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18 Sep '12

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Makeup mirror suppliers shared photos with you
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21 Jul '12

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led display Suppliers shared photos with you
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10 Jun '12

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Re: [opensuse-networking] Closing this list down
by Alexey Eromenko 30 Oct '11

30 Oct '11

Yes, I agree to close it. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ux+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Closing this list down
by ml-admin＠opensuse.org 26 Oct '11

26 Oct '11

Hi Peepz, this list has next to no traffic for a considerable time now (close to a year!) and I would like to close it down to reduce the amount of lists. If nobody of you objects until the 15th of November 12:00 UTC I will turn it off. Thanks in advance for your consideration. Henne -- Mailing List Admin http://lists.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-ux+owner(a)opensuse.org

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yast2-gtk software manager UI call for design
by Ricardo Cruz 30 Nov '09

30 Nov '09

Hi there, Some of you guys might be interested in the ongoing discussion over Yast Gnome's software manager UI at: http://groups.google.com/group/yast2-gtk We'd be pleased to have more people on board. There is a parallel thread over opensuse-gnome. Thanks, Ricardo ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Power Outage
by ml-admin＠opensuse.org 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

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Revitalizing UX
by Billy Juliani 02 Apr '09

02 Apr '09

Hello, I have been an openSUSE user since 10.0. What made me so excited about the project was the unique desktop innovation that the was happening on the platform. Features like the slab, kickoff and compiz made suse feel years ahead of other distros. But now, three years later it seems as though very little change has taken place. It had gotten to the point that I spent the past 6 months on Windows 7, which, unlike openSUSE is making significant UX advances. Yesterday I switched back, and I have decided to dedicate myself to making openSUSE one of the best distros (UX wise). Over the coming months I plan to go through a large portion of the suse (gnome and maybe kde as well) desktop and provide feedback (including mockups, pictures, etc.) on how it can be improved. It seems other distros are becoming stagnent too, this is openSUSE's chance to take the lead in innovation. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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ping
by Sascha Manns 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

ping -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns Open-News-Network e.V. Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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test - ignore
by Siegfried Olschner 17 Nov '08

17 Nov '08

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YaST Contest - The last day to submit your ideas
by Lukas Ocilka 21 Oct '08

21 Oct '08

Hi, Today is the last day you can submit your ideas on how the YaST Mascot should look like and the YaST Mascot name. The judging will begin on October 21, and the winner will be announced on October 27. See http://en.opensuse.org/Marketing_Team/YaST_Contest for details and add your ideas to the Gallery section. Bye & Thanks Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, YaST Developer (xn--luk-gla45d) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ano, ano. Moudry rozkaz. Sam jsem nemel v tech gratulacich jasno.

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Re: [yast-devel] yast style guide effective
by Lukas Ocilka 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

Karl Eichwalder wrote: > Maybe, it is worth referencing the old "Style Guide for SUSE Program > Texts" from the YaST Stuile Guide: > > http://forgeftp.novell.com/yast/doc/SL11.0/styleguide/index.html > > I'm wondering whether we should move it from forgeftp to the > opensuse wiki... Karl, the YaST Style Guide wiki :) Copy the last 11.1 "Style Guide for SUSE Program Texts" to openSUSE wiki and link it if you want :) ;) Bye L.

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The most user-friendly and the most attractive openSUSE installer ever! First Results of the Follow-Up Usability Study - Easy Installation (openSUSE 11.0)
by Evamaria Fuchs 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

Hi all, I'd like to share my first results concerning attractiveness and user- friendliness of the openSUSE 11.0 installer - the most user-friendly and the most attractive openSUSE installer ever! See attached charts! (ranges from -3 to 3) More information on http://en.opensuse.org/UX_Team Cu Eva Evamaria Fuchs Usability Engineering evamaria.fuchs(a)novell.com

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First Results of the Follow-Up Usability Study - Easy Installation (openSUSE 11.0)
by Evamaria Fuchs 13 Aug '08

13 Aug '08

Hi all, I'd like to share my first results concerning attractiveness and user- friendliness of the openSUSE 11.0 installer - the most user-friendly and the most attractive openSUSE installer ever! See attached charts! (ranges from -3 to 3) More information on http://en.opensuse.org/UX_Team CU Eva Evamaria Fuchs Usability Engineering evamaria.fuchs(a)novell.com

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yast style guide effective
by Martin Schmidkunz 07 Aug '08

07 Aug '08

Hi everybody, finally the YaST style guide is finished and effective immediately! See: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Style_Guide So please take a look at your modules and polish them :-) As far as I can see the main issues are: * table with buttons http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Style_Guide#Table_with_Buttons * using check boxes to enable/disable things * to make ConfirmAbort look like http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Ysg_discarding_changes.png * replacing "Abort" label with "Cancel" in wizardycp Thanks a lot to everyone contributing to the style guide! Especially to Lukas and Bubli! Cu, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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yast style guide
by Martin Schmidkunz 23 Jun '08

