January 2001 - openSUSE Edu - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Routing
by Dave Williams 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Another chance for me to display my ignorance :-) All that follows is based on SuSE 7.0. I am changing our ip address range from 172.19.50.x (255.255.255.0) to 172.16.y.x (255.255.252.0) - reason - more numbers. However, while moving over I need to let machines on both ranges communicate eg. clients printing to print servers etc. Is this possible? If I set up 2 interfaces on the server (derby) with ifconfig eth0:0 172.19.50.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 ifconfig eth0:1 172.16.0.2 netmask 255.255.252.0 and turn ip forwarding on with yast, should machines on the 2 ip ranges be able to communicate. eg. ping each other I've tried it and they don't. Am I trying something silly and if not what other steps do I need? Dave Williams

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Re: [Wylug-discuss] Ain't phones wonderfull
by Frank Shute 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 11:58:40AM +0000, Gary Stainburn wrote: > > Ain't phones wonderfull? > Sure are. My conversation about a year ago: M$: `Hello, Microsoft how can we help you?' Me: `I ordered a student distribution of NT 2 months ago and it was advertised as being with me within a month. What's happened to it?' M$: `Your name & address sir' Me: ...gives them name & address... M$: <clickety click> M$: <pause> M$: `I'm sorry sir, I can't tell you what's happened to your order as our computer system has crashed....' True story. -- Frank *-------*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-------* | Boroughbridge | Tel: 01423 323019 | PGP keyID: 0xC0B341A3 | *-------*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-------* http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Routing
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

> I am changing our ip address range from 172.19.50.x (255.255.255.0) to > 172.16.y.x (255.255.252.0) - reason - more numbers. Well, 172.19.x.x is a 'class B' IP address, so if you use it with no subnet mask at all (ie the default which would be 255.255.0.0 for a class B) you have 65535 potential addresses available to you, in the range 172.16.0.1 -> 172.16.255.254 (172.16.0.0 being considered as the 'network' and 172.16.255.255 the broadcast address). So one option is just to remove the subnet mask completly - but be warned, you would have to do this on all machines in one go - you can't run with subnet masks on some and not on others ... Is this an option ? > However, while moving > over I need to let machines on both ranges communicate eg. clients > printing to print servers etc. It should be, as long as all of your networking uses the IP protocol (ie Samba/Windows networking on IP - not netbeui) > If I set up 2 interfaces on the server (derby) with > ifconfig eth0:0 172.19.50.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 > ifconfig eth0:1 172.16.0.2 netmask 255.255.252.0 what is the output of $netstat -nr on this box ? > and turn ip forwarding on with yast, should machines on the > 2 ip ranges be able to communicate. eg. ping each other You need to ensure that all machines are using either 172.19.50.2 (on the 172.19.50.0 network) or 172.16.0.2 (on the 172.16.0.0 network) as the default router. Then all should be ok (assuming that the router is configured ok - so netstat -nr would tell us that). Kevin.

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just for fun
by suse 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Dear all I have been told today that there are only 3 versions of Windows now available. They are Windows CE Windows ME and windows NT. Now CE ME NT spells cememnt to me. I can laugh I do not have to run Windows, just Xwindows Regards mike -- minkl(a)dircon.co.uk mike.clinch(a)ukuug.org SuSE linux 7 very good

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] the case of the missing network
by Grainge, Derek 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Without knowing your samba config it's difficult to say... Samba operates as a domain controller either for an NT style network, or for a 95/98 workgroup style network. If you installed printer shares using the latter style, my guess is that your samba server has now decided to become a member of the workgroup. Maybe. In which case you will need to heck the conf file to force it back to NT mode? Likewise your 98 machine needs to use NT style sharing, and it needs to authenticate username/password to an NT(ie Samba) server. Does this describe your setup? -----Original Message----- From: James & Cybèle [mailto:CJC@stonycobbles.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 30 January 2001 23:17 To: Schools List Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] the case of the missing network Fiddled around with printing on the network today.... AM: Had a normal working SAMBA network. PM attached a printer to a WIN98 machine, installed File and Print Sharing from Networking, followed instructions in various books and had the network printing within 10 mins.....but the network now consists of just the printer, any mention of the shared files from Linux are gone.......Removed printer and print sharing...still no network at Windows level (ie Pinging still fine) ?????? James -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of inappropriate attachments and certain obscenities. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. ********************************************************************************

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Installing LINUX on SCSI - MORE
by adrian.wells 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Found that I had a dodgy SIM, That's why I got the error as the OS was loading into the RAM disk! I have now changed the ram and doing a full install (everything) of V7 (from the LINUX mag). I've used expert mode so that I could control the mount point & partitions of the four HDDs. A couple of questions, 1) Is there a sensible upper limit to the size of the swap partition? 2) Will LINUX use what's offered or use the space only if required - i.e. does it try to be efficient? 3) When trying to squeeze LINUX into a m/c with several small HDD's I found that a maximum of 4 partitions per drive was allowed. Is there a reason for this? (cant remember every trying to ad more than 3 partitions in the past! DOS or LINUX) So far so good! :-) Adrian ---------- > From: adrian.wells <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> > To: SuSE list <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Installing LINUX on SCSI > Date: 26 January 2001 11:45 > > All installations that I have completed so far have been on std IDE boxes, > with few if any probs (apart from Graphics and NIC). > > I have tried to install 6.3 6.4 & 7 of LINUX on a P166 80M ram 2x 8GB SCSI > HDD 2x 4GB SCSI 1x SCSI CD-ROM, all via an Adaptec AHA-2940 (BIOS 1.23) > SCSI card. > > I have loaded the 294x drivers after booting from FDD and then start > installation. The CD is found and all goes well (although slowly!) until it > stops with... > "An error occurred during installation" > > Has anyone else had similar problems? > Is there a log file that I can open with more info re the failure? > > The equipment was in good working order as it was a working NOVELL box. > > As a further measure, I am about to try Mandrake 7.1 > > > > Kind Regards > Adrian Wells > _______________________________________ > Systems Manager > Sidcot School > Oakridge Lane, Winscombe, Somerset BS25 1PD. > > Please reply to > adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk > admin(a)sidcot.org.uk for general enquiries

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the case of the missing network
by James & Cybèle 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Fiddled around with printing on the network today.... AM: Had a normal working SAMBA network. PM attached a printer to a WIN98 machine, installed File and Print Sharing from Networking, followed instructions in various books and had the network printing within 10 mins.....but the network now consists of just the printer, any mention of the shared files from Linux are gone.......Removed printer and print sharing...still no network at Windows level (ie Pinging still fine) ?????? James

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Email server
by acraig 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Dear Suse list Any suggestions for how I might run a "Hotmail" online email type of service from our Linux box. Are there any programs out there already set up to do this sort of thing ? Our school is soon to have a permanent in and out connection so this becomes an attractive option to offer our own pupils and FPs. Best regards Alan Craig PT CDT Aberdeen Grammar School

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Email server
by Mark Evans 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

> > mpe(a)st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk said: > > Unfortunatly there is a lack of Windows or X11 based mail programs > > which can read maildir format. Even though it is ideal for network > > workstations. > > There are a few around - well Unix/X11 ones, no windows ones I know of. Interesting, could you give some pointers? > However if you run both the courier-imap and sqwebmail, you can then > read through the web or using any imap enabled client (including > outlook and netscape). The advantage of a program which simply looks in ~/Maildir is that it dosn't need the user to either enter or store passwords. They just run the program and it looks at the files. Web and IMAP make more sense, IMHO, where the machine dosn't have access to the relevent files directly (as either ~/Maildir or X:\Maildir, maildir was designed to cope with NFS, it manages just as well with SMB/CIFS). e.g. from home... > If you add maildrop to the mix, you can then also do mail filtering on > delivery, and whats more sqwebmail gives you a web GUI for editing your > mail filters. Or rather it would if I had time to get the latest version set up... -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] fastest printer sharing?
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

>> 1. Attached to an old 486 (or whatever) running as a dedicated Linux box > That'll work, assuming the printer is supported by Ghostscript. I presume > you'd be reasonably familiar with your printer configuration tool of choice. If you are only printing from windows, you could also configure a 'raw' printing device, and install the printer drivers on windows as usual. This way you get all the usual bells and wistles at the Windows end, and Linux does nothing but pass anything it gets over the network on to the printer. Linux does not need to support the printer at all in this case. I think you can get Samba to 'serve up' the printer driver to the Windows boxes too - making management of updates/etc easier - but have not done this myself ... Kevin.

