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[openFate 305716] [openSUSE 11.1] Disk partitioning under installation (Disk)
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 05 Mar '13

05 Mar '13

Feature added by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Feature #305716, revision 1, last change by Title: [openSUSE 11.1] Disk partitioning under installation (Disk) openSUSE-11.2: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Sebastian Furdal (resus) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: We all know, that openSUSE as a default wants use on its own entire disk. This is VERRY BAD setting. On this website exist a pool: http://suse.ehelp.pl/modules/xoopspoll/pollresults.php?poll_id=24 POLISH: Czy os11 powinien miec przy instalacji mozliwosc wyboru, na ktorej partycji zainstalować system? ENGLISH: Should os11 installation program have make a choice on what partition install the system? 94% users sad YES (tak) Try my proposal... "See the attachments" Relations: - [openSUSE 11.1] Disk partitioning under installation (Disk) (novell/bugzilla/id: 383886) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=383886 Discussion: #1: Sebastian Furdal (resus) (2008-04-25 12:36:23) Created an attachment (id=210574) Disk (GIMP) #2: Sebastian Furdal (resus) (2008-04-25 12:37:01) Created an attachment (id=210575) Button "create" #3: Arvin Schnell (aschnell) (2008-04-28 03:44:40) Something for PM to decide. #4: Stephan Kulow (coolo) (2008-04-28 04:10:30) Actually this fits the feedback I got during fosdem - the _HUGE_ majority of (power) users has to change the proposal. But the "Create" and "Edit" buttons are already more prominently as they were in previous releases. This was on the behalf of this feedback. #5: Sebastian Furdal (resus) (2008-04-28 07:47:26) Created an attachment (id=210885) Version 2 #6: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) (2008-04-29 04:06:15) I do not completly understand the request, I fear:-( Is it (1) about leaving space for windows or other OSes? (2) or about _how_ the Linux partitioning should look like? (3) or about both? I personally have a rather "sophisticated" partitioning (people say: "crazy"), thus I am planning to propose a LVM based partitioning as one(!) option (and default for our Enterprise Server product) with roughly(!) this layout. /dev/sda1 /boot /dev/sda2 /swap /dev/sda3 # system VG / /usr /opt /var /dev/sda4 # data VG /tmp /home /srv This more or less resembles the defaults of Unix/BSD systems. As said: it is the "extended" variant of what I can imagine for systems, where Linux is allowed to control the whole harddisk. For systems with shared windows partitions the layout should be different. And suggestions? Comments? Ideas? Proposals? Thanks in advance - so long - MgE #8: Sebastian Furdal (resus) (2008-05-01 02:19:50) (1)(1)does the idea of „automatic partitioning” is to make monopoly in one OS on one computer? [sarcasm] (2)(2)Yes, its only a proposal, more details I can make in some free time. (3)(3)Yap (4)(4)but openSUSE is mostly installed by less advanced users, who mostly do not know anything about Servers (5)(5)Most people on the world have a Windows and they install GNU/Linux with curiosity, and GNU/Linux should not propose to delete their favorite system and all precious data that where collected for years. This is something that makes openSUSE behind almost all major GNU/Linux distributions. And even I do not use Windows, but GNU/Linux (doesn't matter if its not openSUSE/SUSE) but I want check this distro [...] (6)(6)Propose: 1. After detecting disks and partitions Yast2 should propose mount points for all existed partitions. 2. When it finds completely free partition (doesn't matter with what file system - sometimes users prepare before installation free partition under different OS for a new system) OR/AND unallocated space with more size than installation required it should mark it with a green color – that on this partition/space You can install openSUSE with options /boot, /swap, /, /usr, ... etc. 3. When it doesn't find good partition then it should ask “Create automatic disk partitioning?”. a) YES - Automatically create partition setup for home users (example only with “/” and “/home” and ”/boot” - boot is very important for grub, because for example when a user delete under windows Linux partition grub is still in the MBR but it cant find config files - “OH MY GOD, LOOK LINUX DESTROYED MY SYSTEM – I WILL NEVER USE LINIX AGAIN” and most people do not know anything about windows installation “fixmbr”) - ALL DATA WILL BE LOST [red color] - Automatically create partition setup for server - ALL DATA WILL BE LOST [red color] b) NO - Edit partition setup (all proposed mount points in step 1. should remain even without “/” but whit red warning “To install openSUSE You have to create partition with minimal size $MINIMAL_INSTALLATION_SIZE GB”). #9: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) (2008-05-06 20:56:51) Hello and thanks for the answers. Please see my comments below.? (In reply to comment #8 from Sebastian Furdal) > > (1) about leaving space for windows or other OSes? > (1)(1)does the idea of „automatic partitioning” is to make monopoly in one > OS on one computer? [sarcasm] I agree: I have at least 3 openSUSE/SLES systems on my systems, and every fresh installation tries to kill my "vg_data". This is just annoying and will be fixed. > > (2) or about _how_ the Linux partitioning should look like? > (2)(2)Yes, its only a proposal, more details I can make in some free time. I also have some ideas there, ... > (4)(4)but openSUSE is mostly installed by less advanced users, > who mostly do not know anything about Servers Well, that does not necessarily be true according to other requests I see:-) But I agree that the "less advanced users" have to be covered in the most save way. > [...] This is something that makes openSUSE behind almost all major > GNU/Linux distributions. [...] Well, you might simply avoid those type of comments, please, as it weakens your very valid points above and below ( because people might become angry ). > (6)(6)Propose: > [...] Instead of your proposal let me post a proposal I wrote roughly 2 years ago here in bugzilla (closed bug); in meta-programming-language (and covering also datacenter use e.g. of SLES product): if( SAN-storage-found ) { expert-partitioning(); } else if( num-of-harddisks > 1 ) { expert-partitioning(); } else if( only-one-windows-partition_on( first_harddisk ) ) { # case 2 below partitioning-with-shrink( first_harddisk ) | expert-partitioning(); } else if( some-partitions-but-free-space_on( first_harddisk ) ){ # case 3 below partitioning-without-shrink-or-delete_on (first_harddisk ) | expert-partitioning(); } else if( some-partitions-but-no-free-space_on( first_harddisk ) ) { expert-partitioning(); } else if( multiple-existing-OSes-found ){ expert-partitioning(); } else { # empty harddisk, case 1 below default-partitioning(); } I would like to see that a little bit less complex, but I hope it could be a good start; I also hope we can agree that there are only three relatively "safe" & easy cases: 1. one empty harddisk 2. one harddisk full with another OS (most probably windows) 3. (at least) one (bigger) empty primary partition on first harddisk Everything else needs "knowledge" by the person in front of the computer, i.e. an "expert partitioner" YaST module to support this person, HTH - MgE #10: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) (2008-05-26 06:19:13) What do you think? #11: Sebastian Furdal (resus) (2008-07-20 03:40:24) I think advanced partitioning should be rewritten, sometimes it is to complicated ... Your proposal is good but openSUSE should automatically propose simple and automatic solutions ... such as: - propose partitions where oS could be installed - propose automatic mount points - propose some profiles of partitioning etc. What You think? #12: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-10-24 05:24:05) Information was provided. #13: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) (2009-01-21 11:57:03) Moved to openFATE from bugzilla. Let's proceed for openSUSE 11.2 based on what we have in openSUSE 11.1. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305716

