[opensuse-factory] openSUSE Leap 42.1 is RELEASED
The wait is over and a new era begins for openSUSE releases. Contributors, friends and fans can now download the first Linux hybrid distro openSUSE Leap 42.1. Since the last release, exactly one year ago, openSUSE transformed its development process to create an entirely new type of hybrid Linux distribution called openSUSE Leap. Version 42.1 is the first version of openSUSE Leap that uses source from SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) providing a level of stability that will prove to be unmatched by other Linux distributions. Bonding community development and enterprise reliability provides more cohesion for the project and its contributor’s maintenance updates. openSUSE Leap will benefit from the enterprise maintenance effort and will have some of the same packages and updates as SLE, which is different from previous openSUSE versions that created separate maintenance streams. Community developers provide an equal level of contribution to Leap and upstream projects to the release, which bridges a gap between matured packages and newer packages found in openSUSE’s other distribution Tumbleweed. Since the move was such a shift from previous versions, a new version number and version naming strategy was adapted to reflect the change. The SLE sources come from SUSE’s soon to be released SLE 12 Service Pack 1 (SP1). The naming strategy is SLE 12 SP1 or 12.1 + 30 = openSUSE Leap 42.1. Many have asked why 42, but SUSE and openSUSE have a tradition of starting big ideas with a four and two, a reference to The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. Every minor version of openSUSE Leap users can expect a new KDE and GNOME, but today is all about openSUSE Leap 42.1, so if you are tired of a brown desktop, try a green one. Thank You to everyone who helped make this big Leap a success Have a lot of fun, and get thinking about how we can make Leap 42.2 even better :) Regards, Richard Brown openSUSE Board Chairman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/11/15 03:29, Richard Brown wrote:
The wait is over and a new era begins for openSUSE releases. Contributors, friends and fans can now download the first Linux hybrid distro openSUSE Leap 42.1. Since the last release, exactly one year ago, openSUSE transformed its development process to create an entirely new type of hybrid Linux distribution called openSUSE Leap.
Version 42.1 is the first version of openSUSE Leap that uses source from SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) providing a level of stability that will prove to be unmatched by other Linux distributions.
[rest pruned] Right, so it has now been released into the wilds of the IT jungle. But I do note that the announcement wasn't even sent to the 'main' openSUSE list called opensuse@opensuse.org where every man and his dog go to find information. There is also mention of Tumbleweed - which raises another good question: will Tumbelweed ever come out of the closet and be given the proper respect it deserves or will it be still only be whispered about in the mystic land called FACTORY and the only time 'we' will hear about TW is when an announcement is made that a new "snapshot" - worth 4.4GB of data - has been released? (Mention Tumbleweed in HELP and you will get a clip behind the ear from Patrick - or will this now change? :-) .) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:36:39PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 05/11/15 03:29, Richard Brown wrote:
The wait is over and a new era begins for openSUSE releases. Contributors, friends and fans can now download the first Linux hybrid distro openSUSE Leap 42.1. Since the last release, exactly one year ago, openSUSE transformed its development process to create an entirely new type of hybrid Linux distribution called openSUSE Leap.
Version 42.1 is the first version of openSUSE Leap that uses source from SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) providing a level of stability that will prove to be unmatched by other Linux distributions.
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Right, so it has now been released into the wilds of the IT jungle.
But I do note that the announcement wasn't even sent to the 'main' openSUSE list called opensuse@opensuse.org where every man and his dog go to find information.
There is also mention of Tumbleweed - which raises another good question: will Tumbelweed ever come out of the closet and be given the proper respect it deserves or will it be still only be whispered about in the mystic land called FACTORY and the only time 'we' will hear about TW is when an announcement is made that a new "snapshot" - worth 4.4GB of data - has been released? (Mention Tumbleweed in HELP and you will get a clip behind the ear from Patrick - or will this now change? :-) .)
Tumbleweed is a rolling release and so ... there will not be huge leaps for Tumbleweed, just continuous rolling ;) And it is not 4GB of data every snapshot, its way less. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
2015-11-05 11:02 GMT-02:00 Marcus Meissner <meissner@suse.de>:
On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:36:39PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 05/11/15 03:29, Richard Brown wrote:
The wait is over and a new era begins for openSUSE releases. Contributors, friends and fans can now download the first Linux hybrid distro openSUSE Leap 42.1. Since the last release, exactly one year ago, openSUSE transformed its development process to create an entirely new type of hybrid Linux distribution called openSUSE Leap.
Version 42.1 is the first version of openSUSE Leap that uses source from SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) providing a level of stability that will prove to be unmatched by other Linux distributions.
[rest pruned]
Right, so it has now been released into the wilds of the IT jungle.
But I do note that the announcement wasn't even sent to the 'main' openSUSE list called opensuse@opensuse.org where every man and his dog go to find information.
There is also mention of Tumbleweed - which raises another good question: will Tumbelweed ever come out of the closet and be given the proper respect it deserves or will it be still only be whispered about in the mystic land called FACTORY and the only time 'we' will hear about TW is when an announcement is made that a new "snapshot" - worth 4.4GB of data - has been released? (Mention Tumbleweed in HELP and you will get a clip behind the ear from Patrick - or will this now change? :-) .)
Tumbleweed is a rolling release and so ... there will not be huge leaps for Tumbleweed, just continuous rolling ;)
And it is not 4GB of data every snapshot, its way less.
Ciao, Marcus --
Also, every week there is the Dominique review of week mail in this list, Facebook, his blog and there is a blog about it in https://news.opensuse.org/ like that: https://news.opensuse.org/2015/10/28/rolling-awesome-of-the-day/ Regards, Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/11/15 00:02, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:36:39PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 05/11/15 03:29, Richard Brown wrote:
The wait is over and a new era begins for openSUSE releases. Contributors, friends and fans can now download the first Linux hybrid distro openSUSE Leap 42.1. Since the last release, exactly one year ago, openSUSE transformed its development process to create an entirely new type of hybrid Linux distribution called openSUSE Leap.
Version 42.1 is the first version of openSUSE Leap that uses source from SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) providing a level of stability that will prove to be unmatched by other Linux distributions. [rest pruned]
Right, so it has now been released into the wilds of the IT jungle.
But I do note that the announcement wasn't even sent to the 'main' openSUSE list called opensuse@opensuse.org where every man and his dog go to find information.
There is also mention of Tumbleweed - which raises another good question: will Tumbelweed ever come out of the closet and be given the proper respect it deserves or will it be still only be whispered about in the mystic land called FACTORY and the only time 'we' will hear about TW is when an announcement is made that a new "snapshot" - worth 4.4GB of data - has been released? (Mention Tumbleweed in HELP and you will get a clip behind the ear from Patrick - or will this now change? :-) .) Tumbleweed is a rolling release and so ... there will not be huge leaps for Tumbleweed, just continuous rolling ;)
And it is not 4GB of data every snapshot, its way less.
