[opensuse-wiki] Front Page Redesign: New Proposal
Hi, two weeks ago I promised to get more involved into the front page discussion. In order to have something to start with, I made a proposal that tries to bring the suggestions mentioned at http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/List_of_Proposal_Pages together: Splash screen for www.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html Home page for en.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html Please note that these pages have not been optimized for different browsers, yet - I have developed them on Firefox, so they are "Best viewed with Firefox" ;-) Some explanations: Splash screen: It's intended to resemble the 10.1 installation boot screen. The background image is courtesy of Jakub Steiner (thanks a lot). Home page: I picked up jdd's suggestion to simplify the navigation. The top navigation now is entirely dedicated to one topic - "Participation" in my proposal. Apart from the wiki toolbox and the language menu, the left nav now only contains one section which holds the 7-9 most important links. In moving the page's headline into the top of the page I tried to seize jdd's suggestion to make more efficient use of the space at the top of the page and to separate the logo from the left nav (to me it now looks more as being part of the top of the page rather than of being part of the left nav). The content (center) part of the page is based on Rabauke's proposal (The German Proposal). If you want to experiment with the html/css yourself, get all files from http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/ Please let me know what you think. BTW: Please note that changes within the content area only affect the home page. Changes to top nav, left nav and footer affect all wiki pages. Every link that is present on the front page (regardless where it is) also affects the wikis in other languages - it is my belief that the pages that are linked to from the homepage should be part of "must be translated" set. -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.novell.com/ "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
two weeks ago I promised to get more involved into the front page discussion. In order to have something to start with, I made a proposal that tries to bring the suggestions mentioned at http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/List_of_Proposal_Pages together:
Splash screen for www.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html
why not :-)
Home page for en.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html
this I really don't like. too many things on the same page
Home page: I picked up jdd's suggestion to simplify the navigation. The top navigation now is entirely dedicated to one topic - "Participation" in my proposal.
I think it's a bas idea to cut the links the user need in two part. Most user will simply miss one of the two ones. The top list should be moved to the sidebar. each part of the page shoul have it's own goal. one for linking to other wikis, one to link to the wiki internals, one for the news and one for catching immediately the eyes (center?) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 03:26:35PM +0200, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
two weeks ago I promised to get more involved into the front page discussion. In order to have something to start with, I made a proposal that tries to bring the suggestions mentioned at http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/List_of_Proposal_Pages together:
Splash screen for www.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html
I don't like it. See below.
Home page for en.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html
Please note that these pages have not been optimized for different browsers, yet - I have developed them on Firefox, so they are "Best viewed with Firefox" ;-)
Some explanations:
Splash screen: It's intended to resemble the 10.1 installation boot screen. The background image is courtesy of Jakub Steiner (thanks a lot).
I don't like the idea of a splash screen. I still believe that first a cookie must deal with the language. If that is not available then the browser and if that fails, then go to the en page. If anything, then "Wikipedia Like Front Page". However the moment you get to en.* or any other language, you can select it there as well, so that page would be not needed.
Home page: I picked up jdd's suggestion to simplify the navigation. The top navigation now is entirely dedicated to one topic - "Participation" in my proposal.
I liked http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html very much. It might need a bit of finetuning¹, but the general idea is very good.
Please let me know what you think.
BTW: Please note that changes within the content area only affect the home page. Changes to top nav, left nav and footer affect all wiki pages.
On the top bar I would change the order to have a more stuctured meaning. Communicate, Participate, Teams, Tasks, Projects. Disadvantage is when I look at it in 1024x786 instead of my normal 800x1600, I don't see the documentation at the right,
Every link that is present on the front page (regardless where it is) also affects the wikis in other languages - it is my belief that the pages that are linked to from the homepage should be part of "must be translated" set.
Yes. ¹Some things I would do differently: 1. A green border around the left menublock as well. 2) Put the header box, the p box and the box with the links (e.g. Getting openSUSE, the text and the links) in one box. Easier to move around to another place. The same for the 'News and dates' 'Tips and Tricks' and so on. 3) Looks as if the buttons at the top are a pixel or so larger than the gray background. 4) The font in the menu's is too small compared with the rest. As if it ain't importand. Use either a smaller font everywhere or a larger in the menu. -- The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak. -- Robert A. Heinlein in "The Man Who Sold the Moon" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 16:29, houghi wrote: Hi,
I don't like the idea of a splash screen.
well, I am double-minded on this topic. I really don't know. I just made a splash screen because it was suggested.
