[opensuse-project] Growing some openSUSE ARMs
Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought it worth the extra noise ;-) One of the things that came out of the recent Geeko Love-In for me was a new project to immerse myself in within openSUSE. Yeah I know, we have enough existing projects already so why create a new one? Simples! Believe it or not but openSUSE is behind the curve in a specific segment, and that segment has yet to explode to its full potential. That segment is ARM. No I'm not talking about your upper body appendages, but the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees. Didn't openSUSE do something about this a while ago? Yes we did. Unfortunately the effort seems to have bitrotted somewhat, there were numerous reasons and I don't even prophesise to know the all either. As such I'm going to try and kickstart things, and see it through and hopefully see it grow. As I mentioned, this idea came up at the conference when I was talking to numerous people (I forget how it all started, but that doesn't really matter). There was an overwhelmingly positive view on the matter, and that for me was all that counts. Now let me be crystal clear here, *THIS WILL NOT BE A ONE MAN SHOW!!* I mentioned previously that my view is that we as a community are pretty lazy at times with getting our hands dirty. As such if you think things are going slow or not going in the direction you would like, don't moan. Get your hands dirty and help make a difference. The process will not be an easy one either, so don't expect a port to magically appear over night. If we're lucky we might be able to have a working port in 6 months. Maybe longer, maybe shorter; ultimately that lies with us as a community. Stage one has begun already thanks to Adrian Schroeter, Alex Graf and Dirk Mueller. Stage one comprises of getting the boot strap process to work. At a cursory level this means getting the packages required for setting up a build chroot environment and for building these packages on the target ARM architecture. This will possibly take a fair amount of time, and no I won't give any timelines for this - how long is a piece of string? openSUSE has a couple of advantages here, 1) we have the OBS which can cross build and if need be cross compile packages for numerous architectures (ARM included) so we are going to make a start with that; 2) SUSE are going to be doing another HackWeek (I think it is next week) which means Adrian, Alex, Dirk and anyone else that has knowledge, experience or interest can join in the fun and pain almost full time for a week - let's not kid ourselves here there is a high probability for lots of pain, but also fun ;-) Thing is HackWeek is not just for SUSE staff, it is also for the community. You can join in and spend some quality time on the project with those that know a whole heap of stuff, and learn from them and maybe even teach them something too. We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be in it to win it ;-) So I'm basically just giving you all a heads up on this effort, and will update you as regularly as possible (I'm hoping to do something weekly maybe). In the meantime, if you're interested join #opensuse-arm on Freenode and the opensuse-arm mailing list. *DO NOT HARRASS* for updates, if there is something to say it will be said. If you've got a question, ask and *WAIT* for an answer. If you want to help out but want to know how ask and *WAIT* for an answer. I will try and get something on the wiki soon, with a todo list etc. Thanks and here's to getting our Geeko some ARMs. Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Donnerstag 22 September 2011 16:05:44 Andrew Wafaa wrote:
the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees.
The openSUSE member who were allowed to vote decided that openSUSE does not want to run on those “little devices”. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy says:
openSUSE does not: (...) Work on Mobile or embedded devices. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 09/22/2011 04:42 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
The openSUSE member who were allowed to vote decided that openSUSE does not want to run on those “little devices”. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy says:
openSUSE does not: (...) Work on Mobile or embedded devices.
The same document also says: "It does not aim to limit anyone within the community to work on what they want!" and "We encourage and enable the users in our community to contribute to openSUSE and to shape its future, lowering participation barriers in our community wherever possible." -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o openSUSE Boosters Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9 prusnak[at]opensuse.org Czech Republic -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday, September 22, 2011 04:50:32 PM Pavol Rusnak wrote:
On 09/22/2011 04:42 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
The openSUSE member who were allowed to vote decided that openSUSE does not want to run on> those “little devices”. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy says:
openSUSE does not: (...)
Work on Mobile or embedded devices.
The same document also says:
"It does not aim to limit anyone within the community to work on what they want!"
and
"We encourage and enable the users in our community to contribute to openSUSE and to shape its future, lowering participation barriers in our community wherever possible."
I hope to find openSUSE everywhere on any devices without limitations. No limitations can attract developers from different specialized areas (maybe it would feel scattered but they, the developers, must properly make the project plan to get the right and continous collaboration. Congratulations, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama openSUSE Linux Ambassador openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.7 | Mesa-Nouveau 3D Linux for Education -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Markus Slopianka schrieb:
On Donnerstag 22 September 2011 16:05:44 Andrew Wafaa wrote:
the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees.
