On 03/09/2010 06:07 PM, John Andersen wrote:

On 3/9/2010 3:41 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Will, Dotan, All,

On my 11.0 kde3 install, all control panel apps disappeared a few weeks ago and haven't returned. I have made a number of attempts to find out why and tried all the suggestions from the last thread, but still no joy. Here is what I see when I open kcontrol or type 'kcmshell --list':

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http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/kde3/controlPanelEmpty.jpg

404 David!!

Hold on, I was in the middle of a server build/swap and I had the link on the wrong box. It's there now :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 03/10/2010 01:51 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Wednesday 10 March 2010 00:41:27 David C. Rankin wrote:

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Will, Dotan, All,

On my 11.0 kde3 install, all control panel apps disappeared a few weeks ago and haven't returned. I have made a number of attempts to find out why and tried all the suggestions from the last thread, but still no joy. Here is what I see when I open kcontrol or type 'kcmshell --list':

(54k)

http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/kde3/controlPanelEmpty.jpg

What logs can I look at, what package can I check or what test can I run to find out what's happening and hopefully make the little guys jump back into kcontrol?

Try running kbuildsycoca --noincremental. This rebuilds the cache of all the .desktop files on your system, including those that define the kcontrol tree.

However, if your sycoca was broken, I'd expect you to be telling me that your K menu wasn't working and that apps weren't finding their plugins.

Also, check that /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER is writeable.

HTH

Will

Thank you for your help Will! But for some reason we are still shooting blanks :-( Below is the output and all information from the checks you suggested, but alas, no control panel modules have re-appeared. Which packages should I remove/reinstall to try and get them back? 02:15 alchemy:~> kbuildsycoca --noincremental kbuildsycoca running... 02:16 alchemy:~> l /var/tmp total 128 drwxrwxrwt 25 root root 4096 2010-03-14 05:30 ./ drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 2010-02-11 08:20 ../ drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-12-19 08:56 AP_0x00000001/ drwx------ 10 david users 4096 2010-03-15 02:16 kdecache-david/ drwx------ 9 dcrta dcr 4096 2010-02-09 22:34 kdecache-dcrta/ drwx------ 8 gnome dcr 4096 2010-02-27 04:17 kdecache-gnome/ drwx------ 10 root root 4096 2010-03-09 10:08 kdecache-root/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-02-24 01:38 sawfish-1.3.5.3-build/ drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4096 2008-06-06 17:20 vi.recover/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-11 02:47 zypp.0VjqOo/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-09 17:37 zypp.0Vtd3v/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-25 23:55 zypp.589wPK/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-26 01:29 zypp.AcChHu/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-03-04 11:03 zypp.apeRou/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-19 10:01 zypp.aPNA8l/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-01-29 09:55 zypp.ByQ7Op/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-01-27 22:27 zypp.cr8gZ4/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-01-08 01:35 zypp.eMQzZS/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-11 07:00 zypp.kj3YO0/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-26 00:15 zypp.oukmBB/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2009-12-19 21:05 zypp.pr5m1A/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-01 14:56 zypp.QmSeX8/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-15 18:25 zypp.WGazqk/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-11 06:57 zypp.yOhzes/ drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-01-08 03:04 zypp.ZGu3ga/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1474 2010-02-24 23:24 rpm-tmp.56471 -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 1161 2010-03-02 22:42 rpm-tmp.57406 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 990 2009-12-20 19:20 rpm-tmp.6041 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1477 2010-02-24 01:32 rpm-tmp.67611 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 990 2009-12-20 19:23 rpm-tmp.83613 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1477 2010-02-24 01:38 rpm-tmp.85932 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1013 2009-12-20 19:43 rpm-tmp.89898 02:16 alchemy:~> whoami david 02:17 alchemy:~> kcmshell --list The following modules are available: 02:17 alchemy:~> -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2010/03/15 03:50 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed:

On 2010/03/10 08:51 (GMT+0100) Will Stephenson composed:

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On Wednesday 10 March 2010 00:41:27 David C. Rankin wrote:

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On my 11.0 kde3 install, all control panel apps disappeared a few weeks ago and haven't returned. I have made a number of attempts to find out why and tried all the suggestions from the last thread, but still no joy. Here is what I see when I open kcontrol or type 'kcmshell --list':

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http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/kde3/controlPanelEmpty.jpg

IIRC, I have more than one system with this problem. I just found one running 11.2 & 3.5.10 release 32.

