December 2012 - openSUSE Features - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[New: openFATE 309190] include FFADO (upgrade from freebob)
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 28 Dec '12

28 Dec '12

Feature added by: Steffen Klein (sklein7) Feature #309190, revision 1 Title: include FFADO (upgrade from freebob) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Steffen Klein (sklein7) Description: FFADO v2 is released since December 2009. It is the successor of the freebob firewire audio driver. The FFADO-release supports more hardware than freebob. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/309190

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[New: openFATE 314708] Netflix-desktop for opensuse
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 28 Dec '12

28 Dec '12

Feature added by: Ralph Bromley (MadmanRB) Feature #314708, revision 1 Title: Netflix-desktop for opensuse openFATE: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ralph Bromley (madmanrb) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Recently netflix has been cracked for linux, and its offered on competing distributions such as ubuntu, fuduntu and arch. But there is no native package for opensuse nor installing an RPM fix the issue as the only RPM based distro that has netfilix is fuduntru and its RPM does not seem to work under opensuse. packaging this and wine-compholio will be a solution, converting this from alien doesnt work and really compiling packages are a pain for new users. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314708

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[New: openFATE 308243] Add Koha to opensuse Education Distro please. open-source ILS. http://koha.org/
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 28 Dec '12

28 Dec '12

Feature added by: Glenn Doig (doiggl) Feature #308243, revision 1 Title: Add Koha to opensuse Education Distro please. open-source ILS. http://koha.org/ Package Wishlist: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Glenn Doig (doiggl) Description: Add Koha to opensuse Education Distro please. Koha is a full-featured open-source ILS. http://koha.org/ Thanks -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308243

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[New: openFATE 312796] opensuse 12.1 - integrate libKGoogle into Kontact to share google calendars etc
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 24 Dec '12

24 Dec '12

Feature added by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix) Feature #312796, revision 1 Title: opensuse 12.1 - integrate libKGoogle into Kontact to share google calendars etc openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: A GSOC project that ought to be integrated into Kontact in 21.1: http://progdan.cz/2011/08/akonadi-google-resource-complete-rewrite/ -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/312796

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[openFATE 300758] Show unneeded packages
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

