13 Sep
2012
13 Sep
'12
10:55
Hello.
It would be nice to add science [1] repository to YaST additional repositories
list [2]. This repository provides scientific and engineering software that
mostly not included into main repository. Science repository quite stable and
well maintained.
[1] https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=science
[2] http://download.opensuse.org/YaST/Repos/_openSUSE_{version}_Additional.xml
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13 Sep
11:06
On Thursday 13 Sep 2012 14:55:48 Dmitry Roshchin wrote:
Hello.
It would be nice to add science [1] repository to YaST additional
repositories list [2]. This repository provides scientific and engineering
software that mostly not included into main repository. Science repository
quite stable and well maintained.
[1] https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=science
[2]
http://download.opensuse.org/YaST/Repos/_openSUSE_{version}_Additional.xml
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the problem is that it clashes with some apps from education repo so we shall
clear that before.
Alin
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On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:06:25 PM Alin M Elena wrote:
On Thursday 13 Sep 2012 14:55:48 Dmitry Roshchin
wrote:
Wishing you a succesful achievement on those tasks.
It would be great to have it easily available from YaST. So we can promote it
better.
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Hello.
It would be nice to add science [1] repository to YaST additional
repositories list [2]. This repository provides scientific and engineering
software that mostly not included into main repository. Science repository
quite stable and well maintained.
[1] https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=science
[2]
http://download.opensuse.org/YaST/Repos/_openSUSE_{version}_Additional.xml
++
the problem is that it clashes with some apps from education repo so we
shall clear that before.
Alin
18:45
13 сентября 2012 12:06:25 Alin M Elena написал(а):
++
the problem is that it clashes with some apps from education repo so we
shall clear that before.
Alin
Can you write detailed information about this problems?
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23 Sep
23 Sep
11:42
On Thursday 2012-09-13 12:55, Dmitry Roshchin wrote:
Hello.
It would be nice to add science [1] repository to YaST additional repositories
list [2]. This repository provides scientific and engineering software that
mostly not included into main repository. Science repository quite stable and
well maintained.
Rather than adding more and more repositories to a system,
the packages should be submitted to Factory.
Like everything else.
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24 Sep
24 Sep
18:32
On Sunday 23 September 2012 13:42:31 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2012-09-13 12:55, Dmitry Roshchin wrote:
Maybe he wants this to be able to provide users with a central place for
newer/updated versions of the packages, like we do with for example KDE,
GNOME and many other things?
Just wondering...
Hello.
It would be nice to add science [1] repository to YaST additional
repositories list [2]. This repository provides scientific and
engineering software that mostly not included into main repository.
Science repository quite stable and well maintained.
Rather than adding more and more repositories to a system,
the packages should be submitted to Factory.
Like everything else. 
18:35
On 24/09/12 20:32, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
Maybe he wants this to be able to provide users with a
central
place for newer/updated versions of the packages, like we do with
for example KDE, GNOME and many other things?
Still, if the packages are maintained they should end in Factory.
Just wondering...
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On Monday 24 Sep 2012 20:35:07 Pavol Rusnak wrote:
On 24/09/12 20:32, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
the science repo has its place and shall exist. scientific apps rarely follow
any software engineering route.. if one looks into the .spec files of some of
them would probably want to commit suicide immediately... Joke aside now.
science shall be devel/update for packages that shall end up in factory.
I will try to compile a list with duplicates within Education... if I get
time..
I think I tried to get science added to the community repos for few years...
now I gave up on hope.
Alin
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Maybe he wants this to be able to provide users
with a central
place for newer/updated versions of the packages, like we do with
for example KDE, GNOME and many other things?
Still, if the packages are maintained they should end in Factory.
> Just wondering...
25 Sep
25 Sep
06:28
On Monday 2012-09-24 21:31, Alin M Elena wrote:
On Monday 24 Sep 2012 20:35:07 Pavol Rusnak wrote:
It is no joke, sadly.