I then did another zypper ref; zypper up. 36 packages affected, mostly KDE stuff. Nothing changed as result.

After my last thread post I tried zypper dup. That pulled about twice as many packages, again mostly KDE. Now KControl is fixed. :-) -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2010-03-15 at 03:50 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2010/03/10 08:51 (GMT+0100) Will Stephenson composed:

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On Wednesday 10 March 2010 00:41:27 David C. Rankin wrote:

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On my 11.0 kde3 install, all control panel apps disappeared a few weeks ago and haven't returned. I have made a number of attempts to find out why and tried all the suggestions from the last thread, but still no joy. Here is what I see when I open kcontrol or type 'kcmshell --list':

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http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/kde3/controlPanelEmpty.jpg

IIRC, I have more than one system with this problem. I just found one running 11.2 & 3.5.10 release 32.

Me too. I recently installed kde on a 11.2 system, and kcontrol was empty (thread: Trying to setup kde3 in oS 11.2). I thought I had a package missing. However, I just did this:

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Try running kbuildsycoca --noincremental. This rebuilds the cache of all the .desktop files on your system, including those that define the kcontrol tree.

Then I run "kcmshell --list", got a full list of things. Now my "kcontrol" is full of icons! And no, I have not updated anything, or at least, nothing from kde repos. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAku/jCcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VdvgCgg1YLMs8PnP3mFm5NHWYpB9rD YjgAn0wIgaQkVG9maQjY5Wf43xzDjaEb =yFeq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 03/10/2010 01:51 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Wednesday 10 March 2010 00:41:27 David C. Rankin wrote:

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Will, Dotan, All,

On my 11.0 kde3 install, all control panel apps disappeared a few weeks ago and haven't returned. I have made a number of attempts to find out why and tried all the suggestions from the last thread, but still no joy. Here is what I see when I open kcontrol or type 'kcmshell --list':

(54k)

http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/kde3/controlPanelEmpty.jpg

What logs can I look at, what package can I check or what test can I run to find out what's happening and hopefully make the little guys jump back into kcontrol?

Try running kbuildsycoca --noincremental. This rebuilds the cache of all the .desktop files on your system, including those that define the kcontrol tree.

However, if your sycoca was broken, I'd expect you to be telling me that your K menu wasn't working and that apps weren't finding their plugins.

Will, you were right - my menus are gone.... http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/ss/kde/MenuEmpty.jpg I rarely use it so I guess I didn't notice until now. so your sycoca idea may be gaining traction. What do I check for it? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 03/15/2010 07:06 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Monday 15 March 2010 12:43:27 David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 03/10/2010 01:51 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

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However, if your sycoca was broken, I'd expect you to be telling me that your K menu wasn't working and that apps weren't finding their plugins.

Will, you were right - my menus are gone....

http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/ss/kde/MenuEmpty.jpg

I rarely use it so I guess I didn't notice until now. so your sycoca idea may be gaining traction. What do I check for it?