I still believe that first a cookie must deal with the language. If that is not available then the browser and if that fails, then go to the en page.
After almost 10 years as a "webmaster" at SUSE/Novell I can tell you that any "language magic" you put into an openSource webpage is the most evil thing you can do (next to Cookies, Javascript and Java). I tried to implement different methods for automatic language detection on www.suse.com. Each time I did it I was heavily flamed by users for doing so. The last time I remember we were accused of "browser hijacking" on, I think /. (not sure). All I did that time was evaluating $HTTP:Accept-Language and doing a redirect based on the value. So, sorry, but I will not implement _any_ language magic on opensuse.org. Just let the user decide which language he/she wants (this does _not_ imply that we need a splash screen, of course). -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.novell.com/ "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 04:55:05PM +0200, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
So, sorry, but I will not implement _any_ language magic on opensuse.org. Just let the user decide which language he/she wants (this does _not_ imply that we need a splash screen, of course).
Even though I do not agree, I understand why _you_ won't do it. Pity that the standards that are given are not allowed to be used. Not that I was just thinking of http://opensuse.org, not of any other domain. So no forwarding of en.opensuse.org to fr.opensuse.org, bceause of whatever reason. As the timeout of opensue is not very long, it can;t be set there, unfortunatly. -- The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak. -- Robert A. Heinlein in "The Man Who Sold the Moon" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 05:09:55PM +0200, houghi wrote:
Not that I was just thinking of http://opensuse.org, not of any other
This must have been "I was just thinking of ..." The above might be confusing. So to repeat and clearify: I just would do the language trick on http://opensuse.org (and www.opensuse.org) not on any other subdomain. -- The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak. -- Robert A. Heinlein in "The Man Who Sold the Moon" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
houghi wrote:
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 05:09:55PM +0200, houghi wrote:
Not that I was just thinking of http://opensuse.org, not of any other
This must have been "I was just thinking of ..." The above might be confusing.
So to repeat and clearify: I just would do the language trick on http://opensuse.org (and www.opensuse.org) not on any other subdomain.
The language automatic redirect is good for 100% monolingual people, and it is not for any other. I was probably one that was really unhappy with last language preference selection on www.novell.com (year or two ago). If it happens after descent timeout and shows message that connection will be redirected to en.opensuse.org because I'm inactive, giving a chance to select something else, than it is OK, but without chance to select anything, it is not good. I use Linux because I like a lot of options to choose from :-) -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:50:09PM -0500, Rajko M wrote:
The language automatic redirect is good for 100% monolingual people, and it is not for any other. I was probably one that was really unhappy with last language preference selection on www.novell.com (year or two ago).
The issue with Novell was that it was not obvious that you could select another language and also that there was no `en.novell.com` and `de.novell.com`. Again, I am ONLY talking about openSUSE.org, not about pointing people from en.opensuse.org to fr.opensuse.org. Anyway, the decision has been taken NOT to do it, so the point is moot. -- But I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
Frank Sundermeyer a écrit :
So, sorry, but I will not implement _any_ language magic on opensuse.org. Just let the user decide which language he/she wants (this does _not_ imply that we need a splash screen, of course).
this is good. and we need a splash screen, because: * the english wiki is _not_ equal to the others. It is musch more important (and will stay). Most development work is necessarily made in english, * however it's absolutly unfair for non english speaking people to be send to an english page * a agree with the fact that automatic redirection is evil :-() jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:37:19PM +0200, jdd wrote:
* a agree with the fact that automatic redirection is evil :-()
I completely and utterly disagree here. If my browser tells the website what language I use, why would I make the choice myself AGAIN? I have not yet heard anybody complain about google.com doing the same thing, even though I find that much more anoying, because it ignores the correct language and looks at the country. -- The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak. -- Robert A. Heinlein in "The Man Who Sold the Moon" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
houghi a écrit :
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:37:19PM +0200, jdd wrote:
* a agree with the fact that automatic redirection is evil :-()
I completely and utterly disagree here. If my browser tells the website what language I use, why would I make the choice myself AGAIN?
because here the various wikis are not the same. Langage automatic choice is nice for professional web site with exactly the same thing in any page
I have not yet heard anybody complain about google.com doing the same thing, even though I find that much more anoying, because it ignores the correct language and looks at the country.