23 Jun '08

Hi everyone, please find a new version of the YaST style guide draft at: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Ysg2.pdf The goal is to have a developer friendly style guide which ensures the greatest possible consistency between various modules and various environments. The time line for the style guide is to discuss it the next two weeks and to have an executable style guide by the end of the YaST workshop. I would like to ask and encourage you again to discuss it! What do you like? What do you dislike? What is missing? Just to come up with some points of discussion: * button labeling: OK/Cancel instead of Apply/Accept/Abort/... and Next/Back/Cancel/Finish in a wizard/add workflow I know OK/Cancel is not 100% correct but with these two labels we are consistent to GNOME HIG and KDE http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/windows-utility.html.en#expl… http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/style/dialogs/index.ht… * Progress dialogs I propose to skip the cancel button because I made the experience that in many cases the cancel button does not work * Number of steps in a wizard I propose to skip the display of "Step XX of XX" because the number of steps can not predicted in every module * colons In accordance to GNOME (http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/controls-option-menus.html.en) and KDE style guide (http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/style/basics/labels.ht…) I propose to use colons with the label of a combo box And of course there might be many more issues worth to be discussed :-) The style guide is based on the style guide in the wiki (http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Style_Guide) developed by Lukas and me and when we agreed on one version it will be published in the openSUSE wiki again. Looking forward to your opinions! Cu, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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results of hard disk configuration survey
by Martin Schmidkunz 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

Hi everybody, the results of the hard disk configuration survey are available at http://en.opensuse.org/UX#View_results_of_previous_surveys Big thanks to all of you who took the time in participating! Your answers were very helpful! Have a lot of fun, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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openSUSE hard disk configuration survey
by Martin Schmidkunz 05 May '08

05 May '08

Hi! We are currently conducting a survey about hard disk configuration. It is available via http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=lnZcsBO6PqJ9hjNW01jiyQ_3d_3d or http://en.opensuse.org/UX The survey will be online until 28th May 2008 and the results will be published on openSUSE.org as soon as possible Answering the questions will take less than five minutes. Thank you and have a lot of fun, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Screen resolutions
by Lukas Ocilka 19 Feb '08

19 Feb '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've come across a web that show a lot of data useful to the Usability Experts :) Example: Screen Resolutions for Year 2008 http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=17&qpmr=100&qpdt=1&qpct=3… 1024 x 768 44.35% 1280 x 800 14.95% 1280 x 1024 13.08% 800 x 600 6.92% 1440 x 900 5.68% 1680 x 1050 3.63% Please, keep this in mind when designing applications :) Have a nice day Lukas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHudwFVSqMdRCqTiwRAo1mAJ9b08Suimb6fd9BDJcv4LHdrq0q6ACfeZaM U5D2GW00gObd76Qwo/xUyeU= =zl5s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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redesign of printer module redesign
by Martin Schmidkunz 13 Feb '08

13 Feb '08

Hi everybody, a quite wise CUPS expert once said "exchange dungeons by trees" and that was an inspiration for me to take your feedback and make another series of mock ups: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Development/Printer_Enhancement#Release_Candida… What do you think about it? The first feedbacks revealed a great sense of confusion about the amount and design of information presented in the overview. Thats why the space acquired by help was used for an overview. (Help as such will not be dropped it will move to a button within the navigation area :-)) One thought was to hide "print via network", "sharing" and "CUPS autoconfig" under a "Settings" category, but this idea was dropped as the word "Settings" as such is quite meaningless. We also exchange "Remote Access" with "Share Printers" as this might be easier to understand. I am looking forward to your comments, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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simple-ccsm
by CyberOrg 07 Feb '08

07 Feb '08

Hello community We would like to have a simple compiz settings manager to be a default on openSUSE 11, simple-ccsm is what is developed by the upstream(Compiz Fusion) developer Marex. Please check it out and give your feedback and usability perspective. It is currently packaged in experimental git repo and installs along with Compiz Fusion packages via compiz-fusion-git 1-click install: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/cyberorg/openSUSE_10.3/comp… You may have to remove regular compiz if you have it installed. Thanks -J -- CyberOrg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [yast-devel] redesign of printer module redesign
by Martin Schmidkunz 07 Feb '08

07 Feb '08

Hi everyone! Thanks for all your comments, suggestions, criticism and acclamations! Cu, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [yast-devel] printer module redesign
by Martin Schmidkunz 06 Feb '08