Ah, you are a proud owner of the subminiature camera called Minox, right? :-) . My camera is an adult and the last snapshot of Tumbleweed it took a day or so ago showed that TW was 4.4GB small :-) . Ah, but better still a picture may be more productive: http://susepaste.org/32433832 the only "gotcha" with this one is that it is the very latest snapshot but nevertheless the same size as all the previous snapshots. :-) BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/11/15 00:02, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:36:39PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 05/11/15 03:29, Richard Brown wrote:
The wait is over and a new era begins for openSUSE releases. Contributors, friends and fans can now download the first Linux hybrid distro openSUSE Leap 42.1. Since the last release, exactly one year ago, openSUSE transformed its development process to create an entirely new type of hybrid Linux distribution called openSUSE Leap.
Version 42.1 is the first version of openSUSE Leap that uses source from SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) providing a level of stability that will prove to be unmatched by other Linux distributions. [rest pruned]
Right, so it has now been released into the wilds of the IT jungle.
But I do note that the announcement wasn't even sent to the 'main' openSUSE list called opensuse@opensuse.org where every man and his dog go to find information.
There is also mention of Tumbleweed - which raises another good question: will Tumbelweed ever come out of the closet and be given the proper respect it deserves or will it be still only be whispered about in the mystic land called FACTORY and the only time 'we' will hear about TW is when an announcement is made that a new "snapshot" - worth 4.4GB of data - has been released? (Mention Tumbleweed in HELP and you will get a clip behind the ear from Patrick - or will this now change? :-) .) Tumbleweed is a rolling release and so ... there will not be huge leaps for Tumbleweed, just continuous rolling ;)
Just like that great song, "Ol' Man River, He just keeps on rollin' alon' .....".
And it is not 4GB of data every snapshot, its way less.
Ciao, Marcus
BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-04 17:29, Richard Brown wrote:
Have a lot of fun, and get thinking about how we can make Leap 42.2 even better :)
Good! But I just noticed that there are no "Live" versions, when the question popped out in another list. Me, I'm interested in the "Rescue" stick, I use it a lot. Will they appear later? https://software.opensuse.org/421/en -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:34, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@...> wrote:
On 2015-11-04 17:29, Richard Brown wrote:
Have a lot of fun, and get thinking about how we can make Leap 42.2 even better :)
Good!
But I just noticed that there are no "Live" versions, when the question popped out in another list. Me, I'm interested in the "Rescue" stick, I use it a lot.
Will they appear later?
IMHO, lets wait for, say 2 to 4 weeks, integrate all until then accumulated patches, and then build a "Rescue" and "Live" media. That way we do not expose a unready / only partial useable version to the broad public. AFAIKT, such media are available a loooong time, and are very seldom refreshed and rebuild during this time. Lets not expose such media to early in this time caught bugs, as esp. for the "Rescue" media that would be a desaster. The change of the base (until 13.2 pure OSS and Leap has SLE base) escalates this. Lets be extra careful, yes? By the way, good work on Leap. Despite the niggle with nouveau in initrd (my workaround was 1. make sure that nouveau is not blacklisted / aliased to false 2. add the kernelmodules to the dracut conf [nouveau, drm_kms_helper] 3. rebuild initrd ) It was a good installation experience (fresh, an 13.2 upgrade), next weekend I'll try Install-Media based upgrade from 12.3, lets look how that works. - Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-11-05 13:53, Yamaban wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:34, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@...> wrote:
IMHO, lets wait for, say 2 to 4 weeks, integrate all until then accumulated patches, and then build a "Rescue" and "Live" media.
That way we do not expose a unready / only partial useable version to the broad public.
Yes, absolutely, I like that idea. :-))
AFAIKT, such media are available a loooong time, and are very seldom refreshed and rebuild during this time. Lets not expose such media to early in this time caught bugs, as esp. for the "Rescue" media that would be a desaster.
Unfortunately, many people like to try new releases in a live version, prior to deciding whether to install it or not for real. That would apply to the KDE/Gnome isos. For the rescue image, I agree absolutely, lets wait a bit. For instance, on 13.2 there were some situations with a badly broken btrfs filesystem, that was unrepairable via 13.2 rescue live. Instead people had to use the TW rescue image, containing the updates to btrfs tools or kernel that avoided the problem. But there should be a note about this delay in the download page itself. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlY7WJ0ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W/hQCfd6QMzCSbHtGB4otvjCixUvmg BWUAn0lxSXS/efCWj/KxI9Ki9HkMNp5A =5UOF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 13:53 +0100, Yamaban wrote:
IMHO, lets wait for, say 2 to 4 weeks, integrate all until then accumulated patches, and then build a "Rescue" and "Live" media.
Interesting mail - are you volunteering somebody else's time to actually DO the work or will you be doing it? Cheers, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 14:35, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@...> wrote:
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 13:53 +0100, Yamaban wrote:
IMHO, lets wait for, say 2 to 4 weeks, integrate all until then accumulated patches, and then build a "Rescue" and "Live" media.
Interesting mail - are you volunteering somebody else's time to actually DO the work or will you be doing it?
Cheers, Dominique
Good question. TBH, I have neither the time nor the resources to do the needed work myself. Sadly, every year in late October, every two bit gooshie comes out of the woodwork and heaps work on me. So, no, not possible before mid January for me. I meant it as a informative warning on the consequences of "lets do it NOW". Give it a little time to ripe, get the early bugs out, all that takes time. Yes, I would welcome a "rescue" mini-media, but atm the -for me- already physically available install-media (as dvd and stick) works for what I need. But small (relevant for fast download on low bandwidth) is something else. - Yamaban.
On 2015-11-05 14:49, Yamaban wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 14:35, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@...> wrote:
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 13:53 +0100, Yamaban wrote:
IMHO, lets wait for, say 2 to 4 weeks, integrate all until then accumulated patches, and then build a "Rescue" and "Live" media.
Interesting mail - are you volunteering somebody else's time to actually DO the work or will you be doing it?
Question: TW has those ISO; I hope they are created more or less automatically. Can't the same be done on Leap? I ask, I don't know.
Yes, I would welcome a "rescue" mini-media, but atm the -for me- already physically available install-media (as dvd and stick) works for what I need. But small (relevant for fast download on low bandwidth) is something else.
