* The legal form of the foundation is to be a German voluntary association (wikipedia:Eingetragener_Verein). I understand very well that this is much more handy than any other system, given where most suse fellows are located, but I'm not sure it's the better way to solve problems. among others Linux problems are legal problems (see restricted formats). It was said (I don't know if it's true) that the location of Canonical on the Man island is one of the reason ubuntu is more easy to deal with. So may be we should have a foundation in some extra place like Man island or Guernesey? could be Lichtenstein (not far from Nurnberg, I already spent vacations in Vaduz :-). This don't mean we can't work elsewhere. Probably it will cost some more cash hiring lawyers. ideas? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
* The legal form of the foundation is to be a German voluntary association (wikipedia:Eingetragener_Verein).
Sounds good. I think this is the right choice.
I understand very well that this is much more handy than any other system, given where most suse fellows are located, but I'm not sure it's the better way to solve problems.
among others Linux problems are legal problems (see restricted formats). It was said (I don't know if it's true) that the location of Canonical on the Man island is one of the reason ubuntu is more easy to deal with.
Think tax, not copyright. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
On 01/28/2011 03:05 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
jdd wrote:
* The legal form of the foundation is to be a German voluntary association (wikipedia:Eingetragener_Verein).
Sounds good. I think this is the right choice.
Now according to wikipedia [1] again : "The Civil Code of Germany contains different regulations for registered non-profit and for-profit associations regarded as juristic persons ("Vereine", articles 21–79) on the one hand and for not necessarily registered associations by contract ("Gesellschaften", articles 705–740) on the other hand." So before I can put an opinion would it be possible to have a summary of these articles in plain english ;as laws, regulations are written with specific articalutaion that makes it harder for the layperson to understand, that is to my understanding the case in all languages and German is no exception. Togan 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eingetragener_Verein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le 28/01/2011 15:40, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :
So before I can put an opinion would it be possible to have a summary of these articles in plain english ;as laws, regulations are written with specific articalutaion that makes it harder for the layperson to understand, that is to my understanding the case in all languages and German is no exception.
well seen. I don't read a bit of german :-(. What I know is that in France, non profit organisations do *not* have the right to ask for donations. so two problems: * is a german organisation fitted to receive donations (including from other countries) * the foundation usual langage will have to be english. How will we manage german? If you agree, I will summarize the discussion on the end (but of course not take any decision of my own) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Le 28/01/2011 15:40, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :
So before I can put an opinion would it be possible to have a summary of these articles in plain english ;as laws, regulations are written with specific articalutaion that makes it harder for the layperson to understand, that is to my understanding the case in all languages and German is no exception.
well seen. I don't read a bit of german :-(.
What I know is that in France, non profit organisations do *not* have the right to ask for donations.
[OT] Are they allowed to _receive_ unsolicited donations (i.e. without having asked for them) ?
so two problems:
* is a german organisation fitted to receive donations (including from other countries)
As far as I am aware, that is not a problem. However, an eV need not be non-profit, it could be for-profit.
* the foundation usual langage will have to be english. How will we manage german?
Yes, that is an important question. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 01/28/2011 03:58 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 28/01/2011 15:40, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :
So before I can put an opinion would it be possible to have a summary of these articles in plain english ;as laws, regulations are written with specific articalutaion that makes it harder for the layperson to understand, that is to my understanding the case in all languages and German is no exception.
so two problems:
* is a german organisation fitted to receive donations (including from other countries)
Yes that is no problem at all. The only "problem" is about what the people who give donations can get out of it. For instance if the donor can tax-deduct his donation. There are no international laws about this so things like these are always limited to the country the foundation is in. But again experience from others is that this does not make a real difference for people who want to give.
* the foundation usual langage will have to be english. How will we manage german?
The only situation where that matters is with official documents that we have to produce (by-laws, policies and procedures, reports). For this we would need to have translations. This works quite well for KDE for instance. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le 28/01/2011 16:28, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
Hey,
On 01/28/2011 03:58 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 28/01/2011 15:40, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :
So before I can put an opinion would it be possible to have a summary of these articles in plain english ;as laws, regulations are written with specific articalutaion that makes it harder for the layperson to understand, that is to my understanding the case in all languages and German is no exception.
so two problems:
* is a german organisation fitted to receive donations (including from other countries)
Yes that is no problem at all. The only "problem" is about what the people who give donations can get out of it. For instance if the donor can tax-deduct his donation. There are no international laws about this so things like these are always limited to the country the foundation is in. But again experience from others is that this does not make a real difference for people who want to give.
* the foundation usual langage will have to be english. How will we manage german?