As I mentioned before,

1) check that /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER is writeable, not full, and that the file ksyscoca exists and is not empty in that dir

07:57 alchemy:/var/tmp/kdecache-david> l total 7640 drwx------ 10 david users 4096 2010-03-15 07:41 ./ drwxrwxrwt 25 root root 4096 2010-03-15 06:51 ../ drwx------ 2 david users 4096 2009-12-29 18:13 background/ drwx------ 2 david dcr 4096 2010-02-10 12:10 favicons/ drwx------ 2 david dcr 4096 2009-12-20 17:31 help/ drwx------ 4 david dcr 32768 2010-03-15 06:40 http/ drwx------ 2 david users 4096 2010-03-15 07:34 kpc/ drwx------ 2 david users 4096 2010-02-10 01:27 ksplashx/ drwx------ 2 david dcr 4096 2010-02-08 03:54 libphonon/ drwx------ 4 david dcr 4096 2009-12-26 14:15 plasma-wallpapers/ -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 3359765 2010-03-15 07:34 ksycoca -rw------- 1 david dcr 4130818 2010-03-15 07:41 ksycoca4 -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 1156 2010-03-15 07:41 ksycoca4stamp -rw------- 1 david dcr 0 2010-01-29 04:15 ksycoca4T27341.new -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 1242 2010-03-15 07:34 ksycocastamp -rw------- 1 david dcr 20183 2010-01-28 02:58 plasma-svgelements-Arezzo -rw------- 1 david dcr 1824 2010-03-10 20:40 plasma-svgelements-Classic -rw------- 1 david dcr 16552 2010-01-28 03:00 plasma-svgelements-Clean-Blend -rw------- 1 david dcr 22436 2010-03-08 22:04 plasma-svgelements-default -rw------- 1 david dcr 15969 2010-01-28 03:01 plasma-svgelements-Glassified -rw------- 1 david dcr 694 2010-01-28 03:01 plasma-svgelements-Glaze -rw------- 1 david dcr 15242 2010-02-26 22:17 plasma-svgelements-neon-plasma-glow-by-FRUiT -rw------- 1 david dcr 1166 2010-01-28 03:02 plasma-svgelements-Nitro -rw------- 1 david dcr 3750 2010-01-28 03:02 plasma-svgelements-oxygen -rw------- 1 david dcr 17179 2010-01-28 03:02 plasma-svgelements-Oxyglass -rw------- 1 david dcr 16635 2010-01-28 03:03 plasma-svgelements-Oxyzone -rw------- 1 david dcr 15466 2010-02-26 22:18 plasma-svgelements-seamless -rw------- 1 david dcr 1775 2010-03-10 20:39 plasma-svgelements-Shadowport -rw------- 1 david dcr 12906 2010-03-08 22:04 plasma-svgelements-slim-glow -rw------- 1 david dcr 801 2010-03-08 22:03 plasma-svgelements-Svista -rw------- 1 david dcr 16474 2010-03-08 20:31 plasma-svgelements-Tibanna -rw------- 1 david dcr 1035 2010-03-08 22:03 plasma-svgelements-tragedy -rw------- 1 david dcr 17742 2010-03-08 22:03 plasma-svgelements-Wave 07:57 alchemy:/var/tmp/kdecache-david> df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda6 20G 17G 2.7G 86% / udev 1.9G 132K 1.9G 1% /dev /dev/sda7 486G 93G 369G 21% /home /dev/sda2 81G 37G 44G 46% /windows

2) run kbuildsycoca --noincremental to recreate ksycoca

ran both kbuildsycoca --noincremental and kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental per: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/userguide/kde-menu.html still nothing -- nada :-( I put the output from kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental here: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/kde3/kbuildsycoca4-noimcremental.txt.bz2 Looking as ksycoca and ksycoca4 above, there should be "tons" of stuff in my menu: -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 3359765 2010-03-15 07:34 ksycoca -rw------- 1 david dcr 4130818 2010-03-15 07:41 ksycoca4 I'm stumped. I also created a new user to test and it has the same problem. What does the master suggest next? (no, punting isn't an options ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 03/15/2010 07:06 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Monday 15 March 2010 12:43:27 David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 03/10/2010 01:51 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

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However, if your sycoca was broken, I'd expect you to be telling me that your K menu wasn't working and that apps weren't finding their plugins.

Will, you were right - my menus are gone....

http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/ss/kde/MenuEmpty.jpg

I rarely use it so I guess I didn't notice until now. so your sycoca idea may be gaining traction. What do I check for it?