Well, for me the size of the rescue image is not an issue. I would gladly download a bigger one even over a modem, if available. But the Rescue image has a very nice selection of tools for those jobs that require being done from "outside" the installation. Be it repair, partition change, backup image creation... I can have my own scripts on the usb stick, even install a few extra packages. It is a wonderful tool. Other people have indeed download problems, so the small live install media are a plus. There are many scenarios :-) If it is not feasible to create a rescue image this time, perhaps somebody that knows how can create one in Studio and publish the link :-? Or at least, publish the profile needed so that others can use as a starting point to create their own. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
05.11.2015 17:03, Carlos E. R. пишет:
Well, for me the size of the rescue image is not an issue. I would gladly download a bigger one even over a modem, if available. But the Rescue image has a very nice selection of tools for those jobs that require being done from "outside" the installation. Be it repair, partition change, backup image creation... I can have my own scripts on the usb stick, even install a few extra packages. It is a wonderful tool.
There are plenty of dedicated rescue images. What justifies additional efforts spent on creating yet another one? What openSUSE rescue image offers that other long existing ones are lacking? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-11-05 18:12, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
05.11.2015 17:03, Carlos E. R. пишет:
There are plenty of dedicated rescue images. What justifies additional efforts spent on creating yet another one? What openSUSE rescue image offers that other long existing ones are lacking?
But... if it exists already (13.1, 13.2, TW., and others I forget), what is the extra effort needed for Leap? (I don't know, I ask). What does it offer? Well, the same kernel, and YaST. The same tool set as the computer under repair. Some things requires similar tools and versions, but others are simply more familiar. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlY7mc8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UCHACglO5xADtfv+a4KCiilc7gRj/o jw8An3qwimImaFpKt4Vv+dHZZ3qZzN6K =RBqF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
05.11.2015 21:02, Carlos E. R. пишет:
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On 2015-11-05 18:12, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
05.11.2015 17:03, Carlos E. R. пишет:
There are plenty of dedicated rescue images. What justifies additional efforts spent on creating yet another one? What openSUSE rescue image offers that other long existing ones are lacking?
But... if it exists already (13.1, 13.2, TW., and others I forget), what is the extra effort needed for Leap? (I don't know, I ask).
I never understood why it had to be created.
What does it offer? Well, the same kernel, and YaST.
What can you do with YaST on live boot? Can you use it to manage installed system? If yes, I missed how to do it. If not, what use it has? Kernel ... OK, that is valid argument.
The same tool set as the computer under repair. Some things requires similar tools and versions, but others are simply more familiar.
That's really too vague. The only truly unique tool is snapper - can you use snapper on rescue medium to manage your main system(s)? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-05 19:27, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
05.11.2015 21:02, Carlos E. R. пишет:
I never understood why it had to be created.
Well, I don't have download figures, but it is quite popular.
What does it offer? Well, the same kernel, and YaST.
What can you do with YaST on live boot? Can you use it to manage installed system? If yes, I missed how to do it. If not, what use it has?
chroot to the installed system, do things. Or don't, and configure some things in the rescue system. You can use the partitioner module, for example (I did). I installed packages on it, using zypper or rpm (I don't remember which).
Kernel ... OK, that is valid argument.
The same tool set as the computer under repair. Some things requires similar tools and versions, but others are simply more familiar.
That's really too vague. The only truly unique tool is snapper - can you use snapper on rescue medium to manage your main system(s)?
I don't use btrfs, but I do use XFS repair tools. Yes, of course they work. In fact, people on 13.2 had to use TW rescue image to repair breakage on 13.2 btrfs root filesystem, unrepairable because of bug on 13.2. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
05.11.2015 21:36, Carlos E. R. пишет:
On 2015-11-05 19:27, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
05.11.2015 21:02, Carlos E. R. пишет:
I never understood why it had to be created.
Well, I don't have download figures, but it is quite popular.
OK, I added to scores by downloading it yesterday :)
What does it offer? Well, the same kernel, and YaST.
What can you do with YaST on live boot? Can you use it to manage installed system? If yes, I missed how to do it. If not, what use it has?
chroot to the installed system, do things.
If you chroot you do not use rescue system at all.
Or don't, and configure some things in the rescue system.
You can use the partitioner module, for example (I did).
Will it also configure main system (add/remove mount points in /etc/fstab, update /etc/crypttab etc)?
I installed packages on it, using zypper or rpm (I don't remember which).
Yes, zypper may be useful. Except how many users know about -R option? And it requires full mount tree to be reconstructed manually.
Kernel ... OK, that is valid argument.
The same tool set as the computer under repair. Some things requires similar tools and versions, but others are simply more familiar.
That's really too vague. The only truly unique tool is snapper - can you use snapper on rescue medium to manage your main system(s)?
I don't use btrfs, but I do use XFS repair tools. Yes, of course they work.
snapper in *rescue* to manage snapshots in *main* installation? OK, it has -r option so may be something can be done. But it does not explain, what - says "works only for some commands". Are XFS repair tools something that is SUSE specific and is not present in other distributions?
In fact, people on 13.2 had to use TW rescue image to repair breakage on 13.2 btrfs root filesystem, unrepairable because of bug on 13.2.
Any rescue media with newer kernels/btrfs tools would do. So basically the advantage of this image are matching kernel version (but your last example shows that it is questionable advantage) and ability to manage packages using native tool. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/6/15, Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> wrote:
05.11.2015 21:36, Carlos E. R. пишет:
On 2015-11-05 19:27, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
05.11.2015 21:02, Carlos E. R. пишет:
I never understood why it had to be created.
Well, I don't have download figures, but it is quite popular.
OK, I added to scores by downloading it yesterday :)
What does it offer? Well, the same kernel, and YaST.
What can you do with YaST on live boot? Can you use it to manage installed system? If yes, I missed how to do it. If not, what use it has?
chroot to the installed system, do things.
If you chroot you do not use rescue system at all.
Or don't, and configure some things in the rescue system.
You can use the partitioner module, for example (I did).
Will it also configure main system (add/remove mount points in /etc/fstab, update /etc/crypttab etc)?
I installed packages on it, using zypper or rpm (I don't remember which).
Yes, zypper may be useful. Except how many users know about -R option? And it requires full mount tree to be reconstructed manually.
Kernel ... OK, that is valid argument.
The same tool set as the computer under repair. Some things requires similar tools and versions, but others are simply more familiar.
That's really too vague. The only truly unique tool is snapper - can you use snapper on rescue medium to manage your main system(s)?
I don't use btrfs, but I do use XFS repair tools. Yes, of course they work.
snapper in *rescue* to manage snapshots in *main* installation? OK, it has -r option so may be something can be done. But it does not explain, what - says "works only for some commands".
Are XFS repair tools something that is SUSE specific and is not present in other distributions?