The openSUSE member who were allowed to vote decided that openSUSE does not want to run on those “little devices”. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy says:
openSUSE does not: (...) Work on Mobile or embedded devices.
ARM Servers have been the new buzz for a while, due to the energy-saving prospects I'm pretty sure they'll have an interesting market. I guess openSUSE wants to run on those, right? Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 09/22/2011 04:42 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
On Donnerstag 22 September 2011 16:05:44 Andrew Wafaa wrote:
the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees.
The openSUSE member who were allowed to vote decided that openSUSE does not want to run on those “little devices”. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy says:
openSUSE does not: (...) Work on Mobile or embedded devices.
in retrospect it seems kinda shortsighted, huh? DD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, DenverD
On 09/22/2011 04:42 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
On Donnerstag 22 September 2011 16:05:44 Andrew Wafaa wrote:
the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees.
The openSUSE member who were allowed to vote decided that openSUSE does not want to run on those “little devices”. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy says:
openSUSE does not: (...) Work on Mobile or embedded devices.
in retrospect it seems kinda shortsighted, huh?
DD
I just got my first android a month or two ago and I'm shocked how much like a computer it is, so yes I say it was short sighted as well. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, September 22, 2011 4:42 pm, Markus Slopianka wrote:
On Donnerstag 22 September 2011 16:05:44 Andrew Wafaa wrote:
the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees.
The openSUSE member who were allowed to vote decided that openSUSE does not want to run on those âlittle devicesâ. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy says:
openSUSE does not: (...) Work on Mobile or embedded devices.
See also link: http://news.opensuse.org/2011/08/09/strategy-done/ <quote> The future The team noted that the strategy is of course not set in stone for eternity although we probably wont go through this process every year and asked for further feedback in the mass mailing to the membership. Some comments did indeed come in, most notably asking for the ARM port and mobile devices as well as the impact of the openSUSE Foundation. In the future, the strategy documents will surely require some revision. Once somebody in the openSUSE community steps up to do an ARM port, which is likely to attract significant help, the document will have to be revisited to reflect this, just like Tumbleweed resulted in a change. </quote> Joop -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:05:44PM +0100, Andrew Wafaa wrote:
We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be in it to win it ;-)
I know we talked about this at the openSUSE conference, and I'm glad that you are starting to kick this off, it's great. But, what specific machine are you targeting this to run on to start with? We need some kind of specific platform to aim for besides a semi-vague processor level, in order to get a valid kernel and tool-chain up and running. The kernel specifically is going to be a bit difficult as each individual platform needs tweaks in order to have it work properly due to the lack of discoverable busses (device-tree work notwithstanding). In other words, what box do I need to go buy in order to help make this possible? :) thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 22/09/2011 16:56, Greg KH a écrit :
We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be in it to win it ;-) I know we talked about this at the openSUSE conference, and I'm glad
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:05:44PM +0100, Andrew Wafaa wrote: that you are starting to kick this off, it's great.
But, what specific machine are you targeting this to run on to start with? We need some kind of specific platform to aim for besides a semi-vague processor level, in order to get a valid kernel and tool-chain up and running. The kernel specifically is going to be a bit difficult as each individual platform needs tweaks in order to have it work properly due to the lack of discoverable busses (device-tree work notwithstanding).
In other words, what box do I need to go buy in order to help make this possible? :)
I think we need more than 1 board to check the port. I think Beagleboard, Beagleboard xM or a Pandaboard could be a nice board to develop openSUSE on ARM (in addition to qemu). Firstly, we have to decide what kind of ARM processor we want to support. I think we should target ARMv7 and above Application processor family (Cortex A8, A9 and above) to have enough "power" to run openSUSE. I think we will have poor performances with ARMv5 for openSUSE. Then, we have to decide which optimization (in GCC) we want to enable. I would say : - ARM EABI with ARMv7-a instructions - VFP (vector floating point) - thumb/thumb2 instructions if possible (some packages do not compile with thumb or thumb2 enabled) - NEON (not all processor have it, maybe enable it as an option for video libraries for examples to have good performances) Interesting pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture I have experiences in embedded Linux and I have a beagleboard xM, so I can help if you want. But I have no experiences in RPM packaging. AFAIK, someone worked on ARM port some time ago in google summer of code. It could be nice to know what have been done. Cheers, Guillaume -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, September 22, 2011 5:41 pm, Guillaume Gardet wrote:
Le 22/09/2011 16:56, Greg KH a écrit :
We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be in it to win it ;-) I know we talked about this at the openSUSE conference, and I'm glad
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:05:44PM +0100, Andrew Wafaa wrote: that you are starting to kick this off, it's great.
