September 2011 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] talk at or visit Linux Open Administration Days
by Jos Poortvliet 12 Apr '12

12 Apr '12

Hi all, April 16-17 in Antwerp, Belgium, the Linux Open Administration Days will take place. This free event offers a chance for LPI certification as well as meeting and talking to linux sysadmins. There is a call for presentations here: http://www.loadays.org/content/call-presentations If you want to go and give a talk there about openSUSE tech - that's be awesome. If you can't afford to go there due to travel or hotel costs, let me know, we might be able to work something out ;-) cheers, Jos

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[opensuse-project] ANNOUNCE: I call it a beta
by Stephan Kulow 05 Oct '11

05 Oct '11

Hi, We had a short go/no-go meeting on #opensuse-factory and decided that the fuser problem may be the cause of all evil and now that it's gone, we can go forward and release beta1. We even managed to get most of the artwork updated in the days slippage. If you come around it, I will upload build315 to the mirrors tomorrow morning. When to announce publically I leave to the marketing guys, I'll be mainly off the internet till tuesday as monday is public holiday for me and I'm told publishing news on friday is bad - but I'll make sure the ISOs are available for interested testers. I hope that's ok for the team. Now the interesting question is what about the RC1. We didn't really loose time in development as we checked in almost everything that came in during the time we waited for the fixes - this includes e.g. kernel 3.1rc7. But we can't hold the schedule as it is - the original deadline for RC1 checkins is october 7th - that's around 4 days after public announcment of the beta and even before the pizza party. With the new factory work flow we have some more flexibility in terms of checkin deadlines, so let's make use of that. My proposal would be: Move RC1 from October 13th to 21st for release date - checkin deadline would be 18th. Move RC2 from October 27th to November 3th - checkin deadline would be October 28th (November 1st and the monday in front are blackout in Nuremberg and we rely too much on Nuremberg to move the date where it's perfect ;( ) Move Final release from November 11th (who set that date anyway? :) to November 16th. GM would be on 11th. Note, that I don't want to move the final date too much and if we all agree to some discipline, RC2 will already be perfect and we only apply some polishing up to GM. I know that shuffles our usual weekdays for release a bit and I'm pretty sure I made some mistakes in my proposal, so please feel free to give ideas of yours. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Weekly News 195 coming soon...
by Sascha Manns 29 Sep '11

29 Sep '11

Hello Mates, don't worry about this mail. I just would like to remind that our next openSUSE Weekly News 195 comes out at Saturday evening (UTC +2). Until Saturday 08:00:00 (CEST) +0200 UTC you can propose Articles, Links and all such stuff for integrating into the Weekly News. For people who don't want to write it in XML, you can use our Pad: http://os-news.ietherpad.com/2. I've planned to send this Mail each Wednesday to remind on the Weekly News. Have a lot of fun :-) -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns http://saigkill.homelinux.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Link exchange
by Paul McMillan 28 Sep '11

28 Sep '11

Dear Webmaster As we found your website http://en.opensuse.org and saw that it meets our terms of use, we were interested in adding it to our webpage directory in English. This directory http://www.web-ref.org/ is free and will have your website gain popularity and traffic, since it is visited by 20 thousand people monthly. If you agree, please answer this email with the word Yes and we will include you. Paul McMillan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [RFC] - Attempt to build open SLES-based distro
by Michael Kromer 27 Sep '11