Academics are not terribly interested in coding, but more in that
their algorithms give some result. No blame there, but it leads to a
level of quality that is not satisfactory for distribution of their
code - especially should it become a hit record. Because there are
few "proven" libraries (e.g. gnutls is a proven library for SSL),
crosslinking to previously unseen projects is not all that rare.
Everybody who is willing to use autotools as the primary Makefile
generator gets the autotools and cross-distro packaging part done for
her/him. Call in early while your project is still small!
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On 24/09/12 20:32, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
the science repo has its place and shall exist. scientific apps rarely follow
any software engineering route.. if one looks into the .spec files of some of
them would probably want to commit suicide immediately... Joke aside now. Maybe he wants this to be able to provide users
with a central
place for newer/updated versions of the packages, like we do with
for example KDE, GNOME and many other things?
Still, if the packages are maintained they should end in Factory.
> Just wondering...
26 Sep
26 Sep
09:01
24 сентября 2012 20:31:45 Alin M Elena написал(а):
I will try to compile a list with duplicates within
Education... if I get
time..
LabPlot
Education: linked to science, but exists package LabPlot-Handbook (version
1.6.0, main package version 2.0svn)
R-base
Education: linked to openSUSE:Factory
science: linked to devel:languages:R:base
avogadro
Education: devel for openSUSE:Factory
science: no link, changes for SLE build
chrpath
Education: linked to openSUSE:Factory
science: linked to devel:tools
fdupes
Education: linked to openSUSE:Factory
science: linked to openSUSE:Factory
flexdock
duplicate
gnucap
Education: devel for openSUSE:Factory
science: no link
gromacs
Education: linked to openSUSE:Factory
science: devel for openSUSE:Factory
gsl
Education: linked to openSUSE:Factory
science: linked to openSUSE:Factory
gtkglarea2
science: linked to Education
gtkglext
?
gtkglextmm
?
hdf5
Education: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
science: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
jcip-annotations
Education: linked to Java:packages
science: linked to Java:packages
jeuclid-core
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jgoodies-forms
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jgoodies-looks
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jgraphx
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jhdf5
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jimi
duplicate
jlatexmath
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jogl
Education: linked to science (only for scilab?)
jrosetta
duplicate (only for scilab?)
laf-plugin
duplicate
libeigen3-devel
Education: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
science: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
libsvm
science: linked to Education, but updates spec and added patch
maxima
Education: devel for openSUSE:Factory
science: linked to Education
muparser
Education: linked to science
science: devel for openSUSE:Factory
qtiplot
duplicate, new version in science
qwt
Education: linked to KDE:Distro:Factory
science: no link
qwtplot3d
Education: linked to science (comment: "only needed for SciDAVis which is now
in science", so it's possible to delete from Education?)
skinlf
duplicate
suitesparse
Education: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
science: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
wxMaxima
Education: devel package for openSUSE:Factory
science: no link
xmlgraphics-common
duplicate (only for scilab?)
If package marked as "only for scilab?" and it's true, we need to remove it
from Education
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09:28
Dmitry thank you, this is what I meant. Until the two repos do not become
disjoint it is difficult to have them safely both of them in community repos.
Education in principle targets K12 level... so I see little reason for some
packages to be developed in it..
maxima is one that comes in my mind.
I do not understand why the linking for some of the packages...
(gromacs,gsl,R)
unfortunately in order to clarify this we have to speak with the education
team and with the oss team to get science as a devel repo for packages with
limited, but scientific, use.
My opinion is Science and Education should be disjoint repos... with no deps
in between them but both shall depend on oss repo... and not on specific devel:
Packages of scientific interest shall have their devel in science.
on obs there is an interesting collection of scientific packages...
I have tried from time to time to submit them to science but maintaining them
can be a challenge for me... maybe we shall try the owners to submit them to
science and become maintainer of them in science repo rather than keeping them
in their home
one repo that comes is my mind is:
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Ascorot
Alin
Alin
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24 сентября 2012 20:31:45 Alin M Elena написал(а):
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I will try to compile a list with duplicates
within Education... if I get
time..
