- openSUSE Features

[openFate 303311] Include Pidgin and the Conferencing Plugin for Pidgin
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Feature changed by: Gary Ekker <gekker(a)novell.com> Feature #303311, revision 10 Title: Include Pidgin and the Conferencing Plugin for Pidgin SLED-10-SP2: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Important SLED-11: Candidate Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Important Requested by: Gary Ekker <gekker(a)novell.com> + Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: The Teaming + Conferencing product team from the workgroup BU would like us to include pidgin and the conferencing plugin for pidgin in SLED10-SP2. Discussion: #1: Gary Ekker <gekker(a)novell.com> (2008-02-15 13:37:24) Pidgin was added. We were unable to add the zon-plugin and libicecore as there are still some packaging issues to be worked out for libicecore. libicecore is also not yet ready for x86_64. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=303311

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[openFate 302220] Automatic Language Subpackage Generation and Collection
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Feature changed by: Gary Ekker <gekker(a)novell.com> Feature #302220, revision 14 Title: Automatic Language Subpackage Generation and Collection openSUSE-10.3: Done Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Mandatory SLED-11: Candidate Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)novell.com> + Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: To decrease size of installed packages, we want to create language subpackages similar to yast2-trans-$lang and kde-i18n-$lang for other areas. This feature is needed for one CD installations and helps also with thin-client. The idea is to add to spec file of packages a new rpm macro so that subpackages are created and then related subpackages are repacked for each language in our build system. This way we would get e.g. basesystem-$lang and gnome-$lang packages and those can then be installed. - external ID: openSUSE.org Discussion: #1: Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)novell.com> (2007-05-14 13:30:09) Technically it's not a problem. The tools are there, but we need to change ~500 packages to split translations out. Suggestions? Letting them fail or submit them in masses? #2: Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)novell.com> (2007-06-15 16:34:23) (reply to #1) Please discuss on dist mailing list. #3: Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)novell.com> (2007-07-30 09:48:08) we've done it for KDE and saved about 8MB for the english only CD. But the potential for GNOME / Base is still big. #4: Jared Allen <jpallen(a)novell.com> (2007-08-05 21:41:40) Micheal can you take a look at what Stephan did for KDE and see what can be done for GNOME. #5: Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)novell.com> (2007-10-01 12:00:15) done for 10.3, to be reevaluated if enterprise compatible for 11.0 - Thorsten had his doubts. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=302220

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[openFate 301919] Ship nspluginwrapper to better support 32bit Firefox plugins on 64bit systems
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Feature changed by: Gary Ekker <gekker(a)novell.com> Feature #301919, revision 21 Title: Ship nspluginwrapper to better support 32bit Firefox plugins on 64bit systems openSUSE-10.3: Done Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Mandatory SLED-11: Evaluation Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Important Archs: i386, x86-64 SLES-11: Evaluation Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Important Requested by: Klaus Kämpf <kkaempf(a)novell.com> + Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As of openSUSE 10.2, components of the Mozilla browser suite are building on 64bit. However, plugin compatibility is suffering (e.g. flash-player not working). The nspluginwrapper (available at freshmeat (http://freshmeat.net/projects/nspluginwrapper) fixes these issues nicely References: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=229257 - external ID: openSUSE.org Discussion: #1: Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)novell.com> (2007-07-27 10:04:18) We're shipping nspluginwrapper now. Unfortunately it does not handle Java yet. #2: Gary Ekker <gekker(a)novell.com> (2008-05-28 20:34:33) Michael, what would it take to finish this off for 11.1 and SLED11? #3: Stefan Behlert <behlert(a)novell.com> (2008-07-01 23:30:58) (reply to #2) Michael? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=301919

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[openFate 301791] "Report a bug" a-la-Safari for Mozilla Firefox