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fastest printer sharing?
by James H. Carter & Cybèle de Jong 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Best way to share a printer on a SAMBA network of Win98 machines????? 1. Attached to an old 486 (or whatever) running as a dedicated Linux box 2. Shared from one of the networked Win98 machines 3. Any other ideas? James Carter

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SUSE 7.1
by Azrael Angel Of Death 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Hey, just spotted http://www.suse.com/us/suse/news/PressReleases/SuSE_Linux_7_1.html all about SUSE 7.1 coming out in Feb. 'SuSE Linux 7.1 Ships with Kernel 2.4 on February 12' Was wondering about the implications of updating current SUSE 7 servers to SUSE 7.1 Richard, with kernel 2.4 this'll have the replacement for ipchains in it, won't it? What's your advice on firewalling? Stick with 7 and ipchains, or wait for 7.1 and kernel 2.4's replacement for ipchains (name of which I can't recall off top of head). --Azrael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Access web pages via ISDN router
by dhamilton 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

I'm a newbie at this so apologies for the simple question. I've installed Suse Linux 6.4 on a RM Connect station with LILO on a floppy so I can dual boot the station. I can see the NT server ok from within Linux so the network card is set up fine. What I want to be able to do is access the web via our router. There is no proxy server on site here - we dial in to RM's proxy for web access on the Connect network. Is it Netscape that needs to be set up to do this or are there other settings necessary within Linux or both. If so, what are they? Many thanks Des Hamilton

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SUSE 7.1
by Grainge, Derek 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Are the changes from version 7 to 7.1 confined largely to the kernel and RPM - or have most applications been re-compiled due to the change in library? I am wondering how easily one can upgrade from 7 (which I bought two weeks ago...) to 7.1 by patching. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of inappropriate attachments and certain obscenities. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. ********************************************************************************

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Installing LINUX on SCSI
by adrian.wells 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

All installations that I have completed so far have been on std IDE boxes, with few if any probs (apart from Graphics and NIC). I have tried to install 6.3 6.4 & 7 of LINUX on a P166 80M ram 2x 8GB SCSI HDD 2x 4GB SCSI 1x SCSI CD-ROM, all via an Adaptec AHA-2940 (BIOS 1.23) SCSI card. I have loaded the 294x drivers after booting from FDD and then start installation. The CD is found and all goes well (although slowly!) until it stops with... "An error occurred during installation" Has anyone else had similar problems? Is there a log file that I can open with more info re the failure? The equipment was in good working order as it was a working NOVELL box. As a further measure, I am about to try Mandrake 7.1 Kind Regards Adrian Wells _______________________________________ Systems Manager Sidcot School Oakridge Lane, Winscombe, Somerset BS25 1PD. Please reply to adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk admin(a)sidcot.org.uk for general enquiries

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] 6.4 Boot Disk
by adrian.wells 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Right, I've got all sizes in all colours now! How to create Boot Disk from CD on a DOS machine. Run SETUP.EXE ! Not the first place I would have looked, something like "create floppy" would have done it for me. Easy when you know! This will allow one to create Boot, Modules and Rescue disks. Thanks all Adrian Wells ---------- > From: Roger Whittaker <roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk> > To: adrian.wells <adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk> > Cc: SuSE list <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] 6.4 Boot Disk > Date: 25 January 2001 16:44 > > I'm not quite sure what you mean: > > did you succeed in creating a boot floppy from the CD? > > > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, adrian.wells wrote: > > > I looked at the disk but couldn't see anything obvious. > > -- > Roger Whittaker > SuSE Linux Ltd > The Kinetic Centre > Theobald Street > Borehamwood > Herts > WD6 4PJ > ---------------------- > 020 8387 1482 > ---------------------- > roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk > ---------------------- >

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] A happy Squid story
by Gary Parr 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Would this then be correct.... acl public_rooms "/usr/local/squid/public_rooms" - list of ip address acl nonedsites "/usr/local/squid/nonedsites" - list of sites to ban # defining break times and games times acl am_break time MTWHF 10:55-11:10 acl lunch time MTWHF 12:10-13:05 acl pm_break time MTWHF 14:05-14:15 acl afterschool time MTWHF 15:50-16:10 # blocking freetime access in public rooms http_access deny public_rooms am_break http_access deny public_rooms lunch http_access deny public_rooms pm_break http_access deny public_rooms afterschool # http_access allow public_rooms # defining lessons times acl P1P2 time MTWHF 08:45-10:55 acl P3 time MTWHF 11:10-12:10 acl P4 time MTWHF 13:05-14:05 acl P5 time MTWHF 14:15-15:15 # block sites during lesson time http_access deny nonedsites P1P2 http_access deny nonedsites P3 http_access deny nonedsites P4 http_access deny nonedsites P5 # http_allow nonedsites So would this ban certain machines at breaks from accessing the net.. Im not to sure about the ban sites part.... im sure theres a url_regex to go in somewhere..... Gary >From: "npauli" <npauli(a)st-johns.org.uk> >To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> >Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] A happy Squid story >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:48:03 -0000 > >I don't know if Azrael has resolved his acl problems but I've just done >something vaguely similar and so far, touch wood, it seems to be working >(famous last words...) > >But before I get onto that, I noticed in my notes that on the advice of >squid.conf I uncommented the following two lines: > >acl QUERY urlpath_regex cgi-bin \? >no_cache deny QUERY > >any help? > >First off, I was having problems with people downloading MS Messenger and >getting into chat rooms, etc. So, I found out that to get it you download a >file called mmssetup.exe or, in one case only, msnsetup.exe. I then opened >/usr/local/squid/logs/access.log and used a find utilty to check out these >lines and, sure enough, they were pointing to download sites for messenger. > >So I added the following to squid.conf > ># blocking MS messenger >acl messenger1 url_regex mmssetup.exe >acl messenger2 url_regex msnsetup.exe >http_access deny messenger1 >http_access deny messenger2 > >I then did > >/usr/local/squid/bin/squid -k reconfigure >to tell squid to re-read its now altered config file. > >I then had to purge the offending setup.exe files from my cache. To do that >I had to add the following line to my squid.conf (I bunged it in under >#Defaults along with a bunch of other acls.) > >acl PURGE method purge > >Then I used the client program that comes with squid to do the dirty work. >You have to give the full url of the file you want purged - just using the >regex mmssetup.exe as you can in the acl produces a "sorry, squire" error >message. > >/usr/local/squid/bin/client -m PURGE http://full/url/mmssetup.exe > >did the business, though. [And I don't know about your mail reader but mine >insists on adding blue and underlining to that argument above.] > >Next problem. We now have network stations in the library and one classroom >that I can't keep an eye on at breaktimes. The following lines from >squid.conf deal with it. > >acl public_rooms "/usr/local/squid/public_rooms" > ># defining break times and games times >acl am_break time MTWHF 10:50-11:15 >acl lunch time MTH 12:25-13:25 >acl pm_break time MTWHF 14:30-14:50 >acl games time WF 12:25-15:50 >acl afterschool time MTWHF 15:50-16:10 > ># blocking freetime access in public rooms >http_access deny public_rooms am_break >http_access deny public_rooms lunch >http_access deny public_rooms pm_break >http_access deny public_rooms games >http_access deny public_rooms afterschool ># http_access allow public_rooms > >/usr/local/squid/public_rooms is simply a text file containing the ip >addresses of the network stations that I wanted to go 'off air' as far as >squid and the internet were concerned at the times defined in those acl >lines. Each ip address in the text file should be on its own line. >Originally I included their netmasks as well e.g. >123.14.56.48/255.255.255.192 but I later removed them. > >Okay, so I did this on a Sunday afternoon (don't forget to use linuxconf to >ensure that your squid box and the school bells agree on the time) and >Monday morning I waited to see what would happen at 10:50. Sure enough, at >that moment *every* station in the school was denied access. So I commented >out the lines I'd added, did >/usr/local/squid/bin/squid -k reconfigure >to give it back to everyone, reconsulted the FAQ and guide and decided >1. to remove the netmasks from those ip addresses, and >2. to leave everything commented out except > >acl public_rooms "/usr/local/squid/public_rooms" >acl lunch time MTH 12:25-13:25 >http_access deny public_rooms lunch > >Much better! At lunch only the correct stations went out. Since then I've >added back in the corresponding acl and http_access deny lines as each >break >comes around with no further problems. > >As my users are gratifyingly disrespectful towards authority, I can have >the >pleasurable experience of popping into my office towards the end of a break >and doing >grep -e 123.14.56.48 /usr/local/squid/logs/access.log >and gazing fondly at those lines that read TCP_DENIED/403 > >I hope someone will find this write-up handy. I'm partly doing it to teach >myself to take sufficient notes as I do new things to the network and make >changes. > >Nigel. > >Nigel Pauli - St. John's School, Northwood > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] 6.4 Boot Disk
by adrian.wells 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Thanks for these, I looked at the disk but couldn't see anything obvious. I experimented last night and managed to make a rescue disk (which appears to be useless without a boot disk!) - I am now trying to use the 6.3 Boot disk with 6.4 installation CDs. This looked like it would work at home. The Adaptec card is working (that took a long time) and the installation starts loading 'data into the ram disk' This is taking forever with no (apparent) CD access, although I have been leaving it to cook. Is this a hardware problem or is it because I am using a 6.3 boot disk & 6.4 install? About to have another go. :-) > As far as I know all Linux distros come with a means of creating a boot disc. > Many have a Dos program called rawrite. You can boot a PC into Dos mode > with CD support and then create the boot disc. Yout manual should tell you > how to do this. I do not have SuSE 6.4 but if you need more help I will look up > a few of my distros, Slackware, RedHat and SuSE and send you some example > syntax, instruction sets. > best wishes, > norman > Yes, the disk you need is on the first CD in the directory called disks. > You can transfer them to floppy using e.g. > > dd if=bootdisk of=/dev/fd0 > > or, on DOS the rawrite tool from the dosutils directory. > > Good luck.