27 Sep '11

Hello community, this mail is the result of years of continuous development in my (corporate and private) environment as engineer favoring SUSE, and I kindly invite anyone to send thoughts, comments and ideas regarding this mail. I see this topic "as in progress" and if there aren't any ultimately bad reasons why not to do so, I will continue and support this as long as I can. - Disclaimer: This is all IMHO ;) - My idea is to build a SLES binary-compatible distribution completely supported by the community (and optionally supported by companies which are willing to do so) - most of you will probably see lots of similarities with CentOS in this way - And in fact: This is exactly what I intend it to be. Why? - SLES is one of two key players in the major distribution league. RH has CentOS, and whereever you see "respins" like for appliances, they use CentOS (or maybe some debian/ubuntu/knoppix-stuff) - no SUSE. Examples: Trixbox, ESVA, and _lots_ of projects in which I've been involved in development however its not officially communicated as CentOS. - SUSE is the best Distro in terms of packaging and distribution technology (OBS), has a huge community-base and uses technology which IMHO is unmatched for various reasons such as KIWI (thx to Marcus Schaefer ;)). - openSUSE is a "moving target" in terms of its faster release cycle and it in fact is a problem that older releases disappear from the mirrors pretty soon. (I would not change anything here) - But: This doesn't really allow you a "LTS"-like behaviour if things change so fast. - SUSE has a great community of highly motivated and skilled guys (and gals) ;) - lots of developments in openSUSE find their way right into SLES, approved and tested by SUSE engineers. What I can and will provide: - I'm just building up a rack to provide various build nodes. Target arch's include: x86, x86_64, sparc64, ia64, ppc64. Most of the parts are already available, but since I'm currently moving and I need to get a stable permanent internet connection this could take up to 2 months. So this enables us right from scratch to set up a parallel OBS for the intial build setup. Official OBS could always be used as soon as we have reached a "staging" level where we can provide a base set of packages. - I will provide anyone with an account and try to build a full "infrastructure" which then should also should get the transition to "community-controlled" behaviour. For all (eventually) upcoming questions: - Yes, I do know about openSUSE Evergreen, but it lacks some points I've mentioned above like "Enterprise Features", 1-on-1-("binary")compatibility with SLES and the great quality work by SUSE to get SLES certified by OEM's etc. - and no one really points its OBS tree to build against Evergreen, it points it to major channels like SLES11, SLES11SP1, oS11.4, etc. - No, I do not want to work "against" SUSE or anything like that. The complete opposite is the case: Without SUSE this would not work well. In fact I really think SUSE also can profit from a community base around the SLES packages. Take a look at CentOS - Does it really hurt RHEL? I don't think so, at least not to a major extent. Lets get the facts straight: If you are in a corporate environment you _will_ (or at least you _should_) buy a SLES. Reasons: Support, Updates, Faster upstream process, tracking, direct contact, etc. But: If you want to build a steady home system which you do not want to upgrade less than every year in a major way or you might want to build a distro fork for special purpose (like for system integrators, etc.) you (probably) wouldn't want to go with the fully blown SLES. - Yes, I see this as lots of work. Please let me know if you are willing to help. ;) Can't await reading your comments. Cheers, - mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Growing some openSUSE ARMs
by Andrew Wafaa 27 Sep '11

27 Sep '11

Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought it worth the extra noise ;-) One of the things that came out of the recent Geeko Love-In for me was a new project to immerse myself in within openSUSE. Yeah I know, we have enough existing projects already so why create a new one? Simples! Believe it or not but openSUSE is behind the curve in a specific segment, and that segment has yet to explode to its full potential. That segment is ARM. No I'm not talking about your upper body appendages, but the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees. Didn't openSUSE do something about this a while ago? Yes we did. Unfortunately the effort seems to have bitrotted somewhat, there were numerous reasons and I don't even prophesise to know the all either. As such I'm going to try and kickstart things, and see it through and hopefully see it grow. As I mentioned, this idea came up at the conference when I was talking to numerous people (I forget how it all started, but that doesn't really matter). There was an overwhelmingly positive view on the matter, and that for me was all that counts. Now let me be crystal clear here, *THIS WILL NOT BE A ONE MAN SHOW!!* I mentioned previously that my view is that we as a community are pretty lazy at times with getting our hands dirty. As such if you think things are going slow or not going in the direction you would like, don't moan. Get your hands dirty and help make a difference. The process will not be an easy one either, so don't expect a port to magically appear over night. If we're lucky we might be able to have a working port in 6 months. Maybe longer, maybe shorter; ultimately that lies with us as a community. Stage one has begun already thanks to Adrian Schroeter, Alex Graf and Dirk Mueller. Stage one comprises of getting the boot strap process to work. At a cursory level this means getting the packages required for setting up a build chroot environment and for building these packages on the target ARM architecture. This will possibly take a fair amount of time, and no I won't give any timelines for this - how long is a piece of string? openSUSE has a couple of advantages here, 1) we have the OBS which can cross build and if need be cross compile packages for numerous architectures (ARM included) so we are going to make a start with that; 2) SUSE are going to be doing another HackWeek (I think it is next week) which means Adrian, Alex, Dirk and anyone else that has knowledge, experience or interest can join in the fun and pain almost full time for a week - let's not kid ourselves here there is a high probability for lots of pain, but also fun ;-) Thing is HackWeek is not just for SUSE staff, it is also for the community. You can join in and spend some quality time on the project with those that know a whole heap of stuff, and learn from them and maybe even teach them something too. We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be in it to win it ;-) So I'm basically just giving you all a heads up on this effort, and will update you as regularly as possible (I'm hoping to do something weekly maybe). In the meantime, if you're interested join #opensuse-arm on Freenode and the opensuse-arm mailing list. *DO NOT HARRASS* for updates, if there is something to say it will be said. If you've got a question, ask and *WAIT* for an answer. If you want to help out but want to know how ask and *WAIT* for an answer. I will try and get something on the wiki soon, with a todo list etc. Thanks and here's to getting our Geeko some ARMs. Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Lilypond won't work with guile 2.0, What can I do to prevent it being dropped? Do we really want guile 2.0 yet?
by Dave Plater 26 Sep '11