LabPlot
Education: linked to science, but exists package LabPlot-Handbook (version
1.6.0, main package version 2.0svn)
R-base
Education: linked to openSUSE:Factory
science: linked to devel:languages:R:base
avogadro
Education: devel for openSUSE:Factory
science: no link, changes for SLE build
chrpath
Education: linked to openSUSE:Factory
science: linked to devel:tools
fdupes
Education: linked to openSUSE:Factory
science: linked to openSUSE:Factory
flexdock
duplicate
gnucap
Education: devel for openSUSE:Factory
science: no link
gromacs
Education: linked to openSUSE:Factory
science: devel for openSUSE:Factory
gsl
Education: linked to openSUSE:Factory
science: linked to openSUSE:Factory
gtkglarea2
science: linked to Education
gtkglext
?
gtkglextmm
?
hdf5
Education: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
science: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
jcip-annotations
Education: linked to Java:packages
science: linked to Java:packages
jeuclid-core
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jgoodies-forms
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jgoodies-looks
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jgraphx
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jhdf5
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jimi
duplicate
jlatexmath
duplicate (only for scilab?)
jogl
Education: linked to science (only for scilab?)
jrosetta
duplicate (only for scilab?)
laf-plugin
duplicate
libeigen3-devel
Education: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
science: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
libsvm
science: linked to Education, but updates spec and added patch
maxima
Education: devel for openSUSE:Factory
science: linked to Education
muparser
Education: linked to science
science: devel for openSUSE:Factory
qtiplot
duplicate, new version in science
qwt
Education: linked to KDE:Distro:Factory
science: no link
qwtplot3d
Education: linked to science (comment: "only needed for SciDAVis which is
now in science", so it's possible to delete from Education?)
skinlf
duplicate
suitesparse
Education: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
science: linked to devel:libraries:c_c++
wxMaxima
Education: devel package for openSUSE:Factory
science: no link
xmlgraphics-common
duplicate (only for scilab?)
If package marked as "only for scilab?" and it's true, we need to remove
it
from Education
17:13
26 сентября 2012 10:28:04 Alin M Elena написал(а):
Dmitry thank you, this is what I meant. Until the two
repos do not become
disjoint it is difficult to have them safely both of them in community
repos.
Education in principle targets K12 level... so I see little reason for some
packages to be developed in it..
What is K12 level?
maxima is one that comes in my mind.
I agree, maxima development should be in science project.
I do not understand why the linking for some of the
packages...
(gromacs,gsl,R)
I disable gsl building in science, R-base is used only for SLE build. gromacs
has already been removed from Education.
unfortunately in order to clarify this we have to
speak with the education
team and with the oss team to get science as a devel repo for packages with
limited, but scientific, use.
Education project looks like a junkyard in some aspects.
My opinion is Science and Education should be disjoint
repos... with no deps
in between them but both shall depend on oss repo... and not on specific
devel:
Unfortunately we can't disable using of devel: projects in science project.
At
least they are needed for SLE builds and sometimes for 11.4. And I want to
move some java packages, required by scilab, to Java:packages project.
Packages of scientific interest shall have their devel
in science.
on obs there is an interesting collection of scientific packages...
I have tried from time to time to submit them to science but maintaining
them can be a challenge for me... maybe we shall try the owners to submit
them to science and become maintainer of them in science repo rather than
keeping them in their home
one repo that comes is my mind is:
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Ascorot
Sebastien is a science project maintainer, so you can contact him directly.
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18:12
Hi Dmitry,
K12 high school...
Maintaining for sles/sled I am not very happy with that... I would prefer to
concentrate only on opensuse current and future... maybe cause I am in a good
mood maybe current-1...
Human power is limited and I really do not see to many volunteers to support
more than 1 maybe two versions they do not use.
Some time ago we wanted to have a responsible for each branch of science...
unfortunately the plan did not work very well... but slowly the science repo
grew.