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Feature changed by: Gary Ekker <gekker(a)novell.com> Feature #301791, revision 23 Title: "Report a bug" a-la-Safari for Mozilla Firefox openSUSE-11.0: Evaluation Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Desirable Archs: i386, x86-64 openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Important SLED-11: Evaluation Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Important Archs: i386, x86-64 Requested by: Guy Lunardi <glunardi(a)novell.com> + Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Apple's Safari web browser introduced a really easy for end-users to report public URLs which didn't render properly in Safari. It would be very nice if we could offer something similar for our Firefox. what you should be able to send: - Once Address URL - Description - Problem: other problem, missing content, imcorrect behavior, incorrect aspect, empty page, unable to load the page or unable to connect. - Send screenshot - Send source code - external ID: openSUSE.org Discussion: #1: JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> (2008-02-28 23:27:20) How is this fundamentally different from Help->Report Broken Website in 2.0.12> I guess code is not sent nor is the screenshot, but this is all the upstream developers are requesting. Or are you intending submission to bugzilla.novell.com? #2: Guy Lunardi <glunardi(a)novell.com> (2008-03-05 18:26:47) (reply to #1) JP, thanks for pointing this out. The solution is very close right now. What it doesn't support is the sharing information for pages that are 'Intranet-based' and not 'Internet-based'. One of our customer may want to report a problem with Firefox with an homegrown application which the developers looking at the results of this submission can't access. Embedding the results (as MTHML or html source) would be the one missing feature. The other thing is that this content probably goes upstream. Should it come to Novell? #3: Gary Ekker <gekker(a)novell.com> (2008-05-09 10:23:42) Michael, does this like something you could do? Or do we need to find another developer? #4: Michael Wolf <maw(a)novell.com> (2008-05-30 18:27:09) (reply to #3) Not sure yet, but I'll look into it. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=301791

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[openFate 303520] Default NTP Setup
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

Feature changed by: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> Feature #303520, revision 20 Title: Default NTP Setup - openSUSE-11.1: Candidate + openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Mandatory - SLED-11: Candidate + SLED-11: Done Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Mandatory - SLES-11: Candidate + SLES-11: Done Priority Requester: Mandatory Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Federico Lucifredi <flucifredi(a)novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: A Yast pane should prompt for NTP set up, which should be configured by default, but of course can also be disabled there. Documentation Impact: Installation guide needs to be updated. Discussion: #1: Stanislav Visnovsky <visnov(a)novell.com> (2008-06-17 12:56:47) Federico, NTP setup is already possible. Do you want it in a more prominent place? Also I see a missing way for the product to pre-define the value, correct? #2: Federico Lucifredi <flucifredi(a)novell.com> (2008-06-23 21:03:12) (reply to #1) right. I want to see it pre-enabled by default againt a dedicated suse. pool.ntp.org / time.novell.com server (separate feature for that). We are lagging a bit behind Win and Mac where the vendos provide their own time source, and we need to catch up there. #3: Jiri Srain <jsrain(a)novell.com> (2008-07-07 12:18:32) We will need not only to enable NTP during installation, but display this information in the installation proposal (and possibly time zone dialog) as well. #6: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-12 13:27:44) (reply to #3) OK, this (http://w3.suse.de/~jsuchome/screenshots/yast2-timezone-ntp-status.png) is proposal how to show the info in current time zone dialog. It is probably bad that status is part of the frame label, but I didn't want to take more space from the whole dialog by adding new line... #4: Stephan Kulow <coolo(a)novell.com> (2008-07-31 16:15:46) for openSUSE it's 0.opensuse.pool.ntp.org 1.opensuse.pool.ntp.org 2. opensuse.pool.ntp.org 3.opensuse.pool.ntp.org, for SLE there is no NTP server. time.novell.com can not be used, IS&T does not provide that level of service. + #7: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-09-02 16:05:00) + Alpha2 solution is working, to solve remaining issues there is a bug + 422128. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=303520

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[openFate 304889] needs_relogin/needs_reboot as a generic flag