26 Sep '11

OpenSUSE has jumped way ahead of all the other major distributions by pushing guile-2.0 to factory, this may cause problems for packages such as gnucash if it uses guile to the extent that lilypond does. Lilypond uses guile extensively and are working on porting lily to guile 2.0 but this is their timeline quoted from one of my emails from Graham Percival to the devel list please note that lilypond 2.16.0 may not be released before openSUSE 12.1 and I'm working on 2.14.2 atm the current release : There is absolutely zero chance of lilypond 2.16 using guile 2.0. There is maybe a 10% chance that any version of lilypond will support guile 2.0 in 2011. Total guesswork for future predictions: 50% chance of supporting guile 2.0 before July 2012, 80% chance of support guile 2.0 before the end of 2012. What that means for opensuse is up to you. If you particularly want guile 2.0, then by all means jump in; the more people working on it, the higher the chances are that it'll get done sooner. But based on the amount of work that currently goes into guile 2.0, those are my estimates. Cheers, - Graham and I think this is also relevant, another lily developers reply from the same message: Given that the upcoming ubuntu oneiric apparently does not include guile 2.0, I also don't see a switch to guile 2.0 in the near future. I suppose that we should ask the ubuntu people when they'll finally package guile 2.0. Cheers, Reinhold I've looked at parallel installation of guile 1.8.8 (we jumped from 1.8.7 to 2.0.1) and it doesn't look easy otherwise I would have submitted guile1 but I'm still working on it although I'm not that familiar with the autoconf/automake build system at this level. What this means for openSUSE, lilypond is a very popular musical notation type setting program, the developers pride themselves in the accuracy of the notation positions, it is also used, for musical notation by rosegarden, a popular music and midi composition program. Both of these applications have no substitutes in the open source world and only have costly equivalents in the ms windows world, neither being available for ms windows although there are requests to port for both this won't happen in the immediate future. Rosegarden can work without lilypond as it is only bound to lilyponds notation fonts but the sheet music it exports will be useless so it will lose major functionality. Lilypond won't even be able to be installed via tarball on openSUSE 12.1 without the user removing guile 2.0 completely and installing guile 1.8 via tarball, as a result these users of lilypond and rosegarden will drop openSUSE. I started as a community maintainer by saving both lilypond and rosegarden from being dropped, I'm now very active in maintaining multimedia apps and libs and losing these programs will mean losing a large section of professionals in music related professions that have migrated from the windows world including the people that I've converted from ms windows just by showing them rosegarden although ms's change from xp to vista also helped. For the other packages that directly depend on guile : guile aisleriot gnucash autogen and slib, the change back to guile-1.8.8 won't AFAICS have any negative effects, all of these packages simply have patches for guile 2.0 and after looking at the patches, will most probably build with the patches still in place. I don't know what the situation is with guile users but it is an app for use by apps and not a direct users app. Guile-1.8.7 builds for factory, guile-1.8.7 doesn't build for 11.4. What are we going to do? Drop lilypond, I will keep it alive in home:plater:lilypond with guile-1.8.8 to replace guile-2.0.2 or revert to guile-1.8.8 in line with the other linux distributions? Thanks Dave Plater -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Call for article submissions for news.o.o
by Bryen M. Yunashko 26 Sep '11

26 Sep '11

At the recent 12.1 Marketing hackfest, we devised an editorial schedule and folks have begun writing articles for promoting 12.1. However, some of these articles haven't been submitted yet. We suggest that in order to minimize confusion and reduce excessive pinging, you create an ietherpad with your article and link to it in the editorial schedule at http://ietherpad.com/sked or send your article directly to news(a)opensuse.org. Using a pad such as ietherpad or piratepad has proven to be such a valuable tool for crowdsourcing an article and getting it really spiffed up. Submitting your article links will enable us to ensure the articles are published in a timely manner and also allows the news team to be able to review and polish (not change!) the article itself ahead of time so that it becomes publishable. And while I'm at it, I'll use this opportunity to invite anyone who thinks they have an article in mind to go ahead and start writing it. There's still plenty of topics in our schedule that don't have an assigned writer yet. And as I tell people often, don't worry about your writing skills. Just write! Braindump it! Our news team is dedicated to being there to help polish and make it presentable for you. And wherever possible, we'll make sure that a subject matter expert also reviews the article for accuracy. Our stories do get picked up by other news media outlets and this is a chance to make you shine with a byline! Thanks, Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE News Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-arm] Growing some openSUSE ARMs
by Joop Boonen 23 Sep '11