As I mentioned before,

1) check that /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER is writeable, not full, and that the file ksyscoca exists and is not empty in that dir

2) run kbuildsycoca --noincremental to recreate ksycoca

Will

-- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex

Will, I came up with an ugly hack that works while we are figuring the problem out. I just grepped kcmshell in /opt/kde3/share/applications/kde and parsed down the list to the ones I need and then just put the list in a short script: #!/bin/bash kcmshell background bell clock colors componentchooser desktopbehavior desktop desktoppath display filebrowser fonts icons kcmfontinst kcmkded kcmnotify kcmsmserver kcmtaskbar kcm_useraccount kdm kdmtheme keyboard keys khotkeys kresources ksplashthememgr kthememanager kwindecoration kwinoptions kwinrules lanbrowser mouse panel printers screensaver sound style & I can't figure out why the system isn't doing it on its own anymore. Could there be a problem with /etc/xdg/menu? Here is what I currently have: 08:57 alchemy:/etc/xdg/menus> ls -al * -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32404 2008-05-23 10:34 applications.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11806 2005-09-10 03:27 applications.menu.kde -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10795 2010-01-31 13:28 applications.menu.kde4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 407 2008-06-06 20:01 ggz.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3804 2009-02-07 04:49 gnome-applications.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3218 2008-06-08 18:22 gnomecc.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 488 2008-06-07 00:03 gnome-screensavers.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 279 2008-01-04 17:54 kde4-information.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1755 2010-03-11 03:01 kde4-settings.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 279 2005-09-10 03:25 kde-information.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 288 2005-09-10 03:25 kde-screensavers.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2158 2005-09-10 03:25 kde-settings.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4546 2010-02-19 11:45 lxde-applications.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2627 2008-06-06 21:21 preferences.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2714 2009-02-07 04:49 settings.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3608 2009-03-02 05:04 xfce-applications.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1934 2008-01-09 05:11 YaST-gnome.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2008 2006-02-09 06:16 yast-settings.menu applications-merged: total 20 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2010-03-15 02:58 . drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2010-03-16 08:56 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 294 2008-06-06 20:01 ggz.merge.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 507 2010-03-11 03:01 kde4-essential.menu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 813 2005-09-10 03:25 kde-essential.menu YaST-gnome-merged: total 8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-06-08 18:24 . drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2010-03-16 08:56 .. See anything that jumps out at you there? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 03/15/2010 07:06 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Monday 15 March 2010 12:43:27 David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 03/10/2010 01:51 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

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However, if your sycoca was broken, I'd expect you to be telling me that your K menu wasn't working and that apps weren't finding their plugins.

Will, you were right - my menus are gone....

http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/ss/kde/MenuEmpty.jpg

I rarely use it so I guess I didn't notice until now. so your sycoca idea may be gaining traction. What do I check for it?

As I mentioned before,

1) check that /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER is writeable, not full, and that the file ksyscoca exists and is not empty in that dir