I do -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 08:40:24PM +0200, jdd wrote:
houghi a écrit :
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:37:19PM +0200, jdd wrote:
* a agree with the fact that automatic redirection is evil :-()
I completely and utterly disagree here. If my browser tells the website what language I use, why would I make the choice myself AGAIN?
because here the various wikis are not the same. Langage automatic choice is nice for professional web site with exactly the same thing in any page
Again I talk only about http://opensuse.org, not any other page. Wether I select en, or de or fr or the browser does is no difference in content. -- The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak. -- Robert A. Heinlein in "The Man Who Sold the Moon" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
It seems that it will be very difficult to find a form that anybody like. so I want to enphasis to the following statement: I don't really mind of the form the front page have (color, size...) and I will follow any result Novell decide to use. However, I strongly think that things must be _simple_. The front page must be organised to follow the mind of the user. Most users don't care at all about the fact that the web site is a wiki. Keeping the wiki stuff on the sidebar of the front page is probably a bad idea; The interwiki links are also of little use. they are a good advertisement for the international status of openSUSE, but will probably be used one or two times only, so they could be grouped, the bottom of a short page is probably the best place. so it remains: * the relevant links to the wiki (sidebar, why split them at the top? nearly no web page uses the very top of the page for that) * the news. can be a little larger than the present size, but the width given on the example seems to me a little too much. this part is not always of a great interest * the center. Here can be a copy of the download link, because it's enough to look at the statistics to see this if far the most used page. May be we can use also this privileged part to show a "page of the month", link to a part of the wiki (different from month to month)? but I'm short on ideas for this one :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:50:07PM +0200, jdd wrote:
However, I strongly think that things must be _simple_. The front page must be organised to follow the mind of the user.
The proposed page IS simple. :-) Compare it to some other pages and it realy is.
* the relevant links to the wiki (sidebar, why split them at the top? nearly no web page uses the very top of the page for that)
Not sure what you are talking about. If you talk about the green boxes, I have seen MANY places that use such a thing. /. comes to mind. I like it.
* the news. can be a little larger than the present size, but the width given on the example seems to me a little too much. this part is not always of a great interest
The issue with the 'news' is that there is not enough of it. 2 of the 3 things on it now are a month old. That does not justify a seperate 'news' box that large. The same with upcoming events and milestones. That should be done much, much shorter. e.g. like the left menu. Although there the whisespace is too much, I think. If there is daily news, then things would be different and more space would be justified.
* the center. Here can be a copy of the download link, because it's enough to look at the statistics to see this if far the most used page.
The Download in general needs an overhawl to go faster to the actual download. Now I need to do (from the frontpage): Donwload, scroll down and read a reading a LOT to know which one is for me. Click on 10.1 and scroll down and read a LOT to know what is for me. Ver frustrating to click and scroll several times and then I might ending up with 10.2 Alpha, because I did not read properly what was going on.
From the front page, I would like to go to http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version#Downloads_SUSE_Linux_10.1 in one step. No extra clicking, no extra reading, no extra scrolling.
May be we can use also this privileged part to show a "page of the month", link to a part of the wiki (different from month to month)? but I'm short on ideas for this one :-(
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Hello, Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2006 16:55 schrieb Frank Sundermeyer:
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 16:29, houghi wrote:
I don't like the idea of a splash screen.
well, I am double-minded on this topic. I really don't know. I just made a splash screen because it was suggested.
