Snapshot 20240622 again broke my system
Hello, for the 3rd time this year I had to revert to a previous snapshot after installing a snapshot. First Plasma6 gave me an unbootable system. Then Mesa 24.1 made working with the desktop impossible. Now the latest snapshot stopped my system from shutting down. After the update I wanted to reboot because of all the updates. But seems the Plasma team wanted to make the shutdown easier for users. No more options except "Shutdown" and "Cancel" No "Reboot", no "Logoff"... So I went for "Shutdown" and.. the system froze. Waited for 5 minutes, then decided to switch the PC off. Rebooted, logged in, waited for 2 minutes, hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, confirmed "Shutdown" and system froze again. Rebooted to snapshot 20240621 and will stay there until I find a solution on how to do a clean shutdown with Plasma 6.1. Regards, Oliver -- PGP Public Key available at https://pgp.mit.edu/ Key fingerprint = 3264 280C 05B1 572F 3F0B 42B8 1E7B 2D9D 063B D507
On 25.06.2024 09:33, Oliver Schwabedissen wrote:
Hello,
for the 3rd time this year I had to revert to a previous snapshot after installing a snapshot. First Plasma6 gave me an unbootable system. Then Mesa 24.1 made working with the desktop impossible.
Now the latest snapshot stopped my system from shutting down.
After the update I wanted to reboot because of all the updates. But seems the Plasma team wanted to make the shutdown easier for users. No more options except "Shutdown" and "Cancel" No "Reboot", no "Logoff"...
I have Restart, Shutdown and Logout (or Logoff, do not remember), so it must be something specific to your configuration. Usual step - test with new user to eliminate any custom configuration. I disabled Suspend and Hibernate in logind (not working in QEMU) so I cannot comment on them.
So I went for "Shutdown" and.. the system froze. Waited for 5 minutes, then decided to switch the PC off. Rebooted, logged in, waited for 2 minutes, hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, confirmed "Shutdown" and system froze again.
Rebooted to snapshot 20240621 and will stay there until I find a solution on how to do a clean shutdown with Plasma 6.1.
Regards,
Oliver
On Tuesday 25 June 2024 09:54:01 AM (+02:00), Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On 25.06.2024 09:33, Oliver Schwabedissen wrote:
Hello, for the 3rd time this year I had to revert to a previous snapshot after installing a snapshot. First Plasma6 gave me an unbootable system. Then Mesa 24.1 made working with the desktop impossible. Now the latest snapshot stopped my system from shutting down. After the update I wanted to reboot because of all the updates. But seems the Plasma team wanted to make the shutdown easier for users. No more options except "Shutdown" and "Cancel" No "Reboot", no "Logoff"...
I have Restart, Shutdown and Logout (or Logoff, do not remember), so it must be something specific to your configuration. Usual step - test with new user to eliminate any custom configuration.
I disabled Suspend and Hibernate in logind (not working in QEMU) so I cannot comment on them.
So I went for "Shutdown" and.. the system froze. Waited for 5 minutes, then decided to switch the PC off. Rebooted, logged in, waited for 2 minutes, hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, confirmed "Shutdown" and system froze again. Rebooted to snapshot 20240621 and will stay there until I find a solution on how to do a clean shutdown with Plasma 6.1. Regards, Oliver
same here; all previouis options are still present with the latest snapshot.
-- phani.
Am Dienstag, 25. Juni 2024, 10:02:52 MESZ schrieb phanisvara das:
On Tuesday 25 June 2024 09:54:01 AM (+02:00), Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On 25.06.2024 09:33, Oliver Schwabedissen wrote:
Hello, for the 3rd time this year I had to revert to a previous snapshot
after
installing a snapshot. First Plasma6 gave me an unbootable system.
Then
Mesa 24.1 made working with the desktop impossible. Now the latest snapshot stopped my system from shutting down. After the update I wanted to reboot because of all the updates. But seems the Plasma team wanted to make the shutdown easier for users. No more options except "Shutdown" and "Cancel" No "Reboot", no
"Logoff"...
I have Restart, Shutdown and Logout (or Logoff, do not remember), so it
must be something specific to your configuration. Usual step - test with new user to eliminate any custom configuration.
I disabled Suspend and Hibernate in logind (not working in QEMU) so I
cannot comment on them.
So I went for "Shutdown" and.. the system froze. Waited for 5 minutes, then decided to switch the PC off. Rebooted, logged in, waited for 2 minutes, hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, confirmed "Shutdown" and system froze
again.
Rebooted to snapshot 20240621 and will stay there until I find a solution on how to do a clean shutdown with Plasma 6.1. Regards, Oliver
same here; all previouis options are still present with the latest snapshot.