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Feature changed by: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> Feature #304889, revision 25 Title: needs_relogin/needs_reboot as a generic flag openSUSE-11.1: Candidate Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: There are situations, where relogin or reboot are needed to activate update: * package updates * proxy settings Now this situation is not done in a consistent way (silently ignoring problem, note in help, abuse of License entry, pop-up...). Providing a common way for setting these flags (via package provides, YaST calls, sysconfig comments) (and maybe comment what will happen ignoring it) would help in user experience (user is notified about need of relogin/reboot in a consistent way and only once) and administration (automatic relogin or reboot during maintenance window). Discussion: #1: Stanislav Visnovsky <visnov(a)novell.com> (2008-06-26 14:15:12) needs_reboot is properly handled by our tools. needs_relogin does not exist. #2: Jiri Srain <jsrain(a)novell.com> (2008-07-07 10:46:59) (reply to #1) We handle reboot only for package management not for anything else (the question is whether it is relevant somewhere else), thus we will need to have a more generic solution. Martin, would you, please, have a look and suggest a generic handler? #3: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> (2008-07-09 15:26:16) needs_relogin would be useful in these situations: * New package, which provides file in /etc/profile.d was installed (or /etc/profile.d was singnificantly modified by the update). Example: ladspa * Packages, that cause that /etc/profile will evaluate environment. Example: Install any KDE application in GNOME only system. /opt/kde3 is not in PATH until next login * Patches, that affect login related programs. Example: security update of ssh-agent or gnome-keyring * YaST settings, that cause environment variable changes. Example: System proxy settings #4: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-07 22:06:14) Stefan, how is restart and reboot currently handled in packagekit, what would we need for relogin? #5: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-07 22:06:58) (note, ZYpp parts are already done, applications missing ) #6: Stefan Haas <shaas(a)novell.com> (2008-08-08 09:55:52) PackageKit has three different types for reboot/restart: -Restart System -Restart Application -Restart Session #7: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:25:11) Stefan Haas will adapt code from PackageKit to support this flag. #8: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:25:57) Thomas, does the KDE applet handle the relogin needed flag from PackageKit? #10: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-13 14:27:08) (reply to #8) kde4-kupdateapplet listens to PackageKit's restart signal since version 0.8.4. #9: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:26:53) Ladislav, is are the current flags in YaST handled in pkg-bindings? #11: Ladislav Slezak <lslezak(a)novell.com> (2008-08-20 12:16:02) (reply to #9) I just have committed the support for Patch::reloginSuggested() flag in yast SVN. It will be in yast2-pkg-bindings-2.17.8. I guess we also need some support in YCP... Jiri? #12: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-21 15:19:11) Thomas/Stefan: which message does the applet show? I think we should try to show the same one in YaST and zypper. (BTW, zypper should be adapted as well -> Jano) #13: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-21 17:20:24) (reply to #12) kupdateapplet shows "Please reboot your system as soon as possible." or "Please relogin into your system as soon as possible.". If PackageKit provides details, these details are shown too. Please let me know if you prefer other strings. #14: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 09:36:44) (reply to #13) Thanks. So I'm going to use this one "At least one of the updates installed requires restart of the session. Relogin into your system as soon as possible." I removed the "Please" intentionally, as such wording should not be used (I assume it can be found is the text style guide) and added kind of explanation sentence (similar is used by YaST in similar situations). #15: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:16:33) (reply to #14) I've removed the "please", too. Thanks for your hint. #16: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:21:14) (reply to #14) Please tell me, how could I set this flag in the spec file. Actually, scriptlets are the best place to do it, as there is possible to filter unneeded restarts. Example: If krb5-client package is installed for the first time, relogin is required, but in case of update from new enough version, relogin is not needed, because there is no change in /etc/profile. d/krb5.sh. #18: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:51:59) (reply to #16) I have no idea if this flag can be used for packages. My understanding is that it is part of patch description. + #19: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 12:44:15) (reply + to #18) + Relogin is needed especially for newly installed packages. "As a + generic flag" in the FATE was intended as: Generic solution usable in + both yast and packages. Packages need most probably a command line + utility to set this flag in YaST. #17: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:50:48) (reply to #12) YaST part done in yast2-online-update-2.17.5 -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=304889