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[New: openFATE 309445] Make yast proxy work with Microsoft ISA
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 05 Mar '13

05 Mar '13

Feature added by: francesco nigro (frappa_nigro) Feature #309445, revision 1 Title: Make yast proxy work with Microsoft ISA openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Mandatory Requested by: francesco nigro (frappa_nigro) Description: The yast proxy module doesn't work with Microsoft ISA proxy, the ntlm authentication is not managed correctly and fails. The only viable solution at the moment (the only one I found at least) is to install cntlm on every machines... -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/309445

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[openFATE 308186] ruby1.9
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 23 Jan '13

23 Jan '13

Feature added by: Dirk Herzhauser (dherzhau2) Feature #308186, revision 1 Title: ruby1.9 Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Dirk Herzhauser (dherzhau2) Description: I would be nice to have a ruby1.9 package as well as wn precompile wxruby gem -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308186

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[New: openFATE 308377] Importing MS Windows user's settings, data as Ubuntu and Mandriva do
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 21 Jan '13

21 Jan '13

Feature added by: Mindaugas Baranauskas (embar-) Feature #308377, revision 1 Title: Importing MS Windows user's settings, data as Ubuntu and Mandriva do openFATE: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Mindaugas Baranauskas (embar-) Description: Importing MS Windows user's settings, data as Ubuntu and Mandriva do. This may be useful for new users in Linux – it would help to fell less stress. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308377

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[openFate 305472] Support transaction triggers for rpms
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 21 Jan '13