23 Sep '11

On Fri, September 23, 2011 9:16 pm, Jan-Simon Möller wrote: > <snip> > Well cool - why did it take us ~ 1.5 years to notice ;) . > I just dropped factory pack then as it is too much for just one penguin. >> > 2) SUSE are going to be doing another HackWeek (I think it is next >> week) >> > which means Adrian, Alex, Dirk and anyone else that has knowledge, experience or interest can join in the fun and pain almost full time >> for >> > a week - let's not kid ourselves here there is a high probability for lots of pain, but also fun ;-) Thing is HackWeek is not just for SUSE staff, it is also for the community. You can join in and spend some quality time on the project with those that know a whole heap of >> stuff, >> > and learn from them and maybe even teach them something too. >> > We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means >> > CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when >> > it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to >> be >> > in it to win it ;-) >> > So I'm basically just giving you all a heads up on this effort, and >> will >> > update you as regularly as possible (I'm hoping to do something weekly >> > maybe). In the meantime, if you're interested join #opensuse-arm on Freenode and the opensuse-arm mailing list. *DO NOT HARRASS* for updates, if there is something to say it will be said. If you've got a >> > question, ask and *WAIT* for an answer. If you want to help out but >> want >> > to know how ask and *WAIT* for an answer. I will try and get something >> > on the wiki soon, with a todo list etc. >> I think we should get people like Jan-Simon Möller on board as he started >> the first openSuSE ARM build in 2009 and also the ARM build in OBS. I think it'll kick-start the ARM port. >> > Thanks and here's to getting our Geeko some ARMs. > So let get a crew together - we have the knowledge and the tools. I'm willing to do my part on the weekends and continue what I did back then. > Time to wipe android from the transformer ?! ;) That'll be one mean machine. (Certainly the upcoming Transformer 2 (TF201 ?) with the Tegra Kal El) I have looked into the Tegra2. I've read this story in connection with hardfp. http://www.slashgear.com/meego-tegra-2-drivers-could-end-android-monopoly-o… http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/07/nvidia-meego-battle-ground/ This looks quite promising. I don't know when these drivers will be available I couldn't find any information yet. > Best, > Jan-Simon Just some information as people are looking into hardware. The trimslice might also be an option as you'll get 45% off as a developer, I don't know if it's still valid. http://trimslice.com/web/dev-kit IMHO the advantage it that there are a lot of Tegra devices Tablets etc. The disadvantage is IMHO that the driver is closed source. I don't know if the nouveau project could change this? Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Conference 2011 survey
by Andreas Jaeger 23 Sep '11

23 Sep '11

If you participated in the openSUSE and Labs conference 2011, please read on: We have created a short survey about the conference and would like you to use it to give us feedback: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HD3QDDH If you're a speaker, please upload your slides as part of your abstract. Use the following URL: http://conference.opensuse.org/indico//myconference.py?confId=2 If you have attended a BOF or workshop, you can also add your notes to the wiki. To have them show up at http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Conference under "Session Notes", just add as wiki markup: [[Category:Osc11_session_notes]] . Thanks for your feedback, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-arm] Re: [opensuse-factory] Growing some openSUSE ARMs
by Joop Boonen 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

On Thu, September 22, 2011 4:42 pm, Markus Slopianka wrote: > On Donnerstag 22 September 2011 16:05:44 Andrew Wafaa wrote: > >> the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees. > > The openSUSE member who were allowed to vote decided that openSUSE does not want to run on > those âlittle devicesâ. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy says: >> openSUSE does not: >> (...) >> Work on Mobile or embedded devices. See also link: http://news.opensuse.org/2011/08/09/strategy-done/ <quote> The future The team noted that the strategy is of course not set in stone for eternity although we probably wont go through this process every year and asked for further feedback in the mass mailing to the membership. Some comments did indeed come in, most notably asking for the ARM port and mobile devices as well as the impact of the openSUSE Foundation. In the future, the strategy documents will surely require some revision. Once somebody in the openSUSE community steps up to do an ARM port, which is likely to attract significant help, the document will have to be revisited to reflect this, just like Tumbleweed resulted in a change. </quote> Joop -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-arm] Re: Growing some openSUSE ARMs
by Joop Boonen 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