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Hyperterminal substitute
by Giles Nunn 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Does anyone know a reliable linux substitute for hyperterminal. I have tried minicom which is ok as a terminal but has problems uploading via xmodem. One of my tasks is uploading firmare upgrades to routers and at the moment I still have to find a windows machine and run hyperterm. I do have plans to run windows via VMware for support purposes but I don't know if this will sort out my problem. ____________________________________ Giles Nunn - Network Manager Carms Schools ICT Development Centre Tel: +44 01239 710662 Fax: 710985 ____________________________________

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6.4 Boot Disk
by adrian.wells 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Roger, just about to install SuSE 6.4 on a server and found that my Bootdisk is faulty and no LINUX on this site. Is it possible for me to upload an image of the disk from the SuSE site (I've had a look), or create one from one of the CDs? The server is old with a SCSI CD that does not boot. any ideas please? Adrian

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UK Schools Howto Document
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

I have mentioned this document in the past, and am still tinkering away at it. It now has some real content, but I would like some opinions on the approach I am taking. >From discussions on this list, and from talking to people at user group meetings, there does not appear to be a single 'starting point' describing exactly where Linux can fit in today. I was hoping to provide a document that does the following: 1. List the areas where Linux can be used (eg web server, email server, etc) 2. Provide some links to information about setting up these systems (howtos, applications, etc). 3. Provide some details of 'solutions' that have been found to work from the experiences of people on this list. What I don't want to do is provide detailed technical information for these 'solutions' as that already exists elsewhere - I just want to make it easier for interested people to find this information more quickly in the first place. I have fleshed out the networking side of the document, (this is the sort of thing I know the most about), and described some of the 'one-stop' solutions to IT in schools (if you believe the hype :-) that exist (openclassroom.org, etc). Before I go any further, I would now like some opinions on whether my approach to this document is suitable or not - ie is it actually of any use ? It may be that this sort of information is best in some sort of UK Schools & Linux portal site - or maybe as a Howto document or FAQ ... not sure at the moment. The document: http://www.northants.lug.org.uk/projects/schools/ Any comments - please send on to me: kevin(a)northants.lug.org.uk I am particularly interested in comments of the form: 1. Good idea/waste of time (and why) 2. A better concept for what is needed in such a document 3. Ideas for content for the document Of course, any actual content submissions based on your experiences are welcome too. Ta, Kevin. Northants LUG kevin(a)northants.lug.org.uk

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] UK Schools Howto Document
by Azrael Angel Of Death 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

Well.. regardless of the few problems I am having with Squid, I feel from personal experience that installing a proxy server is a very good starting point. My school already has a filtered ISP service from RM and installing a local proxy on a seperate networked machine obviously couldn't affect that, but could provide us with more control and the benefits from a cache. If the machine ever fails it's a very simple matter to alter which proxy is used via a logon script, back to the RM one. We used an old machine to install SUSE and Squid on, then just plonked it on the network. Using linux for file/mail servers is a little more 'invasive' in that if things go wrong people come knocking on the door with implements of torture. As I have said before, my next step is a firewall.. that is also a very useful thing for schools that are put into the position that RM puts them of having a wide-open network with each station being visible over the internet. It does pose more of a cause for problems if things go wrong.. but still can be easily backed out without affecting the mail/file servers. So my recommendation to anyone wanting to try out Linux servers would be to get a proxy server and firewall. --Azrael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] getting rid of the tilde
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

> I wonder if somebody could help get rid of those ~ (tildes) > http://localhost/user/index.html There may be several ways to do this (I guess). I don't know if there are any apache configurations that change the character used to signify 'home' or not, but ... One way that doesn't involve the apache configuration, would be to create directories in your apaches main webspace (usually /home/httpd/html) for each user, and set the permissions so that they are world readable but 'owned' by the appropriate user. That user would be the only person permitted to write to that directory. You could then create a symlink in each users home directory as follows (for example): $ ln -s /home/httpd/html/fred /home/fred/public_html so that the user can 'see' the directory in their home space, but apache 'sees' it under the directory name within its webspace. (you could probably do it the other way round to - ie symlink out of apaches space into the users - but there are more issues doing things this way, relating to security, etc) They won't get a cgi-bin doing it this way - but they will get web space. Just a thought ... Kevin.

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getting rid of the tilde
by Russell Webley 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

I wonder if somebody could help get rid of those ~ (tildes) I have set up the per-user webspace feature of Apache. Many of my young students have great difficulty finding and operating this key - is there a way of replacing it with something else or getting rid of it? It would be much nicer to have instead of: http://localhost/~user/index.html http://localhost/user/index.html - although I can see how this would be difficult..... cheers, Russell

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] A happy Squid story
by Azrael Angel Of Death 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

It's good to hear someone can crack their problems. If I read correctly, having all the public_rooms rules in caused problems.. a question, did you have http_access allow public_rooms commented or 'alive' at the time? It could be that it needs to be there active to allow correct access at other times. And did you still have a http_access allow ALL (Or whatever it is that normally allows access.. can't recall of top of head) ?? As to my problems, they are still not resolved.. and I intend to get to the bottom of it on a weekend, stripping the squid.conf to bare bones til I see what's specifically causing a problem.. so expect me to come seeking help when I do :) Thanks however for your success story that gives me faith :) --Azrael >From: "npauli" <npauli(a)st-johns.org.uk> >To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> >Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] A happy Squid story >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:48:03 -0000 > >I don't know if Azrael has resolved his acl problems but I've just done >something vaguely similar and so far, touch wood, it seems to be working >(famous last words...) > >But before I get onto that, I noticed in my notes that on the advice of >squid.conf I uncommented the following two lines: > >acl QUERY urlpath_regex cgi-bin \? >no_cache deny QUERY > >any help? > >First off, I was having problems with people downloading MS Messenger and >getting into chat rooms, etc. So, I found out that to get it you download a >file called mmssetup.exe or, in one case only, msnsetup.exe. I then opened >/usr/local/squid/logs/access.log and used a find utilty to check out these >lines and, sure enough, they were pointing to download sites for messenger. > >So I added the following to squid.conf > ># blocking MS messenger >acl messenger1 url_regex mmssetup.exe >acl messenger2 url_regex msnsetup.exe >http_access deny messenger1 >http_access deny messenger2 > >I then did > >/usr/local/squid/bin/squid -k reconfigure >to tell squid to re-read its now altered config file. > >I then had to purge the offending setup.exe files from my cache. To do that >I had to add the following line to my squid.conf (I bunged it in under >#Defaults along with a bunch of other acls.) > >acl PURGE method purge > >Then I used the client program that comes with squid to do the dirty work. >You have to give the full url of the file you want purged - just using the >regex mmssetup.exe as you can in the acl produces a "sorry, squire" error >message. > >/usr/local/squid/bin/client -m PURGE http://full/url/mmssetup.exe > >did the business, though. [And I don't know about your mail reader but mine >insists on adding blue and underlining to that argument above.] > >Next problem. We now have network stations in the library and one classroom >that I can't keep an eye on at breaktimes. The following lines from >squid.conf deal with it. > >acl public_rooms "/usr/local/squid/public_rooms" > ># defining break times and games times >acl am_break time MTWHF 10:50-11:15 >acl lunch time MTH 12:25-13:25 >acl pm_break time MTWHF 14:30-14:50 >acl games time WF 12:25-15:50 >acl afterschool time MTWHF 15:50-16:10 > ># blocking freetime access in public rooms >http_access deny public_rooms am_break >http_access deny public_rooms lunch >http_access deny public_rooms pm_break >http_access deny public_rooms games >http_access deny public_rooms afterschool ># http_access allow public_rooms > >/usr/local/squid/public_rooms is simply a text file containing the ip >addresses of the network stations that I wanted to go 'off air' as far as >squid and the internet were concerned at the times defined in those acl >lines. Each ip address in the text file should be on its own line. >Originally I included their netmasks as well e.g. >123.14.56.48/255.255.255.192 but I later removed them. > >Okay, so I did this on a Sunday afternoon (don't forget to use linuxconf to >ensure that your squid box and the school bells agree on the time) and >Monday morning I waited to see what would happen at 10:50. Sure enough, at >that moment *every* station in the school was denied access. So I commented >out the lines I'd added, did >/usr/local/squid/bin/squid -k reconfigure >to give it back to everyone, reconsulted the FAQ and guide and decided >1. to remove the netmasks from those ip addresses, and >2. to leave everything commented out except > >acl public_rooms "/usr/local/squid/public_rooms" >acl lunch time MTH 12:25-13:25 >http_access deny public_rooms lunch > >Much better! At lunch only the correct stations went out. Since then I've >added back in the corresponding acl and http_access deny lines as each >break >comes around with no further problems. > >As my users are gratifyingly disrespectful towards authority, I can have >the >pleasurable experience of popping into my office towards the end of a break >and doing >grep -e 123.14.56.48 /usr/local/squid/logs/access.log >and gazing fondly at those lines that read TCP_DENIED/403 > >I hope someone will find this write-up handy. I'm partly doing it to teach >myself to take sufficient notes as I do new things to the network and make >changes. > >Nigel. > >Nigel Pauli - St. John's School, Northwood > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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A happy Squid story
by npauli 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