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[openFate 304889] needs_relogin/needs_reboot as a generic flag
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Feature changed by: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> Feature #304889, revision 24 Title: needs_relogin/needs_reboot as a generic flag openSUSE-11.1: Candidate Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: There are situations, where relogin or reboot are needed to activate update: * package updates * proxy settings Now this situation is not done in a consistent way (silently ignoring problem, note in help, abuse of License entry, pop-up...). Providing a common way for setting these flags (via package provides, YaST calls, sysconfig comments) (and maybe comment what will happen ignoring it) would help in user experience (user is notified about need of relogin/reboot in a consistent way and only once) and administration (automatic relogin or reboot during maintenance window). Discussion: #1: Stanislav Visnovsky <visnov(a)novell.com> (2008-06-26 14:15:12) needs_reboot is properly handled by our tools. needs_relogin does not exist. #2: Jiri Srain <jsrain(a)novell.com> (2008-07-07 10:46:59) (reply to #1) We handle reboot only for package management not for anything else (the question is whether it is relevant somewhere else), thus we will need to have a more generic solution. Martin, would you, please, have a look and suggest a generic handler? #3: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> (2008-07-09 15:26:16) needs_relogin would be useful in these situations: * New package, which provides file in /etc/profile.d was installed (or /etc/profile.d was singnificantly modified by the update). Example: ladspa * Packages, that cause that /etc/profile will evaluate environment. Example: Install any KDE application in GNOME only system. /opt/kde3 is not in PATH until next login * Patches, that affect login related programs. Example: security update of ssh-agent or gnome-keyring * YaST settings, that cause environment variable changes. Example: System proxy settings #4: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-07 22:06:14) Stefan, how is restart and reboot currently handled in packagekit, what would we need for relogin? #5: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-07 22:06:58) (note, ZYpp parts are already done, applications missing ) #6: Stefan Haas <shaas(a)novell.com> (2008-08-08 09:55:52) PackageKit has three different types for reboot/restart: -Restart System -Restart Application -Restart Session #7: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:25:11) Stefan Haas will adapt code from PackageKit to support this flag. #8: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:25:57) Thomas, does the KDE applet handle the relogin needed flag from PackageKit? #10: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-13 14:27:08) (reply to #8) kde4-kupdateapplet listens to PackageKit's restart signal since version 0.8.4. #9: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:26:53) Ladislav, is are the current flags in YaST handled in pkg-bindings? #11: Ladislav Slezak <lslezak(a)novell.com> (2008-08-20 12:16:02) (reply to #9) I just have committed the support for Patch::reloginSuggested() flag in yast SVN. It will be in yast2-pkg-bindings-2.17.8. I guess we also need some support in YCP... Jiri? #12: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-21 15:19:11) Thomas/Stefan: which message does the applet show? I think we should try to show the same one in YaST and zypper. (BTW, zypper should be adapted as well -> Jano) #13: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-21 17:20:24) (reply to #12) kupdateapplet shows "Please reboot your system as soon as possible." or "Please relogin into your system as soon as possible.". If PackageKit provides details, these details are shown too. Please let me know if you prefer other strings. #14: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 09:36:44) (reply to #13) Thanks. So I'm going to use this one "At least one of the updates installed requires restart of the session. Relogin into your system as soon as possible." I removed the "Please" intentionally, as such wording should not be used (I assume it can be found is the text style guide) and added kind of explanation sentence (similar is used by YaST in similar situations). #15: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:16:33) (reply to #14) I've removed the "please", too. Thanks for your hint. #16: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:21:14) (reply to #14) Please tell me, how could I set this flag in the spec file. Actually, scriptlets are the best place to do it, as there is possible to filter unneeded restarts. Example: If krb5-client package is installed for the first time, relogin is required, but in case of update from new enough version, relogin is not needed, because there is no change in /etc/profile. d/krb5.sh. + #18: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:51:59) (reply + to #16) + I have no idea if this flag can be used for packages. My understanding + is that it is part of patch description. + #17: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:50:48) (reply + to #12) + YaST part done in yast2-online-update-2.17.5 -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=304889

