I trie to run the last snapshots on my e-machine with no succes. My e-machine EL1352 has a NVIDIA GE Force 6150 nforce 430 videocard and an AMD Athlon II 160 u 1800 MHz CPU. Is that sufficient for operating Tumbleweed? If not; what will be sufficient? Thanks, André den Oudsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-06-19 17:23, andredo@wxs.nl wrote:
Is that sufficient for operating Tumbleweed?
Tumbleweed questions should be asked in the factory mail list. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWEO6IACgkQja8UbcUWM1zj6wD+NaaDmVEg0rGP/UWiatrEDqWR iDUE76ihXCyniKRB26IA/Aqy7zOYjurgfQolonlbYO6SBnBGlUFrlffQLmx+8knx =7EqE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-06-19 17:56 (UTC+0200):
On 2015-06-19 17:23, andredo@wxs.nl wrote:
Is that sufficient for operating Tumbleweed?
Tumbleweed questions should be asked in the factory mail list.
I wonder if this poster understands English enough to respond to attempts to help him? He keeps starting new threads on this list, instead of on opensuse-factory, about the same basic problem, flawed installation results (usually Tumbleweed, or upgrade to TW after fresh 13.2) on a system with Athlon II and Compaq FP745A 1024x768 LCD connected to GeForce 6150SE video, typically without a follow-up response from him to indicate he followed all suggestions or that the problem ever got solved, if there was ever any response from him in same thread at all: This: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00475.html One week ago: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00284.html Monday before last: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00087.html April 28: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-04/msg00878.html April 21: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-04/msg00630.html April 2: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-04/msg00019.html March 23: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-03/msg00759.html March 14: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-03/msg00512.html March 5: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-03/msg00136.html December: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-12/msg00576.html April 2 years ago: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-04/msg00136.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 6/19/2015 9:52 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive."
What an odd tag line to append to such a nit picking post. Guy came to a help list and asked for help, and you and Carlos tag team him with "Go away Boy, ya bother me!" replies. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John M Andersen composed on 2015-06-19 21:58 (UTC-0700):
Guy came to a help list and asked for help, and you and Carlos tag team him with "Go away Boy, ya bother me!" replies.
Everyone else apparently ignored him. Better he gets no response at all? Actually mine was as much as anything else asking *how* do we help somebody who routinely starts new threads in the wrong forum (pointed out by Carlos) and responds poorly to attempts to help. I spent a lot of time trying[2]. His persistence makes it seem pretty clear he wants TW to work on hardware that works fine here[1]. [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00102.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00104.html [2] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-04/msg00881.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00099.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00102.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00104.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00286.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-06-20 06:58, John M Andersen wrote:
and Carlos tag team him with "Go away Boy, ya bother me!" replies.
No, I did not. I simply tell him where is the best place to post and find most of the people that know about those issues. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Op 20-06-15 om 14:12 schreef Carlos E. R.:
On 2015-06-20 06:58, John M Andersen wrote:
and Carlos tag team him with "Go away Boy, ya bother me!" replies. No, I did not. I simply tell him where is the best place to post and find most of the people that know about those issues.
Let me tell what I want: I want to know what are the requirements in CPU capacity and video card for an openSUSE system ; for instance for 13.2 or Tumbleweed. Thanks, André den Oudsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 20/06/2015 17:43, andredo@wxs.nl a écrit :
I want to know what are the requirements in CPU capacity and video card for an openSUSE system ; for instance for 13.2 or Tumbleweed.
basically, none. I install 13.2 on very old systems with 512Mb ram... depends of course of the use you have of them, but openSUSE may be less demanding than other systems jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
andredo@wxs.nl composed on 2015-06-20 17:43 (UTC-0700):
I want to know what are the requirements in CPU capacity and video card for an openSUSE system ; for instance for 13.2 or Tumbleweed.