Great job of solving things between education and science I do not know how
you did it but congrats.
regards,
Alin
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Dmitry thank you, this is what I meant. Until the
two repos do not become
disjoint it is difficult to have them safely both of them in community
repos.
Education in principle targets K12 level... so I see little reason for
some packages to be developed in it..
What is K12 level?
maxima is one that comes in my mind.
I agree, maxima development should be in science project.
I do not understand why the linking for some of
the packages...
(gromacs,gsl,R)
I disable gsl building in science, R-base is used only for SLE build.
gromacs has already been removed from Education.
unfortunately in order to clarify this we have to
speak with the education
team and with the oss team to get science as a devel repo for packages
with
limited, but scientific, use.
Education project looks like a junkyard in some aspects.
My opinion is Science and Education should be
disjoint repos... with no
deps in between them but both shall depend on oss repo... and not on
specific
devel:
Unfortunately we can't disable using of devel: projects in science
project.
At least they are needed for SLE builds and sometimes for 11.4. And I want
to move some java packages, required by scilab, to Java:packages project.
Packages of scientific interest shall have their
devel in science.
on obs there is an interesting collection of scientific packages...
I have tried from time to time to submit them to science but maintaining
them can be a challenge for me... maybe we shall try the owners to submit
them to science and become maintainer of them in science repo rather than
keeping them in their home
one repo that comes is my mind is:
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Ascorot
Sebastien is a science project maintainer, so you can contact him directly.
18:49
26 сентября 2012 19:12:47 Alin M Elena написал(а):
Hi Dmitry,
K12 high school...
Maintaining for sles/sled I am not very happy with that... I would prefer to
concentrate only on opensuse current and future... maybe cause I am in a
good mood maybe current-1...
Yes, SLE support is a problem due to old versions of rpm and rpm macros
collection. But SLE is usually used in workstations and supercomputers.
Human power is limited and I really do not see to many
volunteers to support
more than 1 maybe two versions they do not use.
Some time ago we wanted to have a responsible for each branch of science...
unfortunately the plan did not work very well... but slowly the science repo
grew.
Great job of solving things between education and science I do not know how
you did it but congrats.
I used OBS :-) There is long list of problematic packages in science projects,
so work, work and work.
regards,
Alin
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20:23
Dmitry,
Supercomputers use sles,or better said some flavour,... and I should know, I
worked in one centre, we do not really use sles precompiled apps.
sled I have to admit I do not know anyone using, all people I know use
opensuse.
Now I do not want to be bad... but usually when sled is generated it is very
close to one of the opensuse versions... they can take whatever packages they
want at that moment and after maintain the updates.
I suggest you to start a thread with packages that need love on mailing list.
Periodically publish the status and ask for help... I am sure more people
would jump and help in this way.
Alin
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Hi Dmitry,
K12 high school...
Maintaining for sles/sled I am not very happy with that... I would prefer
to concentrate only on opensuse current and future... maybe cause I am in
a good mood maybe current-1...
Yes, SLE support is a problem due to old versions of rpm and rpm macros
collection. But SLE is usually used in workstations and supercomputers.
Human power is limited and I really do not see to
many volunteers to
support more than 1 maybe two versions they do not use.
Some time ago we wanted to have a responsible for each branch of
science...
unfortunately the plan did not work very well... but slowly the science
repo grew.
Great job of solving things between education and science I do not know
how
you did it but congrats.
I used OBS :-) There is long list of problematic packages in science
projects, so work, work and work.
> regards,
> Alin
25 Sep
25 Sep
16:02
23 сентября 2012 13:42:31 Jan Engelhardt написал(а):
Rather than adding more and more repositories to a
system,
the packages should be submitted to Factory.
Like everything else.
Unfortunately it's impossible to add all packages to factory. For example,
it's necessary to disable post build checks for scilab.
And Jos Poortvliet was right, sometimes updates in scientific software are
very important. It would be great to allow access to new versions by the
easiest way.
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