Feature changed by: Michael Schröder (mlschroe) Feature #300758, revision 147 Title: Show unneeded packages openSUSE-10.2: Rejected by Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) reject date: 2006-08-02 11:31:19 reject reason: For SL10.2 we have to get libzypp really stable and fast before we add new features. Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.3: Done Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Important Requested by: JP Rosevear (jproseve) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: The package manager should learn to show unneeded packages (packages which are not required by other packages and are not in wanted selections) and allow to deinstall them like the popular debfoster/deborphan tools. A typical use case: user installs an application which pulls in some dependencies to test it, uninstalls the application shortly after or way later but the dependencies stay unused installed on the system. Commandline UI (zypper) only. References: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=166132 Discussion: #1: Jiri Srain (jsrain) (2007-06-05 13:46:00) Schubi, is there any possibility to make solver tell which packages are orphanized? It would be interesting especially if the packages which are marked for deletion were considered as non-installed (eg. if foo- devel is installed but marked for deletion and nothing else requires foo, then foo is orphanized). #2: Stefan Schubert (schubi2) (2007-06-06 11:04:04) (reply to #1) Currently not cause the solver has no information about who (user, package,...) has triggered the installation of a package. If we are storing this information it would be possible for solver to remove these kind of packages too. It is not simple but doable. By the way, we will have to store this kind of information in the future. E.g. we need to save the "keep state by user" in a database in order to regard this state in future solver runs. #3: Jiri Srain (jsrain) (2007-06-06 14:25:07) (reply to #2) Looks like a missunderstanding. Basically every package wihch is not required/recommended/suggested or doesn't enhance anything that is installed and not marked for deletion is IMO considered to be orphanized. If user eg. wants to remove a pattern including all its packages (which are not required by something else), solver providing this kind of information would help a lot (and I don't think that we would need any other information to be stored. #4: Stefan Schubert (schubi2) (2007-06-06 15:33:44) (reply to #3) I do not think so. What does "orphanized" mean ? Let me take your example from comment #1. foo should be deleted too if the user delete foo-devel and foo has been installed due the requirement of foo-devel. BUT the user will kill us if we are deleting foo although the user has installed foo explicit sometime ago in a seperate installation workflow. So this information ( The USER has installed foo) will be currently not saved and is needed here to decide if foo has to be deleted or not. #5: Stefan Schubert (schubi2) (2007-06-06 15:39:47) (reply to #3) Lets take your example concerning the erasing of patterns. That is much more complex. I have already described the problem here: http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp/Solver#Known_Problems " Proper behaviour of erasing patterns" There are already some bugzilla entries: Bug 274283 - Delete iFolder from YaST makes eDirectory Delete mandatory Bug 238250 - YaST does not upgrade an Add-on Product #6: Jiri Srain (jsrain) (2007-06-08 16:46:32) See also https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=166132 This is another use case for the same solver functionality #8: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-06-12 20:46:17) this should be commandline-only, definitely an advanced-user option. #9: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-06-12 20:47:28) cut from description: See Bug 140346 #10: Duncan Mac-Vicar (dmacvicar) (2008-11-03 11:24:53) As discussed in Prague, this could be done using the package history once we have a reader. #11: Karsten König (remur) (2009-01-19 10:09:49) How about using rpmorphan, I agree with flucifredi about the command line idea... http://rpmorphan.sourceforge.net/ And otherwise you could use their system to find orphanized packages and display them in yast but make clear that deleting -all orphanized packages will also delete the ones explicitly installed... (it only detects wether the package fullfiles any requirement...) #12: Ján Kupec (jkupec) (2009-01-19 14:48:38) (reply to #11) I'm not the solver developer, but i'm pretty sure it's easy (and probably more effective) to find the 'leaf' packages (that's what rpmorphan seems to do) using existing solver (see satsolver package). But we don't want to just highlight leaf packages, we want to remove unused packages, that is all leaves minus those explicitly installed. So we will feed the solver with this 'explicitly-installed' information. The package history will be the source of this info for now. Maybe later we find some way to store this info that could be used across tools (e.g. directly in the rpm db). So rpmorphan will be able to use this info as well. #13: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2009-01-19 15:44:26) (reply to #12) Yes, that's good idea. Detecting leaf packages is the first step. Detecting which ones to remove (i.e. not explicitly installed) is the second. I think that rpmorphan shows all leaf packages, but it selects only the ones