On 07/28/2017 10:08 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:

Op vrijdag 28 juli 2017 16:04:09 CEST schreef James Knott:

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On 07/27/2017 03:30 PM, James Knott wrote:

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Since updating to 42.3, I find Konqueror no longer opens to my home directory. I was finally able to get it to the point where it opens to a blank screen, but I still have to click on the home button, to show my home directory? Is there any way to fix this, so that it works properly? It appears Konqueror is not starting in file manager mode. The command to start it is "kfmclient openProfile filemanagement", but it doesn't start as file manager. See this forums thread, read wolfi323's reply https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/526161-Konqueror-not-working-as-f...

Chanching the command to kfmclient openURL did the trick. However, it would be nice if that sidebar had been retained. Why does the KDE team keep crippling things that people rely on? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/28/2017 10:38 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

how would they know that *you* rely on that feature?

file an enhancement request or a bug report.

Why would they take away something useful that's been around for years? There's still a sidebar in Dolphin, as well as in Windows. Must be others that think it's useful. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/28/2017 11:06 AM, michael norman wrote:

On 28/07/17 15:42, James Knott wrote:

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On 07/28/2017 10:38 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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how would they know that *you* rely on that feature?

file an enhancement request or a bug report.

Why would they take away something useful that's been around for years? There's still a sidebar in Dolphin, as well as in Windows. Must be others that think it's useful.

They don't appear to "know" who relies on what feature. A lot of people of whom I am one expect Konqueror to work as a file manager because that is and has been for a long time our choice. Why does it not do that as default now ? If we are all expected to use Dolphin and not Konqueror where does that leave choice ?

I also prefer Konqueror to Dolphin and don't understand why they broke it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/28/2017 11:24 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 07/28/2017 11:06 AM, michael norman wrote:

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On 28/07/17 15:42, James Knott wrote:

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On 07/28/2017 10:38 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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how would they know that *you* rely on that feature?

file an enhancement request or a bug report. Why would they take away something useful that's been around for years? There's still a sidebar in Dolphin, as well as in Windows. Must be others that think it's useful.

They don't appear to "know" who relies on what feature. A lot of people of whom I am one expect Konqueror to work as a file manager because that is and has been for a long time our choice. Why does it not do that as default now ? If we are all expected to use Dolphin and not Konqueror where does that leave choice ?

I also prefer Konqueror to Dolphin and don't understand why they broke it.

I just found another new "feature". The bookmarks I had saved in Konqueror are gone. Don't you just "love" devs that show such a blatant disregard for users. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op vrijdag 1 september 2017 16:48:05 CEST schreef Patrick Shanahan:

* James Knott [09-01-17 10:17]:

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On 07/28/2017 11:24 AM, James Knott wrote:

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On 07/28/2017 11:06 AM, michael norman wrote:

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On 28/07/17 15:42, James Knott wrote:

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On 07/28/2017 10:38 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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how would they know that *you* rely on that feature?

file an enhancement request or a bug report.

Why would they take away something useful that's been around for years? There's still a sidebar in Dolphin, as well as in Windows. Must be others that think it's useful.

They don't appear to "know" who relies on what feature. A lot of people of whom I am one expect Konqueror to work as a file manager because that is and has been for a long time our choice. Why does it not do that as default now ? If we are all expected to use Dolphin and not Konqueror where does that leave choice ?

I also prefer Konqueror to Dolphin and don't understand why they broke it.

I just found another new "feature". The bookmarks I had saved in Konqueror are gone. Don't you just "love" devs that show such a blatant disregard for users.

with all the problems you present here, are you sure you have not altered your system to the point that you have lost "features" rather than the developers deliberately with blatant disregard removing your bookmarks.

fwiw: I have not "lost" my bookmarks in konqueror but am on Tw.

