't mind using one or the other, but I think that the translation should always be the same to be consistent. [1] https://es.opensuse.org/Traducci%C3%B3n/Glosario Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

Sarah Julia Kriesch

11:39

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Juli 2019 um 13:08 Uhr Von: "jcsl" An: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

Hi.

El miércoles, 3 de julio de 2019 10:56:09 (CEST) Ancor Gonzalez Sosa escribió:

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On 7/2/19 11:56 PM, Javier Llorente wrote:

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"Cancel" still appears as "Abortar." See the bottom of the following screenshots:

openSUSE Leap 15.1 (installer) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//10ae858f

The label for that button in English is "Abort" (correctly translated to "Abortar"), not "Cancel" as you seem to assume. See the English version.

https://paste.opensuse.org/view//78866698

Or did I miss your point?

We had it already translated by "cancelar" and it was changed without any advise. "Cancelar" is what we have been using since it is the translation that we have agreed to in the glossary¹. The use of "abortar" instead of "cancelar" looks strange to me because "cancelar" is used much more than "abortar" in any Spanish translation I've ever seen. I really can't remember having seen "abortar" in any of the programs that I usually use other than YaST. That said, I don't mind using one or the other, but I think that the translation should always be the same to be consistent.

When did you change that in yast-base the last time? We have "Abort" there and that has been released. You are able to change the content again if anything is wrong. I had to do that before the Leap release this year, too. One Contributor has corrected his contributions on his own after one email. That is something I expect for the future in every language, too.

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[1] https://es.opensuse.org/Traducci%C3%B3n/Glosario

Greetings.

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Luiz Fernando Ranghetti

12:23

Em qua, 3 de jul de 2019 às 08:39, Sarah Julia Kriesch escreveu:

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Juli 2019 um 13:08 Uhr Von: "jcsl" An: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

Hi.

El miércoles, 3 de julio de 2019 10:56:09 (CEST) Ancor Gonzalez Sosa escribió:

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On 7/2/19 11:56 PM, Javier Llorente wrote:

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"Cancel" still appears as "Abortar." See the bottom of the following screenshots:

openSUSE Leap 15.1 (installer) https://paste.opensuse.org/view//10ae858f

The label for that button in English is "Abort" (correctly translated to "Abortar"), not "Cancel" as you seem to assume. See the English version.

https://paste.opensuse.org/view//78866698

Or did I miss your point?

We had it already translated by "cancelar" and it was changed without any advise. "Cancelar" is what we have been using since it is the translation that we have agreed to in the glossary¹. The use of "abortar" instead of "cancelar" looks strange to me because "cancelar" is used much more than "abortar" in any Spanish translation I've ever seen. I really can't remember having seen "abortar" in any of the programs that I usually use other than YaST. That said, I don't mind using one or the other, but I think that the translation should always be the same to be consistent.

When did you change that in yast-base the last time? We have "Abort" there and that has been released. You are able to change the content again if anything is wrong. I had to do that before the Leap release this year, too. One Contributor has corrected his contributions on his own after one email. That is something I expect for the future in every language, too.

Hi, Seems that is this string, changed one year ago: https://l10n.opensuse.org/translate/yast-base/master/es/?q=abort&search=substring&source=1&target=1&type=all&offset=5 Regards. Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

Alexander Melentev

12:25

Dear Javier, after some quick research it looks that your claims are incorrect as based on wrong assumptions. Translations are updated on a regular basis, current state of yast-base's es.po in git: "POT-Creation-Date: 2019-07-02 02:29+0000\n" - updated yesterday "PO-Revision-Date: 2019-05-14 23:54+0000\n" - updated less than 2 months ago "Unagreed" translations were not pushed by some evil uncalled translator, it was automated change, here is the diff in question: https://github.com/yast/yast-translations/commit/9fb14085f66a48c7f7f5fca6afb... It was done 2017-12-22 by SLE Merge Robot So, no restrictions in Weblate will protect you from changes made by administrator. -- Regards, Minton. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

Ancor Gonzalez Sosa

14:12

On 7/3/19 12:41 PM, jcsl wrote:

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Hi.