In fact, people on 13.2 had to use TW rescue image to repair breakage on 13.2 btrfs root filesystem, unrepairable because of bug on 13.2.
Any rescue media with newer kernels/btrfs tools would do.
So basically the advantage of this image are matching kernel version (but your last example shows that it is questionable advantage) and ability to manage packages using native tool.
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In the past I've used the old very basic rescue system to boot a system with a cooked boot loader using chroot and kexec, to boot with the systems kernel and then fix the boot from within the system. The new 13.2 live rescue looks really useful compared to what I've had to use in the past. On another note I've finally (been able to) replaced my old rattling 12.1 system with Leap42.1. Best Regards Dave Plater -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-11-06 06:02, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
05.11.2015 21:36, Carlos E. R. пишет:
On 2015-11-05 19:27, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
05.11.2015 21:02, Carlos E. R. пишет:
I never understood why it had to be created.
Well, I don't have download figures, but it is quite popular.
OK, I added to scores by downloading it yesterday :)
:-)
chroot to the installed system, do things.
If you chroot you do not use rescue system at all.
Except what is already in memory, I understand.
Or don't, and configure some things in the rescue system.
You can use the partitioner module, for example (I did).
Will it also configure main system (add/remove mount points in /etc/fstab, update /etc/crypttab etc)?
Good point. I guess not.
I installed packages on it, using zypper or rpm (I don't remember which).
Yes, zypper may be useful. Except how many users know about -R option? And it requires full mount tree to be reconstructed manually.
No, I meant install packages onto the rescue usb stick itself. Installing things onto the system being rescued is another possibility I haven't tried, but should work: it is what the install system does, I understand.
Kernel ... OK, that is valid argument.
The same tool set as the computer under repair. Some things requires similar tools and versions, but others are simply more familiar.
That's really too vague. The only truly unique tool is snapper - can you use snapper on rescue medium to manage your main system(s)?
I don't use btrfs, but I do use XFS repair tools. Yes, of course they work.
snapper in *rescue* to manage snapshots in *main* installation? OK, it has -r option so may be something can be done. But it does not explain, what - says "works only for some commands".
Did I say "only"? :-?
Are XFS repair tools something that is SUSE specific and is not present in other distributions?
You have to use xfs tools corresponding to your setup, or things may break. XFS is still under development, and they add things to the on disk format. I have seen the tools fail because they are either too old, or too new (both!). They may also be built with different options.
In fact, people on 13.2 had to use TW rescue image to repair breakage on 13.2 btrfs root filesystem, unrepairable because of bug on 13.2.
Any rescue media with newer kernels/btrfs tools would do.
Perhaps. But SUSE considers some btrfs features experimental and they may not be included on all rescue media. They have to match the feature set that we use, anyway.
So basically the advantage of this image are matching kernel version (but your last example shows that it is questionable advantage) and ability to manage packages using native tool.
I have used other rescue media, and the one made by openSUSE has been the best in most cases I had. The exception are specific tools, like for instance, clonezilla. Having an almost fully featured XFCE graphical environment is a plus. Of course I can work in text mode (some people I know will absolutely refuse to, though), but I like having a bunch of xterms to see things at a glance and copy-paste text. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlY8ee8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1z8BAEAi+VbkZzu2kyf0+HRNvsamMWm ydluOLkNNN3BCH++PvAA/jNCZ/d+7RxFFsn9wwJbCqZP/E7xYZsFUvkmDF1cdfDm =fT17 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, On Nov 5 21:27 Andrei Borzenkov wrote (excerpt):
05.11.2015 21:02, Carlos E. R.:
On 2015-11-05 18:12, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
There are plenty of dedicated rescue images. What justifies additional efforts spent on creating yet another one? What openSUSE rescue image offers that other long existing ones are lacking? ... I never understood why it had to be created.
What does it offer? Well, the same kernel, and YaST. ... Kernel ... OK, that is valid argument.
The same tool set as the computer under repair. ... That's really too vague. The only truly unique tool is snapper
I do not agree that "The only truly unique tool is snapper". For example SUSE has a specially enhanced parted that can deal with a so called 'gpt_sync_mbr' partitioning. For example SUSE has special systemd/udev rules to get the right kernel modules loaded in the right ordering (at least what is "the right thing" for SUSE) so that for example disk device nodes and network interfaces in the rescue system would be the same as in the original system. For example SUSE has zypper. You can run "zypper -R </dev/sda1_mountpoint>" to let it operate on a different root directory so that zypper could be useful in a rescue system. For example regarding btrfs I think it is in general better when one uses the SUSE kernel plus the SUSE btrfs tools in a rescue system. For example when using mkfs.btrfs from SUSE it makes a btrfs filesystem with "the right defaults" for SUSE. In general regarding using a different system for rescue tasks compared to the initial installation system have a look at "Deployment via recovery installation" and "The limitation is what the special rear recovery system can do" in https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Disaster_Recovery Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX GmbH - GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton - HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 5 November 2015 at 15:03, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2015-11-05 14:49, Yamaban wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 14:35, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@...> wrote:
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 13:53 +0100, Yamaban wrote:
IMHO, lets wait for, say 2 to 4 weeks, integrate all until then accumulated patches, and then build a "Rescue" and "Live" media.
Interesting mail - are you volunteering somebody else's time to actually DO the work or will you be doing it?
Question: TW has those ISO; I hope they are created more or less automatically. Can't the same be done on Leap? I ask, I don't know
No Production is one thing, testing, maintaining, and fixing bugs for the lifecycle of a distribution is another thing Production is easy and can be automated Maintaining is hard and cannot be automated Fixing bugs is extra hard and requires similar hardware to reproduce hardware specific issues If people step up to do the work for Leap 42.1 32-bit, fine, but they didn't during the development of Leap, and I see no signs of that changing. It's a dying architecture, it's time to think about moving on. TW's 32-bit images have now been reduced from being tested on par with 64-bit to barely being tested at all (less than ppc64le or aarch64, two architectures where we have people contributing to the production and maintenance of those architectures). I'm pretty sure it wont be that long before we'll be having a discussion about the removal of TW 32-bit also - but at this very moment, it's less work to keep it going on 'autopilot' than removing it - We're probably only one major 32-bit architecture specific bug away though from having to make a serious decision about whether it's feasible to continue support though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Resending. Post is not arriving on to the list. On 2015-11-06 10:04, Richard Brown wrote:
On 5 November 2015 at 15:03, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
Question: TW has those ISO; I hope they are created more or less automatically. Can't the same be done on Leap? I ask, I don't know
No
Production is one thing, testing, maintaining, and fixing bugs for the lifecycle of a distribution is another thing
But those isos are never fixed.