In general, I like the idea of a splash screen to select the language. However, I would prefer to arrange the languages in a circle around the openSUSE logo instead of putting them into the corners (as proposed on http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/List_of_Proposal_Pages#Wikipedia_L... and http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Sample_Splash.png) About the colors: I like your proposal most, but would change: - the "SUSE" in "openSUSE" to the usual dark green - "Please select a language" to white (or completely remove it)
I still believe that first a cookie must deal with the language. If that is not available then the browser and if that fails, then go to the en page. [...] So, sorry, but I will not implement _any_ language magic on opensuse.org. Just let the user decide which language he/she wants
I agree that any magic based on the AcceptLanguage browser setting or alike is evil. While my browser says that I prefer german, I mostly visit en.opensuse.org because it is the most complete wiki. On the other hand, I prefer to type "opensuse.org/somepage" instead of "en.opensuse.org/somepage" in my browser (hey, I can save 3 keystrokes this way ;-) What about the following idea for www.opensuse.org: - do not do any automatic language redirect - except: if the user has actively chosen it - this means to have a "choose prefered language" page that sets a cookie _on user request_. (This cookie should only cause a redirect on www.opensuse.org, not on $lang.opensuse.org, of course.) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Das einzige Instrument, das ich beherrsche, ist MP3-Player. [Kristian Köhntopp] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On 2006-07-25 23:46:02 +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
are we putting the project into a grave or why the black background? i think the placing of the links should be doable with _html_ and _css_ the round placing will be pain in the a**. putting into the corner was an easy and nice solution imho. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-07-25 23:46:02 +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
are we putting the project into a grave or why the black background?
i think the placing of the links should be doable with _html_ and _css_ the round placing will be pain in the a**. putting into the corner was an easy and nice solution imho.
darix
And it can accept much more languages that will come in the future. The color and some minor gimmicks a la Google can be as well something that is changing with events. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Mittwoch, 26. Juli 2006 00:08 schrieb Marcus Rueckert:
On 2006-07-25 23:46:02 +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
are we putting the project into a grave or why the black background?
You just quoted too less ;-) The section where I mentioned this image was about arranging the language links, not about colors - and I never said I prefer the black background ;-)
i think the placing of the links should be doable with _html_ and _css_ the round placing will be pain in the a**. putting into the corner was an easy and nice solution imho.
Just have a look at http://wikipedia.org/ - they have positioned the language links with position:absolute (left/top with various values, specified in %). [1] Placing the links in the corners is technically easier of course, but it looks terrible IMHO. Regards, Christian Boltz [1] I did not check the full HTML source, but at least verified that positioning is done with CSS (and without tables) --
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On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 10:59:38PM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
[1] I did not check the full HTML source, but at least verified that positioning is done with CSS (and without tables)
I wish they could do that with the rest of the page as well. Works a LOT easier. It would also make it easier for people to not only selectc the languagee they prefere, but also the layout. -- houghi Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done, and why. Then do it. -- Heinlein : Time Enough For Love --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:46:02PM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:
I agree that any magic based on the AcceptLanguage browser setting or alike is evil. While my browser says that I prefer german, I mostly visit en.opensuse.org because it is the most complete wiki.
I visit that as well. As long as you visit en.opensuse.org, there should be no change.
On the other hand, I prefer to type "opensuse.org/somepage" instead of "en.opensuse.org/somepage" in my browser (hey, I can save 3 keystrokes this way ;-)
What about the following idea for www.opensuse.org: - do not do any automatic language redirect
I still would prefer it, however it has been decided not to do it.
- except: if the user has actively chosen it - this means to have a "choose prefered language" page that sets a cookie _on user request_. (This cookie should only cause a redirect on www.opensuse.org, not on $lang.opensuse.org, of course.)
I would indeed also like something like this. It must however be obvious for the user that he can easily change this setting. Preference on his user settings page perhaps? I would like another preference there as well and that is auto login on visit. Half the time I can't be botherd to change something in the wiki, because I must go through the login process. -- But I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
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two weeks ago I promised to get more involved into the front page discussion. In order to have something to start with, I made a proposal that tries to bring the suggestions mentioned at http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/List_of_Proposal_Pages together:
Splash screen for www.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html
I do not really like it. I prefer the Blue on the List_of_PRoposal_Pages, but I think it should only be given for www.opensuse.com. Once a cookie or language page has been choosen, I think the page below should be shown with out a splash page.