You've already been told[1] more than once that both openSUSEes work on Athlon II and GeForce 6150SE. Your hardware is not a problem, unless your hardware is broken. Motherboards and power supplies from that era were often made with capacitors that do not have normal longevity[2], so the trouble you keep having could well be with your hardware. Possibly you could know if your model has abnormal expectancy by searching its specific model number on http://badcaps.net/forum/ . Looking up the eMachine model number EL1352 is less likely to get a useful result. [1] e.g. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-06/msg00102.html [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
andredo@wxs.nl wrote:
Op 20-06-15 om 14:12 schreef Carlos E. R.:
On 2015-06-20 06:58, John M Andersen wrote:
and Carlos tag team him with "Go away Boy, ya bother me!" replies. No, I did not. I simply tell him where is the best place to post and find most of the people that know about those issues.
Let me tell what I want: I want to know what are the requirements in CPU capacity and video card for an openSUSE system ; for instance for 13.2 or Tumbleweed.
Until yesterday, I had some old systems that ran 13.2 on 400MHz Pentium IIs with onboard video. For a system with GUI, you'll probably want more than that. A ancient single-core Pentium IV with 1Gb will do. I've just ordered an Intel Compute Stick that runs Ubuntu 14.04. Your question can really only be answered by another question - what do you want to do with your openSUSE 13.2 system? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 21-06-15 om 13:10 schreef Per Jessen:
andredo@wxs.nl wrote:
Op 20-06-15 om 14:12 schreef Carlos E. R.:
On 2015-06-20 06:58, John M Andersen wrote:
and Carlos tag team him with "Go away Boy, ya bother me!" replies. No, I did not. I simply tell him where is the best place to post and find most of the people that know about those issues.
Let me tell what I want: I want to know what are the requirements in CPU capacity and video card for an openSUSE system ; for instance for 13.2 or Tumbleweed.
Until yesterday, I had some old systems that ran 13.2 on 400MHz Pentium IIs with onboard video.
For a system with GUI, you'll probably want more than that. A ancient single-core Pentium IV with 1Gb will do. I've just ordered an Intel Compute Stick that runs Ubuntu 14.04.
Your question can really only be answered by another question - what do you want to do with your openSUSE 13.2 system?
Foto improvement with Gimp, simple documents with LibreOffice, e-mails with Firebird and Internet with Firefox. André den Oudsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/21/2015 08:29 AM, andredo@wxs.nl wrote:
Foto improvement with Gimp,
Any image processing, be it GIMP, Darktable or any one of a number of others, ends up being memory intensive and some of the algorithms are CPU intensive. Some implementations make use of parallelism so multi-core CPUs can make use of them. Check first. Do you really mean photo as in you take the picture and download from the camera? If so, you're probably better of with Darktable than GIMP since it handle camera and lens correction and is geared for photo processing, knows about white balance correction and much much more. Perhaps AFTER DT processing turn to GIMP, but I'd never use GIMP on downloads from my camera _first_ and I do a lot of photo processing. And yes I have a multi-core. I just wish this machine could handle more memory. Still, you get what you pay for ...
simple documents with LibreOffice,
There are alternatives. If you are suing KDE it has its own office suite.
e-mails with Firebird
Do you mean Thunderbird?
and Internet with Firefox.