2) run kbuildsycoca --noincremental to recreate ksycoca

Will

-- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex

Will, My kickerrc looks very strange. (at least to me). I looks like it has way too much stuff in it. That maybe correct, but could it also be the source of the missing menu and control panel module entries?? Here it is: [$Version] update_info=kickerrc.upd:kde_3_1_sizeChanges,kickerrc.upd:kde_3_4_reverseLayout,kickerrc.upd:kde_3_5_kconfigXTize [AddAppletDialog Settings] Height 900=817 Width 1440=610 [Applet_1] WidthForHeightHint=70 [Applet_2] WidthForHeightHint=209 [Applet_3] WidthForHeightHint=69 [Applet_4] WidthForHeightHint=91 [Applet_5] WidthForHeightHint=53 [Applet_6] ConfigFile[$e]=launcher_panelapplet_1kwzypo61xas3grfq1sg_rc DesktopFile[$e]=quicklauncher.desktop FreeSpace2=0 WidthForHeightHint=197 [Applet_7] ConfigFile[$e]=libkwireless_ofrw4fw7fxtfbhfeohmb_rc DesktopFile[$e]=kwireless.desktop FreeSpace2=1 WidthForHeightHint=25 [Colors] CurrentPalette=* Custom Colors * [General] Alignment=0 Applets2=KMenuButton_1,DesktopButton_1,Applet_6,Applet_1,Applet_2,Applet_3,Applet_7,Applet_4,Applet_5 AutoHideDelay=1 AutoHidePanel=true AutoHideSwitch=false BackgroundHide=false BackgroundTheme[$e]=$HOME/img/brd/toolbar/goldSatin1440kicker.png CustomSize=35 ExpandSize=true FadeOutAppletHandles=true HideAnimation=true HideAnimationSpeed=80 HideAppletHandles=false HideButtonSize=12 IExist=true KMenuHeight=570 KMenuWidth=401 LegacyKMenu=true Locked=true MenubarPanelTransparent=false OpenOnHover=true Position=3 SizePercentage=100 TintColor=15,13,26 TintValue=5 UnhideLocation=0 UntrustedApplets= UntrustedExtensions= XineramaScreen=0 [KFileDialog Settings] Recent Files[$e]=$HOME/img/brd/toolbar/goldSatin1440kicker.png,$HOME/img/brd/toolbar/goldSatin1440combined.png,$HOME/img/brd/toolbar/crown-gold-small-top.png,$HOME/img/brd/toolbar/crown-gold-small.png,$HOME/img/brd/toolbar/crown-blue-small.png,$HOME/img/brd/toolbar/goldsatin-top.png,$HOME/img/brd/toolbar/goldSatin-shadows.xcf,$HOME/img/brd/toolbar/goldSatin-shadows.png,$HOME/img/brd/toolbar/goldSatin-shadows.gif [Menubar Panel] ConfigFile[$e]=kicker_menubarpanelrc DesktopFile[$e]=childpanelextension.desktop UserHidden=0 [ServiceButton_4] DesktopFile[$d] FreeSpace2[$d] StorageId[$d] [URLButton_1] FreeSpace2[$d] URL[$d] [button_tiles] EnableBrowserTiles=false EnableDesktopButtonTiles=false EnableKMenuTiles=false EnableURLTiles=false EnableWindowListTiles=false [buttons] EnableIconZoom=false EnableTileBackground=false [menus] Extensions=konquerormenu.desktop,printmenu.desktop,recentdocs.desktop,prefmenu.desktop Favorites=MozillaFirefox.desktop,kde-Kontact.desktop,writer.desktop,kde-amarok.desktop,kde-digikam.desktop,kde-Home.desktop,kde-KControl.desktop,kde-Help.desktop,kde-konsole.desktop 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7,lxsession-edit,2010-02-27,avant-window-navigator,2010-02-27,kde4-kcolorchooser,2010-02-27,parcellite,2010-02-27,awn-manager,2010-02-27,emerald-theme-manager,2010-02-27,nitrogen,2010-02-27,xfce4-notifyd-config,2010-02-27,kde-kvkbd,2010-02-27,kde-katapult,2010-02-27,kde-kooldock,2010-02-27,kde-basket,2010-02-27,kde4-ontologyimportclient,2010-02-27,kde4-knotes,2010-02-27,gnome-docker,2010-02-27,alltray,2010-02-27,thunar-settings,2010-02-27,gnome-color-chooser,2010-02-27,kde4-nepomuksimpleannotator-app,2010-02-27,kde4-kvkbd,2010-02-27,lxappearance,2010-02-27,database-properties-3.0,2010-02-27,kde4-kshutdown,2010-02-27,obconf,2010-02-27,gdesklets,2010-02-27,scribes,2010-02-27,kde4-kwrite-su,2010-02-27,ghex,2010-02-27,kde4-kobby,2010-02-27,KWrite kde4,2010-02-27,kde4-kwrite,2010-02-27,kde4-kate,2010-02-27,kde4-kompare,2010-02-27,kde4-okteta,2010-02-27,kde4-kate-su,2010-02-27,SciTE,2010-02-27,kde4-kdiff3,2010-02-27,leafpad,2010-02-27,conglomerate,2010-02-27,gedit,2010-02-27,kate,2010-02-27,gvim,2010-02-27,gucharmap,2010-02-27,squeeze,2010-02-27,kde4-aku,2010-02-27,file-roller,2010-02-27,kde-kleansweep,2010-02-27,dvdisaster,2010-02-27,kde4-ark,2010-02-27,kde4-kcalc,2010-02-27,galculator,2010-02-27,speedcrunch,2010-02-27,keepassx,2010-02-27,tinyca2,2010-02-27,seahorse,2010-02-27,kde4-kleopatra,2010-02-27,gtkpod,2010-02-27,kde4-ktimer,2010-02-27,kde4-ktimetracker,2010-02-27,kde4-kalarm,2010-02-27,kde-kmhtconvert,2010-02-27,Kate (su),2010-02-27,dcrKonqueror - File Manager,2010-02-27,Konqueror (kfmclient),2010-02-27,kde4-systemsettings,2010-02-27 MenuEntryFormat=NameAndDescription MenuEntryHeight=25 RecentAppsStat=41 1268747774 /opt/kde3/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop,7 1261351579 /usr/share/applications/YaST.desktop,5 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/opt/kde3/share/applications/kde/ksysguard.desktop,1 1264789675 /opt/kde3/share/applications/kde/kview.desktop,1 1268637957 /opt/kde3/share/applications/kde/kcolorchooser.desktop,1 1265219349 /usr/share/applications/kde4/kalarm.desktop,1 1261793342 /opt/kde3/share/applications/kde/d3lphin.desktop,1 1261351859 /etc/opt/kde3/share/applications/kde/Help.desktop,1 1264552717 /opt/kde3/share/applications/kde/kxmleditor.desktop,1 1262056257 /usr/share/applications/fontmatrix.desktop UseBookmarks=false -- David C. 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On 04/07/2010 04:35 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 03/15/2010 07:06 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Monday 15 March 2010 12:43:27 David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 03/10/2010 01:51 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