On Thu, September 22, 2011 5:41 pm, Guillaume Gardet wrote: > > > Le 22/09/2011 16:56, Greg KH a écrit : >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:05:44PM +0100, Andrew Wafaa wrote: >>> We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be >>> in it to win it ;-) >> I know we talked about this at the openSUSE conference, and I'm glad that you are starting to kick this off, it's great. >> >> But, what specific machine are you targeting this to run on to start with? We need some kind of specific platform to aim for besides a semi-vague processor level, in order to get a valid kernel and >> tool-chain up and running. The kernel specifically is going to be a bit difficult as each individual platform needs tweaks in order to have it work properly due to the lack of discoverable busses (device-tree work notwithstanding). >> >> In other words, what box do I need to go buy in order to help make this possible? :) > > I think we need more than 1 board to check the port. I think Beagleboard, Beagleboard xM or a Pandaboard could be a nice board to develop openSUSE on ARM (in addition to qemu). > > Firstly, we have to decide what kind of ARM processor we want to support. I think we should target ARMv7 and above Application processor family (Cortex A8, A9 and above) to have enough "power" to run openSUSE. I think we will have poor performances with ARMv5 for openSUSE. > Then, we have to decide which optimization (in GCC) we want to enable. I would say : > - ARM EABI with ARMv7-a instructions > - VFP (vector floating point) > - thumb/thumb2 instructions if possible (some packages do not compile with thumb or thumb2 enabled) > - NEON (not all processor have it, maybe enable it as an option for video libraries for examples to have good performances) I think that if you look at the time that it'll take to have a stable distro, I think it would be best to focus on the Cortex A9 (hardfp etc) with or without NEON. Why start with a distro that is already based on "old" hardware. Nearly all tablets are using a Cortex A9 (mostly in the form of a Tegra 2). That has one small downside. This one doesn't have a NEON FPU at least not one that meets the full specs. What are the plans for a openSuSE ARM distro. Where should it run on? I think as a distro it would be useful to have it running on a tablet like the Asus Transformer and upcoming ARM Cortex A15 servers. > > Interesting pages: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture > > I have experiences in embedded Linux and I have a beagleboard xM, so I can help if you want. But I have no experiences in RPM packaging. I would like to take part. I have Pandaboard (OMAP4430) and Toshiba AC100 (Tegra2). > > AFAIK, someone worked on ARM port some time ago in google summer of code. It could be nice to know what have been done. > > Cheers, > > Guillaume Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [RFC] What about welcome.opensuse.org?
by Kim Leyendecker 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

Hello Geeckos! There were a discussion[1] about kicking SUSEGreeter a few months ago. And yes, it was quite quiet about it until today. My idea: creating a site called welcome.opensuse.org, instead of using SuSEgreeter. SUSEGreeter was very nice in a time where not everyone had an internet connection. In the most countries of the world, an internet connection is standard now. So, I think SUSEgreeter should be retired. There so many new technologies on the internet, so, why not using a website instead of SUSEGreeter? The idea: * Creating a website which is lightweight but still delivers a comprehensive bunch of information, which could be useful for first start. * Links to openSUSE News, openSUSE´s facebook presence and other SUSE stuff on the internet * Link to the mailinglist archive * Download links for additional CDs * link to SUSE Studio * links to the most important wiki pages I´m on the way to create a prototype of such a site and want to ask you if anyone else is interested in it? I´m working a bit with HTML && CSS in the near past and the near future, so it also would help me to get in the stuff ;-) So, I want to ask for comments and ideas about it. If there people who are interested in it, don´t be shy and join the project ;-) kind regards, Kim [1] https://features.opensuse.org/312754 -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-arm] Re: Growing some openSUSE ARMs
by Joop Boonen 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

On Thu, September 22, 2011 5:22 pm, Alexander Graf wrote: > > Am 22.09.2011 um 17:13 schrieb Pavol Rusnak <prusnak(a)opensuse.org>: > >> On 09/22/2011 04:56 PM, Greg KH wrote: >>> In other words, what box do I need to go buy in order to help make this possible? :) >> >> I think BeagleBoard (Cortex-A8) or PandaBoard (Cortex-A9) would be a good start. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeagleBoard >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard > > To kick thibgs off (and for easy development), I would target QEMU, so everyone can try it out and attach gdb when needed. > > I agree though that we need to target one particular board for real hw development, so things don't get more painful than they have to be. I'm reasonably indifferent on what we're targeting there, but it should be < 200â¬ and widely available. I think the best choice would be the snowball board of the igloo community. http://www.igloocommunity.org/ http://shop.strato.com/epages/61428605.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61428605… It'll set you back 164.00 excluding tax and postage for version with GPS/bluetooth and wifi. The reason why I think the snowball is the best choice is because it's using the ST-Ericsson Nova A9500 processor (Dual Cortex A9 + Mali 400 GPU) like the Samsung Exynos 4210 SoC. The advantage of this board over the pandaboard is that it has a OSS video driver (GPL and MIT license), while the SGX540 driver is closed source. http://www.malideveloper.com/developer-resources/drivers/open-source-mali-g… I have the the Pandaboard the problem is the current SGX drivers don't work for hardfp, which I think is the best for a openSuSE ARM distro. If it's decided to use this board I wouldn't mind ordering it together with people near me, the postage is quite high 32.56 excluding tax, to the Netherlands. I live in Limburg (SE Netherlands), near Germany and Belgium. > > Either way, for bootstrapping going with an emulated platform is probably more useful. Once we have a proper base system, let's go for the real fun and target a board. > > > Alex-- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-arm+help(a)opensuse.org > Regards, Joop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Propuesta de intercambio de links
by Jesus Martin 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

