Feature changed by: coolo
Feature #302957, revision 30
Title: Combined "where am I" page
openSUSE-11.0: Done
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Important
- SLED-11: New
+ SLED-11: Evaluation
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
SLES-11: Done
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Requested by: coolo(a)novell.com
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
Our (openSUSE) statistics show that most of our users are not native
english speakers. So I'm blindly assuming they do not have a english
keyboard either and do not live in an english speaking timezone.
So I want the first page to be not just the language in a blue box, but
to have _one_ installation page with language, timezone and keyboard
selection.
These selections should depend on each other, so depending on where I
click first the others change.
To have a good looking addon, I picture the timezone selection as
picture and not as fullscreen list boxes.
Discussion:
#1: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-09 11:48:30)
An additional note, feature #302955 is related (split translations out
of installation system).
#2: jsrain(a)novell.com (2007-11-09 13:27:05)
Isn't it easier for users who do not speak English to have the first
dialog really as simple as possible (since they cannot read it)? Having
just one selection box leads them straight where they need to get; I
guess that most of them use mouse for installation, so keyboard is not
an issue either...
Also, we already have a support in isolinux to select language; then
the first dialog is skipped.
#3: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-09 14:13:14)
If isolinux provides a language, then the page is not worse than the
timezone page is now. Just that it also allows to change the language
after the fact.
If users do not grasp english _at all_, they will have a hard time
booting the installation off the CD. So I would blindly assume that
users have no problem with selecting Deutsch, русский or čeština when
presented with a list even if they do not understand the exact context.
And when next to that list is even a graphical presentation of the
world, most will be able to select the part of the world they live in.
#4: evamaria.fuchs(a)novell.com (2007-11-09 16:00:35)
I think for the secondary target market of opensuse (first time user,
home user)an installer wizard that consists of a series of screens
would be convenient.
Basically it's preferable that language-, time-zone- and keyboard-
selection depend on each other so that modifying one will effect the
others. But - as I prefer a picture (e.g. a rotating globe) for time-
zone selection - sticking them together in one screen would clutter the
whole thing up.
#5: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-15 13:01:50)
after some discussions with Eva, I want to reexpress my request:
I want the language selection to be on one page together with license
and a welcome text and the timezone dialog to be graphical and a
proposed keyboard layout associated to the language from the first
page.
The license text doesn't have to be visible in full beauty. I talked
with the lawyer and what I got was: it's ok if the license can be read,
it doesn't have to optimized for scrolling.
I'll work on a mockup. The challenge is that we might need a slightly
different work flow for ncurses, but I think popups are ok for it. So
you can write UI code, that either fills a special widget or opens a
popup.
#6: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-18 13:53:57) (reply to #5)
Danger Mouse! I'm very far from a capable mockup designer.
But here is my show: http://ktown.kde.org/~coolo/Namenlos.png
#7: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-18 13:54:45) (reply to #6)
Ciaran, just to verify: is this way to present the license ok?
#9: cfarrell(a)suse.de (2007-11-19 08:51:13) (reply to #7)
Provided that we maintain the status quo with regard to not proceeding
with the installation until the user actually accepts the license.
#8: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-18 14:39:45) (reply to #6)
mocking up the timezone page, I leave to the interested reader.
For reference: this is how unbuntu's installer looks like: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall?action=AttachFile&do=get…
I would make the map a little smaller and do not show a region and not
the name of the timezone again, but rather have the value of the
combobox fill in what we have now as Europe/Berlin.
Because I want a "Keyboard: English" with a little test field in there.
But that is to be discussed. The main goal is to have a graphical
selection instead of these fullscreen list boxes.
#10: michl(a)novell.com (2007-11-19 13:28:22)
Mockup looks good. And the whole thing should simplify and shorten the
installation process.
#11: jsrain(a)novell.com (2007-11-19 16:57:23)
The timezone dialog looks good to me, however, we should not present
the other one in the current form. Even if we have a different dialog
for NCurses, we still must take care of Qt with the resolution of
800x600.
With the current font size, the text itself will not fit into the
screen if it is 800x600. Also consider the license - if one wants to
read it, he wants to read a reasonable part of the license without
scrolling - and not to scroll every 3rd line.
IMO this suggestion puts the usability a huge step back
#12: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-19 18:23:04) (reply to #11)
damn, fate crashed on my comment ;(
Again: I'm not a good designer
But as a matter of fact: we do not design the default screen estate for
reading the license, but of course a better design can add a popup to
read the full text in full screen.