But, what specific machine are you targeting this to run on to start with? We need some kind of specific platform to aim for besides a semi-vague processor level, in order to get a valid kernel and tool-chain up and running. The kernel specifically is going to be a bit difficult as each individual platform needs tweaks in order to have it work properly due to the lack of discoverable busses (device-tree work notwithstanding).
In other words, what box do I need to go buy in order to help make this possible? :)
I think we need more than 1 board to check the port. I think Beagleboard, Beagleboard xM or a Pandaboard could be a nice board to develop openSUSE on ARM (in addition to qemu).
Firstly, we have to decide what kind of ARM processor we want to support. I think we should target ARMv7 and above Application processor family (Cortex A8, A9 and above) to have enough "power" to run openSUSE. I think we will have poor performances with ARMv5 for openSUSE. Then, we have to decide which optimization (in GCC) we want to enable. I would say : - ARM EABI with ARMv7-a instructions - VFP (vector floating point) - thumb/thumb2 instructions if possible (some packages do not compile with thumb or thumb2 enabled) - NEON (not all processor have it, maybe enable it as an option for video libraries for examples to have good performances)
I think that if you look at the time that it'll take to have a stable distro, I think it would be best to focus on the Cortex A9 (hardfp etc) with or without NEON. Why start with a distro that is already based on "old" hardware. Nearly all tablets are using a Cortex A9 (mostly in the form of a Tegra 2). That has one small downside. This one doesn't have a NEON FPU at least not one that meets the full specs. What are the plans for a openSuSE ARM distro. Where should it run on? I think as a distro it would be useful to have it running on a tablet like the Asus Transformer and upcoming ARM Cortex A15 servers.
Interesting pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture
I have experiences in embedded Linux and I have a beagleboard xM, so I can help if you want. But I have no experiences in RPM packaging.
I would like to take part. I have Pandaboard (OMAP4430) and Toshiba AC100 (Tegra2).
AFAIK, someone worked on ARM port some time ago in google summer of code. It could be nice to know what have been done.
Cheers,
Guillaume
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On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 07:56 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
In other words, what box do I need to go buy in order to help make this possible? :)
At the minute no decision has been made on exact hardware. I'm assessing certain opportunities and as soon as any form of decision or recommendation is reached, I'll make an announcement. Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, September 22, 2011 4:05 pm, Andrew Wafaa wrote:
Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought it worth the extra noise ;-)
One of the things that came out of the recent Geeko Love-In for me was a new project to immerse myself in within openSUSE. Yeah I know, we have enough existing projects already so why create a new one? Simples! Believe it or not but openSUSE is behind the curve in a specific segment, and that segment has yet to explode to its full potential. That segment is ARM. No I'm not talking about your upper body appendages, but the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees. <snip> .. </snip>
The process will not be an easy one either, so don't expect a port to magically appear over night. If we're lucky we might be able to have a working port in 6 months. Maybe longer, maybe shorter; ultimately that lies with us as a community.
Stage one has begun already thanks to Adrian Schroeter, Alex Graf and Dirk Mueller. Stage one comprises of getting the boot strap process to work. At a cursory level this means getting the packages required for setting up a build chroot environment and for building these packages on the target ARM architecture. This will possibly take a fair amount of time, and no I won't give any timelines for this - how long is a piece of string?
openSUSE has a couple of advantages here, 1) we have the OBS which can cross build and if need be cross compile packages for numerous architectures (ARM included) so we are going to make a start with that;
If I understood correctly the ARM build is currently broken in OBS (build.opensuse.org)?
2) SUSE are going to be doing another HackWeek (I think it is next week) which means Adrian, Alex, Dirk and anyone else that has knowledge, experience or interest can join in the fun and pain almost full time for a week - let's not kid ourselves here there is a high probability for lots of pain, but also fun ;-) Thing is HackWeek is not just for SUSE staff, it is also for the community. You can join in and spend some quality time on the project with those that know a whole heap of stuff, and learn from them and maybe even teach them something too.