El domingo, 30 de junio de 2019 0:08:25 (CEST) Sarah Julia Kriesch escribió:

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Unfortunately, the Spanish translations haven't been updated since a long time. Last update request dates back to January 2019. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2019-01/msg00004.html

We have been receiving updates for openSUSE Leap 15.1 since January 2019. Were you able to translate that all? Or what has been missing?

I, as a translator too, have two doubts about translations:

I can only answer regarding YaST. I guess is actually different for different parts of the distribution.

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1) How often are the sources in Weblate updated?

Every single day at 2:24 AM (Central European Time).

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It seems to me that some translation files in Weblate are outdated given that I haven't been able to find some strings in the recent past (the already mentioned "abort" string, for example).

As already mentioned (although I pasted the wrong link in my original mail), that string is in yast-base. Here is the right link: https://l10n.opensuse.org/projects/yast-base/master/ These lines are for the corresponding yast-base-es.po file that I just downloaded from Weblate:

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msgid "Abo&rt" msgstr "Aborta&r"

msgid "Abo&rt Installation" msgstr "Aborta&r la instalación"

Those msgid has been there for ages. So let me state it for the second time in this thread: the source files for YaST translations are always up-to-date. We have automation in place to ensure that.

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2) How often are translations actually included in Tumbleweed updates? I mention Tumbleweed because is what I'm using. I think that there's no movement until a new Leap version reaches the translation stage. Could someone clarify this? I do see yast's translation packages updated now and then, but it looks like a rebuild of the packages because I can't spot changes I made weeks or months ago.

That's something you can easily verify here https://build.opensuse.org/package/revisions/openSUSE:Factory/yast2-trans It looks to me like it's updated once a month. Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

Sarah Julia Kriesch

15:49

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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Juli 2019 um 16:12 Uhr Von: "Ancor Gonzalez Sosa" An: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

On 7/3/19 12:41 PM, jcsl wrote:

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Hi.

El domingo, 30 de junio de 2019 0:08:25 (CEST) Sarah Julia Kriesch escribió:

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Unfortunately, the Spanish translations haven't been updated since a long time. Last update request dates back to January 2019. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2019-01/msg00004.html

We have been receiving updates for openSUSE Leap 15.1 since January 2019. Were you able to translate that all? Or what has been missing?

I, as a translator too, have two doubts about translations:

I can only answer regarding YaST. I guess is actually different for different parts of the distribution.

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1) How often are the sources in Weblate updated?

Every single day at 2:24 AM (Central European Time).

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It seems to me that some translation files in Weblate are outdated given that I haven't been able to find some strings in the recent past (the already mentioned "abort" string, for example).

It seems that the search in Weblate does not work at the moment. I tried that and you are not able to find existing strings in the files.

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As already mentioned (although I pasted the wrong link in my original mail), that string is in yast-base. Here is the right link: https://l10n.opensuse.org/projects/yast-base/master/

These lines are for the corresponding yast-base-es.po file that I just downloaded from Weblate:

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msgid "Abo&rt" msgstr "Aborta&r"

msgid "Abo&rt Installation" msgstr "Aborta&r la instalación"

Those msgid has been there for ages.

So let me state it for the second time in this thread: the source files for YaST translations are always up-to-date. We have automation in place to ensure that.

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2) How often are translations actually included in Tumbleweed updates? I mention Tumbleweed because is what I'm using. I think that there's no movement until a new Leap version reaches the translation stage. Could someone clarify this? I do see yast's translation packages updated now and then, but it looks like a rebuild of the packages because I can't spot changes I made weeks or months ago.

That's something you can easily verify here https://build.opensuse.org/package/revisions/openSUSE:Factory/yast2-trans

It looks to me like it's updated once a month.

Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

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jcsl

17:11

Hi. El miércoles, 3 de julio de 2019 16:12:09 (CEST) Ancor Gonzalez Sosa escribió:

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On 7/3/19 12:41 PM, jcsl wrote:

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Hi.

El domingo, 30 de junio de 2019 0:08:25 (CEST) Sarah Julia Kriesch escribió:

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Unfortunately, the Spanish translations haven't been updated since a long time. Last update request dates back to January 2019. https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2019-01/msg00004.html

We have been receiving updates for openSUSE Leap 15.1 since January 2019. Were you able to translate that all? Or what has been missing?

I, as a translator too, have two doubts about translations: I can only answer regarding YaST. I guess is actually different for different parts of the distribution.

...
1) How often are the sources in Weblate updated?

Every single day at 2:24 AM (Central European Time).

...
It seems to me that some translation files in Weblate are outdated given that I haven't been able to find some strings in the recent past (the already mentioned "abort" string, for example).

As already mentioned (although I pasted the wrong link in my original mail), that string is in yast-base. Here is the right link: https://l10n.opensuse.org/projects/yast-base/master/

These lines are for the corresponding yast-base-es.po file that I just

downloaded from Weblate:

...
msgid "Abo&rt" msgstr "Aborta&r"

msgid "Abo&rt Installation" msgstr "Aborta&r la instalación"

Those msgid has been there for ages.

So let me state it for the second time in this thread: the source files for YaST translations are always up-to-date. We have automation in place to ensure that.

Ok. I've found them now. I'm sure I searched the string before and I was not able to find it. It seems that Weblate doesn't ignore the ampersand in the strings, but I'm almost sure I did search substrings too. I don't understand how could I have failed to find the strings. I've also found now some other strings I was not able to find before. Go figure...

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2) How often are translations actually included in Tumbleweed updates? I mention Tumbleweed because is what I'm using. I think that there's no movement until a new Leap version reaches the translation stage. Could someone clarify this? I do see yast's translation packages updated now and then, but it looks like a rebuild of the packages because I can't spot changes I made weeks or months ago.

That's something you can easily verify here https://build.opensuse.org/package/revisions/openSUSE:Factory/yast2-trans

It looks to me like it's updated once a month.

I see things I translated six months ago that are not included in Tumbleweed. For example, https://l10n.opensuse.org/projects/packages-i18n/yast2-master/es/ is almost 100% translated, but the descriptions in YaST/zypper are still in English¹. I think that there are more translations in packages-i18n taking quite some time to be included in Tumbleweed's updates. I haven't used Weblate lately so I can't remember what was I working on last time. Not related to YaST, I filed the bug report #1055248 on 2017-08-23, it was closed on 2018-11-13, and it was published only a few days ago. The package was already translated before I filed the bug report. The difference in the inclusion of the updates is what led me to ask the question.

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Cheers.

Greetings. [1] https://paste.opensuse.org/view//67695127 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

Javier Llorente

4 Jul 4 Jul

21:48

El miércoles, 3 de julio de 2019 14:25:49 (CEST) Alexander Melentev escribió:

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Dear Javier,

Dear Alexander,

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after some quick research it looks that your claims are incorrect as based on wrong assumptions.

Translations are updated on a regular basis, current state of yast-base's es.po in git: "POT-Creation-Date: 2019-07-02 02:29+0000\n" - updated yesterday "PO-Revision-Date: 2019-05-14 23:54+0000\n" - updated less than 2 months ago

Well, the git repository could be up-to-date and not the packages.

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"Unagreed" translations were not pushed by some evil uncalled translator, it was automated change, here is the diff in question: https://github.com/yast/yast-translations/commit/9fb14085f66a48c7f7f5fca6afb 2f24d7c8c4d86 It was done 2017-12-22 by SLE Merge Robot

Please look for "Aborta&r" on Weblate. You'll see that the very same person suggested the change and it was accepted by sle-merge-robot. So not everything was reverted. Jcsl changed lots of them but we forgot to revert two of one. Sorry for the noise.