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However, if your sycoca was broken, I'd expect you to be telling me that your K menu wasn't working and that apps weren't finding their plugins.

Will, you were right - my menus are gone....

http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/ss/kde/MenuEmpty.jpg

I rarely use it so I guess I didn't notice until now. so your sycoca idea may be gaining traction. What do I check for it?

As I mentioned before,

1) check that /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER is writeable, not full, and that the file ksyscoca exists and is not empty in that dir

2) run kbuildsycoca --noincremental to recreate ksycoca

Will

-- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex

Will,

Just an update all kde3 kcontrol apps are still gone and all menu entries are still missing as well. But it seems like I am in good company, there are a ton of posts on this in the past 60 days. I googled "kde3 kcontrol empty" and turned up a lot of posts. I have worked through:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=39506

which seemed most promising, but to no avail..., sigh.. The link to kde-applications-merged made no difference.

Just wanted to let you know that both issues are still floating around. Do you think downgrading kdebase3 apps back a month or two is a reasonable idea? It won't fix anything if we find where it is working, but it might tell us when it died. My guess is still late Feb.

When you can devote a minute or two of leisure time, let me know and I'll be ready to help :p

Just for completeness, Gentoo seems to have seen the issue before related to kbuildsycoca4: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/amd64/205799 dunno if this will help, but more information is always good. :-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 04/16/2010 12:13 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

Will,

I know you are still swamped, but maybe you can think of something in /opt/kde/... to check, or maybe the weird ../kdecache-david/tmp dir (addressed below) could be the problem. A