We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be in it to win it ;-)
So I'm basically just giving you all a heads up on this effort, and will update you as regularly as possible (I'm hoping to do something weekly maybe). In the meantime, if you're interested join #opensuse-arm on Freenode and the opensuse-arm mailing list. *DO NOT HARRASS* for updates, if there is something to say it will be said. If you've got a question, ask and *WAIT* for an answer. If you want to help out but want to know how ask and *WAIT* for an answer. I will try and get something on the wiki soon, with a todo list etc.
I think we should get people like Jan-Simon Möller on board as he started the first openSuSE ARM build in 2009 and also the ARM build in OBS. I think it'll kick-start the ARM port.
Thanks and here's to getting our Geeko some ARMs.
Regards,
Andy
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<snip> Well cool - why did it take us ~ 1.5 years to notice ;) . I just dropped factory pack then as it is too much for just one penguin.
2) SUSE are going to be doing another HackWeek (I think it is next week) which means Adrian, Alex, Dirk and anyone else that has knowledge, experience or interest can join in the fun and pain almost full time for a week - let's not kid ourselves here there is a high probability for lots of pain, but also fun ;-) Thing is HackWeek is not just for SUSE staff, it is also for the community. You can join in and spend some quality time on the project with those that know a whole heap of stuff, and learn from them and maybe even teach them something too.
We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be in it to win it ;-)
So I'm basically just giving you all a heads up on this effort, and will update you as regularly as possible (I'm hoping to do something weekly maybe). In the meantime, if you're interested join #opensuse-arm on Freenode and the opensuse-arm mailing list. *DO NOT HARRASS* for updates, if there is something to say it will be said. If you've got a question, ask and *WAIT* for an answer. If you want to help out but want to know how ask and *WAIT* for an answer. I will try and get something on the wiki soon, with a todo list etc.
I think we should get people like Jan-Simon Möller on board as he started the first openSuSE ARM build in 2009 and also the ARM build in OBS. I think it'll kick-start the ARM port.
Thanks and here's to getting our Geeko some ARMs.
So let get a crew together - we have the knowledge and the tools. I'm willing to do my part on the weekends and continue what I did back then. Time to wipe android from the transformer ?! ;) Best, Jan-Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On 09/23/2011 09:16 PM, Jan-Simon Möller wrote:
<snip>
Well cool - why did it take us ~ 1.5 years to notice ;) . I guess, I was a bit ahead of time when I wrote https://features.opensuse.org/310070 :-)
So let get a crew together - we have the knowledge and the tools. I'm willing to do my part on the weekends and continue what I did back then. I ready to help with packaging. As I learned with PPC, it's often not coding but packaging work, and that's something I can also do.
Time to wipe android from the transformer ?! ;) Or Ubuntu from my EFIKA MX :) Well, that's Linux, but that the one I prefer...
Personally I'd prefer porting to the EFIKA MX. Not only because I already have it, but because it's both an end user device and a developer machine with serial port access & Co. Most of the other ARM based machines are either too developer centric or too much end user. A notable exception is the trimslice, but that's not available in a portable format, like the EFIKA smartbook. Bye, CzP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Just a quick reminder that openFATE is the supposed to be the way to
discuss ideas like this.
And yet, no one has brought up:
https://features.opensuse.org/310070
fyi: I don't really think openFATE works all that well because you
can't edit the comments down into a readable end-product. A team page
on the wiki might be the best way to track plans and options.
Greg
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Andrew Wafaa
Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought it worth the extra noise ;-)
One of the things that came out of the recent Geeko Love-In for me was a new project to immerse myself in within openSUSE. Yeah I know, we have enough existing projects already so why create a new one? Simples! Believe it or not but openSUSE is behind the curve in a specific segment, and that segment has yet to explode to its full potential. That segment is ARM. No I'm not talking about your upper body appendages, but the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees.
Didn't openSUSE do something about this a while ago? Yes we did. Unfortunately the effort seems to have bitrotted somewhat, there were numerous reasons and I don't even prophesise to know the all either.
As such I'm going to try and kickstart things, and see it through and hopefully see it grow. As I mentioned, this idea came up at the conference when I was talking to numerous people (I forget how it all started, but that doesn't really matter). There was an overwhelmingly positive view on the matter, and that for me was all that counts. Now let me be crystal clear here, *THIS WILL NOT BE A ONE MAN SHOW!!* I mentioned previously that my view is that we as a community are pretty lazy at times with getting our hands dirty. As such if you think things are going slow or not going in the direction you would like, don't moan. Get your hands dirty and help make a difference.
The process will not be an easy one either, so don't expect a port to magically appear over night. If we're lucky we might be able to have a working port in 6 months. Maybe longer, maybe shorter; ultimately that lies with us as a community.