that start with "lib". If we strictly followed library packaging policy that would do the trick. btw. rpmorphan is packaged in Contrib (http://en.opensuse.org/Contrib) #14: Michal Smrž (ilfirin) (2009-03-07 20:05:22) (reply to #11) I am afraid of using rpmorphan to do this. Cause last time, I tested it, it wants to remove libdvdnav and libdvdcss libraries. This is very bad. It leads to many not advanced users to ask in phorums "Why OpenSUSE is not playing DVDs anymore?" I see many problems this could make. #15: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) (2009-04-21 15:23:06) We don't have the resources to implementing this. Seems to be a prefect fit for a community project. #17: Piotrek Juzwiak (benderbendingrodriguez) (2009-04-22 07:58:47) Maybe the idea to accomplish this would be simply by using the packages. xml file and diff it. We can already export what packages we got right? So if it would compare the packages.xml before installation and after it would then delete it. There is a problem when installing many packages, they would all have to be "grouped" which pulled which dependencies. #20: Vladimirs Kuzmins (vovachaka) (2009-10-26 16:27:51) This feature is a specially important, now when we have distro upgrade, which changes a lot of dependencies and a lot of obsolete packages remain installed. Please, someone implement it! #21: Thomas Göttlicher (tgoettlicher) (2009-10-26 16:41:29) I've added a view for orphaned packages in yast2-qt-pkg. There is a package group "orphaned packages" similar to "suggested packages" and "recommended packages" in yast2-qt-pkg version 2.18.17. #22: Atri Bhattacharya (badshah400) (2009-10-31 14:55:26) (reply to #21) Thanks for implementing this much needed feature. But this feature does not work with the gtk interface in 11.2 RC2; please have this added for the final release of 11.2. #23: Kornél Jahn (cornail) (2009-11-02 07:48:05) (reply to #21) Tried to test this but didn't seem to work on RC2: Orphaned packages view is empty. E.g. installed blender, which pulled yafray. After uninstalling blender, yafray remained installed but didn't show up as an orphaned package. Also installing audacity or inkscape pulled a lot of dependencies which were not showed as orphaned after uninstalling them. #24: Kornél Jahn (cornail) (2009-11-02 08:06:38) (reply to #23) Since it is marked as done, I filed a bug for it: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551771 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551771) #25: Ján Kupec (jkupec) (2009-11-30 14:18:55) (reply to #21) There has been a misunderstanding here. What Thomas implemented is a view of packages that no longer have update candidates (those which are probably no longer maintained, thus 'orphaned'). This very fate request (IMO) incorrectly uses the word 'orphaned' for what is better described as "unused packages" or "no longer needed packages", or "unnecessary packages". Definitely not orphans (deborphan/rpmorphan is also a misfortunate name IMO). Anyway, whether orphan or unused, this feature is not implemented yet, thus i'm reopening it for 11.3. #26: Ján Kupec (jkupec) (2009-11-30 14:21:27) reopening for 11.3 (see comment #25) #27: Ján Kupec (jkupec) (2009-11-30 14:30:44) I suggest to call these packages unused instead of orphaned . I don't want to decide this by myself, so please speak up. Here are my arguments: 1) the word 'orphan' describes something that has lost its parent(s). In this case, it is actually the child that was lost - a package that depended on other package has been removed. The parent package is still installed, but there's no more use for it - it's unused . 2) we (and a few other distros and communities as well) already use orphaned to describe packages that are no longer cared for - unmaintained packages, packages dropped from distros. #28: Ján Kupec (jkupec) (2009-11-30 15:05:21) (reply to #27) Thomas suggests that perhaps not needed (or no longer needed ) would be better than unused since 'unused' can be confused with 'not used by user' rather than 'not used by other packages'. #29: Roberto Mannai (robermann79) (2009-11-30 15:40:37) Undependent packages : packages which don't have any(more) dependency. #30: Kornél Jahn (cornail) (2009-11-30 16:15:08) I also support the not needed / no longer needed version. Orphaned is bad since it can be misunderstood, just like "undependent package", if Roberto meant to suggest it as a description for this phenomenon. Case A: If I install manually package X, which doesn't have any dependencies nor is it referred to by any other package, it is not a "not needed" one. 'Cause it was manually installed by the user. Case B: Package X is installed automatically as a dependency while installing package Y. Package Y is then removed, but X stays, with no other package referring to it as a dependency. X is then a "not needed" package. #31: Roberto Mannai (robermann79) (2009-11-30 17:00:02) (reply to #30) +1 Kornél Regarding Case A: of course "not needed package" is a subset "undependent package" - "not needed" catches the user's point of view and it is more precise. Nevertheless, determining that "not needed" packages is a hard job, so it could be a good starting point just knowing which are the "undependent" ones (at least as a first step). #32: Roberto Mannai (robermann79) (2009-11-30 17:47:05) (reply to #31) The user could have a graphical list of "undependent packages", which then he could mark each of them as "used/not used". The GUI