#14: locilka(a)novell.com (2007-11-29 13:10:32)
Additional step to help user understand where he is and what he can do
there is to remove a [Show Release Notes] button and place that button
to a Welcome Dialog only. The button doesn't need to occupy
installation wizard screen all the time, it often rather confuses
users.
Frankly, this wasn't my idea but I found it useful :) ;)
#15: jsuchome(a)novell.com (2007-12-20 16:19:25)
Proposal of timezone dialog with a map: http://w3.suse.de/~jsuchome/screenshots/yast2-timezone-wordmap-zoomed.png
BTW, it may not have a sense to offer keyboard configuration together with
timezone. Keyboard layout is currently decided according to selected
language, so it may better fit together with language. But the language
dialog could get eventually too crowded.
#16: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-12-22 14:05:24)
new screenshot for the first page (I tried ycp):
http://ktown.kde.org/~coolo/yast7.png
Some icons and some more text would help the design I'd think.
#17: coolo(a)novell.com (2008-01-08 12:40:13)
http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Yast8.png is Martin's counter proposal.
This one needs icons to differ the combo boxes though, but I believe a
keyboard and an UN flag should make this obvious enough.
#18: locilka(a)novell.com (2008-01-10 15:24:31) (reply to #17)
BTW: This complex dialog will not be part of yast2-country (or similar)
but directly yast2-installation because it contains more than just
defining the language and keyboard settings. License handling needs to
be reworked.
#19: jsuchome(a)novell.com (2008-01-23 09:37:39) (reply to #18)
Well, OK than. I expect you will ask for creating some API of Language
(and maybe Keyboard) module, because current one probably is not
sufficient. The API should be used instead writing whole stuff again
separately, so we don't have the language handling on more places.
#20: locilka(a)novell.com (2008-01-28 11:22:59) (reply to #19)
Yes, Language API would probably help a lot.
Please, propose, what you could create considering the default state at http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/trunk/installation/src/clients/inst_comple…
For instance, generating the combo boxes for language and keyboard
selections might be moved to the API (I saw some functions in the
current API though).
The current implementation has been done in a hurry before the alpha
deadline, it needs to be polished. Feel free to change it directly,
it's open source.
#21: jsuchome(a)novell.com (2008-01-28 11:32:01) (reply to #20)
I agree, currently the API for generating the widget contents is
needed, maybe that's all. I have to check it.
#22: locilka(a)novell.com (2008-02-01 04:09:18)
New "where am I page" with Language, Keyboard, and License will be in
11.0 Alpha2.
#23: locilka(a)novell.com (2008-02-27 11:10:18) (reply to #22)
Done in openSUSE 11.0 Alpha2 (and later).
There were some bugfixes and internal changes though...
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Feature changed by: visnov
Feature #303493, revision 4
Title: zypper: add separate messages for Required and Recomended
packages
- openSUSE-11.0: Evaluation
+ openSUSE-11.0: Rejected by visnov(a)novell.com
+ reject date: 2008-03-27 13:50:16
+ reject reason: Not enough time to look into this.
Priority
Requester: Important
+ openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation
+ Priority
+ Requester: Important
+ Projectmanager: Important
SLES-11: Evaluation
Priority
Requester: Important
+ Projectmanager: Important
Requested by: crrodriguez(a)novell.com
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
currenly when you install a package with zypper, you just get the
packages that are going to be installed, regardless if the are required
or Reccommended,.. will be nice if the messages can be arranged to be
more explict about what the package manager is doing.
"The following NEW [required|reccomended] package is going to be
installed: foo"
also an informative message about Suggested packages should be shown
"The following package(s) is(are) suggested but are not going to be
installed foo bar "
unless user pass --install-suggested or use a boolean configuration
directive on zypp.conf or something, suggested packages should not be
installed by default ..currently it seems to be completely ignored and
does nothing.
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Feature changed by: ke
Feature #302988, revision 12
Title: Don't Zap by default
openSUSE-11.0: Done
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Important
SLED-11: Done
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Important
Requested by: coolo(a)novell.com
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
We have this long standing issue that ctrl-alt-backspace is exiting the
desktop without much the user can do about it, while every **** web
site asks you if you want to discard random information if you browse
away.
While the zap functionality is useful for some and essential for some
situations, where your X server is broken _and_ the keyboard
combination is not _that_ easy to trigger, shutting it off completely
is not preferred.
So we discussed and what seems reasonable is press once -> beep, press
twice -> zap. Egbert and Luc say this can be implemented in the X
server and then we can leave the option on by default.
+ Documentation Impact:
+ yes
Discussion:
#1: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-27 13:36:58)
If this feature can't be implemented by let's say alpha 2 due to other
constraints, I would like to change the default to not zapp for beta1.
