2011/9/21 Jos Poortvliet :

On 20.09.2011 Kim wrote:

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Hello Geeckos!

There were a discussion[1] about kicking SUSEGreeter a few months ago. And yes, it was quite quiet about it until today.

My idea:

creating a site called welcome.opensuse.org, instead of using SuSEgreeter.

SUSEGreeter was very nice in a time where not everyone had an internet connection. In the most countries of the world, an internet connection is standard now.

So, I think SUSEgreeter should be retired. There so many new technologies on the internet, so, why not using a website instead of SUSEGreeter?

The idea:

* Creating a website which is lightweight but still delivers a comprehensive bunch of information, which could be useful for first start.

* Links to openSUSE News, openSUSE´s facebook presence and other SUSE stuff on the internet

* Link to the mailinglist archive

* Download links for additional CDs

* link to SUSE Studio

* links to the most important wiki pages

I´m on the way to create a prototype of such a site and want to ask you if anyone else is interested in it? I´m working a bit with HTML && CSS in the near past and the near future, so it also would help me to get in the stuff ;-)

So, I want to ask for comments and ideas about it.

If there people who are interested in it, don´t be shy and join the project ;-) Great idea Kim Would you like to create a demo page on the wiki where we could all work on it and when it will be finalized to make it the Greeter? I would really love to help you with that ;-) I know some HTML but no CSS

First of all, I think it's a good idea to replace SUSE Greeter. Initially I was thinking why not just point to openSUSE.org but it does make sense to have a page specifically for those who have installed openSUSE already. So it should have a prominent search for more software (!!) and links to the important how-to's and other documentation. Share pls once you have something nice :D

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kind regards, Kim

[1] https://features.opensuse.org/312754

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On 20.09.2011 Kim wrote:

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Hello Geeckos!

There were a discussion[1] about kicking SUSEGreeter a few months ago. And yes, it was quite quiet about it until today.

My idea:

creating a site called welcome.opensuse.org, instead of using SuSEgreeter.

SUSEGreeter was very nice in a time where not everyone had an internet connection. In the most countries of the world, an internet connection is standard now.

So, I think SUSEgreeter should be retired. There so many new technologies on the internet, so, why not using a website instead of SUSEGreeter?

The idea:

* Creating a website which is lightweight but still delivers a comprehensive bunch of information, which could be useful for first start.

* Links to openSUSE News, openSUSE´s facebook presence and other SUSE stuff on the internet

* Link to the mailinglist archive

* Download links for additional CDs

* link to SUSE Studio

* links to the most important wiki pages

I´m on the way to create a prototype of such a site and want to ask you if anyone else is interested in it? I´m working a bit with HTML && CSS in the near past and the near future, so it also would help me to get in the stuff ;-)

So, I want to ask for comments and ideas about it.

If there people who are interested in it, don´t be shy and join the project ;-)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, James Mason wrote:

I'm really not sold on this idea.  SUSEGreeter still has its place, even if its just a shell for the browse to welcome.opensuse.org (or whatever).

But (1) we already have the infrastructure to show SUSEGreeter at the right place at the right time, and (2) a wide-open internet connection isn't universal.

I'd like to see SUSEGreeter evolve, and host some HTML content, and if a network connection is available, pull networked content as well.

My 2¢ - James M

I agree with you, we could autodetect if the user has internet connection, and then show the online version, or if not, show a local static page to greet. I think we need support from a design and usability perspective. I think we should cc to the -artwork list Regards, Sebastian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

DenverD wrote:

but, how do you detect if the user installed from a magazine provided image, is on an expensive and slow dial up in Timbuktu and really really really doesn't want a load of 'content' at his/her download cost? or, . . .

if a static, on hard drive popup (in whatever browser) _offered_ to connect to everything you can think of, then the user has _choice_

[what if this new user is running away from the dark side because, [which no choice, s/he is forced to download piles of stuff everyday . . . ]

so, i vote for an upgraded, installed, static, greeter with the option to click to broadband, flat rate magic. ymmv

+1 Even in Western Europe where ADSL is rapidly going out of fashion, there are still many not-that-remote locations where dial-up or slowish WLAN to the next village is the only option. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Am 22.09.2011 00:35, schrieb Sebastian Oliva:

I agree with you, we could autodetect if the user has internet connection, and then show the online version, or if not, show a local static page to greet.

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Am 21.09.2011 23:40, schrieb James Mason:

I'm really not sold on this idea. SUSEGreeter still has its place, even if its just a shell for the browse to welcome.opensuse.org (or whatever).

Well, this is an option too.

But (1) we already have the infrastructure to show SUSEGreeter at the right place at the right time, and (2) a wide-open internet connection isn't universal.

I'd like to see SUSEGreeter evolve, and host some HTML content, and if a network connection is available, pull networked content as well.

Hm, my main problem with SUSEGreeter is still that it pop-ups really slowly on old hardware. It also is really static to me. It doesn´t host recent stuff at all. If you install openSUSE really first time, it is maybe interesting, yes, but at least at the second time, you just click "close" and start to work. This might could be changed with a website that delivers much more recent stuff, hm? BTW, You right. There will be scenarios where you haven´t any internet connection. Here is SUSEGreeter a nice tool. Is there any possibility to create a script that´s just opening SUSEGreeter _if_ there aren´t any network connection? Otherwise it just would ignore SUSEGreeter and let the user explore the website. Kim -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Am 21.09.2011 17:55, schrieb Jos Poortvliet:

First of all, I think it's a good idea to replace SUSE Greeter. Initially I was thinking why not just point to openSUSE.org but it does make sense to have a page specifically for those who have installed openSUSE already. So it should have a prominent search for more software (!!) and links to the important how-to's and other documentation. Share pls once you have something nice :D

I´m still working on a first prototype (Alpha) of the website. I expect to being ready with it tomorrow. I´m on the way to integrate some article links to news.o.o (called Appetizers) to make the people stay in the openSUSE ecosystem for a while. Imagine you´ve installed openSUSE, open your browser the first time and see some links which are saying you "Hey, here´s something interesting about your brand new operating system, Have a look or you will miss something important ;-)" On the other hand: One big advantage against SUSEGreeter should be the integration of one-click installations. It´s not that important when a new version just get released, but after, let me guess, 5 months, there will be some changes you might want to install. So, it should show you the newest KDE and GNOME packages as well as the most important patches. kind regards, Kim -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org