then could suggest the "unused packages" for removal (this being a temporary but useful use case). #33: Ken Schneider (kensch) (2009-12-15 18:15:55) When you install a package using package management it checks to make sure all dependencies are also installed or adds them to the install list via the "Requires" feature. When de-installing the package check the list of "Requires" packages and see which ones can also be de- installed. That way there are no left over packages. If one of the "Requires" packages are also needed by other packages they are left installed. I am no where near being a programmer but that would seem to be simple to do. #34: Ján Kupec (jkupec) (2009-12-15 18:47:57) (reply to #33) Such procedure would also wipe out packages that you still want to use. E.g. you have nagios-plugins-zypper, which requires zypper. Now, 'zypper remove nagios-plugins-zypper' would realize that after removing nagios-plugins-zypper nothing requires zypper, and would want to remove zypper as well. So what your idea lacks is a list of packages that were installed in the past based on explicit request by user. The procedure must avoid removing these. See also c#12 #36: Ján Kupec (jkupec) (2009-12-15 18:47:02) So i'm renaming this fate request to 'Show unneeded packages' (to make it shorter) to avoid further confustion. #37: Don Hughes (dehughes) (2009-12-15 19:10:53) I also would like to see this feature. I currently use rpmorphan with a list of things that it will mark that I know that I need. I also occationally go through yast2 and try to uninstall things that I do not recognize and see if they are flagged as being needed by something else. Both time consuming and error prone. And, a lot of packages seem to be some what careless in what the require for prereqs - pulling in KDE,gnome, and X11 packages on text- only machines for example; which then triggers a flood of KDE, gnome, and X11 library installations which I then have to mannually uninstall and mark as taboo. On my external facing servers I do not like to have any extra/unneeded/unwanted packages to provide possible attack vectors. #39: Rafael Belmonte (eaglescreen) (2010-01-10 22:43:40) Hello, this is one of the main causes of I use more Debian/Ubuntu than OpenSuse. Debian & Ubuntu already have this implemented. I think this is a fundamental aspect to work in OpenSuse. Debian & Ubuntu can distinguish packages that were manually installed and packages that were installed just to satisfy dependencies. OpenSuse needs to do this too. #40: Tim Edwards (tk83) (2010-01-27 15:46:00) I'd also like to see this, Mandriva added it in a couple of releases ago and it's great. It's really missing in Opensuse #41: Eduard Huguet (eduardhc) (2010-03-02 15:55:43) (reply to #40) Agreed. Being a long time user of both Gentoo and Ubuntu, I was really shocked to discover that zypper was lacking this feature. Even more: when talking about Linux with friends I always make mention of this kind of "autoremove unneeded" option as one of the strong points of Linux package managing systems, as I was really taking for granted that any package manager out there had this feature included... Regards. #42: Rémy Marquis (spyhawk) (2010-05-02 17:13:32) Michael Andres started to implement this feature in Libzypp 7.4, see http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/2010-04/msg00033.html #45: Robin Knapp (rknapp) (2010-07-14 13:00:55) (reply to #42) --clean-deps works indeed, but what about just showing unneeded packages? It's mentioned in http://en.opensuse.org/Product_highlights#Package_management_with_zypper but I haven't found any information about this feature. #46: Moqi Ba (bamoqi) (2011-07-24 01:37:08) This FATE is marked as done but as of 11.4 "zypper rm -u" doesn't work without a package name. It cannot actively find and remove orphaned package which are auto-installed, like "apt-get autoremove" does. #47: Michael Schröder (mlschroe) (2012-02-13 12:34:53) (reply to #46) True. We can add that for 12.2, but the quality of the result really depends on knowing which packages were selected by the user and which packages were dragged in via dependencies. #49: Cristian Morales Vega (reddwarf) (2012-04-11 16:06:31) (reply to #47) That info is available already through the history, isn't? The only problem I know of is bnc#679213... that I have no idea if was fixed since the info is not public :-( #50: Jiri Srain (jsrain) (2012-08-21 11:52:03) (reply to #49) I have this information in the log of my 12.1. + #54: Michael Schröder (mlschroe) (2012-12-20 16:29:00) (reply to #47) + Just for completeness: 12.2 has an "unneded packages" package group. #48: Joachim Plack (jplack) (2012-02-13 13:58:53) For images generated in a SLEPOS environment, we would like the to reduce the footprint. So we'd like to find out all packages where last use (per read access time stamp) <= install time. This list we would the transfer back to the image creation server so that the next image gets reduce to what we really need. Btw. removedthe big list of rejected openSUSEs besides the first and last to get a better overview again while keeping the history #51: Jiri Srain (jsrain) (2012-08-21 11:54:04) (reply to #48) Jack, does this necessarily involve libzypp/zypper? I think that this is a rather specific use-case, which can be scripted easily. Besides, I suggest to handle this as a separate request - this one is about unneeded, not about unused. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/300758