If people step up to do the work for Leap 42.1 32-bit, fine, but they
Wait. In this part of the thread we are not talking about 32 bits. You are confusing posts. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlY8lOYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VrYACeMZYEEt+0AllWrlSCXNR9FCUs Gz4AoJU5Sih5yMvlvthb5M8On6eGA38R =lPq0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/05/2015 03:03 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-11-05 14:49, Yamaban wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 14:35, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@...> wrote:
On Thu, 2015-11-05 at 13:53 +0100, Yamaban wrote:
Yes, I would welcome a "rescue" mini-media, but atm the -for me- already physically available install-media (as dvd and stick) works for what I need. But small (relevant for fast download on low bandwidth) is something else.
Well, for me the size of the rescue image is not an issue. I would gladly download a bigger one even over a modem, if available. But the Rescue image has a very nice selection of tools for those jobs that require being done from "outside" the installation. Be it repair, partition change, backup image creation... I can have my own scripts on the usb stick, even install a few extra packages. It is a wonderful tool.
If size is not an issue. Why don't you simply use the "rescue system" option from the Leap DVD? Is it any worse (apart from the size) than the old rescue image? Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2015-11-06 12:35, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
If size is not an issue. Why don't you simply use the "rescue system" option from the Leap DVD? Is it any worse (apart from the size) than the old rescue image?
Have you tried it? The rescue CD/USB is a full fledged XFCE desktop. It is way different that the minimal rescue system on the DVD, which for starters, is text only, and thus can not run tools such as gparted, for instance. Or graphical mail client, to request help here. Or a browser, to post a bugzilla. Or network manager, to setup internet in the rescue system (and remember the settings for the next time). So yes, the answer is yes, it is very much worse. The openSUSE XFCE rescue image is a WONDERFUL tool. I don't understand at all how people oppose to having it available for Leap, when it is available for all other releases. The only thing that the rescue image doesn't do is install the distro, or include bloatware like LO or Gimp. Not its purpose. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlY8lskACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V4QQCglRpicyXbRWYOnZ27kV1CaHKz 8akAn1gBpTaF+JoP0dBDL8i51E9IrxaO =bUbX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/06/2015 01:02 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-11-06 12:35, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
If size is not an issue. Why don't you simply use the "rescue system" option from the Leap DVD? Is it any worse (apart from the size) than the old rescue image?
Have you tried it?
No, never. That's why I was asking. :-) Thanks for the explanation. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-06 13:08, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 11/06/2015 01:02 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Have you tried it?
No, never. That's why I was asking. :-)
Thanks for the explanation.
Ah, I see. Welcome :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Fri, 2015-11-06 at 13:02 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
So yes, the answer is yes, it is very much worse. The openSUSE XFCE rescue image is a WONDERFUL tool. I don't understand at all how people oppose to having it available for Leap, when it is available for all other releases.
The only thing that the rescue image doesn't do is install the distro, or include bloatware like LO or Gimp. Not its purpose.
Why does it have to be a LEAP based one? What is worse in that minimal CD produced every couple days in the Tumbleweed setup? You get a more recent set of tools, that should still be able to manage your older install, you get regular bug fixes, you have a more modern kernel, thus unlike with an older release, you do not lose hardware support. People: please stop ASKING for stuff to be done FOR you: STEP up and DO the stuff - asking is easy and volunteering other people's time as well. Once an idea has been formulated, it does not help to keep on re- iterating WHY you need this; you will have to find somebody with spare cycles to actually DO the work - and that is another game. The kiwi recipes are available in OBS (in openSUSE:Factory:Live) and everybody is free to re-use them. Cheers, Dominique (yes, I started a PoC last night in home:dimstar:Leap:Live - I will not invest more time in it than producing an .iso file - this already proves to be quite some work as the TW templates obviously do not exactly match Leap 42.1; if it works, nice. if not, I am not going to fix it up.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-06 13:56, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
Why does it have to be a LEAP based one? What is worse in that minimal CD produced every couple days in the Tumbleweed setup? You get a more recent set of tools, that should still be able to manage your older install, you get regular bug fixes, you have a more modern kernel, thus unlike with an older release, you do not lose hardware support.
A more modern kernel and tools is a problem in a rescue system. They should be the same version as on the system been rescued. Why? Example: you could format a filesystem with features that Leap would not understand.
People: please stop ASKING for stuff to be done FOR you: STEP up and DO the stuff - asking is easy and volunteering other people's time as well.
Ok. Would you volunteer to train us on how to do it? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Fri, 2015-11-06 at 15:50 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
People: please stop ASKING for stuff to be done FOR you: STEP up and DO the stuff - asking is easy and volunteering other people's time as well.
Ok. Would you volunteer to train us on how to do it?
I'd offered to help out and train in the past - my offer still stands, for things which I know how to do - for others I can try to bring you in contact with other people doing similar things or having the knowledge. Cheers, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 15:50:55 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
People: please stop ASKING for stuff to be done FOR you: STEP up and DO the stuff - asking is easy and volunteering other people's time as well.
Ok. Would you volunteer to train us on how to do it?
I got an e-mail today that the Leap 42.1 templates are available on SUSE Studio now. Live media or a custom rescue system would seem to be a no- brainer using that tool. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-06 17:20, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 15:50:55 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
People: please stop ASKING for stuff to be done FOR you: STEP up and DO the stuff - asking is easy and volunteering other people's time as well.
Ok. Would you volunteer to train us on how to do it?
I got an e-mail today that the Leap 42.1 templates are available on SUSE Studio now. Live media or a custom rescue system would seem to be a no- brainer using that tool.
It would take me months for me to find out how to do it. For starters, I do not see an XFCE template for Leap, so I can't even start. I'll have to wait till somebody creates one, suitable for burning on a usb stick, and using it there without installation, including persistent filesystem. Once I find that already done, I might do further adjustments if necessary. Sorry, this may be a nobrainer for people that already have done something similar, but not for one like me that never has. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2015-11-06 17:20, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 15:50:55 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
People: please stop ASKING for stuff to be done FOR you: STEP up and DO the stuff - asking is easy and volunteering other people's time as well.
Ok. Would you volunteer to train us on how to do it?
I got an e-mail today that the Leap 42.1 templates are available on SUSE Studio now. Live media or a custom rescue system would seem to be a no- brainer using that tool.
It would take me months for me to find out how to do it. For starters, I do not see an XFCE template for Leap, so I can't even start.
I'll have to wait till somebody creates one, suitable for burning on a usb stick, and using it there without installation, including persistent filesystem. Once I find that already done, I might do further adjustments if necessary.