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[openFate 304889] needs_relogin/needs_reboot as a generic flag
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Feature changed by: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> Feature #304889, revision 23 Title: needs_relogin/needs_reboot as a generic flag openSUSE-11.1: Candidate Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: There are situations, where relogin or reboot are needed to activate update: * package updates * proxy settings Now this situation is not done in a consistent way (silently ignoring problem, note in help, abuse of License entry, pop-up...). Providing a common way for setting these flags (via package provides, YaST calls, sysconfig comments) (and maybe comment what will happen ignoring it) would help in user experience (user is notified about need of relogin/reboot in a consistent way and only once) and administration (automatic relogin or reboot during maintenance window). Discussion: #1: Stanislav Visnovsky <visnov(a)novell.com> (2008-06-26 14:15:12) needs_reboot is properly handled by our tools. needs_relogin does not exist. #2: Jiri Srain <jsrain(a)novell.com> (2008-07-07 10:46:59) (reply to #1) We handle reboot only for package management not for anything else (the question is whether it is relevant somewhere else), thus we will need to have a more generic solution. Martin, would you, please, have a look and suggest a generic handler? #3: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> (2008-07-09 15:26:16) needs_relogin would be useful in these situations: * New package, which provides file in /etc/profile.d was installed (or /etc/profile.d was singnificantly modified by the update). Example: ladspa * Packages, that cause that /etc/profile will evaluate environment. Example: Install any KDE application in GNOME only system. /opt/kde3 is not in PATH until next login * Patches, that affect login related programs. Example: security update of ssh-agent or gnome-keyring * YaST settings, that cause environment variable changes. Example: System proxy settings #4: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-07 22:06:14) Stefan, how is restart and reboot currently handled in packagekit, what would we need for relogin? #5: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-07 22:06:58) (note, ZYpp parts are already done, applications missing ) #6: Stefan Haas <shaas(a)novell.com> (2008-08-08 09:55:52) PackageKit has three different types for reboot/restart: -Restart System -Restart Application -Restart Session #7: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:25:11) Stefan Haas will adapt code from PackageKit to support this flag. #8: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:25:57) Thomas, does the KDE applet handle the relogin needed flag from PackageKit? #10: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-13 14:27:08) (reply to #8) kde4-kupdateapplet listens to PackageKit's restart signal since version 0.8.4. #9: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:26:53) Ladislav, is are the current flags in YaST handled in pkg-bindings? #11: Ladislav Slezak <lslezak(a)novell.com> (2008-08-20 12:16:02) (reply to #9) I just have committed the support for Patch::reloginSuggested() flag in yast SVN. It will be in yast2-pkg-bindings-2.17.8. I guess we also need some support in YCP... Jiri? #12: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-21 15:19:11) Thomas/Stefan: which message does the applet show? I think we should try to show the same one in YaST and zypper. (BTW, zypper should be adapted as well -> Jano) #13: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-21 17:20:24) (reply to #12) kupdateapplet shows "Please reboot your system as soon as possible." or "Please relogin into your system as soon as possible.". If PackageKit provides details, these details are shown too. Please let me know if you prefer other strings. #14: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 09:36:44) (reply to #13) Thanks. So I'm going to use this one "At least one of the updates installed requires restart of the session. Relogin into your system as soon as possible." I removed the "Please" intentionally, as such wording should not be used (I assume it can be found is the text style guide) and added kind of explanation sentence (similar is used by YaST in similar situations). #15: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:16:33) (reply to #14) I've removed the "please", too. Thanks for your hint. + #16: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:21:14) (reply + to #14) + Please tell me, how could I set this flag in the spec file. Actually, + scriptlets are the best place to do it, as there is possible to filter + unneeded restarts. + Example: If krb5-client package is installed for the first time, + relogin is required, but in case of update from new enough version, + relogin is not needed, because there is no change in /etc/profile. + d/krb5.sh. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=304889

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[openFate 304889] needs_relogin/needs_reboot as a generic flag
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Feature changed by: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> Feature #304889, revision 22 Title: needs_relogin/needs_reboot as a generic flag openSUSE-11.1: Candidate Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: There are situations, where relogin or reboot are needed to activate update: * package updates * proxy settings Now this situation is not done in a consistent way (silently ignoring problem, note in help, abuse of License entry, pop-up...). Providing a common way for setting these flags (via package provides, YaST calls, sysconfig comments) (and maybe comment what will happen ignoring it) would help in user experience (user is notified about need of relogin/reboot in a consistent way and only once) and administration (automatic relogin or reboot during maintenance window). Discussion: #1: Stanislav Visnovsky <visnov(a)novell.com> (2008-06-26 14:15:12) needs_reboot is properly handled by our tools. needs_relogin does not exist. #2: Jiri Srain <jsrain(a)novell.com> (2008-07-07 10:46:59) (reply to #1) We handle reboot only for package management not for anything else (the question is whether it is relevant somewhere else), thus we will need to have a more generic solution. Martin, would you, please, have a look and suggest a generic handler? #3: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> (2008-07-09 15:26:16) needs_relogin would be useful in these situations: * New package, which provides file in /etc/profile.d was installed (or /etc/profile.d was singnificantly modified by the update). Example: ladspa * Packages, that cause that /etc/profile will evaluate environment. Example: Install any KDE application in GNOME only system. /opt/kde3 is not in PATH until next login * Patches, that affect login related programs. Example: security update of ssh-agent or gnome-keyring * YaST settings, that cause environment variable changes. Example: System proxy settings #4: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-07 22:06:14) Stefan, how is restart and reboot currently handled in packagekit, what would we need for relogin? #5: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-07 22:06:58) (note, ZYpp parts are already done, applications missing ) #6: Stefan Haas <shaas(a)novell.com> (2008-08-08 09:55:52) PackageKit has three different types for reboot/restart: -Restart System -Restart Application -Restart Session #7: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:25:11) Stefan Haas will adapt code from PackageKit to support this flag. #8: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:25:57) Thomas, does the KDE applet handle the relogin needed flag from PackageKit? #10: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-13 14:27:08) (reply to #8) kde4-kupdateapplet listens to PackageKit's restart signal since version 0.8.4. #9: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:26:53) Ladislav, is are the current flags in YaST handled in pkg-bindings? #11: Ladislav Slezak <lslezak(a)novell.com> (2008-08-20 12:16:02) (reply to #9) I just have committed the support for Patch::reloginSuggested() flag in yast SVN. It will be in yast2-pkg-bindings-2.17.8. I guess we also need some support in YCP... Jiri? #12: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-21 15:19:11) Thomas/Stefan: which message does the applet show? I think we should try to show the same one in YaST and zypper. (BTW, zypper should be adapted as well -> Jano) #13: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-21 17:20:24) (reply to #12) kupdateapplet shows "Please reboot your system as soon as possible." or "Please relogin into your system as soon as possible.". If PackageKit provides details, these details are shown too. Please let me know if you prefer other strings. #14: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 09:36:44) (reply to #13) Thanks. So I'm going to use this one "At least one of the updates installed requires restart of the session. Relogin into your system as soon as possible." I removed the "Please" intentionally, as such wording should not be used (I assume it can be found is the text style guide) and added kind of explanation sentence (similar is used by YaST in similar situations). + #15: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 11:16:33) + (reply to #14) + I've removed the "please", too. Thanks for your hint. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=304889