Estimado WebMaster, Al encontrar su sitio http://el.opensuse.org y ver que está dentro de nuestras normas de uso, me interesó agregarlo a nuestro directorio de páginas en español. Nuestro directorio http://www.guia-paginas.com es gratis y le dará popularidad y trafico a su sitio ya que lo visitan 20 mil personas al mes. Si está de acuerdo, responda a este email con la palabra "SI" y lo agregaremos. Saludos cordiales Jesus Martin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Seeking volunteers for the openSUSE Election Committee
by Bryen M. Yunashko 21 Sep '11

21 Sep '11

With the end of 2011 quickly approaching, the period for elections will soon be upon us. One of the key elements of the openSUSE elections is the Election Committee. Without this committee the elections simply wouldn't function. Your help is needed. Volunteer and assist the Election Committee. At the end of the year, we will have elections for three board seats. Bryen Yunashko's seat is being vacated due to term limits and Pavol Rusnak and Rupert Horstkotter' are completing their first term, thus eligible to run for a second term. All board members have a limit of two consecutive terms. Election Committee members have the following responsibilities: - Review current election eligibility rules - Create a schedule for the campaign and voting periods - Work with the Membership Team to ensure that all membership applications are processed in time for voting - Verify candidate eligibility - Make appropriate announcements regarding scheduling and voting procedures - Run the election - Ensure an effective voting mechanism - Keep the board informed on progress of election planning - Resolve any post-election issues We encourage at least one member of past board election committees to join the current team in an, at least, advisory capacity. You can read more about the election process at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election. If you'd like to join the committee, please send an email to board(a)opensuse.org. The deadline for applications to the committee is 30th September 2011. Thank you, The openSUSE Board -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Meeting Minutes: [opensuse-kde] openSUSE KDE Team Meeting - Wednesday September 21, 1400 UTC
by Raymond Wooninck 21 Sep '11

21 Sep '11

Meeting started by wstephenson at 14:07:13 UTC. The full logs are available at http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-kde/2011/opensuse- kde.2011-09-21-14.07.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * status report (wstephenson, 14:10:42) * ACTION: wstephenson investigate quickformat disk util (wstephenson, 14:16:23) * ACTION: tittiatcoke update KUA/KDF snapshot (wstephenson, 14:22:47) * ACTION: wstephenson update bluedevil to 1.2.1 (wstephenson, 14:23:34) * dropping/obsoleting empty base packages (binary pkgs with same name as src package) (wstephenson, 14:24:06) * ACTION: tittiatcoke update kdbg to 2.5.0 (tittiatcoke, 14:31:01) * ACTION: tittiatcoke create email to -packaging to validate package obsoleting/removal (tittiatcoke, 14:44:36) * misc, Q&A (wstephenson, 14:45:30) * ACTION: wstephenson arrange KUSC future meeting with dirk (wstephenson, 14:50:22) * ACTION: wstephenson investigate apper (tittiatcoke, 15:04:03) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 18:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 18:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=9&year=2011&h… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Magazine
by differentreality 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

Hi all! One of the ideas that popped up during the marketing hackfest here today was that of making an openSUSE magazine with focus on the conference proceedings and the cool stuff that happened since the last conference. The magazine would contain articles on the main highlights of the past year (Year is the time period between two conferences), interviews with key people, reviews and articles about the current conference etc. We would like to get a feedback on the idea and a few key topics that you think should be covered. Any authors who want to help with articles, please say so on the mailing list as we need more people to work on the articles. The topics, however, should focus on either key events that took place since last conference (like tumbleweed, evergreen, connect etc) or should be an article about oSC11 (or any particular session of it). We would also like a few miscellaneous topics that relates to openSUSE and linux at large. I hope all of you would like the idea and would contribute to our efforts to make openSUSE even more famous and awesome. Please let us know your thoughts (& your willingness to help). For additional info you can reply to the mailing list or send an email to differentreality(a)gmail.com ( plz use as subject: openSUSE magazine ) Regards, N.B.Prashanth - nbprash.mit(a)gmail.com Stella Rouzi - differentreality(a)gmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Notes from BoF
by Robert Schweikert 20 Sep '11

20 Sep '11

All, Please find the notes from the "What do we need to improve" BoF at last weeks oSC here: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:What_to_improve_osc11_session If you have ideas about solutions to the described problems please feel free to add them under the "Potential solution" heading. Also, if whomever volunteered to file the FATE entry on the multiboot installer could put the FATE number in the wiki that would be great. Thanks to everyone who participated in the Bof, and thanks in advance to those adding solution ideas. Just remember, keep it real, no "pie in the sky" stuff. Later, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei(a)suse.com rschweik(a)ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] openSUSE Magazine
by differentreality 19 Sep '11