Sorry, this may be a nobrainer for people that already have done something similar, but not for one like me that never has.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Go to SuSE Studio and start by trying to make a working product. That's how everyone else has done it. Saying you can't doesn't cut it. Steven -- ____________ Apply appropriate technology. Use what works without prejudice. Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 Owner Flex-1500 and Flex-3000 Flex-6300, FT-857D, FT-817ND openSUSE Linux 13.1 KDE, Tumbleweed KDE with Packman Known as FlameBait and The Sock Puppet of Doom. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-07 05:13, Steven Hess wrote:
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
Go to SuSE Studio and start by trying to make a working product. That's how everyone else has done it.
I have. It is a nightmare. Apparently I have to go on a "system" software group that has more than 7000 thousand items, and select one by one what I may need. It appears that some may be obsolete, as one I added is complaining that it needs sax2! Going over that huge list alone will take hours, split over several days probably. Now I want to start again by another route, and I don't see a button to startover. managed, somehow. I see patterns named "patterns-openSUSE-rest_cd_gnome" and similar, but not one for XFCE. Clicking on a pattern displays a verym short description, but no list of contents. How is one to know what any pattern does, exactly? If the current XFCE Rescue CD pattern for TW or 13.2 was posted to that site, so that one could import it, then upgrade for Leap somehow, that would be different. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2015-11-07 05:13, Steven Hess wrote:
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
Go to SuSE Studio and start by trying to make a working product. That's how everyone else has done it.
I have. It is a nightmare.
Apparently I have to go on a "system" software group that has more than 7000 thousand items, and select one by one what I may need. It appears that some may be obsolete, as one I added is complaining that it needs sax2!
Going over that huge list alone will take hours, split over several days probably.
Now I want to start again by another route, and I don't see a button to startover. managed, somehow.
I'm not expert at this but maybe this will help. Note I have used SuSE Studio before. You have to delete the current appliance, then create a new one. Not that big a deal. To delete one, after you log in click on home at the top. Then find the appliance on the left of the home page and click the x. You create a new appliance from the home page as well.
I see patterns named "patterns-openSUSE-rest_cd_gnome" and similar, but not one for XFCE.
I created a JeOS appliance, then went to the software tab scrolled down and clicked "All Available Software --> All Patterns" I see patterns-openSUSE-xfce (among lots of others)
Clicking on a pattern displays a verym short description, but no list of contents. How is one to know what any pattern does, exactly?
Create a JeOS appliance as a base. Then go to the software tab and search for patterns you can add. If you add "patterns-openSUSE-xfce" it will show on the left side of the window: ==== Software changes Added patterns-openSUSE-xfce Added 168 package, totaling 168.8 MB View details… ==== If you click View details it will show you what the 168 packages are. Further it gives you the ability to ban any of them you don't want even though they are in the pattern. SuSE Studio is a very cool tool, but it is a little hard to figure out at times. Greg
If the current XFCE Rescue CD pattern for TW or 13.2 was posted to that site, so that one could import it, then upgrade for Leap somehow, that would be different.
I don't know what packages are on the Rescue CD, but can you boot the one for 13.2 and export an AutoYAST list. You can import that into SuSE Studio as I understand it. (I've never done it and have no idea how easy/hard it is to do.)
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/08/2015 10:42 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2015-11-07 05:13, Steven Hess wrote:
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote: Go to SuSE Studio and start by trying to make a working product. That's how everyone else has done it. I have. It is a nightmare.
Apparently I have to go on a "system" software group that has more than 7000 thousand items, and select one by one what I may need. It appears that some may be obsolete, as one I added is complaining that it needs sax2!
Going over that huge list alone will take hours, split over several days probably.
Now I want to start again by another route, and I don't see a button to startover. managed, somehow. I'm not expert at this but maybe this will help. Note I have used SuSE Studio before.
You have to delete the current appliance, then create a new one. Not that big a deal.
To delete one, after you log in click on home at the top. Then find the appliance on the left of the home page and click the x.
You create a new appliance from the home page as well.
I see patterns named "patterns-openSUSE-rest_cd_gnome" and similar, but not one for XFCE. I created a JeOS appliance, then went to the software tab scrolled down and clicked "All Available Software --> All Patterns"
I see patterns-openSUSE-xfce (among lots of others)
Clicking on a pattern displays a verym short description, but no list of contents. How is one to know what any pattern does, exactly?
Create a JeOS appliance as a base.
Then go to the software tab and search for patterns you can add.
If you add "patterns-openSUSE-xfce" it will show on the left side of the window:
==== Software changes
Added patterns-openSUSE-xfce Added 168 package, totaling 168.8 MB View details… ====
If you click View details it will show you what the 168 packages are. Further it gives you the ability to ban any of them you don't want even though they are in the pattern.
SuSE Studio is a very cool tool, but it is a little hard to figure out at times.
Greg
If the current XFCE Rescue CD pattern for TW or 13.2 was posted to that site, so that one could import it, then upgrade for Leap somehow, that would be different. I don't know what packages are on the Rescue CD, but can you boot the one for 13.2 and export an AutoYAST list. You can import that into SuSE Studio as I understand it. (I've never done it and have no idea how easy/hard it is to do.)
-- Cheers / Saludos, Greg From my enlightenment experience the one other thing you probably want to do is edit /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager to point to lightdm or something other then xdm
Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/08/2015 01:12 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
Now I want to start again by another route, and I don't see a button to startover. managed, somehow.
I'm not expert at this but maybe this will help. Note I have used SuSE Studio before.
You have to delete the current appliance, then create a new one. Not that big a deal.
To delete one, after you log in click on home at the top. Then find the appliance on the left of the home page and click the x.
Yes, that's what I did, I think.
I see patterns named "patterns-openSUSE-rest_cd_gnome" and similar, but not one for XFCE.
I created a JeOS appliance, then went to the software tab scrolled down and clicked "All Available Software --> All Patterns"
I see patterns-openSUSE-xfce (among lots of others)
Yes, that's what I tried. But there is a huge lot of things to add, and some conflict with others. It seems simpler to start with the gnome appliance, then delete the gnome patterns and add the xfce patterns.
Clicking on a pattern displays a verym short description, but no list of contents. How is one to know what any pattern does, exactly?
Create a JeOS appliance as a base.
Then go to the software tab and search for patterns you can add.
If you add "patterns-openSUSE-xfce" it will show on the left side of the window:
==== Software changes
Added patterns-openSUSE-xfce Added 168 package, totaling 168.8 MB View details… ====
If you click View details it will show you what the 168 packages are. Further it gives you the ability to ban any of them you don't want even though they are in the pattern.
Wow.
SuSE Studio is a very cool tool, but it is a little hard to figure out at times.
You can say that, certainly...