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[openFate 304889] needs_relogin/needs_reboot as a generic flag
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Feature changed by: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> Feature #304889, revision 21 Title: needs_relogin/needs_reboot as a generic flag openSUSE-11.1: Candidate Priority Requester: Neutral Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: There are situations, where relogin or reboot are needed to activate update: * package updates * proxy settings Now this situation is not done in a consistent way (silently ignoring problem, note in help, abuse of License entry, pop-up...). Providing a common way for setting these flags (via package provides, YaST calls, sysconfig comments) (and maybe comment what will happen ignoring it) would help in user experience (user is notified about need of relogin/reboot in a consistent way and only once) and administration (automatic relogin or reboot during maintenance window). Discussion: #1: Stanislav Visnovsky <visnov(a)novell.com> (2008-06-26 14:15:12) needs_reboot is properly handled by our tools. needs_relogin does not exist. #2: Jiri Srain <jsrain(a)novell.com> (2008-07-07 10:46:59) (reply to #1) We handle reboot only for package management not for anything else (the question is whether it is relevant somewhere else), thus we will need to have a more generic solution. Martin, would you, please, have a look and suggest a generic handler? #3: Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)novell.com> (2008-07-09 15:26:16) needs_relogin would be useful in these situations: * New package, which provides file in /etc/profile.d was installed (or /etc/profile.d was singnificantly modified by the update). Example: ladspa * Packages, that cause that /etc/profile will evaluate environment. Example: Install any KDE application in GNOME only system. /opt/kde3 is not in PATH until next login * Patches, that affect login related programs. Example: security update of ssh-agent or gnome-keyring * YaST settings, that cause environment variable changes. Example: System proxy settings #4: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-07 22:06:14) Stefan, how is restart and reboot currently handled in packagekit, what would we need for relogin? #5: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-07 22:06:58) (note, ZYpp parts are already done, applications missing ) #6: Stefan Haas <shaas(a)novell.com> (2008-08-08 09:55:52) PackageKit has three different types for reboot/restart: -Restart System -Restart Application -Restart Session #7: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:25:11) Stefan Haas will adapt code from PackageKit to support this flag. #8: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:25:57) Thomas, does the KDE applet handle the relogin needed flag from PackageKit? #10: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-13 14:27:08) (reply to #8) kde4-kupdateapplet listens to PackageKit's restart signal since version 0.8.4. #9: Duncan Mac-Vicar <dmacvicar(a)novell.com> (2008-08-11 17:26:53) Ladislav, is are the current flags in YaST handled in pkg-bindings? #11: Ladislav Slezak <lslezak(a)novell.com> (2008-08-20 12:16:02) (reply to #9) I just have committed the support for Patch::reloginSuggested() flag in yast SVN. It will be in yast2-pkg-bindings-2.17.8. I guess we also need some support in YCP... Jiri? #12: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-21 15:19:11) Thomas/Stefan: which message does the applet show? I think we should try to show the same one in YaST and zypper. (BTW, zypper should be adapted as well -> Jano) #13: Thomas Göttlicher <tgoettlicher(a)novell.com> (2008-08-21 17:20:24) (reply to #12) kupdateapplet shows "Please reboot your system as soon as possible." or "Please relogin into your system as soon as possible.". If PackageKit provides details, these details are shown too. Please let me know if you prefer other strings. + #14: Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome(a)novell.com> (2008-08-22 09:36:44) (reply + to #13) + Thanks. + So I'm going to use this one "At least one of the updates installed + requires restart of the session. Relogin into your system as soon as + possible." + I removed the "Please" intentionally, as such wording should not be + used (I assume it can be found is the text style guide) and added kind + of explanation sentence (similar is used by YaST in similar + situations). -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=304889

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