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[New: openFATE 314653] Opensuse 12.3 - use kernel 3.8 to ensure good Intel Haswell support in H1 2012
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 14 Dec '12

14 Dec '12

Feature added by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix) Feature #314653, revision 1 Title: Opensuse 12.3 - use kernel 3.8 to ensure good Intel Haswell support in H1 2012 openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIzNzE -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314653

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[New: openFATE 314608] Files and attributes / properties
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 10 Dec '12

10 Dec '12

Feature added by: Francesco Noacco (FireLink) Feature #314608, revision 1 Title: Files and attributes / properties openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Francesco Noacco (firelink) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I'd like to display the date the file was created in addition to the modification date including minutes and seconds. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: I got used to observe it to remind me of the time when I started some of the work. I also noted that on systems win in files (written or modified by linux) that date appears identical or 1-2 seconds after the date of change (!) While folders are simply changed the date to win just mean the date the folder creation (i find it more useful because the last change is detectable by ordering inside files). I imagine that this "revolution" must be taken in accordance with the whole community linux, but from my point of view there are more information and better you can manage themselves. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314608

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[New: openFATE 308497] Update to GRUB v2
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 08 Dec '12

08 Dec '12

Feature added by: Jeff Mahoney (jeff_mahoney) Feature #308497, revision 1 Title: Update to GRUB v2 openSUSE-11.3: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jeff Mahoney (jeff_mahoney) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Every single bug or feature that anyone has developed for GRUB 0.97 has been rejected by the upstream project in favor of using GRUB 2. There has been resisitence in the distribution community to switching boot loaders, but this stalemate isn't going to go away. The code itself isn't well written or well maintained. Adding a new feature involves jumping through a lot of hoops that may or may not work even if you manage to work around all the runtime limitations. For example, a fs implementation has a static buffer it can use for memory management. It's only 32k. For complex file systems, or even a simple journaled file system, we run into problems (like the reiserfs taking forever to load bug) because we don't have enough memory to do block mapping for the journal so it needs to scan it for every metadata read. (Yeah, really.) GRUB v2 has a cleaner design, is modular, and it has support for multiple architectures including i386, x86-64, and powerpc. Support for ia64 is said to be forthcoming. EFI support is already there. More importantly, it supports far more file systems and has native MD RAID and LVM support. Adding support for a new file system is much easier, cleaner, and has fewer limitations than with GRUB 0.97. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: * Supportability - upstream bug fixes and development community * Features - better fs support, native RAID and LVM support -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308497

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[openFATE 312321] Replace blowfish with sha512 as password hash
by fate_noreply＠suse.de 08 Dec '12

08 Dec '12

Feature changed by: Michael Catanzaro (Golbats_Everywhere) Feature #312321, revision 19 Title: Replace blowfish with sha512 as password hash - openSUSE Distribution: Implementation + openSUSE Distribution: Done Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Since upstream has meanwhile a good replacement for DES crypt (sha256 and sha512), we should follow the other distributions and switch to sha512 as default password hash for local accounts. For openSUSE this means: * Make sha512 the new password hash in pwdutils * add support for sha512 to YaST (core, security, users) * Remove blowfish as option from YaST2 or at least change the default * Drop libxcrypt Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: More secure password hashing, which are harder to crack with passwd cracking software. Discussion: #1: Bruno Friedmann (bruno_friedmann) (2011-05-17 17:24:55) Want to add me as interested but get an error Errorcode: 0 Message: undefined method `next=' for nil:NilClass #2: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) (2011-05-17 17:35:32) (reply to #1) Please try again, that was caused because the product openSUSE 11.5 was not created completely. #3: Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) (2011-05-18 15:21:35) pwdutils is adjusted. Lukas, can you please remove blowfish from YaST2 as option to choose and link yast2-core against libcrypt and not libxcrypt? #4: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2011-07-06 14:56:32) (reply to #3) I've filed a separate feature for dropping libxcrypt as a clean solution requires a glibc with gensalt functions to avoid copies of them everywhere -> 312617. #6: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2011-07-11 14:58:41) (reply to #3) unfortunately the yast interface to the crypt functions is not as flexible as it should be. yast has separate built-in functions for each hash so adding support for sha512 requires adding a new built-in rather than just passing down some different salt string. #8: Lukas Ocilka (locilka) (2011-07-19 14:24:50) (reply to #6) Jiri, we already do support SHA-512 in YaST Users, don't we? Additionally, would you remove the blowfish option from YaST Users, please? #10: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2011-07-19 14:40:23) (reply to #8) Yes, we do have sha512, as a result of feature 309705, #12: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2011-07-20 11:20:04) (reply to #8) I've removed offering of blowfish from yast2-users and yast2-security. The function call of cryptblowfish is still there, I'll remove it once it is dropped from yast2-core #9: Lukas Ocilka (locilka) (2011-07-19 14:23:42) (reply to #3) These YCP built-ins are Arvin's speciality. Arvin, could you, please, do that change requested by Thorsten in comment #3? #11: Arvin Schnell (aschnell) (2011-07-19 17:38:42) (reply to #9) I will look at it when fate #312617 is finished (glibc provides salt functions). #5: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2011-07-06 15:26:42) Background for those who haven't seen it. Migration of current from "blowfish" hashed passwords, ought to be mandatory, because of the sign extension bug that's been found (in "John the Ripper". As, current user passwords would have to be changed anyway, it makes sense to force migrate to sha512 anyway as part of update. See "A hole in crypt_blowfish" http://lwn.net/Articles/448699/ (http://lwn.net/Articles/448699/) for explanation of the problem & discussion. Executive summary "crypt_blowfish developer Alexander Peslyak (aka Solar Designer) analyzed the effects of the bug and found that some password pairs would hash to the same value with only minimal differences (e.g. "ab£" hashed to the same value as "£"), which would make password cracking easier. A further analysis shows that some characters appearing just before one with the high bit set may be effectively ignored when calculating the hash." #7: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2011-07-12 15:39:29) (reply to #5) The hole in crypt_blowfish has nothing to do with a desire to move off Blowfish. It's much more that Glibc has never offered Blowfish and openSUSE carried a patch for it, whereas SHA-512 is available upstream. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/312321

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