If the current XFCE Rescue CD pattern for TW or 13.2 was posted to that site, so that one could import it, then upgrade for Leap somehow, that would be different.
I don't know what packages are on the Rescue CD, but can you boot the one for 13.2 and export an AutoYAST list. You can import that into SuSE Studio as I understand it. (I've never done it and have no idea how easy/hard it is to do.)
I was thinking of doing that some hours ago, provided that it does have autoyast. But it would be easier if the people that create the one for tumbleweed wrote here or somewhere how to do it for Leap. Easier to share information that have to start from scratch! :-/ -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/07/2015 02:43 PM, Steven Hess wrote:
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2015-11-06 17:20, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 15:50:55 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
People: please stop ASKING for stuff to be done FOR you: STEP up and DO the stuff - asking is easy and volunteering other people's time as well. Ok. Would you volunteer to train us on how to do it? I got an e-mail today that the Leap 42.1 templates are available on SUSE Studio now. Live media or a custom rescue system would seem to be a no- brainer using that tool. It would take me months for me to find out how to do it. For starters, I do not see an XFCE template for Leap, so I can't even start.
I'll have to wait till somebody creates one, suitable for burning on a usb stick, and using it there without installation, including persistent filesystem. Once I find that already done, I might do further adjustments if necessary.
Sorry, this may be a nobrainer for people that already have done something similar, but not for one like me that never has.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Go to SuSE Studio and start by trying to make a working product. That's how everyone else has done it.
Saying you can't doesn't cut it.
Steven Hi Carlos,
If your looking for a starting point try https://susestudio.com/a/buxktg/simon-s-opensuse-42-1-enlightenment-64-bit which is a working enlightenment 42.1 live image, you would just have to modify the package list to include xfce and maybe remove some unnecessary stuff, you probably don't need libreoffice, digikam or krita for a rescue image. If you give me a list of packages you would expect on the rescue image I will make sure there added. I plan to turn this into a lightish weight DE image with enlightenment, LXQt and maybe 1 or 2 others if requested. I plan to do two variants one with a minimal set of extra software and one with a number of useful desktop apps (Like the ones in the current image). Oneday into the future if I have time maybe i'll try and integrate it into the full openSUSE build and packaging system mostly because I'd like to start running openQA over enlightenment some time. Cheers Simon openSUSE Enlightenment maintainer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 05:06:28 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-11-06 17:20, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 15:50:55 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
People: please stop ASKING for stuff to be done FOR you: STEP up and DO the stuff - asking is easy and volunteering other people's time as well.
Ok. Would you volunteer to train us on how to do it?
I got an e-mail today that the Leap 42.1 templates are available on SUSE Studio now. Live media or a custom rescue system would seem to be a no- brainer using that tool.
It would take me months for me to find out how to do it. For starters, I do not see an XFCE template for Leap, so I can't even start.
I'll have to wait till somebody creates one, suitable for burning on a usb stick, and using it there without installation, including persistent filesystem. Once I find that already done, I might do further adjustments if necessary.
Sorry, this may be a nobrainer for people that already have done something similar, but not for one like me that never has.
How about instead of saying "I can't figure out how to use SUSE Studio", maybe give it a try? It's *really* easy to use, and you're a smart guy, Carlos. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/08/2015 12:14 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
How about instead of saying "I can't figure out how to use SUSE Studio", maybe give it a try? It's *really* easy to use, and you're a smart guy, Carlos.
Haven't you figured out from my posts that I already did that, and that I'm having problems? -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 08 Nov 2015 03:19:06 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 11/08/2015 12:14 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
How about instead of saying "I can't figure out how to use SUSE Studio", maybe give it a try? It's *really* easy to use, and you're a smart guy, Carlos.
Haven't you figured out from my posts that I already did that, and that I'm having problems?
I have now, yes. You seem to want to install a pattern and then can't figure out what to remove from the pattern, and griped that you didn't have time to go through the millions (OK, I'm exaggerating now) of packages to figure out what you wanted and what you didn't. Instead, start with the components you want and add them - SUSE Studio will very helpfully resolve the dependencies for you. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 08.11.2015 um 20:08 schrieb Jim Henderson:
Instead, start with the components you want and add them - SUSE Studio will very helpfully resolve the dependencies for you.
Well, no. It won't. Or our patterns are stupid. I selected many xfce patterns, but still got no X server and no displaymanager. Apparently, SUSE Studio is ignoring "Recommends" (which is in itself a good thing, but then the patterns need to "Require" more stuff). -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/08/2015 09:44 PM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 08.11.2015 um 20:08 schrieb Jim Henderson:
Instead, start with the components you want and add them - SUSE Studio will very helpfully resolve the dependencies for you.
Well, no. It won't. Or our patterns are stupid.
I selected many xfce patterns, but still got no X server and no displaymanager. Apparently, SUSE Studio is ignoring "Recommends" (which is in itself a good thing, but then the patterns need to "Require" more stuff).
That is so. For instance, I install "something-lang". Normally, this should also automatically select "something", but most often it does not. Obviously, having the lang package (translations) without the code is useless. So I have to tick both, manually. I'm going over a list of... what, 1200 rpms? and selecting them one by one on my appliance (is that the name?). I'm now at 1000 left. And yes, selecting XFCE does not install X. It seems to be better to select "Gnome", then remove it and add xfce. -- Cheers/Saludos Carlos E. R. (openSUSE Leap 42.1, test at Minas-Anor) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 08 Nov 2015 21:44:03 +0100, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 08.11.2015 um 20:08 schrieb Jim Henderson:
Instead, start with the components you want and add them - SUSE Studio will very helpfully resolve the dependencies for you.
Well, no. It won't. Or our patterns are stupid.
I selected many xfce patterns, but still got no X server and no displaymanager. Apparently, SUSE Studio is ignoring "Recommends" (which is in itself a good thing, but then the patterns need to "Require" more stuff).
Strange, I've never had a problem with doing it that way. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 07.11.2015 um 05:06 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2015-11-06 17:20, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 15:50:55 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
People: please stop ASKING for stuff to be done FOR you: STEP up and DO the stuff - asking is easy and volunteering other people's time as well.
Ok. Would you volunteer to train us on how to do it?
I got an e-mail today that the Leap 42.1 templates are available on SUSE Studio now. Live media or a custom rescue system would seem to be a no- brainer using that tool.
It would take me months for me to find out how to do it. For starters, I do not see an XFCE template for Leap, so I can't even start.
Use this as a start: https://susestudio.com/a/FbgqND/stefan-s-leap-42-1-rescue-system It's a naked XFCE system with those "rescue tools" I could think of, means: gpart, gparted and all the filesystem-tools. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-08 09:06, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Use this as a start: https://susestudio.com/a/FbgqND/stefan-s-leap-42-1-rescue-system
It's a naked XFCE system with those "rescue tools" I could think of, means: gpart, gparted and all the filesystem-tools.