#2: michl(a)novell.com (2007-11-27 14:41:40)
fully in agreement with coolo. Do it with few effort asap or leave it.
#3: sndirsch(a)novell.com (2008-01-05 13:07:34)
Sounds like extortion to me. Not nice. And won't help in the end.
People will complain again and we need to revert it again.
#4: lverhaegen(a)novell.com (2008-03-20 02:12:54)
Implemented in server and input driver code. Mailing patches to
sndirsch for integration into packages.
The Sax (or whatever) integration needed to specify this option at
install time still needs to be done (i have no clue there).
Implementation details:
xorg.conf: Option "ZapWarning" "True"
Uses PCSpeaker for beep. Press once, beep. Press again within 2s (which
is ample), terminate. Documented in xorg.conf manpage.
Users will be _so_ thrilled about this cool new feature in openSuSE.
#5: sndirsch(a)novell.com (2008-03-20 16:21:16)
sax2, which sets this option by default, xorg-x11-server and xorg-x11-
driver-input has now been submitted to STABLE. ==> FIXED for
STABLE/Factory *and* openSUSE 11.0 Beta1.
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Feature changed by: sndirsch
Feature #302988, revision 11
Title: Don't Zap by default
- openSUSE-11.0: Candidate
+ openSUSE-11.0: Done
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Important
- SLED-11: Candidate
+ SLED-11: Done
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Important
Requested by: coolo(a)novell.com
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
We have this long standing issue that ctrl-alt-backspace is exiting the
desktop without much the user can do about it, while every **** web
site asks you if you want to discard random information if you browse
away.
While the zap functionality is useful for some and essential for some
situations, where your X server is broken _and_ the keyboard
combination is not _that_ easy to trigger, shutting it off completely
is not preferred.
So we discussed and what seems reasonable is press once -> beep, press
twice -> zap. Egbert and Luc say this can be implemented in the X
server and then we can leave the option on by default.
Discussion:
#1: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-27 13:36:58)
If this feature can't be implemented by let's say alpha 2 due to other
constraints, I would like to change the default to not zapp for beta1.
#2: michl(a)novell.com (2007-11-27 14:41:40)
fully in agreement with coolo. Do it with few effort asap or leave it.
#3: sndirsch(a)novell.com (2008-01-05 13:07:34)
Sounds like extortion to me. Not nice. And won't help in the end.
People will complain again and we need to revert it again.
#4: lverhaegen(a)novell.com (2008-03-20 02:12:54)
Implemented in server and input driver code. Mailing patches to
sndirsch for integration into packages.
The Sax (or whatever) integration needed to specify this option at
install time still needs to be done (i have no clue there).
Implementation details:
xorg.conf: Option "ZapWarning" "True"
Uses PCSpeaker for beep. Press once, beep. Press again within 2s (which
is ample), terminate. Documented in xorg.conf manpage.
Users will be _so_ thrilled about this cool new feature in openSuSE.
+ #5: sndirsch(a)novell.com (2008-03-20 16:21:16)
+ sax2, which sets this option by default, xorg-x11-server and xorg-x11-
+ driver-input has now been submitted to STABLE. ==> FIXED for
+ STABLE/Factory *and* openSUSE 11.0 Beta1.
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Feature changed by: lverhaegen
Feature #302988, revision 10
Title: Don't Zap by default
openSUSE-11.0: Candidate
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Important
SLED-11: Candidate
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Important
Requested by: coolo(a)novell.com
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
We have this long standing issue that ctrl-alt-backspace is exiting the
desktop without much the user can do about it, while every **** web
site asks you if you want to discard random information if you browse
away.
While the zap functionality is useful for some and essential for some
situations, where your X server is broken _and_ the keyboard
combination is not _that_ easy to trigger, shutting it off completely
is not preferred.
So we discussed and what seems reasonable is press once -> beep, press
twice -> zap. Egbert and Luc say this can be implemented in the X
server and then we can leave the option on by default.
Discussion:
#1: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-27 13:36:58)
If this feature can't be implemented by let's say alpha 2 due to other
constraints, I would like to change the default to not zapp for beta1.
#2: michl(a)novell.com (2007-11-27 14:41:40)
fully in agreement with coolo. Do it with few effort asap or leave it.
#3: sndirsch(a)novell.com (2008-01-05 13:07:34)
Sounds like extortion to me. Not nice. And won't help in the end.
People will complain again and we need to revert it again.
+ #4: lverhaegen(a)novell.com (2008-03-20 02:12:54)
+ Implemented in server and input driver code. Mailing patches to
+ sndirsch for integration into packages.