The Mozilla suite can end up being very memory intensive. As others have commented here, Firefox is not good at releasing memory when you close tabs. The trouble is TB and FF have so many "useful" (for various values of usefulness) plugins that Kmail and Konqueror don't have. But you pay in terms of memory for that. That being said, I have run TB & FF on a 800MHz single core machine with just 1G of memory. (Old W95 class machines from the Closet of Anxieties that now just do DNS/DHCP) No problems with email, no problems with FF so long as I kept the number of tabs small. heck, its getting to a point where I'm doing a lot of my email and web browsing using my phone or tablet. The phone only has 1G of memory! The tablet has 2G and many of the packages there do photo-processing, but I suspect they make use of the GPU. As far as I can see an old Dell or IBM desktop with a 4 core and 4G of memory from eBay or Kijiji for less than $200, or possibly your local thrift store -- opportunistically -- for about $50, possibly with another $50 in upgrade[1], will do all you're asking. As we've said here many times, Linux runs on the most basic of hardware. If, perhaps, you have a machine that is more than adequate for TB, FF and office, but not much else you might need a bit of patience for the photo side. But I can run the photo apps -- overnight -- on the 800MHz machine. Constantly paging! So it really depends on you use profile. If its 98% photo-processing and 2% email/letters/browsing that's different from 2% photo-processing. If the former, you can justify a high powered machine. If not, then stay with the lower budget model. I've not found a machine, and there have been some doozies out of the Closet of Anxieties! that hasn't been able to run Linux and X. Except for broken hardware. (And sometimes that can be navigated around!) Maybe I'm better at setting up Xorg than the average Linux user. maybe I just enjoy the challenge :-) [1] memory, to the capacity of the machine, then GPU Upgrades, incrementally, aren't budget-busters http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9582530&csid=_61 -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward composed on 2015-06-21 09:37 (UTC-0400):
As far as I can see an old Dell or IBM desktop with a 4 core and 4G of memory from eBay or Kijiji for less than $200, or possibly your local thrift store -- opportunistically -- for about $50, possibly with another $50 in upgrade[1], will do all you're asking.
As we've said here many times, Linux runs on the most basic of hardware.
If, perhaps, you have a machine that is more than adequate for TB, FF and office, but not much else you might need a bit of patience for the photo side.... I've not found a machine, and there have been some doozies out of the Closet of Anxieties! that hasn't been able to run Linux and X. Except for broken hardware. (And sometimes that can be navigated around!) Maybe I'm better at setting up Xorg than the average Linux user. maybe I just enjoy the challenge :-)
We already know his hardware specifications are up to task: E-machine EL1352 with Compaq FP745A monitor and GE Force 6150SE nForce 430 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2c2817%2c2371211%2c00.asp?tab=Specs or http://www.cnet.com/products/emachines-el1352-51-athlon-ii-170u-2-ghz-2-gb-5... may not be his exact submodel, but it's close enough. I have a PC with the same fundamental specs except for a slightly faster CPU http://www.msi.com/product/mb/K9N6PGM2V2FOR_EUP.html#hero-specification doing TW and 13.2 just fine, whenever can get it to POST. This is fresh from TW/KDE: $ grep 'using VT' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [ 998.903] (++) using VT number 3 $ grep PRETTY /etc/os-release PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE 20150612 (Tumbleweed) (i586)" $ grep 'X.Org X Server' /var/log/Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.17.1 $ grep 'Current Operating System' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [ 998.584] Current Operating System: Linux mcp61 4.0.4-1-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue May 19 15:29:48 UTC 2015 (4f5e0d5) i686 $ grep 'Kernel Command Line' /var/log/Xorg.0.log [ 998.584] Kernel command line: root=LABEL=st160os133 ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 splash=0 noresume vga=791 video=1024x768@60 3 $ grep Output /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep -v 'disconnec|no monit' | grep -v 'nitor sect' [ 998.971] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Output VGA-1 connected [ 998.971] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Output VGA-1 using initial mode 1280x1024 $ egrep -i "physical size|cm]" /var/log/Xorg.0.log [ 998.971] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 38 vert.: 30 [ 1000.066] (II) NOUVEAU(0): Setting screen physical size to 300 x 240 $ grep -v ^\# /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-monitor.conf | grep DisplaySize DisplaySize 300 240 # 108 DPI @ 1280x1024 $ grep -v ^\# /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep DisplaySize grep: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory $ grep -v ^\# /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep PreferredMode grep: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory $ xrandr | egrep 'onnect|creen|\*' | grep -v disconn | sort -r VGA-1 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 376mm x 301mm Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 4096 x 4096 1280x1024 60.02*+ 75.02 $ xdpyinfo | egrep 'dimen|ution' dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (300x240 millimeters) resolution: 108x108 dots per inch # lspci 00:00.0 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a1) 00:01.0 ISA bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 LPC Bridge (rev a2) 00:01.1 SMBus: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 SMBus (rev a2) 00:01.2 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 Memory Controller (rev a2) 00:01.3 Co-processor: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 SMU (rev a2) 00:02.0 USB controller: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 USB 1.1 Controller (rev a3) 00:02.1 USB controller: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 USB 2.0 Controller (rev a3) 00:04.0 PCI bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 PCI bridge (rev a1) 00:05.0 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) 00:06.0 IDE interface: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2) 00:08.0 IDE interface: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev a2) 00:08.1 IDE interface: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 SATA Controller (rev a2) 00:09.0 PCI bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev a2) 00:0b.0 PCI bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev a2) 00:0c.0 PCI bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 PCI Express bridge (rev a2) 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h Processor HyperTransport Configuration 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h Processor Address Map 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h Processor DRAM Controller 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h Processor Miscellaneous Control 00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h Processor Link Control 01:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (rev 10) # uname -a Linux mcp61 4.0.4-1-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue May 19 15:29:48 UTC 2015 (4f5e0d5) i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux mcp61:~ # cat /etc/os-release NAME=openSUSE VERSION="20150612 (Tumbleweed)" VERSION_ID="20150612" PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE 20150612 (Tumbleweed) (i586)" ID=opensuse ANSI_COLOR="0;32" CPE_NAME="cpe:/o:opensuse:opensuse:20150612" BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.opensuse.org" HOME_URL="https://opensuse.org/" ID_LIKE="suse" So, if André cannot get TW or 13.2 to behave properly, it's highly unlikely that TW or 13.2 are at fault. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-06-21 14:29, andredo@wxs.nl wrote:
Foto improvement with Gimp, simple documents with LibreOffice, e-mails with Firebird and Internet with Firefox.
All those tools require lots of memory, and quite some CPU. They do work on small machines, using swap and time. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWGw2wACgkQja8UbcUWM1w6iQEAkh//dpyM2NeIAAcqX5B26LbS KbwSfITPY7J8FzsGllEA/0H2bbL3awsRnqnNOhcPS96zad+QoKyxkSTIwvsjCl5X =mfy3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
andredo@wxs.nl wrote:
Op 21-06-15 om 13:10 schreef Per Jessen:
Your question can really only be answered by another question - what do you want to do with your openSUSE 13.2 system?
Foto improvement with Gimp, simple documents with LibreOffice, e-mails with Firebird and Internet with Firefox. André den O
Good answer. Well, my Toshiba laptop has an Intel dual-core and 3Gb RAM. It does very well with Gimp and 24mpix images, whilst having 20 office documents, and some 15-20 open FF tabs. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-06-22 08:51, Per Jessen wrote:
Good answer. Well, my Toshiba laptop has an Intel dual-core and 3Gb RAM. It does very well with Gimp and 24mpix images, whilst having 20 office documents, and some 15-20 open FF tabs.
I have 8 GiB RAM and there is 2 GiB of swap in use. Thunderbird, Firefox, Libreoffice... Well, there is also a "small" java app :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Op 22-06-15 om 08:51 schreef Per Jessen:
andredo@wxs.nl wrote:
Op 21-06-15 om 13:10 schreef Per Jessen:
Your question can really only be answered by another question - what do you want to do with your openSUSE 13.2 system?
Foto improvement with Gimp, simple documents with LibreOffice, e-mails with Firebird and Internet with Firefox. André den O Good answer. Well, my Toshiba laptop has an Intel dual-core and 3Gb RAM. It does very well with Gimp and 24mpix images, whilst having 20 office documents, and some 15-20 open FF tabs.
Thank you all for your information. I'm sure now there is no need for new equipment! Thanks, André den Oudsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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