Home page for en.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html
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Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
two weeks ago I promised to get more involved into the front page discussion. In order to have something to start with, I made a proposal that tries to bring the suggestions mentioned at http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/List_of_Proposal_Pages together:
Splash screen for www.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html
Home page for en.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html
Please note that these pages have not been optimized for different browsers, yet - I have developed them on Firefox, so they are "Best viewed with Firefox" ;-)
Some explanations:
Splash screen: It's intended to resemble the 10.1 installation boot screen. The background image is courtesy of Jakub Steiner (thanks a lot).
Home page: I picked up jdd's suggestion to simplify the navigation. The top navigation now is entirely dedicated to one topic - "Participation" in my proposal.
Apart from the wiki toolbox and the language menu, the left nav now only contains one section which holds the 7-9 most important links.
In moving the page's headline into the top of the page I tried to seize jdd's suggestion to make more efficient use of the space at the top of the page and to separate the logo from the left nav (to me it now looks more as being part of the top of the page rather than of being part of the left nav).
The content (center) part of the page is based on Rabauke's proposal (The German Proposal).
If you want to experiment with the html/css yourself, get all files from http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/
Please let me know what you think.
BTW: Please note that changes within the content area only affect the home page. Changes to top nav, left nav and footer affect all wiki pages. Every link that is present on the front page (regardless where it is) also affects the wikis in other languages - it is my belief that the pages that are linked to from the homepage should be part of "must be translated" set.
Very nice! Clean, clear and attractive. The only suggestion I might make is to include [[openSUSE:Browse]] somewhere as a navigational entry point to the wiki. Again, nice work, thanks for the effort. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
On 7/25/06, Frank Sundermeyer <fs@suse.de> wrote: It is so easy to to critisize other people's work, so here goes...:-)
Splash screen for www.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html
First impression is that it is very green. A bit too green for my liking. Links are at extreme limits, who are they running away from?
Home page for en.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html
First impression is that there are too many green boxes, that all look the same. I think boxes are only needed to group things together. ie Probably not around headings and they are effectively at different logical levels, so perhaps change colour, width or colour intensity accordingly. I totally agree with the general idea, and it is not too dissimilar to some things that I played with a while back, although never got to a stage where I was happy enough to show anybody... I am not convinced your content layout is ideal, but that is trivial in comparison to the general look and feel, which is so subjective. Once we have a look and feel, we can make 10 variations with slightly different content and layout. You have given exactly what this topic requires, some stimulation with new ideas, which will hopefully spark more ideas, derivative and new, to bounce around. pflodo Peter Flodin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
two weeks ago I promised to get more involved into the front page discussion. In order to have something to start with, I made a proposal that tries to bring the suggestions mentioned at http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/List_of_Proposal_Pages together:
Splash screen for www.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html
Home page for en.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html
Please note that these pages have not been optimized for different browsers, yet - I have developed them on Firefox, so they are "Best viewed with Firefox" ;-)
Some explanations:
Splash screen: It's intended to resemble the 10.1 installation boot screen. The background image is courtesy of Jakub Steiner (thanks a lot).
Home page: I picked up jdd's suggestion to simplify the navigation. The top navigation now is entirely dedicated to one topic - "Participation" in my proposal.
Apart from the wiki toolbox and the language menu, the left nav now only contains one section which holds the 7-9 most important links.
In moving the page's headline into the top of the page I tried to seize jdd's suggestion to make more efficient use of the space at the top of the page and to separate the logo from the left nav (to me it now looks more as being part of the top of the page rather than of being part of the left nav).
The content (center) part of the page is based on Rabauke's proposal (The German Proposal).
If you want to experiment with the html/css yourself, get all files from http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/
Please let me know what you think.
BTW: Please note that changes within the content area only affect the home page. Changes to top nav, left nav and footer affect all wiki pages. Every link that is present on the front page (regardless where it is) also affects the wikis in other languages - it is my belief that the pages that are linked to from the homepage should be part of "must be translated" set.
Pleased. Much better than present, more content and still very readable. Now I'll have to play a little with colors, and left navigation pane. It is much easier to play with this as base. Splash can be updated with new releases to show that page is maintained and always up to date. Your idea about mandatory translations is very logical. For me the link to the page that is not translated is, in effect to visitor, similar to a broken link. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org
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