06 Feb '08

Michal Svec wrote: > On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Martin Schmidkunz wrote: > I'm confused, why I'm not able to delete a remote queue? Meaning, I must > have added it before, right? AFAIK a remote queue is only broadcasted by CUPS. So I add a local queue on my machine and share it with others. So they can see and use it but they are not allowed to modify it. This makes sense for me, as I don't want other users to screw up my settings. >> * if you want to add a new queue you therefore would have click on a >> local queue to get an add button. This seemed quite unlogical to me. > > Well, the current solution might be OK, having Add/Configure/Delete where > Add would popup a list with possibilities. To add a printer you need to determine at least: * Connection * Driver * Name for the queue We decided not to do that in a pop-up, but in one screen. The reason was that with the full screen wizards in YaST the user gets easily lost. > I might be insane but I'd like to have a possibility to see everything at > once :-) Filters might help here ("limit view to only" Local etc), but > it's just an idea, let's see what others think. Well, you are the first to say that you like the overall overview :-) All the others said, that they were confused by it and liked the four tab layout best. >>> And in addition, I >>> could then reasonably select the Default printer, which I'm not sure is >>> easily doable in multi-list/tab design :) >> :-) >> Is it technically possible to select a remote queue as "default printer"? > I believe yes. Mhm. Then this would be something to be considered. Thanks for your comments, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [yast-devel] printer module redesign
by Bernhard Walle 05 Feb '08

05 Feb '08

* Klaus Kaempf <kkaempf(a)suse.de> [2008-02-05 08:55]: > > We make hundreds of thousands of openSUSE (resp. Desktop) users suffer > just to please the minority of SLES admins (who'd be better off with a > decent command line interface anyway). openSUSE is also used for servers. Bernhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [yast-devel] printer module redesign
by Martin Schmidkunz 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

Hi everyone, after the feedback I got from you, I made two new mock ups for the overview page: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Printer_mschmidkunz_overview_2tabs.png http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Printer_mschmidkunz_overview_4tabs.png I like the one with the four tabs best. This was also the conclusion drawn by our sysadmins and one of our designers. But see for yourself :-) Cu, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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style guide meeting canceled
by Martin Schmidkunz 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

Hi everyone, I am sorry, but due to my current work with the printer module I was not able to prepare anything for the style guide meeting tomorrow. So as long as anyother doesn't want to jump in (topic would be "pop ups") I say we cancel the meeting and see us on Tuesday next week. Cu, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [yast-devel] printer module redesign
by Martin Schmidkunz 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

Hi Michal, > Thanks for the mockups! Your welcome :-) It took long enough :-) > I still wonder why do we need more tabs / lists, the vast majority of > users would have just few printers (and usually only 1) for which they > IMHO don't need such a complicated UI. This is correct for the desktop user, but as the printer module should also be included in SLES we need to consider larger, complexer environments as well. > If we want to support print-servers with lots of connected printers then a > more reasonable solution could be one list, but with optional filters for > local/remote/any/whatever (which would be even more flexible for admins). Yes, we also thought about that. The point why we dropped it: * as you can't add/edit/delete a remote queue there would be different buttons needed for each queue type. This might potentially confuse the user * if you want to add a new queue you therefore would have click on a local queue to get an add button. This seemed quite unlogical to me. But maybe you have any ideas how to solve this? > Moreover, as I have few local printers and few remote I'd still like to > see them all at one place, to have a nice overview. Yes, I agree with you. The point is, that we don't know whether the user has only a few printer or whether he uses the module in a SLES environment. > And in addition, I > could then reasonably select the Default printer, which I'm not sure is > easily doable in multi-list/tab design :) :-) Is it technically possible to select a remote queue as "default printer"? Cu, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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printer module redesign
by Martin Schmidkunz 01 Feb '08

01 Feb '08

Hi everyone, as some of you may know it is now almost a year since we first try to think (again) about a redesign of the printer module. And now we are ready to present you a first release candidate :-) You find it on: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Development/Printer_Enhancement#Release_Candida… I am very happy with it as it cleans up the kerfuffle the current module shows at present: * the depth of workflow was reduced from 9 levels to 3 * overall number of screens was reduced from over 30 to 10 * technical short wording was replaced by explanatory wording, which is easy to comprehend * dialog layout which also confused expert users was replaced by simple, meaningful layout (or to put it into more poetic words: the user was released from his dungeon :-)) At this point I would like to thank: * Michal Zugec for putting the UI redesign on the agenda (and especially in autumn when everyone already forgot about it) * Johannes Meixner for his endless time, patience and comments * everyone on the lists for their comments and participation I am looking forward to your comments! Have a nice weekend, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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printer module
by Martin Schmidkunz 29 Jan '08