19 Sep '11

Hey :) @Kim: Cool, hope to see something ready soon! Regarding Stuart's remarks, I am not sure if we can currently support a periodical issue, however, we can start with this one issue regarding past year openSUSE experience and see how it goes, right? We are already thinking about design/graphics and sponsors, but personally I think it is a little too early for that. I believe we should first start gathering some material and when we have at least half the articles we need, then we can also focus on the other aspects too. So basically my idea is, let's get to work regarding articles and the sooner we have them the better so as to start preparing the other details too. Our timeline here is little limited too, we want to do something in the next couple months, we wouldn't want for it to take longer. On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Stuart Tanner <stuart(a)bolin.org.uk> wrote: > On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 07:43 +0200, Peter Michl wrote: >> Am Freitag, 16. September 2011, 17:58:02 schrieb differentreality: >> > Hi all! >> > >> > One of the ideas that popped up during the marketing hackfest here >> > today was that of making an openSUSE magazine with focus on the >> > conference proceedings and the cool stuff that happened since the last >> > conference. The magazine would contain articles on the main highlights >> > of the past year (Year is the time period between two conferences), >> > interviews with key people, reviews and articles about the current >> > conference etc. >> > >> > We would like to get a feedback on the idea and a few key topics that >> > you think should be covered. Any authors who want to help with >> > articles, please say so on the mailing list as we need more people to >> > work on the articles. The topics, however, should focus on either key >> > events that took place since last conference (like tumbleweed, >> > evergreen, connect etc) or should be an article about oSC11 (or any >> > particular session of it). We would also like a few miscellaneous >> > topics that relates to openSUSE and linux at large. >> > >> > I hope all of you would like the idea and would contribute to our >> > efforts to make openSUSE even more famous and awesome. Please let us >> > know your thoughts (& your willingness to help). >> > >> > For additional info you can reply to the mailing list or send an email >> > to differentreality(a)gmail.com ( plz use as subject: openSUSE magazine >> > ) >> > >> > Regards, >> > N.B.Prashanth - nbprash.mit(a)gmail.com >> > Stella Rouzi - differentreality(a)gmail.com >> >> Hi all, >> >> I think it would be fine to tell about success stories, so that newbies can >> see that openSUSE is a serious operating system, not only for private use. >> This would include, that we also tell about former dristributions. The >> conclusion should be that openSUSE is in commercial use, so this can`t be bad >> to use it on my private desktop too. >> >> Regards, >> Greyhoundde >> OpenSUSE Ambassador >> peter-vitus.michl(a)t-online.de > > > Could this include stories from SuSE Linux Professional as well as > openSUSE because how much difference is their between the two for end > users other than updates and such. > > We really do need something to be able to give to users promoting us > specifically over Ubuntu and Windows. > > On a daily basis I get an equal amount of "I am happy with Windows" as I > do "I already use Linux 10. somat or "Ubuntu". > > Stuart > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help(a)opensuse.org > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] openSUSE Magazine
by differentreality 18 Sep '11