Hear, hear. Nor have I, neither on Leap 42.3 nor on TW. I hardly ever use Konqueror, but the bookmarks from years ago are all still there. Not all of them work, but that's caused by URL's not being available anymore. And, please also change your attitude of "devs/packagers vs. users". It simply doesn't work that way. "Blatant disregard"? If I was a dev/packager I would remember such a remark on your next bugreport/feature request and ignore such completely. Communities relying on volunteers are built on a mix of components, one of them being respect for the efforts others make. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op vrijdag 1 september 2017 17:11:39 CEST schreef James Knott:

On 09/01/2017 11:01 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:

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fwiw: I have not "lost" my bookmarks in konqueror but am on Tw.

Hear, hear. Nor have I, neither on Leap 42.3 nor on TW. I hardly ever use Konqueror, but the bookmarks from years ago are all still there. Not all of them work, but that's caused by URL's not being available anymore.

I had system bookmarks for things such as CUPS. That was the one I wanted to use today, but couldn't find.

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And, please also change your attitude of "devs/packagers vs. users". It simply doesn't work that way. "Blatant disregard"? If I was a dev/packager I would remember such a remark on your next bugreport/feature request and ignore such completely. Communities relying on volunteers are built on a mix of components, one of them being respect for the efforts others make.

Well, take a look at the changes to Konqueror in general. Until 42.2, it had that side panel with a lot of useful things in it. It's gone now. Since moving to Leap, I've had to deal with a desktop that locks up solid or the task bar disappearing. Another thing that happens on my notebook is when I log in, some things are missing, such as the pager on the task bar, along with the menu bar on apps & folders. Logging out and back in restores them.

Incl. bookmarks ? -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/01/2017 11:43 AM, James Knott wrote:

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Incl. bookmarks ? Sorry, that was a typo. I meant the title bar at the top, where the buttons for closing, maximizing and minimizing are. I just rebooted my notebook a few times, until the problem appeared. I then opened Konqueror, though the same applies to any app. I see the menu bar, but not the title bar. In order to close it, I have to click on File>Quit or use Alt-F4. I cannot max, min or hide the folder.

Pager, on the task bar, is also missing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/01/2017 01:36 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Pager, on the task bar, is also missing. is it enabled/installed? it is a widget and you must unlock widgets to activate it.

Yes, it's normally there. It's just on occasion, when I log in, that it's not. This morning I had to reboot a few times to get the problem to appear. At the same time the pager disappears, the title bar is missing, as mentioned in another post. Log out & in again and both are back. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/01/2017 01:50 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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it's not. This morning I had to reboot a few times to get the problem to appear. At the same time the pager disappears, the title bar is missing, as mentioned in another post. Log out & in again and both are back. and you are talking about your desktop now? getting hard to keep track of

Yes, it's normally there. It's just on occasion, when I log in, that the players with no numbers on their backs.

if I had a system requiring continual reboots, it would be recreated from archive or reinstalled with nothing from old.

As I mentioned earlier, the pager & title bar problem is on my notebook. And the only reason for the multiple reboots was to cause the problem to appear, so that I could accurately report what was happening. On the occasions when it happens, I just log out & in again and the problem clears. Regardless, the problems I've mentioned on both the desktop and notebook computers have only appeared since installing Leap. The missing Konqueror side panel is only in 42.3. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* James Knott [09-01-17 11:12]:

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fwiw: I have not "lost" my bookmarks in konqueror but am on Tw. Hear, hear. Nor have I, neither on Leap 42.3 nor on TW. I hardly ever use Konqueror, but the bookmarks from years ago are all still there. Not all of them work, but that's caused by URL's not being available anymore. I had system bookmarks for things such as CUPS. That was the one I wanted to use today, but couldn't find. And, please also change your attitude of "devs/packagers vs. users". It simply doesn't work that way. "Blatant disregard"? If I was a dev/packager I would remember such a remark on your next bugreport/feature request and ignore such completely. Communities relying on volunteers are built on a mix of components, one of them being respect for the efforts others make. Well, take a look at the changes to Konqueror in general. Until 42.2, it had that side panel with a lot of useful things in it. It's gone now. Since moving to Leap, I've had to deal with a desktop that locks up solid or the task bar disappearing. Another thing that happens on my notebook is when I log in, some things are missing, such as the pager on