29 Jan '08

Hi, I made some thoughts about the printer module. The results can be shown on the wiki page, which had to be moved to another location (due to some reorganizational stuff which I do not have many clues off :-)). The printer module redesign stuff is now available on: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Development/Printer_Enhancement I tried to avoid the term "queue" as I got some feedback on the ux-list and in personal discussions and benchmarking, that this term is not familiar to many users. For the sake of consistency with other modules I also sacrificed Johannes' sentences with included buttons, which I personally like a lot. The CUPS settings also became a more semantic description. I used the settings and wording of the CUPS browser UI and gave the user the possibility to make detailed settings for some entries. Open questions: * Did I understand this correctly: I can either use default settings of the remote CUPS server (which means the default queue of the remote computer) or do I choose another queue Missing stuff: * select default queue (maybe this will be covered by a button at the right bottom side of the local queue list) * firewall settings (which I would put into the check boxes of the local CUPS settings * CUPS USB device settings (big question mark for me: do we really need that? In case we do, it can become another check box in the local CUPS settings Did I miss anything else? What do you think about these mockups? Enojy the rest of the day, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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yast style guide meeting tuesday 29th january 16:00 CET
by Martin Schmidkunz 28 Jan '08

28 Jan '08

Hi, some of you suggested that the official yast channel is not appropriate for discussing style guide issues in an undisturbed manner, so we will meet in the "styleguide" channel on irc.freenode.org The meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, 29th January 2008, 16:00 CET until 17:00 CET. World times for this meeting: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=1&year=20… The agenda will be the other full-screen dialogs: # Progress Dialogs (initializing, reading and writing...) # Dialog with Tabs # Tree Widget Dialog # Summary Dialog # Installation Proposal I think we can handle them quite shortly as it is mostly about: does it make sense how it is written down in: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Style_Guide/Dialogs We are looking forward to you, Martin und Eva -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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results of yast style guide meeting on 22th january 2008
by Martin Schmidkunz 24 Jan '08

24 Jan '08

Hi everybody, at the end of the e-mail you will find a summary of results from the YaST style guide meeting on 22th January. The only issue which was not discussed directly is the filter issue (last paragraph) within the overview dialog. AFAIK filters in overview dialogs are only used in the user/groups management dialog. Currently the filter and the filter selection are separated, but Jiri found a very nice way to get rid of this separation (see Bug 279959). If you have any comments on the results of our style guide meeting, please let me know. For the next meeting on Tuesday, 29th January, 16 CET, we can take a look at the other full-screen dialogs: # Progress Dialogs (initializing, reading and writing...) # Dialog with Tabs # Tree Widget Dialog # Summary Dialog # Installation Proposal I think we can handle them quite shortly as it is mostly about: does it make sense how it is written down in: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Style_Guide/Dialogs Thanks for the discussion and your comments last Tuesday! Cu, Martin Properties of a common dialog * Help text is displayed via a help push button aligned on the left side. A click on the button opens the help text in a new window. On the right side the module dialog is displayed. * All navigation buttons are located at the bottom line of the common dialog. * By clicking the "x" in the window decoration the dialog closes. If the user changed something a warning pop up is display and has to be confirmed. Technically this means: UI WM_CLOSE button must be handled as "cancel/abort/close" * YaST modules should use the wizard.ycp (framework) * Unnecessary buttons (e.g. next in a one screen dialog) should be disabled Properties of an overview dialog * The heading consist of module name + "Configuration" if the dialog is used for hardware and services configuration * The items should be displayed in a table * If detailed information is necessary it is provided by a rich text field at the bottom of the table. The conten of the rich text field changes when the user changes the item in the table. * To configure the items within the table a set of three push buttons with the labels "Add", "Edit", "Delete" is used. These three push buttons are aligned at the left bottom. * To provide "expert options" or other settings like "set default" align the corresponding push button on the right. Try to avoid menu buttons or combo boxes as they hide their content from the user. * An additional line of buttons between the buttons at the bottom of the table and the navigation buttons should be avoided * If filtering is needed use the space above the table. The current filter is displayed as a text label on the left side, the "Set Filter" combo box is aligned on the right. -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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yast style guide meeting tuesday 22th january 16:00 CET
by Martin Schmidkunz 15 Jan '08

15 Jan '08

Hi, in discussions with some developers and during our own work it turned out that it would be nice to have a style guide for YaST modules. In order to get one, Eva and I will prepare single pieces of it, which will be discussed with all interested persons on IRC. That is probably the best method to give as many people as possible the chance to participate in this project. The meeting will take place in the yast channel on irc.freenode.org and it is scheduled for Tuesday, 22th January 2008, 16:00 CET until 17:00 CET. World times for this meeting: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=1&year=20… We are looking forward to you, Martin und Eva -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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christmas
by Martin Schmidkunz 22 Dec '07