+ The Sax (or whatever) integration needed to specify this option at
+ install time still needs to be done (i have no clue there).
+ Implementation details:
+ xorg.conf: Option "ZapWarning" "True"
+ Uses PCSpeaker for beep. Press once, beep. Press again within 2s (which
+ is ample), terminate. Documented in xorg.conf manpage.
+ Users will be _so_ thrilled about this cool new feature in openSuSE.
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Feature changed by: hvogel
Feature #302988, revision 9
Title: Don't Zap by default
- openSUSE-11.0: Evaluation
+ openSUSE-11.0: Candidate
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Important
- SLED-11: Evaluation
+ SLED-11: Candidate
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
Projectmanager: Important
Requested by: coolo(a)novell.com
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
We have this long standing issue that ctrl-alt-backspace is exiting the
desktop without much the user can do about it, while every **** web
site asks you if you want to discard random information if you browse
away.
While the zap functionality is useful for some and essential for some
situations, where your X server is broken _and_ the keyboard
combination is not _that_ easy to trigger, shutting it off completely
is not preferred.
So we discussed and what seems reasonable is press once -> beep, press
twice -> zap. Egbert and Luc say this can be implemented in the X
server and then we can leave the option on by default.
Discussion:
#1: coolo(a)novell.com (2007-11-27 13:36:58)
If this feature can't be implemented by let's say alpha 2 due to other
constraints, I would like to change the default to not zapp for beta1.
#2: michl(a)novell.com (2007-11-27 14:41:40)
fully in agreement with coolo. Do it with few effort asap or leave it.
#3: sndirsch(a)novell.com (2008-01-05 13:07:34)
Sounds like extortion to me. Not nice. And won't help in the end.
People will complain again and we need to revert it again.
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Feature changed by: jsrain
Feature #303527, revision 4
Title: Resolve dependencies after ignoring package download failure
openSUSE-11.1: New
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: jkupec(a)novell.com
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
YaST and Zypper should run the solver before resuming installation if
download of a package fails and the user chooses to ignore that
package. Currently YaST continues withough solving which makes the
ignore button useful only if the user knows how the missing package
will affect the system.
References:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=340345#c4
+ http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/2008-03/msg00025.html
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Feature changed by: aj
Feature #303517, revision 2
Title: Configure a cronjob for refreshing repositories
- openSUSE-11.1: New
+ openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: lslezak(a)novell.com
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
Autorefresh configured repositories at certain times, this could be on
certain days, or time of day, etc.
A mockup and more details are in
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=346966
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Feature changed by: gekker
Feature #303367, revision 7
Title: Better Beagle Acceptance
openSUSE-11.0: Evaluation
Priority
Requester: Mandatory
+ Projectmanager: Important
Requested by: aj(a)novell.com
Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
There have been several discussions on the public openSUSE mailing
lists, e.g.
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2008-01/msg00157.html where
people complain about resource usage or garbage from beagle.
I suggest that we analyze the current situation and check where are
real problems and consider solutions. One option would be to make it
easier for users to not enable beagle on their systems.
Note: The feature request is about getting a better acceptance by our
users of our indexing technology - and therefore let's figure out what
are the problems they are hitting in real life.
References:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282678
Discussion:
#1: aj(a)novell.com (2008-01-20 11:12:58)
See also bug 282678.
#2: aj(a)novell.com (2008-01-23 16:23:51)
Note: powertop advises "Suggestion: Disable or remove 'beagle' from
your system. Beagle is the program that indexes for easy desktop
search, however it's not very efficient and costs a significant amount
of battery life.".
#3: jpr(a)novell.com (2008-01-23 10:38:58) (reply to #2)
Yes, this is well known and was covered extensively last year and
caused by polling for battery status in some cases.
0.3.2 uses hal to detect battery status:
http://www.mail-archive.com/dashboard-hackers@gnome.org/msg03464.html
#4: jpr(a)novell.com (2008-01-23 10:41:35) (reply to #3)
Also part of it was a mono issue: http://www.nabble.com/Beagle-indexing-when-running-on-batteries-td13842939.…
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Feature #303527, revision 2
Title: Resolve dependencies after ignoring package download failure
openSUSE-11.1: New
Priority
Requester: Desirable
Requested by: jkupec(a)novell.com
+ Partner organization: openSUSE.org
Description:
YaST and Zypper should run the solver before resuming installation if
download of a package fails and the user chooses to ignore that
package. Currently YaST continues withough solving which makes the
ignore button useful only if the user knows how the missing package
will affect the system.
References:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=340345#c4
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