The only situation where that matters is with official documents that we have to produce (by-laws, policies and procedures, reports). For this we would need to have translations. This works quite well for KDE for instance.
Henne
if so, this solve the question for me. will wait some time (before closing) to give anybody time to answer... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le 28/01/2011 16:52, jdd a écrit :
* is a german organisation fitted to receive donations (including from other countries)
Yes that is no problem at all.
I just noticed that the french law was changed in the 80', to allow association to receive donations. This show how old is my comitment :-). so no problem in France (and probably no in other countries, at least in EU) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
I tried to summarize the discussion on the wiki, however, it's my first attempt to use the wiki since the change, and I don't know if I used an appropriate format (sub page, title capitalisation). http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Foundation/Topics/Legal_Form jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:44:19 am jdd wrote:
I tried to summarize the discussion on the wiki, however, it's my first attempt to use the wiki since the change, and I don't know if I used an appropriate format (sub page, title capitalisation).
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Foundation/Topics/Legal_Form
jdd
Moved above page to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Foundation_legal_form Fixed capitalization (all small letters, except first one and the proper names). Subpages on Portal pages are functional, that should not be used as separate pages, but transcluded (Wikipedia term) to main portal page. In general avoid subpages as they don't offer real browsing help, and make harder to rearrange articles in a different way, or to use them as a part of another similar topic. For working copies use openSUSE namespace. I propose that we use [[openSUSE:Foundation_<topic>]] as a article title, where word "Foundation" is optional, used when needed, and to list all in http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Foundation by adding [[Category:Foundation]] tag at the end of the article. Later we can categorize, change sort order etc. Alternative, instead of openSUSE:Foundation, it would be good to have namespace Foundation, so that articles like Accounting Legal form can go without double prefix. It is openSUSE wiki, and talk is about openSUSE Foundation, so prefix "Foundation:" should suffice. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le 29/01/2011 07:44, jdd a écrit :
I tried to summarize the discussion on the wiki, however, it's my first attempt to use the wiki since the change, and I don't know if I used an appropriate format (sub page, title capitalisation).
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Foundation/Topics/Legal_Form
jdd
seems to be here now, and nobody seems to complain on the content jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, February 04, 2011 07:53:41 am jdd wrote:
seems to be here now, and nobody seems to complain on the content
It is redirect :) So, just make people used to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Foundation_legal_form -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
On 02/05/2011 01:41 AM, Rajko M. wrote:
On Friday, February 04, 2011 07:53:41 am jdd wrote:
seems to be here now, and nobody seems to complain on the content
Well I have a sentence where I disagree. "The board has super-majority to disband the e.V." I do think the board cannot disband the e.V. only the general assembly can do that. The board can suggest and can/should argue her points yet the final decision is to be made by the general assembly. Think it like this the board of directors of a company A wants to merge with company B. They can not simply make the decision they need to bring this to the shareholders and the decision by the shareholders is final. The board is there to implement the shareholders vision and to work out the day to day business. Based on this analogy I disagree with the sentence where the board has the super-majority to disband the e.V Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag 06 Februar 2011, 12:45:35 schrieb Togan Muftuoglu:
On 02/05/2011 01:41 AM, Rajko M. wrote:
On Friday, February 04, 2011 07:53:41 am jdd wrote:
seems to be here now, and nobody seems to complain on the content
Well I have a sentence where I disagree.
"The board has super-majority to disband the e.V."
I do think the board cannot disband the e.V. only the general assembly can do that. The board can suggest and can/should argue her points yet the final decision is to be made by the general assembly. Thats correct.
§41 Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch (german law) says: § 41 Auflösung des Vereins Der Verein kann durch Beschluss der Mitgliederversammlung aufgelöst werden. Zu dem Beschluss ist eine Mehrheit von drei Vierteln der abgegebenen Stimmen erforderlich, wenn nicht die Satzung ein anderes bestimmt. That means that the verein can be disbanded by 75% of the valid votes of the general assembly. As said, most things like that are ruled out by german laws. regards, Klaas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le 09/02/2011 17:34, Klaas Freitag a écrit :
As said, most things like that are ruled out by german laws.
are you sure? in France, these things are only setup by bylaws jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Le 09/02/2011 17:34, Klaas Freitag a écrit :
As said, most things like that are ruled out by german laws.
are you sure? in France, these things are only setup by bylaws
He posted a quote from §41 Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch. That's civil law. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
On 02/09/2011 05:46 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 09/02/2011 17:34, Klaas Freitag a écrit :
As said, most things like that are ruled out by german laws.