22 Dec '07

Hi, I wish all merry and recreative Christmas holidays and a successful, healthy and lucky new year! Thanks for all the comments and discussions! Although I wasn't always able to join all of them it is very nice to see that there are some people around who like to give feedback about usability and design issues! Best regards, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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printer module
by Martin Schmidkunz 11 Dec '07

11 Dec '07

Hi everybody, Johannes came up with some additional ideas how to redesign the add dialog and the printer module. I put the screenshots on: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Printer Please note, that they contain some experimental stuff like semantic buttons. Although I find this idea very interesting and cool (as it brings in the thoughts of hyperlinks) it will be most likely that they will not survive the whole design process :-) Cu, Martin -- Martin Schmidkunz User Experience Specialist martin.schmidkunz(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 740 53-346 ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Redesign of YaST Control Center
by Thomas Goettlicher 29 Nov '07

29 Nov '07

Hi everyone, we want to redesign the YaST Control Center. Therefore we are looking for a radical new design. This is your chance to share your ideas regarding YaST Control Center. Please feel free to contribute with mockups and (unconventional) ideas here: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Development/New_Control_Center Thanks, Thomas --- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Printer status: stopped. This is murder.
by Silviu Marin-Caea 27 Nov '07

27 Nov '07

This is a copy & paste of a message I wrote to the CUPS bugs forum. It concerns usability. http://www.cups.org:80/newsgroups.php?gcups.bugs+v:6146 ==== This is a case where a small bad design decision destroys all the good that CUPS does. The situation couldn't be more ordinary: a USB printer (HP F4180). If this printer is turned off when the computer is on, it will enter the stopped/paused state and remain so forever. To the average user this means exactly: LINUX PRINTING DOES NOT WORK. It's as simple and clear as that. To get it to print again, the user should give the cupsenable command or use the web interface. Do you expect mom and pop to know about "cupsenable" and "http://localhost:631"? Really. Guys, you brought linux printing forward from the middle ages. Don't leave it in the 1980s, please, we need it in the present. Whatever might be the reason cups doesn't retry printing, is it worth sacrificing usability so brutally? openSUSE 10.3, cups-1.2.12 Thank you -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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new UI in yast2-printer
by Michal Zugec 23 Nov '07

23 Nov '07

Hi people, I'd like to announce improved (I hope ;-)) UI in yast2-printer module. You probably know old interface. Many options was accessible via several clicks and for new users some of them wasn't easy to understand. I wrote some screenshots here: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST/Printer and now is mostly implemented in yast2-printer version >= 2.16.4 So this mail is a "call for testing", but also your comments or other kind of feedback is important for me. When you check rpm from factory does it work for you with all functionality? Do you like this UI or would you like to change something? Bye, Michal -- Best Regards, Michal Zugec Software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SuSE CR, s.r.o. e-mail: mzugec(a)suse.cz Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 960 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 296 542 374 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-ux] new UI in yast2-printer
by kevindupuy＠bellsouth.net 22 Nov '07

22 Nov '07

Exactly. I think you hit the nail on the head there. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Johannes Meixner <jsmeix(a)suse.de> > > > Hello, > > On Nov 15 10:58 Martin Schmidkunz wrote (shortened): > > ... if you are doing > > something that doesn't meet the user's expectations you have to explain > > that to him ... > > Exactly! > > This is what I like to get all the time. > I think a YaST setup module should be better than just show > choices to the user but leave him (mostly) alone what to choose. > > I think a YaST setup module should establish some kind of > communication or dialog with the user to find out what he wants > and then guide him to a reasonably good possible setup > (in particular when what he wants is not exactly possible) > or be brave and tell him frankly when what he wants is > impossible (e.g. configure an unsupported printer). > > > > And we should really, really focus on bringing the printing model to the > > user. That means of course that it is not enough to hide the explanation > > in the help text :-) > > YES! > > I think this is our key problem: > How to display the basics of the real printing model to the user > so that he gets a basic understanding what the heck this weird > and confusing printing config stuff is all about. > > > I think Rajko's understanding is perfectly sufficient: > A queue is a software black box that does whatever is necessary > to give appropriate printout and sends it to the printer. > > The exact right point in his understanding is "queue is software". > > I assume when he does "lpstat/lpq" or whatever graphical stuff > to query the printing system, then his understanding helps him > to be aware that he gets only the state of a piece of software > and not necessarily the state of a piece of hardware (the printer). > > > Kind Regards > Johannes Meixner > -- > SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany > AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Video of Mac OS X upgrade (Tiger -> Leopard)
by Joerg Kress 14 Nov '07