I don't know if Azrael has resolved his acl problems but I've just done something vaguely similar and so far, touch wood, it seems to be working (famous last words...) But before I get onto that, I noticed in my notes that on the advice of squid.conf I uncommented the following two lines: acl QUERY urlpath_regex cgi-bin \? no_cache deny QUERY any help? First off, I was having problems with people downloading MS Messenger and getting into chat rooms, etc. So, I found out that to get it you download a file called mmssetup.exe or, in one case only, msnsetup.exe. I then opened /usr/local/squid/logs/access.log and used a find utilty to check out these lines and, sure enough, they were pointing to download sites for messenger. So I added the following to squid.conf # blocking MS messenger acl messenger1 url_regex mmssetup.exe acl messenger2 url_regex msnsetup.exe http_access deny messenger1 http_access deny messenger2 I then did /usr/local/squid/bin/squid -k reconfigure to tell squid to re-read its now altered config file. I then had to purge the offending setup.exe files from my cache. To do that I had to add the following line to my squid.conf (I bunged it in under #Defaults along with a bunch of other acls.) acl PURGE method purge Then I used the client program that comes with squid to do the dirty work. You have to give the full url of the file you want purged - just using the regex mmssetup.exe as you can in the acl produces a "sorry, squire" error message. /usr/local/squid/bin/client -m PURGE http://full/url/mmssetup.exe did the business, though. [And I don't know about your mail reader but mine insists on adding blue and underlining to that argument above.] Next problem. We now have network stations in the library and one classroom that I can't keep an eye on at breaktimes. The following lines from squid.conf deal with it. acl public_rooms "/usr/local/squid/public_rooms" # defining break times and games times acl am_break time MTWHF 10:50-11:15 acl lunch time MTH 12:25-13:25 acl pm_break time MTWHF 14:30-14:50 acl games time WF 12:25-15:50 acl afterschool time MTWHF 15:50-16:10 # blocking freetime access in public rooms http_access deny public_rooms am_break http_access deny public_rooms lunch http_access deny public_rooms pm_break http_access deny public_rooms games http_access deny public_rooms afterschool # http_access allow public_rooms /usr/local/squid/public_rooms is simply a text file containing the ip addresses of the network stations that I wanted to go 'off air' as far as squid and the internet were concerned at the times defined in those acl lines. Each ip address in the text file should be on its own line. Originally I included their netmasks as well e.g. 123.14.56.48/255.255.255.192 but I later removed them. Okay, so I did this on a Sunday afternoon (don't forget to use linuxconf to ensure that your squid box and the school bells agree on the time) and Monday morning I waited to see what would happen at 10:50. Sure enough, at that moment *every* station in the school was denied access. So I commented out the lines I'd added, did /usr/local/squid/bin/squid -k reconfigure to give it back to everyone, reconsulted the FAQ and guide and decided 1. to remove the netmasks from those ip addresses, and 2. to leave everything commented out except acl public_rooms "/usr/local/squid/public_rooms" acl lunch time MTH 12:25-13:25 http_access deny public_rooms lunch Much better! At lunch only the correct stations went out. Since then I've added back in the corresponding acl and http_access deny lines as each break comes around with no further problems. As my users are gratifyingly disrespectful towards authority, I can have the pleasurable experience of popping into my office towards the end of a break and doing grep -e 123.14.56.48 /usr/local/squid/logs/access.log and gazing fondly at those lines that read TCP_DENIED/403 I hope someone will find this write-up handy. I'm partly doing it to teach myself to take sufficient notes as I do new things to the network and make changes. Nigel. Nigel Pauli - St. John's School, Northwood

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ISA scsi card
by Dan Kolb 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, john kinchin wrote: > the model is an adaptec 1520B Then try "modprobe aha152x" or "modprobe aha152x.o". If it works, it should come up with a bit of blurb. Then run "modprobe sr_mod" or "modprobe sr_mod.o". This should put support in for SCSI CD-ROM drives. Then mounting them is as easy as "mount /dev/scd? <mountpoint>". Dan -- dankolb(a)ox.compsoc.net Oxford University Computer Society Secretary --I reserve the right to be completely wrong about any comments or opinions expressed; don't trust everything you read above--

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ISA scsi card
by Grainge, Derek 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Best idea would be to post the following here: WHich linux implementation and version? Eg Redhat 6.0, Suse 7? More recent versions contain better support for oddball SCSI cards. Make and model of SCSI card. ... so others can stick in their tuppence worth. Then search redhat and suse websites, and linux.org, linuxdoc.org etc etc. for references to your card. Been there? -----Original Message----- From: john kinchin [mailto:ajkinchin@physicist.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 22 January 2001 19:17 To: Grainge, Derek Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ISA scsi card Hi the scsi card is not detected. The hard drives will remain but the scsi card will be used to provide a CDROM server for the network. I will boot from the IDE drives as normal. I also hae a scsi tape backup and CDR so I will want to use these hope you can help John. -- ******************************************************************************** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of inappropriate attachments and certain obscenities. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster(a)wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. ********************************************************************************

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NCP mounts
by Derek Harding 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Hi folks, Help please: I wish to mount to Netware 4 servers. slist shows the servers (and IPX is correctly configured) and the mount starts but returns with "unknown NDS error -632" The Novell pages aren't too helpful. I have mounted them successfully last year but the ICT teacher did some (unknown) work on the servers before he left in July and I haven't been mounted since!!! Any ideas? P.S. please send a separate reply since the mailing list goes to home not school yet. -- Best wishes, Derek Harding, (BA MIAP) ICT & Network Manager hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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ISA scsi card
by john kinchin 21 Jan '01

21 Jan '01

Any suggestions on how to install an ISA scsi card without having to reinstall linux?? I have just been given one and would like to use it with three external SCSI CDROMS to provide a bank of shareable CD's on the network. HELP ps I am an enthuiastic amateur so go slowly thanks John Kinchin

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Re:Double Entry Book Keeping
by suse＠glanymor.carms.sch.uk 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

Thanks for all the suggestions. What's the minimum spec I would need for a standalone NIS server? Would this approach allow clients (all Win9X and NT) to change their passwords in a similar way to samba or would all password changes need to be made centrally(so to speak)? Mike Rees Ysgol Glanymor School Heol Elfed Burry Port Llanelli SA16 0AL

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BETT comments - lets be fair!
by adrian.wells 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