Update - /var/tmp/kdecache-david/tmp didn't have anything to do with the problem. I deleted (moved) /var/tmp/kdecache-david while in gnome, then logged back into kde. All the files were regenerated like they should have been, but still no menus or control panel applets. It seems like all of the kde data (menu, etc.) files are there, it's like kde just isn't reading them. One thing that is strange on the missing menu issue is that all menus are empty except (1) the submenus I added -- AND -- (2) Utilities -> Editor menu. Strange. All menus generally look like this: (52k) http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/kde3/k3_no-menus_02.jpg where you open a submenu and all you get is a little 'stub' window sticking out. But for reasons that make no sense to me, the normal Utilities -> Editor menu is fully populated and functional: (128k) http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/kde3/k3_no-menus_03.jpg It's like the file that holds the menu data is corrupt up to the point of the 'Editor' menu and the is corrupt again for everything after it as well. Sure will be happy when we find this gremlin :-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 04/17/2010 04:03 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2010/04/16 23:24 (GMT-0500) David C. Rankin composed:

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Sure will be happy when we find this gremlin :-)

This thread has been dragging on a very long time.

1-You did try with a virgin login (empty home dir), right?

Oh yes, several I added new users, dcrta, dcrta1, etc.. and I makes no difference. You log in under the new account all files in /var/tmp/kdecache-<user> are created just fine, but still No Menus and No kcontrol modules??

2-No help to login as root?

Nope, root is affected just as any other user, so it isn't a permissions issue.

3-Tried completely removing KDE3 and then reinstalling, both home files and global?

This I haven't done yet, but it is a possibility. I was hoping that we could actually drill-down to find out what the problem is rather than just throwing in the towel and wiping and reinstalling kde3. I say this because it isn't just me. There have been problems with other distros as well. It seems to be x86_64, and it seems to affect those that have both kde3 and kde4 installed and usually starts after a kde4 update. But nobody, that I can tell, has ID'ed the issue yet.

I very recently did a fresh install of 11.1 with KDE3. Then I added a KDE3 repo for 11.2; changed the existing repos.d files to 11.2; 'zypper ref'; 'zypper in zypper libzypp rpm perl-Bootloader openSUSE-release wget aria2 curl mkinitrd udev hal dbus-1'; 'zypper dup'. Kcontrol and everything else I've tried works fine. My other 11.1, 11.2 & 11.3 systems run KDE3 OK too.

That is the funny part. I have 2 laptops both run 11.0 (ATI issue), both have the exact same kde3 install from the same repos and the i586 box works just fine and the x86-64 box has the no menus, no kcontrol module problem. I have even got down to a compare of kde3 installs between the boxes on a file-by-file basis (kdiff3 type comparisons) and all of the ksycoca data, the configurations, the /etc/xdg/menus files, etc... are all the same. I'm pretty sure it is some unique package or library problem, and that is where my debugging skill ends :-( You would think that when kcontrol comes up empty or when then menus are blank that some kind of intelligible error would get thrown giving you a hint at what's wrong, but ... alas ... there aren't any. Moreover, there is no --verbose or --debug option for kcmshell that would shed a little more light on why: [02:53 alchemy:/home/david/tmp] # kcmshell --list kbuildsycoca running... The following modules are available: [03:13 alchemy:/home/david/tmp] # fails, when: [03:13 alchemy:/home/david/tmp] # l /var/tmp/kdecache-david/ <snip> -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 3394111 2010-04-19 02:02 ksycoca -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 4152702 2010-04-18 14:22 ksycoca4 -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 1104 2010-04-18 14:22 ksycoca4stamp -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 1176 2010-04-19 02:02 ksycocastamp are built so nicely at login or with a: 03:15 alchemy:~> kbuildsycoca --noincremental ^^^^^^ kbuildsycoca running... 03:15 alchemy:~> l /var/tmp/kdecache-david/ <snip> -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 3394111 2010-04-19 03:15 ksycoca ^^^^^^ -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 4152702 2010-04-18 14:22 ksycoca4 -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 1104 2010-04-18 14:22 ksycoca4stamp -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 1176 2010-04-19 03:15 ksycocastamp ^^^^^^ Note the times over '^^^^^^' above... All the data is there, it just isn't being read into the menus or by kcontrol :-( [Bummer] -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org