21 Jan '13

Feature added by: Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)novell.com> Feature #305472, revision 1, last change by Title: Support transaction triggers for rpms openSUSE-11.2: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Vincent Untz <vuntz(a)novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: It's important to be able to run once after all packages have been installed a command (instead of running the command after each of x packages getting installed, which would make the process much slower). That's basically a post-transaction trigger. For background, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=365649 and especially comment #14 from Stanislav. (note that this is work that should be done in upstream rpm, not as patches) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305472

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[New: openFATE 308705] Show Grub boot menu when resuming from hibernate (suspend to disk)
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 10 Jan '13

10 Jan '13

Feature added by: Rafael Belmonte (EagleScreen) Feature #308705, revision 1 Title: Show Grub boot menu when resuming from hibernate (suspend to disk) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Rafael Belmonte (eaglescreen) Description: When I resume my computer after hibernate (suspend to disk) with OpenSuse, Grub boot menu is not displayed, so I am forced to boot into OpenSuse in the case of a dual boot system. Other GNU/Linux distributions like Debian/Ubuntu display the Grub boot menu when you power on the computer after hibernate with GNU/Linux, and booting into MS Windows (or other) is offered. The next time you boot again into GNU/Linux it resumes the last hibernated session. I think OpenSuse should follow this line too. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308705

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[New: openFATE 309190] include FFADO (upgrade from freebob)
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 28 Dec '12

28 Dec '12

Feature added by: Steffen Klein (sklein7) Feature #309190, revision 1 Title: include FFADO (upgrade from freebob) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Steffen Klein (sklein7) Description: FFADO v2 is released since December 2009. It is the successor of the freebob firewire audio driver. The FFADO-release supports more hardware than freebob. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/309190

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[New: openFATE 308243] Add Koha to opensuse Education Distro please. open-source ILS. http://koha.org/
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 28 Dec '12

28 Dec '12

Feature added by: Glenn Doig (doiggl) Feature #308243, revision 1 Title: Add Koha to opensuse Education Distro please. open-source ILS. http://koha.org/ Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Glenn Doig (doiggl) Description: Add Koha to opensuse Education Distro please. Koha is a full-featured open-source ILS. http://koha.org/ Thanks -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308243

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[New: openFATE 308497] Update to GRUB v2
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 08 Dec '12

08 Dec '12

Feature added by: Jeff Mahoney (jeff_mahoney) Feature #308497, revision 1 Title: Update to GRUB v2 openSUSE-11.3: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jeff Mahoney (jeff_mahoney) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Every single bug or feature that anyone has developed for GRUB 0.97 has been rejected by the upstream project in favor of using GRUB 2. There has been resisitence in the distribution community to switching boot loaders, but this stalemate isn't going to go away. The code itself isn't well written or well maintained. Adding a new feature involves jumping through a lot of hoops that may or may not work even if you manage to work around all the runtime limitations. For example, a fs implementation has a static buffer it can use for memory management. It's only 32k. For complex file systems, or even a simple journaled file system, we run into problems (like the reiserfs taking forever to load bug) because we don't have enough memory to do block mapping for the journal so it needs to scan it for every metadata read. (Yeah, really.) GRUB v2 has a cleaner design, is modular, and it has support for multiple architectures including i386, x86-64, and powerpc. Support for ia64 is said to be forthcoming. EFI support is already there. More importantly, it supports far more file systems and has native MD RAID and LVM support. Adding support for a new file system is much easier, cleaner, and has fewer limitations than with GRUB 0.97. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: * Supportability - upstream bug fixes and development community * Features - better fs support, native RAID and LVM support -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308497

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[New: openFATE 308955] Thunderbird KDE integration
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 31 Oct '12

31 Oct '12

Feature added by: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) Feature #308955, revision 1 Title: Thunderbird KDE integration openFATE: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Would be great if the same sort of KDE integration could be applied to Thunderbird as with Firefox and OpenOffice. The interface in general with TB3 on openSUSE 11.2 actually looks fine using the default theme, but KDE file and helper application dialogs would be a big improvement. Even better if this could be included with the 4.3.5 online update or the possible openSUSE 11.2 KDE4.4 respin that I've heard rumours of. Use Case: Take my parents, using a KDE setup but with Firefox and Thunderbird as the two main non-KDE apps installed, for whom the existing GTK file dialogs completely throw them every time they need to pick a file attachment, or to open/save attachments sent to them. It is the only place on their system where they encounter non-KDE dialogs and they are confused. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: I see Thunderbird and GIMP as the two other popular, key apps having a large cross-desktop userbase that could do with better KDE integration. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308955

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