Hi mark, My reply was to the questions, not you, please don't be offended, but your probably right about me being a bigot. I'm sure that the NME would agree with you! And I think that I agree with most of what you have now said. But a few of points. 1) Sorry that you don't support Charset iso-8859-1 (why not, your using LINUX aren't you? So tweak it!) (Charsets are never an issue on my crappy old 98m/c here) - I have never had Netscape on the LINUX box display anything big enough to read at less than a foot from the screen! - how DO you do that? 2) An observation, it's always the beleaguered that whine. Windows users don't harp on about other OS, but everyone has a pop at windows. You have to admit that most PC users on the planet use windows and whether they are sheep or flies has no bearing, the machines work for them, so there MUST be something to be leant here, sticking your head in the sand or pointing out the bad things doesn't help. - or maybe it could, see below. 3) I'm not a great fan of windows per sa 4) I think that the ratio of administrators to users is in the users favour. 5) Yes windows is a waste of time as a workstation, especially in a school. 6) Pressing return during an installation is hardly taxing on the grey matter, even if you have to run around fifty machines once in a blue moon, but in any case many set-up script files can be modified - if your very keen. Sometimes I give the user choices when installing my software, sometimes I force the issue. It installs either way, no need to find who complied the OS etc. it just works. 7) you may have realized that by now I'm not a fan of thin client either! So, lets have a list on a postcard of 5 things in LINUX that sucks and 5 things in other OS that are groovy, put them all together and improve LINUX even more and make it a real rival for those other OS out there. I'll try to start it off (in no particular order.) LINUX Bad bits. 1) Hard to find installed apps. (what does "Find Apps" do anyway?) 2) messy config. files. 3) Installing Apps - what a palaver! 4) Almost too flexible - hence doz. of different flavours ( this can/will cause fracture ). 5) Too many unnecessary user settings - Most things don't work because you forgot to set xyz or point this at that - that's why I have a computer, to do the bits that I shouldn't have to worry about. - This really should be catered for by the person writing the software, not the installer! Other OS good bits. 1) circa Win95 help files. These are brill. 2) MAC, Win etc. app installation. 3) Initial support for new technology by industry. 4) Ease of installing out of the box. 5) MAC, WIN, confidence from users, purchasers and business in general. PS I thought MACs were the way to go when I had a classic II, but they have stagnated. Modern MACs are just fast, coloured classics in see-through boxes. At least Windows machines have evolved. ---------- > From: Mark Evans <mpe(a)st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk> > To: Adrian Wells <adrian-wells(a)175-nbr.freeserve.co.uk> > Cc: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BETT comments - lets be fair! > Date: 18 January 2001 07:32 > > [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > I'd like to take issue if I may, let's be fair! > > > > > > > > good enough to share a corner with SuSE so I suppose we can > > > > say they support the concept! So where was Applix even if it > > > > does only seem to spell in Ameriglish; the only Corel Office > > > > was for 'doze, virtually nothing was web-based and many stands > > > > said, "the government don't specify it and none of the schools > > > > are asking for it." > > > That's the commercial world for you only supplying what people ask for! :-) > > Or maybe people only ask for something they know a supplier supplys, > or suppliers only keep records of equiries of things they supply. > > > > > > Often a lot of the Windows stuff is a pig to deploy on networks > > > too. i.e. you get told things to the effect of "we don't know > > > what needs changing in C:\WINDOWS to get the program to work, > > > but it's *easy* to just run the install program on every machine". > > Yep! you just run setup and off it goes. sometimes you need to restart the > > computer afterwards. Too easy by far. I suppose that you could write a batch > > file, as I did on our Novell server, and low, every machine that needed the > > program to be loaded got it, I only had to switch it on. Wow, that was hard! > > So how do you get a batch file to supply the user input which SETUP.EXE > is now sat there waiting for? The basic assumption of Windows setup > programs is that someone, who knows what they are doing, is sat in front > of the machine... > > > > > (Let alone such stupidity as programs which need write access > > > to files to be able to open them.) > > That IS silly! :-) > > It's a consequence of software producers only testing their software > on stand alone machines. Remember that with commercial software, especially > where there is some kind of "captive market", quality control isn't > high on the list of priorities. > > > >(IME with the latter catagory often the software > > > vendor dosn't have much of a clue about how Windows works in the > > > first place.) > > Don't know what IME means but... > > I bet your wife makes sure that you have a nice crisp white shirt ready to > > I'm not married, so your bigoted analogy breaks anyway. > > > wear every morning and yet has no idea how the washing machine works, what > > chemicals are in the soap or what that triangle sign in the collar of the > > shirt really means. The workings SHOULD be transparent, that's progress. > > A better analogy would be a car (or for that matter washing machine) > manufacture who didn't supply service manuals. > > > > > > > So, how about making a point of enquiring loudly if the stands > > > > are supporting open-source (they often haven't got a clue!) > > > > when some piece of useful software catches your eye? Becta was > > > > encouraging in their support for multi-platform approaches but > > > > Capita (SIMS/EMS) 1) didn't know what I was talking about and > > > > then 2) when someone did they don't expect to make any changes. > > > > > That's interesting. When did you ask them this? Since I spoke > > > to them of Thursday complaining about their effectivly forcing > > > the use of Windows NT for the next version of SIMS. > > > The idea that the "S in "SQL" is "standard" appears to be beyond > > > people... > > > (Managed to get them to admit that their being a "Microsoft > > > Solutions Provider" might render them less that impartial.) > > They also ACTUALLY force one to use NT for mentor3 and capita are very keen > > on Fox Pro and have no idea what SQL is 'cus they don't use it! > > Also (by the way), Capita will not support 98 workstations but do support > > 95! even though they're more stable, and tell customers all sorts of scare > > stories (we've never had any probs.) > > > > okay that's enough ranting, off to hear my boy read now. > > > > Oh, sorry, there was a point, LINUX and windows ARE different, but as far as > > non technical users are concerned, LINUX has miles to go before it is easy > > to use, it's moving fast, but still has a way to go. > > So far as *SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS* are concerned (which is what the original > post was about) Windows has light years to go before it is as simple > and straightforward as Linux. > > Even the oft repeated claim about Windows being easier to use, is suspect. > Since Windows allows (even expects) non technical users to perform system > administration tasks. (As well as doing a great many things which baffle > the same people who which it is supposedly "easy to use". e.g. forgetting > about network printers at random, remembering old passwords afther they > have been changed, spewing up CPU registers in hex, etc.) > Whilst Windows might be a good choice for the average, end user administered, > "home" machine. Put it on a network with a system administrator and it > becomes less than ideal. Indeed abilities such as the easy end user install > of software then become a liability. > > -- > Mark Evans > St. Peter's CofE High School > Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 > Fax: +44 1392 204763 >

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Double Entry Book Keeping
by SuSE 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

Hi In school we have two linux servers running suse 6.3. One is being used as a fileserver and squid proxy for staff the other is a squid proxy for students and mailserver for the whole school. At the moment I have to create and mirror the username and password for each new (staff) user on both machines so that they can access files and email with the same name and password. What I'd like to know is there a (simple!!) way of creating/updating user details on one machine in sync with details on another machine?...or am I just being lazy! TIA Mike Rees Systems Manager Ysgol Glanymor School Heol Elfed Burry Port Llanelli SA16 0AL Tel 01554 832507 Fax 01554 836110 mike(a)glanymor.carms.sch.uk

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useradd newbie -g students
by Russell Webley 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

I have a related question to Mikes... My school runs a centralized database that contains the names of every student and member of staff.... Is there a way to use a text file to automatically generate users? The database is capable of generating unique names and passwords. We have a linux box running apache to provide webspace for each student... adding everyone through the command line or linuxconf would be a real pain.... cheers, Russell

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Newbie - Network setup problems
by Edgehill E-Mail Service 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

Strangely, I tried 3com 509c's under Linux some time ago. They have never been the same since :( I'm not sure if the problem is in the set-up or the card, but I had the same response from my own system. I ended up using VIA-Rhine PCI cards instead. Regards, Paul. <SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net> ICT Manager Edgehill College Bideford -------------------------------------------------------------- Legal Advisory: Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. --------------------------------------------- You are warned that all electronic communications are subject to interception for regulatory, quality control and crime detection purposes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edgehill IT Department Email Service. Please check sender's address from body of Message for return address. Find us at: www.edgecoll.clara.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- > From: acraig <acraig(a)grammar.org.uk> > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Newbie - Network setup problems > Date: 18 January 2001 15:56 > > Hi folks > > Setting up new machine and new install of linux. > > Set up minimal install. > Used Yast to set up IP address / gateway. > Used Hard config to specify network card type (3Com 3C509) > > Tried to ping IP address - "Network unreachable" > Tried rebooting to see if all programs needed would be run > next time round - still no good. > > > Any suggestions (or pointers to suitable (easy) text) > > > Many thanks > > Best regards > Alan Craig > PT CDT > Aberdeen Grammar School >

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RM and Linux
by Edgehill E-Mail Service 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Just a thought... take a look at: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.rmplc.co.uk Mark New, Assistant Admin <mnew-it(a)edgecoll.clara.net> Edgehill College -------------------------------------------------------------- Legal Advisory: Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. --------------------------------------------- You are warned that all electronic communications are subject to interception for regulatory, quality control and crime detection purposes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edgehill IT Department Email Service. Please check sender's address from body of Message for return address. Find us at: www.edgecoll.clara.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Newbie - Network setup problems
by acraig 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Hi folks Setting up new machine and new install of linux. Set up minimal install. Used Yast to set up IP address / gateway. Used Hard config to specify network card type (3Com 3C509) Tried to ping IP address - "Network unreachable" Tried rebooting to see if all programs needed would be run next time round - still no good. Any suggestions (or pointers to suitable (easy) text) Many thanks Best regards Alan Craig PT CDT Aberdeen Grammar School