14 Nov '07

Hi, a video with an upgrade of Mac OS is now online at: http://public.littlecornerofthe.net/research/leo-upgrade.mpg.ogg It's edited for length, without those lengthy "doing something and updating the progress bar"-moments. The locale is German, sorry ;-) Other specs: We recorded only every 2nd frame as such the "realtime" parts are actually twice as fast in the video. I will do a writeup of things that are interesting to note. Any recommendations where to put those notes and a link to the video in the wiki? btw: it's not that exciting, seems like Apple thought the upgrade process is not worth the bling. Cheers, Josh -- Joerg Kress <jkress(a)suse.de> SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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[Fwd: [yast-devel] Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST2 SSHD Module - Call for help/volunteers]
by Lukas Ocilka 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This is a "Call for a YaST UI designer" mail :) Please, is there anybody willing to help help Dominique and myself with redesigning the YaST SSHD module? For more information, see the forwarder message, this mailing-list thread http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2007-10/msg00278.html and bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=333655 Thanks a lot! Bye Lukas -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHF7l5VSqMdRCqTiwRAtvkAKCY/6rDF55sby+15eUMBsmCZmbFPACeMyn8 XU3s8A8trlOOyvjfCe6HG2k= =DkaC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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My openSUSE installer mockups
by Billy Juliani 15 Oct '07

15 Oct '07

I have created a set of mockups for a possible openSUSE installer to be used in 11. Feedback is welcome. Hopefully some of them can be considered http://en.opensuse.org/Installer_11.-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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looking to join the UX team
by Billy Juliani Juliani 07 Oct '07

07 Oct '07

Hello, my name is Bill Juliani, and I would like to join the UX team, and help work on openSUSE 11. I don't have any programming skills, but I do design and would like to help make openSUSE fantastic. I have been working on installer mockups, for a QT4 based installer that is redesigned to be more user friendly and aesthetically pleasing than the current one. here is my mockup for the choose desktop environment screen: http://i20.tinypic.com/2a4xo8x.png , http://i20.tinypic.com/w0kxvl.png . Besides all the UI, the "take a tour" button would allow those new to linux to see what both desktop environments look like before making a choice. Feedback and criticism is welcome I hope that I can be of some help to the openSUSE team. Thank you-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Installing opensuse on two partitions
by Sven Burmeister 19 Aug '07

19 Aug '07

Hello everybody! I have read the archives regarding the re-design of the partitioner during installation and after. I could not yet find a post that tells whether there was a decision on providing a live CD that allows the user to install opensuse or not. Anyway, it will not happen for 10.3 as it seems so here is my little ux-bug that I think could still be fixed for 10.3. I filed a bug that it is not possible to install opensuse on two different partitions that reside on two different harddisks. The answer from the dev was that he does not see any need for a change since this can easily be archived via the expert mode. The latter statement proves my point. A non-expert operation should not require expert tools. Hence there is a usability bug. I made some suggestion in the bug report on how to solve this issue. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=299612 I'll add some points to the live cd section of the ux wiki since I think this is one of the major decisions to be taken for the next opensuse release after 10.3. If there is a move to a live cd IMO it does not make that much sense to put a lot of effort into the installation process as it works now, including the issue mentioned above. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-ux] We're good
by Pascal Bleser 20 Jul '07

20 Jul '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Kulow wrote: [...] > I can't reply to these mailing lists ;( np, we can discuss it and I'll forward relevant information to the list (although it's a topic that would prolly better be put on opensuse-project than -ux) > No, it's the first time I hear about this. And honestly I would expect a > support nightmare with adding repositories on good faith. So while I think > it's a good idea, I would like to have first more thought put into a way to > avoid bug reports on bugzilla's "openSUSE 10.3" if it's really > community.org's 10.3. We need a way to sort this out and our screening team > is already overloaded with the "I have 10.2 with SUSE provided updates" bug > reports that turn out to have a broken package from some home project ;( I understand that. But on the other hand, it's a fact that almost all people using openSUSE for desktop (and sometimes even on servers) add the Packman and Guru repositories at the very least. It's also worth mentioning all the repositories in the Build Service, which are still largely unknown by the gross of the openSUSE users, with lots of great packages still hidden in there. I mean I absolutely understand your concerns wrt support and bug reporting. But... Adding community and Build Service repositories is still to tedious for most, unfortunately, although we do have some pretty easy instructions online [1]. Nevertheless, having them to choose from in YaST2 out-of-the-box would be a great improvement. The Software Portal project (I'm heavily involved with) [2] also aims at making the process of finding applications and packages for openSUSE a lot easier, but where not there yet. AFAIK the YaST team (Lukas), AJ and Adrian are fine with it from how the discussion went up to now. The idea would be to have a big fat red warning (tm) "unsupported" etc... for the repositories coming from the 2nd list (the one hosted e.g. on opensuse-community.org). Could/should we discuss that topic somewhere ? How about opensuse-project ? Are you subscribed to that one ? [1] http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources and http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.2 [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Software_Portal cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser(a)skynet.be> <guru(a)unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGoJ2Er3NMWliFcXcRAlUyAJ4gqgjRLEmGlC1ezAcEIJFGA3OG0ACeMAj2 sxupOvVuNXPK1ERXwK8XZjw= =36E0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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We're good
by Silviu Marin-Caea 20 Jul '07