are you sure? in France, these things are only setup by bylaws
jdd
Salut Jean, I am from the US, but live in France and have been involved in setting up an "Association de le loi 1901". The German eV rules are quite different from France, and the US as well. Quite a lot of what is permissible is outside the scope of bylaws, but established by civil law. If you need me to try to translate into French, do not hesitate, but I am an anglophone. Cheers, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le 09/02/2011 22:32, Peter Linnell a écrit :
On 02/09/2011 05:46 PM, jdd wrote:
established by civil law. If you need me to try to translate into French, do not hesitate, but I am an anglophone.
best should to translate to english, we all need to understand that can't read german, but me, at least, can't read german thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le 09/02/2011 23:10, jdd a écrit :
best should to translate to english, we all need to understand that, but me, at least, can't read german
probably better like this jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
On 2/4/2011 at 06:53 AM, in message <4D4C04E5.1010003@dodin.org>, jdd
wrote: Le 29/01/2011 07:44, jdd a écrit : I tried to summarize the discussion on the wiki, however, it's my first attempt to use the wiki since the change, and I don't know if I used an appropriate format (sub page, title capitalisation). http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Foundation/Topics/Legal_Form
jdd
seems to be here now, and nobody seems to complain on the content
I moved some of the text from the portal:Foundation page to this page as it fits with this topic page. -Alan
jdd
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Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 01/28/2011 03:05 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
jdd wrote:
* The legal form of the foundation is to be a German voluntary association (wikipedia:Eingetragener_Verein).
Sounds good. I think this is the right choice.
Now according to wikipedia [1] again :
"The Civil Code of Germany contains different regulations for registered non-profit and for-profit associations regarded as juristic persons ("Vereine", articles 21–79) on the one hand and for not necessarily registered associations by contract ("Gesellschaften", articles 705–740) on the other hand."
So before I can put an opinion would it be possible to have a summary of these articles in plain english ;as laws, regulations are written with specific articalutaion that makes it harder for the layperson to understand, that is to my understanding the case in all languages and German is no exception.
The wikipedia entry is probably a good place to start, but you'll have to ask Google to translate: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eingetragener_Verein One question I have is - will it be possible to request/record that the eV will use English as the primary language? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 01/28/2011 03:40 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 01/28/2011 03:05 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
jdd wrote:
* The legal form of the foundation is to be a German voluntary association (wikipedia:Eingetragener_Verein).
Sounds good. I think this is the right choice.
Now according to wikipedia [1] again :
"The Civil Code of Germany contains different regulations for registered non-profit and for-profit associations regarded as juristic persons ("Vereine", articles 21–79) on the one hand and for not necessarily registered associations by contract ("Gesellschaften", articles 705–740) on the other hand."
So before I can put an opinion would it be possible to have a summary of these articles in plain english ;as laws, regulations are written with specific articalutaion that makes it harder for the layperson to understand, that is to my understanding the case in all languages and German is no exception.
Sorry this is something you have to do yourself or you have to rely on the studies of others. For the previous discussions in the board I have dived into the topic of german associations a bit. I can outline what it is (not sure I can do that better then wikipedia) and can answer specific questions. Would that help? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
On 01/28/2011 04:15 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Sorry this is something you have to do yourself or you have to rely on the studies of others. For the previous discussions in the board I have dived into the topic of german associations a bit. I can outline what it is (not sure I can do that better then wikipedia) and can answer specific questions. Would that help?
That would help. The main issue with laws/regulations written by the legal people is they refer to one article in the middle of one sentence and unless one has a good understanding of the article they are referring and the consequences of it, getting a grasp of the whole thing becomes a difficult task. Similar to what they say in Baden-Württemberg I kann alles auserdem juristische Deutsch ;) Therefore anything you have would be much appreciated. Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On 01/28/2011 01:52 PM, jdd wrote:
* The legal form of the foundation is to be a German voluntary association (wikipedia:Eingetragener_Verein).
I understand very well that this is much more handy than any other system, given where most suse fellows are located
Just for the record. Having a German e.V. is the result of the boards discussions. The argumentation for this is that the majority of contributors to our project is German (European). We have discussed this among ourselves but also have asked people with experience with FOSS foundations (KDE, GNOME, the people on the freedesktop foundations list like Dave Neary or Bradley M. Kuhn) and they also told us that if we want a working foundation for our project that it better be in the country with the most contributors.
but I'm not sure it's the better way to solve problems. among others Linux problems are legal problems (see restricted formats). It was said (I don't know if it's true) that the location of Canonical on the Man island is one of the reason ubuntu is more easy to deal with.