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SIMS replacement
by Derek Harding 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

I haven't really looked much but http://www.dfee.gov.uk/ims has some info. -- Best wishes, Derek Harding, (BA MIAP) ICT & Network Manager hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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Sendmail Configuration
by Matt Hinds 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me in sorting out a sendmail configuration problem. Currently we have one mailbox at our ISP (multi-drop) with which we use fetchmail to retrieve the mail and sendmail to distribute to the appropriate users. However I've noticed that when users sign up to distribution lists their e-mail address is not recognised and instead it get's delivered to the root mailbox. Is there anyway of resolving this and getting the address parsed correctly? I've noticed in the mail headers the users e-mail address is documented (in the form <extra information>-<username>=<domain name>)), is it possible to parse this somehow with a rule? If so where does this go? Cheers, Matt Hinds ICT Systems Manager Heworth Grange Comprehensive School Tel: +44 (191) 420 2204 Fax: +44 (7092) 029 624 Mobile: +44 (7803) 589 722

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Sendmail Configuration
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

> Is there anyway of resolving this and getting the address parsed correctly? This would also be a problem with bcc: email too. This is why the fetchmail FAQ recommends that you don't use it (although this states that you will lose email - when you actually just end up with it being delivered to the default user ...) There is a work around but it is a real pain - if you have specific users that subscribe to different mailing lists, then you could put a fetchmail line in which states (for example) suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com is 'my address' here (forget the syntax, but you get the idea :-) Told you it was not nice. The only solution that I know of, is to get your ISP to insert some kind of 'envelope' header, which lists the real recipient of the email. Fetchmail then knows who to send the email to every time. This is what uklinux.net do - and how I handle multidrop email on my Linux box at home. I believe freeserve may do it too .. not sure. Some ISPs won't do this as it has privacy issues - there is now a record of the bcc address in the email headers, etc. If you forward me an email (or view the email headers yourself) I could have a look for you ... Kevin.

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SQL
by Royal Latin School 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

I'm sure I missed the point somewhere in the arguements, but doesn't the 'S' in SQL stand for Structured? Robb Bloomfield, RLS Network Administrator

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I have a Squid issue...
by Azrael Angel Of Death 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Could anyone advise me on the following problem. I have this in my squid.conf acl schoolhours time MTWHFA 08:30-18:00 acl lessons time MTWHFA 09:00-11:10 acl lessons2 time MTWHFA 11:30-13:00 acl lessons3 time MTWHF 14:00-15:30 acl badURL url_regex -i "/usr/local/squid/etc/badwords.ban" acl banned dstdomain "/usr/local/squid/etc/domains.ban" acl bannedip dst "/usr/local/squid/etc/ips.ban" acl email dstdomain "/usr/local/squid/etc/email.ban" acl files urlpath_regex -i "/usr/local/squid/etc/files.ban" http_access deny all banned http_access deny all bannedip #http_access deny all badURL #http_access deny all files #http_access deny all email http_access deny all email schoolhours #http_access deny all email lessons #http_access deny all email lessons2 #http_access deny all email lessons3 http_access allow all And things work fine. But when I un-comment the badURL and files http_access lines I suddenly get problems on various other sites. eg search.yahoo.com to which I attribute the problem to be the search parameters including ? and other weird characters. Another problem is the msn page (after logging out of hotmail) if you hit the hotmail link it takes you to a page of: http://msn.co.uk/redir.asp?STARTID=TAB_HOTMAIL&URL=http://www.hotmail.com that seems to hit the filter :/ But these should be unrelated to the 'badURL' and 'files'. badURL (badwords.ban) = ^http://*xxx* ^http://*eggs* ^http://*sausages* ^http://*bacon* ^http://*education* (we don't like breakfast of learning at this place.. honest) files (files.ban) = \.exe$ \.zip$ \.com$ \.mp3$ \.wav$ Now.. to the questions. Is there something wrong with the definitions in the fiules and the definition of the file contents in the acl declaration? Why am I seeing problems on other pages?? Many thanks --Azrael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Ofset
by Roger Whittaker 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Don't worry - I didn't say OFSTED. http://www.ofset.org/freeduc/ - a list of educational software ... I haven't looked at any of them yet, but people might be interested. -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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BETT comments
by Derek Harding 18 Jan '01

18 Jan '01

Hi, What did I think of BETT? The only open-source was SuSE (thanks Roger) and TurboLinux that I found although I understand I might have missed a stand. Texas Instruments are looking actively at producing a version of their TIinteractive for Linux and IBM via-voice is available in Ameringlish and in the US. They were good enough to share a corner with SuSE so I suppose we can say they support the concept! So where was Applix even if it does only seem to spell in Ameriglish; the only Corel Office was for 'doze, virtually nothing was web-based and many stands said, "the government don't specify it and none of the schools are asking for it." So, how about making a point of enquiring loudly if the stands are supporting open-source (they often haven't got a clue!) when some piece of useful software catches your eye? Becta was encouraging in their support for multi-platform approaches but Capita (SIMS/EMS) 1) didn't know what I was talking about and then 2) when someone did they don't expect to make any changes. I want to develop an entirely open-source learning environment to demonstrate to the school that we can lose MS products for a great deal of the curriculum, particularly business studies and CDT - any suggestions of good software and, especially, any replacements for SIMS which have at least as much functionality? -- Best wishes, Derek Harding, (BA MIAP) ICT & Network Manager hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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Re: OS "SIMS" development
by Derek Harding 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

This follows someone else's response but I've lost the original so I've lost the thread. Not unusual for a hectic Spring Term! > Nobody wants to use a locally developed solution because they don't >understand it > No Support. > The 'If you've developed it and you leave we're cream-krackered' worry. Absolutely spot on with that observation - I'm getting exactly the same as soon as I say "Linux Workstation" They're happy about servers and networks (which can be as in-house as I like) but not what they press the keys on. > > The problems are not related to the inability of the software or the > programmers to carry out the task but to a percieved lack of support - > while I can operate quite happily from this list not many others can. > Usually teachers don't want to know anything about systems other than > Microsoft (though I'm changing that with Linux and Mac OS!) - I had one > hell of a job convincing our staff to use Lotus Smartsuite rather than > MS Office despite Lotus' advantages! > Again, I agree about the change of software. I had an IT teacher say, "It would be brilliant to run Linux, Publisher wouldn't keep crashing." !*#! > If we want to develop a SIMS/Key Solutions 'look alike' I'm happy to > throw my lot into the fray with any other interested parties BUT we will > need to overcome the above perceived problems AND should spend some time > asking School Admin Staff what they want from such a system (as they are > the ones who usually end up managing the software anyway!). There I meet less opposition, probably because SIMS is so poor. The look-alike is important, though, because of learning curves and confidence. One of the problems will be using the DRS OMR machines because DRS have no plans to release the comms language ("We're not ready for open source yet," they said at BETT). Postgres has more kudos as being "real" while mysql is seen as being "shareware". > If we're going to do this though, let's operate to some sort of agreed > standard for describing the database and other software associated with > it - I try(???) to work to SSADM V4 but don't always succeed/ Here, here too. I must admit I've largely given up trying 'cos I never get the time! -- Best wishes, Derek Harding, (BA MIAP) ICT & Network Manager hardingd(a)warlingham.surrey.sch.uk

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RM web sites (was: BETT comments)
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

> Though you might like to check out what Netcraft has to say about > www.rmplc.co.uk Although this redirects you through to www.eduweb.co.uk which is IIS/NT ... and appears to use .asp quite a bit. www.rm.com is Linux though. Kevin.