Stage one has begun already thanks to Adrian Schroeter, Alex Graf and Dirk Mueller. Stage one comprises of getting the boot strap process to work. At a cursory level this means getting the packages required for setting up a build chroot environment and for building these packages on the target ARM architecture. This will possibly take a fair amount of time, and no I won't give any timelines for this - how long is a piece of string?
openSUSE has a couple of advantages here, 1) we have the OBS which can cross build and if need be cross compile packages for numerous architectures (ARM included) so we are going to make a start with that; 2) SUSE are going to be doing another HackWeek (I think it is next week) which means Adrian, Alex, Dirk and anyone else that has knowledge, experience or interest can join in the fun and pain almost full time for a week - let's not kid ourselves here there is a high probability for lots of pain, but also fun ;-) Thing is HackWeek is not just for SUSE staff, it is also for the community. You can join in and spend some quality time on the project with those that know a whole heap of stuff, and learn from them and maybe even teach them something too.
We are going to be targeting ARMv7 nothing older I'm afraid this means CORTEX-A8 and above (looking at A9 primarily and then the new A15 when it's available), it gets too messy otherwise and it is already messy enough.If you have knowledge and experience, please help out. If you don't take part you have no justification to complain - you've got to be in it to win it ;-)
So I'm basically just giving you all a heads up on this effort, and will update you as regularly as possible (I'm hoping to do something weekly maybe). In the meantime, if you're interested join #opensuse-arm on Freenode and the opensuse-arm mailing list. *DO NOT HARRASS* for updates, if there is something to say it will be said. If you've got a question, ask and *WAIT* for an answer. If you want to help out but want to know how ask and *WAIT* for an answer. I will try and get something on the wiki soon, with a todo list etc.
Thanks and here's to getting our Geeko some ARMs.
Regards,
Andy
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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:05:44PM +0100, Andrew Wafaa wrote:
Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought it worth the extra noise ;-)
One of the things that came out of the recent Geeko Love-In for me was a new project to immerse myself in within openSUSE. Yeah I know, we have enough existing projects already so why create a new one? Simples! Believe it or not but openSUSE is behind the curve in a specific segment, and that segment has yet to explode to its full potential. That segment is ARM. No I'm not talking about your upper body appendages, but the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees.
Didn't openSUSE do something about this a while ago? Yes we did. Unfortunately the effort seems to have bitrotted somewhat, there were numerous reasons and I don't even prophesise to know the all either.
</lurk> Hi! If you'd like to join in some cross-distribution discussion about ARM porting etc., please sign up to the cross-distro mailing list hosted by Linaro: http://lists.linaro.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-distro There's already been a big meetup at LPC earlier on this month, and we're resolving to do more regular sessions in the future. If there's anything we can help with, please shout! Cheers, -- Steve McIntyre steve.mcintyre@linaro.org http://www.linaro.org/ Linaro.org | Open source software for ARM SoCs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 27.09.2011, at 16:30, Steve McIntyre wrote:
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 03:05:44PM +0100, Andrew Wafaa wrote:
Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought it worth the extra noise ;-)
One of the things that came out of the recent Geeko Love-In for me was a new project to immerse myself in within openSUSE. Yeah I know, we have enough existing projects already so why create a new one? Simples! Believe it or not but openSUSE is behind the curve in a specific segment, and that segment has yet to explode to its full potential. That segment is ARM. No I'm not talking about your upper body appendages, but the architecture that powers most of your little devices (and some bigger ones too). Almost all smartphones, tablets and many other consumer devices are powered by ARM from one of the numerous licensees.
Didn't openSUSE do something about this a while ago? Yes we did. Unfortunately the effort seems to have bitrotted somewhat, there were numerous reasons and I don't even prophesise to know the all either.
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If you'd like to join in some cross-distribution discussion about ARM porting etc., please sign up to the cross-distro mailing list hosted by Linaro:
Ah, cool. That might be very interesting, yes. Andrew, please join there too :).
There's already been a big meetup at LPC earlier on this month, and we're resolving to do more regular sessions in the future. If there's anything we can help with, please shout!
Right now we're trying to bootstrap some base packages with hardfp still. If you like, you can see the current progress on: https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor?project=Base:build:arm I'm pretty sure that we could use quite some help once we get the base system up and running and want to move on to activate the full system. For now, there is only so much work that can be parallelized unfortunately. Alex
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