On 09/01/2017 11:01 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote: the task bar, along with the menu bar on apps & folders. Logging out and back in restores them.

then your system has serious problems. re: "Since moving to Leap", you don't explain method or prior system. might be related to your present problems. and if you continued to upgrade, your problems continued to follow you. maybe you should back up your data and home and make a new pristine install and gradually incorporate that which you desire from your previous systems in such a manner that you notice what gives you "problems". or just continue and have problems. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* James Knott [09-01-17 11:35]:

On 09/01/2017 11:31 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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then your system has serious problems.

re: "Since moving to Leap", you don't explain method or prior system. might be related to your present problems. and if you continued to upgrade, your problems continued to follow you.

maybe you should back up your data and home and make a new pristine install and gradually incorporate that which you desire from your previous systems in such a manner that you notice what gives you "problems".

or just continue and have problems.

When I updated to Leap, from 13.1, I did a fresh install, leaving only /home untouched.

then I would suspect /home is a great part of your problem, especially ~/.config, ~/.local and maybe ~/.cache. perhaps also akonadi database. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op vrijdag 1 september 2017 17:04:04 CEST schreef James Knott:

On 09/01/2017 10:48 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I just found another new "feature". The bookmarks I had saved in

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Konqueror are gone. Don't you just "love" devs that show such a blatant disregard for users.

with all the problems you present here, are you sure you have not altered your system to the point that you have lost "features" rather than the developers deliberately with blatant disregard removing your bookmarks.

fwiw: I have not "lost" my bookmarks in konqueror but am on Tw.

I have not altered my system, beyond updating to 42.3 and updates since. Also things like bookmarks should be under the user's home directory and not be affected by updating the system.

Agreed on the latter part. Next question: how did you perform the upgrade ? Any other repos than the stock distro ones involved ? -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* James Knott [09-01-17 11:06]:

On 09/01/2017 10:48 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I just found another new "feature". The bookmarks I had saved in

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Konqueror are gone. Don't you just "love" devs that show such a blatant disregard for users. with all the problems you present here, are you sure you have not altered your system to the point that you have lost "features" rather than the developers deliberately with blatant disregard removing your bookmarks.

fwiw: I have not "lost" my bookmarks in konqueror but am on Tw.

I have not altered my system, beyond updating to 42.3 and updates since.

amazing considering the problems you relate.

Also things like bookmarks should be under the user's home directory and not be affected by updating the system.

are they not? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott composed on 2017-07-28 10:42 (UTC-0400):

Why would they take away something useful that's been around for years?

This is the upstream pattern ever since it abandoned KDE3 to rewrite everything from scratch with QT4 for KDE4, then again with QT5 for KDE5. When new people replace retired people and start from scratch, they commonly lack the wisdom and/or initiative that went into the retired feature in the first place, and save themselves the work of understanding its value and recreating it. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/28/2017 12:02 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:

On 07/28/2017 08:28 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

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James Knott composed on 2017-07-28 10:42 (UTC-0400):

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Why would they take away something useful that's been around for years? This is the upstream pattern ever since it abandoned KDE3 to rewrite everything from scratch with QT4 for KDE4, then again with QT5 for KDE5. When new people replace retired people and start from scratch, they commonly lack the wisdom and/or initiative that went into the retired feature in the first place, and save themselves the work of understanding its value and recreating it.

Yes, corporate memory is lost when the gray-beards retire. There's also the "Not Invented Here" syndrome. "If we didn't come up with that idea it can't be worth anything" is frequently heard. I wonder if the business of losing separate widget context and wallpapers for each desktop is an example of this? That choice still confounds me and my users.

Regards, Lew

I went round-and-round with the plasma devs and konqueror: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373887 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373866 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373737 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374193 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373824 My overall impression was they didn't really care if konqueror continued to work, or work well -- or not... To their credit, some of the issues have been addressed, but you still end up pulling your hair out trying to get it to open up to a saved-session state and the navigation pane is still of limited use compared to kde3. Have had no problem after returning to kde3 :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org