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Squid don't 2
by ptaylor 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

A number might help? 01722-323431 Cheers, Paul Taylor

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Squid again
by ptaylor 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

Thanks all: It is pretty much as Mark said that without knowing more detail it is impossible to help and I appreciate any input that was forthcoming. I think the e-mail was rather a hands in the air frsutration sort of thing. Squid has been working well for over 6 months and I managed to set it up and keep it rolling along, but whatever problem has happened has left me at the edge of my linux experience with nothing left. I have checked all files and tried everything I know (admitedly small) to no avail. I will percevere but I can see people being put off. Since schools seem to find endless money for computers and yet I can't find enough for a set of books for my year 10 GNVQ, I wonder if the £250 license for Win Proxy et al is not more of an option. At present, I am the only person in the school with an inkling of an understanding of Linux and when I am teaching, which like everyone is 3 dillion hours, problems with the Linux proxy get amplified. I am puzzled as to why a re-installation did not solve the problem though? Mark's mention of the named.conf file seems useful as that is one I overlooked. IF I get another chance I'll try that out. It was a bit of a sickener to see the Win Proxy fire straight up and I had (have) the added humiliation of using it to send this. Fear not, I will win...lin? Paul

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Squid don't fail me now
by ptaylor 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

Hi All: My squid proxy has gone south on me and nothing seems to bring it back. I even went to the extreme of re-installing SuSE7 (while saving the squid.conf file) and it still will not work. I have tried to log on (we are using dialnet as the parent) but it times out waiting for confirmation. I have messed about with the hosts and resolve files and get messages that I am not authorised to access the parent cache etc. If anyone could call me and help me out it would be much appreciated. Paul Ps This is now running through a 30 day Win Proxy software on NT so if I can't get it to work it will be the end for Linux.....

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Linux User Magazine (fwd)
by Roger Whittaker 17 Jan '01

17 Jan '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com From: Ruediger Berlich <rb(a)suse.co.uk> Cc: trevor(a)linuxuser.co.uk Subject: Linux User Magazine Trevor Parsons (trevor(a)linuxuser.co.uk) from the UK Linux User Magazine is interested in a case study about a UK school running Linux. I would like to invite you to contact him directly, if you would like to report about the usage of Linux in your schools. Everybody : have a good day ! Kind Regards, Ruediger Berlich Managing Director -- SuSE Linux Ltd. rb(a)suse.co.uk The Kinetic Centre http://www.suse.co.uk Theobald Street Tel: +44 (0)20 8387 4088 Borehamwood, WD6 4PJ UK Fax: +44 (0)20 8387 4010

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Suse list
by Chris Heaton 16 Jan '01

16 Jan '01

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Schools Admin Software (BETT Comments)
by Alan Harris 16 Jan '01

16 Jan '01

Hi all, Looking at this debate with great interest - I'd love to develop a SIM's alternative using open source software. I've done some work using Postgres on an ancient 486DX/100 running under SuSE 6.4 which worked nicely. I'd love to go further but have run into the following problems (not software related) :- Nobody wants to use a locally developed solution because they don't understand it No Support. The 'If you've developed it and you leave we're cream-krackered' worry. The problems are not related to the inability of the software or the programmers to carry out the task but to a percieved lack of support - while I can operate quite happily from this list not many others can. Usually teachers don't want to know anything about systems other than Microsoft (though I'm changing that with Linux and Mac OS!) - I had one hell of a job convincing our staff to use Lotus Smartsuite rather than MS Office despite Lotus' advantages! If we want to develop a SIMS/Key Solutions 'look alike' I'm happy to throw my lot into the fray with any other interested parties BUT we will need to overcome the above perceived problems AND should spend some time asking School Admin Staff what they want from such a system (as they are the ones who usually end up managing the software anyway!). My interest lies in using Postgres and Perl, however most of the avilable information refers to MYSQL and PHP. A school admin system should ideally be able to be operated via the command line, a text interface of some kind (hence Perl) and a web browser based interface (using PHP / Perl CGI). I like Postgres for two reasons - it has transaction processing and stored procedures, it's also relatively easy to administer. If we're going to do this though, let's operate to some sort of agreed standard for describing the database and other software associated with it - I try(???) to work to SSADM V4 but don't always succeed/ Anyway, just a few thoughts for you - if anybodys interested I'll try to get my rough notes into some sort of order and post it. Alan ----------------------------------------------------- Alan Harris Network Manager Bryngwyn School Tel : 01554 750661 Fax : 01554 758255 E-mail: alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch ----------------------------------------------------- Notes: 1. The contents of this email may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown purposes! Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. 2. The opinions expressed in this email are personal and may not be shared by Bryngwyn School. -----------------------------------------------------

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Router NAT IP addresses
by James H. Carter & Cybèle de Jong 15 Jan '01

15 Jan '01

Hi all Having had a system of sorts running with an internal ISDN card, decided to try the router approach. Am getting confused about what IP addresses to assign where ( at least I think that is the problem) IFCONFIG shows both eth0 (the LAN) and eth1. It shows eth0 as 192.168.1.2 as expected. It shows eth1 as 192.168.1.1 (LAN side of the card?) although I'm not sure about this because of the notes in the INternet Server black book. The router has been set up correctly (I think). I am able to use the analogue phone port in and out. I can ping both cards from the Server or from Samba clients...but can't ping the world....have done route add default gw 192.168.1.1 (is that right?)..........What else ???needs doing.???? James Carter IT coordinator South Lee School

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] firewall
by Azrael Angel Of Death 15 Jan '01

15 Jan '01

>From: Simon Kelsall <simon(a)kelsall.net> >To: "Azrael Angel Of Death" <psuedo_azrael(a)hotmail.com> >CC: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com >Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] firewall >Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:23:35 +0000 > >On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:01:45 , you wrote: > >> My proposal to the list is: > >> If anyone else needs a firewall I'll pass on any useful details I come > >> accross, and if anyone else has any or comes accross any would they >pass > >> them on to me? > >You should also try this site: http://lrp.steinkuehler.net/ >Good instructions and the image files let you create the disks under >Windows. > >I got the EigerStein version up and running in under 30 minutes. > >As it only needs a floppy it avoids your problems installing to the >hard disk. > >Simon. > >p.s Where in the country are you ? Looking at the site.. and I am in the UK Aren't we all? (refering to this bieng a uk-schools mailing list :) ) --Azrael _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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firewall
by Azrael Angel Of Death 15 Jan '01

15 Jan '01

Greetings to the list. Can I start by saying how much fun I had at BETT!! I can't believe how many stands had sweets, chocolate, crisps, drinks, mints.. etc I'm sure I put on several pounds! Did I mention lollies? Ooo yummy... *coughs* Oh yeah.. I liked the computer stuff too... Anyway... I wanna make a firewall and I'm guessing there might be people on the list who (1) want one too, (2) already have one. I've tried SmoothWall (www.smoothwall.org) with no success.. it's mainly a dialup firewall anyway.. but some claim success with proper networks.. (2 NICS). Anyway SmoothWall doesn't work on the machine I have available.. so I'm going to have to do it a harder way. My proposal to the list is: If anyone else needs a firewall I'll pass on any useful details I come accross, and if anyone else has any or comes accross any would they pass them on to me? First ports of call : http://www.linuxfirewall.org http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/ --Azrael (The lolly sucker) p.s. Thanks for the Geeko badge Roger :) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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RE: Linux for Acorns / BETT
by marknew＠dnew.force9.co.uk 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

I was sure that I had seen a Linux for ARM based machines... and I had. Go to http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/ - the home page of ARM Linux. Among the machines it supports: Archimedies A5000 RiscPC RiscStation etc. (and those are the ones that I know of!) I have not tried to install this (the last time I laid eyes on an Acorn was five years ago). Looking at the installation instructions I must say that it looks complicated! By the way, RiscBSD is not Linux, it is BSD. There are differences! Mark New ----- Find me in the Edgehill College IT Department. If I'm not there, then I'm either asleep, eating or being ill. > Previous message from Malcolm Herbert > (malc(a)ngfl.gov.uk): > > hi > > you mention X servers for Acorn's, what about > Linux? and could you boot an > Acorn machine (if you had a few, like 200) as > thin clients from a > Intel-based survey? should be able to i'm sure. > seen RiscBSD, any others ? > > BETT was interesting, couple more Linux > appliances around, also Fen Systems, > a 'small' start-up offering 'middleweight' > clients (not thin). I'm running a > sweepstake for the number of academic providers > offering:- > > 1. Linux servers- > 2. Linux-based appliances > 3. Linux clients > 4. Abingdon-based companies with their own > Linux distributions :-) > > sealed bids to me by 31st January, winner gets > a copy of Red Hat 8 > > Malcolm

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X servers for Acorn
by Alan Davies 13 Jan '01

13 Jan '01

It seems to have gone very quiet on this list... I'm not sure how I missed the announcement, but Leo White has produced an EXCELLENT Xserver for Acorn which is free - I don't know if he intends it to stay free. It certainly seems better than the MIX server for PC stations. I can't see any reason to use VNC when this is available. It was a bit of a hassle make SUSE accept broadcasts for xdm (mainly because I didn't know about it) - and further problems when kdm didn't appear to work (and still doesn't) gdm works locally but not to Xserver clients - again I don't know why. -- Alan Davies Head of Computing Birkenhead School

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Proprietry formats etc.
by adrian.wells 12 Jan '01