Can you be a bit more specific what you mean by "legal problems"? Are you talking about problems with problematic licensed or patented software like the various implementations of multimedia codecs, binary kernel modules and things like these? If you are talking about this problem then you won't solve it by the location of the foundation. This will always be a matter of risk assessment. Because you will engage in something where the law is way behind reality and the law is constantly tested in court. For a volunteer organization the only outcome of such a risk assessment can be to stay as far away as possible from this. The only real question you have to ask yourself is this: Do you want to be part of an foundation that is in constant legal battle over software patents and licenses? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le 28/01/2011 16:07, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
The only real question you have to ask yourself is this: Do you want to be part of an foundation that is in constant legal battle over software patents and licenses?
I want a working distribution, not to be obliged to send people to ubuntu. money is a good thing, but not the most important one IMHO I already noticed libdvdcss is not on packman but elsewhere. How many time packman will be able to have questionable files is a big problem. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Hey, On 01/28/2011 04:50 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 28/01/2011 16:07, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
The only real question you have to ask yourself is this: Do you want to be part of an foundation that is in constant legal battle over software patents and licenses?
I want a working distribution, not to be obliged to send people to ubuntu.
We all want that but that is not the scope of the discussion, is it? The scope is about the legal form/location of the openSUSE Foundation. Not about solving problems distributing a free software OS brings with it. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le 28/01/2011 17:03, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
The scope is about the legal form/location of the openSUSE Foundation. Not about solving problems distributing a free software OS brings with it.
seems related... Do somebody have real of why Ubuntu works the way it do, is it really related to the Man island location? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Le 28/01/2011 17:03, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
The scope is about the legal form/location of the openSUSE Foundation. Not about solving problems distributing a free software OS brings with it.
seems related... Do somebody have real of why Ubuntu works the way it do, is it really related to the Man island location?
I don't know, but according to wikipedia, Shuttleworth himself lives on the Isle of Man. About the Ubuntu Foundation (the trust fund set up by Shuttleworth), wikipedia doesn't say a lot - it is perhaps interesting to note that there are at least two other Ubuntu Foundations: http://www.ubuntu-foundation.ch/ http://saubuntu.co.za// :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-1.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le 28/01/2011 21:12, Per Jessen a écrit :
wikipedia doesn't say a lot - it is perhaps interesting to note that there are at least two other Ubuntu Foundations:
yes, it's always possible to create one more if necessary :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, January 28, 2011 02:46:03 pm jdd wrote:
Le 28/01/2011 21:12, Per Jessen a écrit :
wikipedia doesn't say a lot - it is perhaps interesting to note that
there are at least two other Ubuntu Foundations: yes, it's always possible to create one more if necessary :-)
It can be good idea to pickup donations for "local" associations, but problem is that each organization will have some fixed operational expenses, and we don't really want to split our group, so lesser is better right now. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 28 janvier 2011, à 21:12 +0100, Per Jessen a écrit :
About the Ubuntu Foundation (the trust fund set up by Shuttleworth), wikipedia doesn't say a lot - it is perhaps interesting to note that there are at least two other Ubuntu Foundations:
The Ubuntu Foundation is not a Foundation like the one we want to create. To summarize things bluntly: at the moment, it's merely a bank account with lots of money to make sure that the Ubuntu project can survive for some time if Canonical/Mark decides to stop investing in the Ubuntu project. There's is no real/formal not-for-profit organization for Ubuntu (except all the small ones for local groups). Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag 28 Januar 2011, 16:07:59 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
Hi,
On 01/28/2011 01:52 PM, jdd wrote:
* The legal form of the foundation is to be a German voluntary association (wikipedia:Eingetragener_Verein).
I understand very well that this is much more handy than any other system, given where most suse fellows are located
Just for the record. Having a German e.V. is the result of the boards discussions. The argumentation for this is that the majority of contributors to our project is German (European). So is this something we can count as "decided" now?
Very good decision. That makes everything easy. As a former member of board of the KDE e.V. I can tell from experience that a german e.V. is very easy to operate as there is the german "Vereinsgesetzt" which rules out a useful frame of operandi. And, which is more important, there are people like lawyers and tax consultants who deal with that every day and help. That makes it easy for the people who take responsibility within the organisation. For example all the discussion around "how we do finances" is going away with that because its law that an e.V. needs to have an treasurer who is responsible for the finances. Usually she/he does a little accounting and works together with a tax consultant to prepare the anual report which has to be approved by the membership, after it was checked by a few members of the membership on its correctness. All that is law, so nothing to be thought over by us here :-) Klaas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-foundation+help@opensuse.org
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Alan Clark
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