20 Jul '07

I installed Fedora 7 because I need different distributions for a project that I'm working on. I'm gonna write here some short impressions as far as usability is concerned, from the point of view of and experienced Linux user that it an absolute newbie to Fedora and Gnome (I use openSUSE and KDE). I believe that these kind of first impressions are very valuable input. It would be extremely interesting if we could gather such data from users of other distros that are trying our openSUSE for the first time... Here they are: * Installation is very easy and pleasant. * Gnome is simple and easy to understand, but it seems limited to me, I like KDE more :-) * updates went perfectly, by themselves * SHOWSTOPPER: I needed to install gcc. It took me 1 minute to find "Add/Remove Software", because I was expecting to find it around System, not in the Applications menu. Anyway, not a problem. Then, after selecting gcc from the search results, it gave me an error saying that it cannot find the repository. _I could not find a way to add a repository_ I looked 5 minutes in the menus and still don't know. I'll google it. This means usability failure, IMO. We don't have this problem in openSUSE. However we can still improve by providing a link in YaST Installation Sources to what will come out of this project http://en.opensuse.org/Software_Portal This is going to work like "Get new addons" from Firefox, except it will be for whole repositories instead of single addons. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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yast-gtk package selector
by Ricardo Cruz 09 Jul '07

09 Jul '07

Hi guys, Anybody wants to comment on yast-gtk package selector? In particular the splitted pools? We got some criticism with regard to it, and are evaluating if changes should be made for 10.3. The main complains seem to be that they find it to be different and confusing. We are particularly looking for feedback of people that have been using it. Cheers, Ricardo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-ux] yast-gtk package selector
by Alberto Passalacqua 05 Jul '07

05 Jul '07

Il giorno ven, 29/06/2007 alle 19.54 +0100, Ricardo Cruz ha scritto: > Sex, 2007-06-29 às 18:39 +0200, Alberto Passalacqua escreveu: > > Hello, > Hi, > > You meant to sent this to the opensuse-ux, right? No problem, but I > will share your mail with the rest of the team, ok? Sure. Sorry, I'm not subscribed to the yast-devel list. Feel free to spread my message :-) > > I've just installed and tried it because it's not installed by default > > by alpha 5 GNOME one cd install. > > > Oh, so it is shipped in the CD, but is not installed by default? (I > don't follow the Alphas, the two Novell guys on the team take care of > that...) Well, it was the first release of 1 cd install for alpha 5. Not a problem. > > It is different if compared to the Qt version, but the general usage is > > quite simple. > > > > There are some issue however, that I think has to be addressed: > > > > * It builds the list of packages every time you switch > > visualization. > > Would require some sweat, but it's fix-able. :) Would you say this must > be fixed for 10.3? > I can see how this would bother someone that is just giving a try to > the package selector, but shouldn't bother close as much to the casual > user who will not be jumping around the modes... Yes, but it's quite annoying. I think it's common to switch from the pattern list to the category list for example. Btw, I would put the pattern list as default, like in the Qt version. > > For example switching from "Patterns" to "Plain > > list" requires some time to rebuild the lists of packages, while > > under the QT version it is immediate. > > yast-qt doesn't build the entire thing at one moment. For instance, > their "plain list" equivalent is blank, and you need to search for > something... This kind of approach would require significantly more > work to be quick, but ok, can be done. Yast-qt can show all the packages if you go to Groups -> All, without searching. However the issue which bothers me is the parsing at each switch. The way the whole list is shown is OK. > > * If a package is installed, it is shown both in the Available > > column and in the Installed column, which is confusing. Probably > > this is an alternative to the Refresh function present in the QT > > version, but it should be made explicit. > > Right... If you install some package from a repo, it wont't disappear > from it. :) But okay, we can hide it; in fact, we did, and had a popup > menu that allowed the user to re-install the package... This wasn't very > elegant... You think its better though? Well, you point of view is interesting. I didn't think that way because I was comparing to the Yast-qt installer. Now I'm in doubt. I like the idea of pools to represent repositories, and in this vision, I understand your idea of leaving the package in the "Available" pool too. However I think there should be a "Reinstall" function explicitly shown somewhere, because users accustomed to yast-qt installer might miss it. > Or, do you mean that even different versions of the package shouldn't > be listed in the available pool No. That would be too much :-) > > * There's no way to immediately understand if there's a new > > version of a package (no highlight). > > Okay, sounds useful. Some shaded red would be okay? You can use the convention you like hehe. Yast-qt has some inconsistency itself. In Yast-qt software manager: - Blue -> There's a newer version available. - Red -> The available version is older than the installed one. - Black -> The installed version is the same available. In Yast-qt online update: - Blue -> Recommended update - Red -> Security update - Black -> Additional stuff > > * There's no way to "Taboo" a package (or I didn't find it). > > You're right, there isn't. Taboo means the package won't be installed > no matter what, right? In what scenarios would you use it? To block the installation of something under every circumstance. For example, I don't want wlan-kmp on my desktop because it conflicts with my ndiswrapper driver, and without tabooing it, it's reinstalled at every kernel update. > > * There's no way to select a whole list of packages. To be honest > > it's possible to select it by using SHIFT+CLICK, but it's not > > exactly amazing. > > Tell me what selection way you have in mind. In Yast-qt you can select all the packages in a list and: * Upgrade (refresh) them unconditinally * Upgrade them if there's a new version * Taboo them (never install) * Remove them * Lock them (never change) > > * Also, a cosmetic improvement would be to show the disk space > > usage permanently, maybe removing the tabs and showing disk > > usage and sources list in two boxes at the bottom of the main > > window. But this is a minor issue. > > > I actually wrote it that way at first; the sources table is a bit too > wide though... Will check possible layouts and ask the others about > this... Hehe. Ok. But don't worry too much about that. It's just a matter of tastes. P.S. You sent the answer only to my address and not to the list. With kind regards, Alberto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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New online-survey about linux installation
by Evamaria Fuchs 03 Jul '07