12 Jan '01

<SNIP> > The other part this is an "RM recommendation" to "Upgrade Internet Browser > to Internet Explorer 5.5". > > Quite a few things about this seem very Windows centric... </SNIP> Interesting, since one of their techi big cheeses specifically told me NOT to upgrade, but stay with V4 of I.E. after asking if they thought it worthwhile upgrading. Adrian Wells

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BETT, Happy New Year, and forthcoming meeting
by SILCOATSIT＠aol.com 12 Jan '01

12 Jan '01

Salisbury is a bit far from West Yorkshire, isn't there anybody in Oxfordshire or Northamptonshire who could offer a venue? John Wilson IT Officer Silcoates School

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] StarOffice
by adrian.wells 12 Jan '01

12 Jan '01

Down loaded the 80+MB onto a PC :-( installation was quick but lots of errors regarding disk space (2GB free) and DLLs that would not install. Bits of it sort of run and it's quite quick on a celleron 400. Maybe I'll try the multi-part download next time. Kind Regards Adrian Wells _______________________________________ Systems Manager Sidcot School Oakridge Lane, Winscombe, Somerset BS25 1PD. Please reply to adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk admin(a)sidcot.org.uk for general enquiries

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Cups anyone?
by ptaylor 12 Jan '01

12 Jan '01

Hi All: I have recently installed CUPs (1.1.5) which seems to work quite well on the local machine using Star Office(though I'm not sure it works across SAMBA yet). However, I was trying to print from Netscape last night and it crashed everytime. The dialog comes up with Printing To: lpr, or something similar (not at my trusty Linux machine at present) and when I try it crases out the programme (6.0, 4.74 does nothing). Do I need to put in Printing To: cups? I have not printed a great deal from Netscape as I usually use KDE Explorer but Netscape shows Japanese fonts, KDE doesn't. Anyone have any ideas (apart from getting rid of my Japanese girlfriend as someone kindly sugested last time!!) Cheers, Paul

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] ssh
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 11 Jan '01

11 Jan '01

> I'm trying to set up a ssh daemon on my Suse Linux 6.3 server but I can't > seem to find it (probably being thick here), been through it seems all of > the options in YaST but blowed if I can see it - any suggestions? The first SSH has some licensing issues - I always use openssh which can be obtained from openssh.org (does rpmfind.org have SuSE rpms too ?). You need a few things - but I found that it installed quite easily on my Mandrake system from the RH rpms - I have not installed a version on a SuSE machine. Kevin.

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Attching Apple iBook's to Linux Servers
by Alan Harris 11 Jan '01

11 Jan '01

Hi All Anybody out there with experience of attching Apple iBooks to Linux based servers running SAMBA / NETATALK? Any hints / help as to how to proceed would be most welcome. Alan ----------------------------------------------------- Alan Harris Network Manager Bryngwyn School Tel : 01554 750661 Fax : 01554 758255 E-mail: alanh(a)bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch ----------------------------------------------------- Notes: 1. The contents of this email may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown purposes! Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. 2. The opinions expressed in this email are personal and may not be shared by Bryngwyn School. -----------------------------------------------------

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] BETT, Happy New Year, and forthcoming meeting
by Roger Whittaker 11 Jan '01

11 Jan '01

Salisbury is not _so_ far away and it's a lot nicer than Borehamwood ... Thanks very much for the offer - what do other people think? On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, ptaylor wrote: > Hi Roger (all): > > I would be interested in the meeting in March and if it is any better than the > SE, I could probably host something here in Salisbury as we have a nice room > with an interactive white board but numbers of Linux boxes will be rather > limited in the room as that is part of my on-going development plan. > I am trying to get to the show on Saturday so might see you then. > > Paul > > > -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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ssh
by Glenn Cameron 11 Jan '01

11 Jan '01

Hi, I'm trying to set up a ssh daemon on my Suse Linux 6.3 server but I can't seem to find it (probably being thick here), been through it seems all of the options in YaST but blowed if I can see it - any suggestions? Best Regards, -- Glenn Cameron - ICT Admin, King Henry VIII School Warwick Road, Coventry CV3 6AQ Mobile: 07949 093291 Tel: 024 7667 3442 (262) Fax: 024 7667 7456 Web: http://www.khviii.com/ ICQ#: 3303890

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BETT, Happy New Year, and forthcoming meeting
by Roger Whittaker 11 Jan '01

11 Jan '01

First: just a reminder that we're at BETT on stand E90 (we are stand partners on IBM's stand). Anyone who's visiting BETT, please drop in and see us... Happy New Year to all - as was pointed out the list's gone a bit quiet - I hope that's not a trend. I'd be very happy to see some of the new members and lurkers (I know you're out there, lurking) asking a few questions. No-one should feel intimidated just because there is some farily high-level discussion going on. I'm looking at arranging a meeting sometime in March. The aim will be to create a structure under the auspices of UKUUG for schools interested in Linux and open source more generally. (This is with my UKUUG hat on, but with SuSE's active support). Please indicate if you are interested and give preferences re venue, though I'm afraid practical considerations mean that the south-east is more likely ... If anyone can offer a venue - let me know... -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] X servers for Acorn
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 10 Jan '01

10 Jan '01

> It was a bit of a hassle make SUSE accept > broadcasts for xdm (mainly because I didn't > know about it) Have a look at http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/XDM-Xterm/ and see if this helps. (if it doesn't - let me know what it doesn't help with and I'll see what I can do :-) Kevin.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] StarOffice - Clunks and all
by Edgehill E-Mail Service 07 Jan '01

07 Jan '01

Hi, all, A happy and prosperous New Year to you all. I tried Star Office on Frankenstein-II (P133 in an original, vintage PC-Clone box). It took over an hour and a half to install. Double-clicking the desktop icon resulted in everything going s-l-o-o-o-o-w for fifteen minutes, the frame for the window appeared, and then took another eight to fill up with the Star-Office desktop. I couldn't get it to do ANYTHING! (no clunky, there ;) Exit from the program took a further twenty minutes. Do you suppose I could do with some more memory for Frankie? <laughs> he's only got 32Meg! - On a serious note, SO 5.2 works fine on anything 300MHz and over, with plenty RAM (64Meg bare minimum) - the only thing delaying my going over to it is the (slightly) idiosyncratic attitude to databases' bits 'n' pieces (queries, forms etc.) But, it's close - real close. Regards, Paul Ellison <SysAdm(a)edgecoll.clara.net> -------------------------------------------------------------- Legal Advisory: Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000. --------------------------------------------- You are warned that all electronic communications are subject to interception for regulatory, quality control and crime detection purposes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edgehill IT Department Email Service. Please check sender's address from body of Message for return address. Find us at: www.edgecoll.clara.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- > From: Adrian Wells <adrian-wells(a)175-nbr.freeserve.co.uk> > To: suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] StarOffice > Date: 21 December 2000 17:39 > > Sorry, but it's only a P1 233! > > Kind Regards > Adrian Wells > > P.S. Please use > adrian-wells(a)175-nbr.freeserve.co.uk > as the preferred address. > --------------------------------------------------------- > Contact me on... > adrian-wells(a)175-nbr.freeserve.co.uk > adrian.wells(a)sidcot.org.uk > awells(a)1way.co.uk > ICQ 10436503 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Azrael Angel Of Death" <psuedo_azrael(a)hotmail.com> > To: <suse-linux-uk-schools(a)suse.com> > Sent: Thursday 21 December 2000 13:11 > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] StarOffice > > > > > > >*smiles* Wow.. I'd love to have the powerful machine I use. > > > > Could I quickly edit my mail? Purlease???? > > > > Wow.. I'd love to have the powerful machine I use. > > ^^^ > > YOU > > > > The powerful machine _you_ use. > > > > *beats himself over the head with a stuffed Tux* > > > > --Azrael > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > >

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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Proprietry formats etc.
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 03 Jan '01

03 Jan '01

> Frontpage is easy to publish, not sure whether its > only supported by IIS, not Apache. I think there is a module for apache to support frontpage extensions (you will have to check on apache.org). I think there are some security issues, but having never used it, I don't know what they are. Kevin.

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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] TLAs
by kevin.taylor＠powerconv.alstom.com 02 Jan '01

02 Jan '01

> I have to admit that I can never remember what PCMCIA stands for PCMCIA = "People Can't reMember Computer Industry Acronyms" ... err I think ? This is why they renamed it PCCard (although no-one seems to have noticed :-) Kevin.

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Happy New Year - BETT
by Roger Whittaker 02 Jan '01

02 Jan '01

Happy New Year - hope to see many of you at BETT ... We'll be sharing stand space with IBM - visit us there. -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ ---------------------- 020 8387 1482 ---------------------- roger(a)suse-linux.co.uk ----------------------

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