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So, no restrictions in Weblate will protect you from changes made by administrator.

Of course, an admin is the Master of the Universe :-P Greetings, -- Javier Llorente

Javier Llorente

22:08

El jueves, 4 de julio de 2019 23:48:06 (CEST) Javier Llorente escribió:

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El miércoles, 3 de julio de 2019 14:25:49 (CEST) Alexander Melentev escribió:

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Dear Javier,

Dear Alexander,

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after some quick research it looks that your claims are incorrect as based on wrong assumptions.

Translations are updated on a regular basis, current state of yast-base's es.po in git: "POT-Creation-Date: 2019-07-02 02:29+0000\n" - updated yesterday "PO-Revision-Date: 2019-05-14 23:54+0000\n" - updated less than 2 months ago Well, the git repository could be up-to-date and not the packages.

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"Unagreed" translations were not pushed by some evil uncalled translator, it was automated change, here is the diff in question: https://github.com/yast/yast-translations/commit/9fb14085f66a48c7f7f5fca6a fb 2f24d7c8c4d86 It was done 2017-12-22 by SLE Merge Robot

Please look for "Aborta&r" on Weblate. You'll see that the very same person suggested the change and it was accepted by sle-merge-robot. So not everything was reverted.

Jcsl changed lots of them but we forgot to revert two of one. Sorry for the noise.

I forgot to ask for two things: 1. Please push these changes to TW and Leap. 2. Please investigate what Jcsl is saying regarding YaST translations not being pushed to TW [1]. I hope that future translations updates like the one to command-not-found are pushed in a timely manner. As mentioned before, in this case it took months to show up on TW. [1] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2019-07/msg00011.html Thanks, -- Javier Llorente

Sarah Julia Kriesch

5 Jul 5 Jul

05:43

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. Juli 2019 um 23:48 Uhr Von: "Javier Llorente" An: opensuse-translation@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse-translation] The state of translations

El miércoles, 3 de julio de 2019 14:25:49 (CEST) Alexander Melentev escribió:

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Dear Javier,

Dear Alexander,

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after some quick research it looks that your claims are incorrect as based on wrong assumptions.

Translations are updated on a regular basis, current state of yast-base's es.po in git: "POT-Creation-Date: 2019-07-02 02:29+0000\n" - updated yesterday "PO-Revision-Date: 2019-05-14 23:54+0000\n" - updated less than 2 months ago

Well, the git repository could be up-to-date and not the packages.

The git repo is up-to-date every time. Especially the YaST team is a role model in automated packaging of translations for their software in openSUSE. They take what they receive.

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"Unagreed" translations were not pushed by some evil uncalled translator, it was automated change, here is the diff in question: https://github.com/yast/yast-translations/commit/9fb14085f66a48c7f7f5fca6afb 2f24d7c8c4d86 It was done 2017-12-22 by SLE Merge Robot

Please look for "Aborta&r" on Weblate. You'll see that the very same person suggested the change and it was accepted by sle-merge-robot. So not everything was reverted.

Jcsl changed lots of them but we forgot to revert two of one. Sorry for the noise.

That is something where I prefer 1 person in every language to have it in mind. I am doing that as the German Coordinator in German, too. I have subscribed the most important translation files and watch all the changes. If anything is incorrect I can write to the Contributor (email address mostly in the file on github) or I can revert that directly. Watching is the job of the language Coordinator...

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So, no restrictions in Weblate will protect you from changes made by administrator.

Of course, an admin is the Master of the Universe :-P

You don't need admin permissions to watch that all. We have to improve the communication between SLE translators and the community. If you explain the opinions of your team, they will accept that mostly.

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Greetings, -- Javier Llorente

Best regards, Sarah -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org

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