Thanks! I'll try. :-))) I'm clicking on "clone it" in order to have a look. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2015-11-08 11:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-11-08 09:06, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Thanks! I'll try. :-)))
I'm clicking on "clone it" in order to have a look.
What about this? Messages Warning: Your appliance includes an X server (xorg-x11-server) but not the sax2 package. The sax2 tool is used to create the X server configuration during the first boot. Add sax2 :-?? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Am 08.11.2015 um 11:14 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2015-11-08 11:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-11-08 09:06, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Thanks! I'll try. :-)))
I'm clicking on "clone it" in order to have a look.
What about this?
Messages
Warning: Your appliance includes an X server (xorg-x11-server) but not the sax2 package. The sax2 tool is used to create the X server configuration during the first boot.
Add sax2
Well, there is no sax2, so just ignore that message as I did. We (as "we subscribed to openSUSE Factory") all know that since a few years, X server does no longer need a fixed configuration and thus no sax2. SUSE Studio is an Enterprise product and as such, by definition, always several years behind the current technology. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/08/2015 09:16 PM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 08.11.2015 um 11:14 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2015-11-08 11:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-11-08 09:06, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Thanks! I'll try. :-)))
I'm clicking on "clone it" in order to have a look.
What about this?
Messages
Warning: Your appliance includes an X server (xorg-x11-server) but not the sax2 package. The sax2 tool is used to create the X server configuration during the first boot.
Add sax2 Well, there is no sax2, so just ignore that message as I did. We (as "we subscribed to openSUSE Factory") all know that since a few years, X server does no longer need a fixed configuration and thus no sax2.
SUSE Studio is an Enterprise product and as such, by definition, always several years behind the current technology. When I hit this adding sax3 at least got rid of the warning, whether I actually need sax3 I do not know.
Cheers Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-08 11:48, Simon Lees wrote:
Add sax2
Well, there is no sax2, so just ignore that message as I did. We (as "we subscribed to openSUSE Factory") all know that since a few years, X server does no longer need a fixed configuration and thus no sax2.
SUSE Studio is an Enterprise product and as such, by definition, always several years behind the current technology.
Yes, but when I selected the gnome pattern I did not get this message. I think it comes from using an obsolete X11 pattern somewhere.
When I hit this adding sax3 at least got rid of the warning, whether I actually need sax3 I do not know.
No, you don't; sax3 is not fully functional, anyway. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
2015.11.08 13:36, Carlos E. R. rašė:
No, you don't; sax3 is not fully functional, anyway. SAX3 is not so bad, but some polishing needed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-11-08 12:38, opensuse.lietuviu.kalba wrote:
2015.11.08 13:36, Carlos E. R. rašė:
No, you don't; sax3 is not fully functional, anyway. SAX3 is not so bad, but some polishing needed.
And adding it certainly clears out the warning. I added mc, alpine, pinfo, pin. Trying to remove plymouth. [...] This thing is slow to respond... [...] Ok, found another way to do it: in the list of things in blue, hover with mouse displays an 'x' to the right, and clicking on it removes the package. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2015-11-08 12:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-11-08 12:38, opensuse.lietuviu.kalba wrote:
2015.11.08 13:36, Carlos E. R. rašė:
No, you don't; sax3 is not fully functional, anyway. SAX3 is not so bad, but some polishing needed.
And adding it certainly clears out the warning.
I added mc, alpine, pinfo, pin. Trying to remove plymouth. [...] This thing is slow to respond... [...] Ok, found another way to do it: in the list of things in blue, hover with mouse displays an 'x' to the right, and clicking on it removes the package.
This is the list of packages in the 13.1 rescue image. Maybe with extras installed by me: http://susepaste.org/80752739 I will try to compare the list with what I already have in susestudio. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2015-11-08 13:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-11-08 12:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is the list of packages in the 13.1 rescue image. Maybe with extras installed by me:
I will try to compare the list with what I already have in susestudio.
Running the 13.1 rescue image, I get this: linux:~ # zypper patterns --installed-only Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Name | Version | Repository | Dependency --+---------------+-------------+-------------------+----------- i | base | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | base | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | enhanced_base | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | enhanced_base | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | fonts | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | fonts | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | sw_management | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | sw_management | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | x11 | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | x11 | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | xfce_basis | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | i | xfce_basis | 13.1-13.6.1 | openSUSE-13.1-Oss | linux:~ # Then the rest was added outside of patterns. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2015-11-08 13:15, Carlos E. R. wrote:
This is the list of packages in the 13.1 rescue image. Maybe with extras installed by me:
I will try to compare the list with what I already have in susestudio.
I am at about 900 left. This studio thing hangs. Sometimes I search for a package and there is no response, timeout. Have to click again. Other times I get a huge error banner in red at the left panel, some internal error. It may take weeks only to type and enter all the needed packages... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 05/11/15 23:53, Yamaban wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:34, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@...> wrote:
On 2015-11-04 17:29, Richard Brown wrote:
Have a lot of fun, and get thinking about how we can make Leap 42.2 even better :)
Good!
But I just noticed that there are no "Live" versions, when the question popped out in another list. Me, I'm interested in the "Rescue" stick, I use it a lot.
Will they appear later?
IMHO, lets wait for, say 2 to 4 weeks, integrate all until then accumulated patches, and then build a "Rescue" and "Live" media.
That way we do not expose a unready / only partial useable version to the broad public.
AFAIKT, such media are available a loooong time, and are very seldom refreshed and rebuild during this time. Lets not expose such media to early in this time caught bugs, as esp. for the "Rescue" media that would be a desaster.
The change of the base (until 13.2 pure OSS and Leap has SLE base) escalates this. Lets be extra careful, yes?
By the way, good work on Leap. Despite the niggle with nouveau in initrd (my workaround was 1. make sure that nouveau is not blacklisted / aliased to false 2. add the kernelmodules to the dracut conf [nouveau, drm_kms_helper] 3. rebuild initrd )
Hold on, hold on there. Are you saying that I have installed Leap but it has a problem with nouveau and I now have to introduce and rebuild workarounds to get Leap to work as it is supposed to work?! OK, I'll stop here and go to bed...
It was a good installation experience
"It was a good installation experience"?! Ah, sorry I did say that was going to bed. Goodnight all... BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Greg Freemyer -
Jim Henderson -
Johannes Meixner -
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Marcus Meissner -
opensuse.lietuviu.kalba -
Richard Brown -
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Stefan Seyfried -
Steven Hess -
Yamaban