18 Sep '11

Hey all! Sorry for the late response, long travelling hours and still trying to get settled :) I am really happy that we already have people replying, giving ideas and ready to help out. As this is a totally new idea we highly value opinions and ideas. @Chuck: Technical articles like that are certainly useful. Please let me know with which article you would like to begin! - Regarding tips&tricks this is also great for weekly news and at the same time maybe we can find useful tips/tricks in older weekly news issues and use them all together - some of them are not too long articles and the subject is definitely interesting. Do you think you could take this up on you as well and prepare something for a tips&tricks section of the magazine? @Kim: People's view is very important and I believe would also personalize the magazine. So I would say go for it! Clarification: when you say documentary, are you thinking video or written interview - because documentary brings video in my mind but we need articles/writing. So how are you thinking of beginning this? @piyoosh: Yep, it will definitely *not* include just events. It will certainly have a large variety of topics related to openSUSE, that's why we need ideas from all of you. @Elson: sure, help and motivation for new users I believe is always something we want, right? Step-by-step tutorials, tips&tricks for users are all very useful things. Do you have something specific in mind? Could you prepare a relevant article? Or do we have any interesting articles already written which we could perhaps edit if needed and use? @Mike: perfect, if you want to write something please feel free to do so, otherwise as soon as we organize all the ideas we could make some proposals on subjects that need articles and you can choose, what do you think? @Tanmaya: Absolutely, release related articles are generally needed, so yes, please get right to it. I assume you could write something about 12.1 release? @Peter: Success stories are always something positive and we definitely want positiveness in our magazine, right? Do you have something specific in mind you could put in writing? I would like to point out that it is amazing how many nice ideas we got and I really hope we can see some articles as well soon. Many articles could also be used immediately and be issued in weekly news or news.opensuse.org and when time comes of course to our magazine! As we still have not concluded regarding the exact structure of the magazine we don't really know exactly how many articles we will need for each subject etc. It could be the case that we might need not to use some articles, *but* this should not discourage absolutely anyone from writing because we will surely use your article one way or the other! The first step for the magazine is to get some context for it - your articles that is :) We will have a variety of subjects, from technical to simple things for newbies and we will focus on communities, individuals as well as events that have taken place. Maybe this is also a good chance for ambassadors to send something like a review regarding events that took place in their city/country? What do ambassadors think about that? We are still open for ideas and with Prashanth we will be processing all that info really soon (plz give us a couple of days as we just got back from Germany) and we will put everything together so that everyone knows where we stand on subjects. In the meantime, we are looking forward to receiving your articles and if you need any kind of clarification or assistance please let us know. I think if we can get an article for all the above subjects that all of you mentioned it is an excellent start for our magazine-effort :) Thanks to all, Stella Rouzi (aka differentreality) On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Kim Leyendecker <kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de> wrote: > Am 17.09.2011 18:39, schrieb jdd: >> >> Le 17/09/2011 18:30, Kim Leyendecker a écrit : >> >>> you think so? Maybe as a series? >>> >> yearly magazine! > > hm, then forget about the series... > > -- > -o) Kim Leyendecker > /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE > _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help(a)opensuse.org > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] openSUSE Magazine
by Piyoosh Mukhija 17 Sep '11

17 Sep '11

I believe it'd be a good idea to not just include events, but some tutorials/troubleshooters as well. In such a case, the magazine can be more attractive to the new/novice openSUSE/Linux users. Regards, Piyoosh Mukhija http://piyoosh.mukhija.info Regards, Piyoosh Mukhija http://piyoosh.mukhija.info On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Piyoosh Mukhija <piyoosh(a)mukhija.info> wrote: > > I believe it'd be a good idea to not just include events, but some tutorials/troubleshooters as well. In such a case, the magazine can be more attractive to the new/novice openSUSE/Linux users. > > Regards, > Piyoosh Mukhija > http://piyoosh.mukhija.info > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:28 PM, differentreality <differentreality(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all! >> >> One of the ideas that popped up during the marketing hackfest here >> today was that of making an openSUSE magazine with focus on the >> conference proceedings and the cool stuff that happened since the last >> conference. The magazine would contain articles on the main highlights >> of the past year (Year is the time period between two conferences), >> interviews with key people, reviews and articles about the current >> conference etc. >> >> We would like to get a feedback on the idea and a few key topics that >> you think should be covered. Any authors who want to help with >> articles, please say so on the mailing list as we need more people to >> work on the articles. The topics, however, should focus on either key >> events that took place since last conference (like tumbleweed, >> evergreen, connect etc) or should be an article about oSC11 (or any >> particular session of it). We would also like a few miscellaneous >> topics that relates to openSUSE and linux at large. >> >> I hope all of you would like the idea and would contribute to our >> efforts to make openSUSE even more famous and awesome. Please let us >> know your thoughts (& your willingness to help). >> >> For additional info you can reply to the mailing list or send an email >> to differentreality(a)gmail.com ( plz use as subject: openSUSE magazine >> ) >> >> Regards, >> N.B.Prashanth - nbprash.mit(a)gmail.com >> Stella Rouzi - differentreality(a)gmail.com >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ambassadors+help(a)opensuse.org >> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] List of openSUSE mirrors?
by Per Jessen 17 Sep '11

17 Sep '11

I know I can see the list of mirrors here: http://mirrors.opensuse.org/ This is also divided into products (I guess not all mirrors mirror everything). Is there a text-format mirror list available anywhere? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Weekly News 193 coming soon...
by Sascha Manns 15 Sep '11

15 Sep '11

Hello Mates, don't worry about this mail. I just would like to remind that our next openSUSE Weekly News 193 comes out at Saturday evening (UTC +2). Until Saturday 08:00:00 (CEST) +0200 UTC you can propose Articles, Links and all such stuff for integrating into the Weekly News. For people who don't want to write it in XML, you can use our Pad: http://os-news.ietherpad.com/2. I've planned to send this Mail each Wednesday to remind on the Weekly News. Have a lot of fun :-) -- Sincerely Yours Sascha Manns open-slx Community & Support Agent openSUSE Membership Comitee openSUSE Marketing Team Web: http://saigkill.homelinux.net German Community Portal: http://community.open-slx.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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