03 Jul '07

Please take part in our new online-survey about linux installation: http://en.opensuse.org/UX#Take_part_in_the_following_surveys -- Best regards, Eva ________________________________________________________________ Evamaria Fuchs Usability Engineering evamaria.fuchs(a)novell.com +49 (0) 911 74053-284 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) _________________________________________________________________ Novell, Inc. SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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UX/Partitioner
by Nayden Anguelov 29 Jun '07

29 Jun '07

Hello everyone, I just took a look at the plans for the new SUSE partitioner and I have to admit I already hate it (sorry for the strong language). I love SUSE - I am sticking with it for a 7th straight year now, but certain tendencies to over-complicate trivial tasks drive me crazy. The goal of the project is to make the new partitioner GUI simple and easy to use, but I am missing both the simplicity and ease-of-use in the following screen-shot : I know I am stupid, but this is the case with 99% of our target user-base. If we want to ignore stupid users we would end like free-BSD - an interesting project for a handful of geeks. Why don't we just use the Gparted GUI in the first window and in the second one we add advanced options (similarly to the current proposal - separated in two). We do not need to reinvent the wheel, just look at the products that are really successful in the market lately : 1. google 2. ipod 3. nintendo wii All of these have 1 common feature that makes them winners - SIMPLICITY. These 3 differentiate themselves through simplicity. In reality a normal user should not need a partitioner but this does not mean we can make it as complicated as we'd like. Simplicity is achieved through different approaches, but I think the two main are : 1. standardization 2. design improvement and simplification In the current mock-up we lack both and it really scares me personally. Best Regards, Nayden

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Fwd: [Portland] xdg-utils 1.0.2 available
by member greenarrow1 25 Jun '07

25 Jun '07

I was wondering which area of SUSE lists is handling desktops? Anyway I am sending this for all within ux if they want to peruse. I posted on top since all info is below: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bastian, Waldo <waldo.bastian(a)intel.com> Date: Jun 24, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [Portland] xdg-utils 1.0.2 available To: portland(a)lists.freedesktop.org, xdg(a)lists.freedesktop.org, desktop_architects(a)osdl.org Thanks to a rainy Sunday afternoon, xdg-utils 1.0.2 is now available from http://portland.freedesktop.org/download/ Changes in xdg-utils 1.0.2: * SVG icons are not supported but documentation still mentioned SVG * xdg-email can now be used without any e-mail address * Do not use mktemp without arguments, it breaks on systems with certain older versions of mktemp (xdg-desktop-menu, xdg-screensaver) [BR9266] See also http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/XdgUtils Please give it some testing to help ensure that no regressions have been introduced. Cheers, Waldo _______________________________________________ Portland mailing list Portland(a)lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/portland George greenarrow1 InNetInvestigations-Forensic SuSe 10.2/TriStar/Apache GoBoLinux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-ux+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-ux+help(a)opensuse.org

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