I actually can confirm the behavior described by the OP. For clarification: In the K menu, I see still buttons for all available options (Sleep, Hibernate, Restart, Shut Down, Log Out). However, when selecting one of those, the "do you really want to <insert action>" screen provides only the option to perorm the action or cancel. Previously, this screen did show all options, so that even a click on the "Shutdown" button allowed to actually decide for a reboot. This was actually very convenient as I have a Shutdown button easily accessible in the task bar - for reboot I'd have to go via the K menu now. Not really a big issue, but still a nuisance. /Andreas -- Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
hi, Am 25.06.24 um 10:35 schrieb Andreas Mahel: I actually can confirm the behavior described by the OP. For clarification: In the K menu, I see still buttons for all available options (Sleep, Hibernate, Restart, Shut Down, Log Out). However, when selecting one of those, the "do you really want to <insert action>" screen provides only the option to perorm the action or cancel. Previously, this screen did show all options, so that even a click on the "Shutdown" button allowed to actually decide for a reboot. i also can confirm that. it is the same for me. when using the lock/shutdown icon from the desktop panel now only the shutdown option appears. before, i could select which option (restart/shutdown/logoff/...) i want to use after clicking on that icon. -- Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti | Atenciosamente | Saludos Cordiales DI Rainer Klier DevOps, Research & Development
Rainer Klier composed on 2024-06-25 11:25 (UTC):
schrieb Andreas Mahel:
I actually can confirm the behavior described by the OP.
For clarification: In the K menu, I see still buttons for all available options (Sleep, Hibernate, Restart, Shut Down, Log Out). However, when selecting one of those, the "do you really want to <insert action>" screen provides only the option to perorm the action or cancel. Previously, this screen did show all options, so that even a click on the "Shutdown" button allowed to actually decide for a reboot.
i also can confirm that.
it is the same for me.
when using the lock/shutdown icon from the desktop panel now only the shutdown option appears.
before, i could select which option (restart/shutdown/logoff/...) i want to use after clicking on that icon.
Probably WAD: https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/6/6.1.0/ [quote] We have simplified the choices you see when you try to exit Plasma by reducing the number of confusing options. For example, when you press Shutdown, Plasma will only list Shutdown and Cancel, not every single power option. [/quote] -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 2024-06-25 15:42, Felix Miata wrote:
Rainer Klier composed on 2024-06-25 11:25 (UTC):
schrieb Andreas Mahel:
i also can confirm that.
it is the same for me.
when using the lock/shutdown icon from the desktop panel now only the shutdown option appears.
before, i could select which option (restart/shutdown/logoff/...) i want to use after clicking on that icon.
Probably WAD: https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/6/6.1.0/ [quote] We have simplified the choices you see when you try to exit Plasma by reducing the number of confusing options. For example, when you press Shutdown, Plasma will only list Shutdown and Cancel, not every single power option. [/quote]
Confusing? What was confusing about that? What is confusing is the current state with the missing options. Geez. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 6/25/24 3:42 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Probably WAD: https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/6/6.1.0/ [quote] We have simplified the choices you see when you try to exit Plasma by reducing the number of confusing options. For example, when you press Shutdown, Plasma will only list Shutdown and Cancel, not every single power option. [/quote]
Grr, this completely breaks the workflow of having a single button in the task bar from which you can then select to power off, restart or log off. IMHO, this is making UX worse instead of better and adding more clutter rather than reducing it as now I have to add buttons for the other options to the taskbar as well. Do you know if there is any good way of giving feedback on that which the devs hear but without being obnoxious? Or is there already an issue on this maybe? Thanks, KaiRo
Robert, You can report it as a wishlist severity in KDE's bugtracker¹ <https://bugs.kde.org>. [1] https://bugs.kde.org Regards, Heitor Moreira Em qui., 27 de jun. de 2024 às 08:02, Robert Kaiser <kairo@kairo.at> escreveu:
On 6/25/24 3:42 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Probably WAD: https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/6/6.1.0/ [quote] We have simplified the choices you see when you try to exit Plasma by reducing the number of confusing options. For example, when you press Shutdown, Plasma will only list Shutdown and Cancel, not every single power option. [/quote]
Grr, this completely breaks the workflow of having a single button in the task bar from which you can then select to power off, restart or log off. IMHO, this is making UX worse instead of better and adding more clutter rather than reducing it as now I have to add buttons for the other options to the taskbar as well.
Do you know if there is any good way of giving feedback on that which the devs hear but without being obnoxious? Or is there already an issue on this maybe?
Thanks, KaiRo
Hi It's a feature of KDE 6.1 they wanted to clean up the shutdown so only the option you selected is confirmed. Here is a video discussing it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpf_psv42aY&t=714s So it's not a bug but a feature, and it is deliberate. Regards Ben On 25/6/24 21:25, Rainer Klier wrote:
hi,
Am 25.06.24 um 10:35 schrieb Andreas Mahel:
I actually can confirm the behavior described by the OP.
For clarification: In the K menu, I see still buttons for all available options (Sleep, Hibernate, Restart, Shut Down, Log Out). However, when selecting one of those, the "do you really want to <insert action>" screen provides only the option to perorm the action or cancel. Previously, this screen did show all options, so that even a click on the "Shutdown" button allowed to actually decide for a reboot.
i also can confirm that.
it is the same for me.
when using the lock/shutdown icon from the desktop panel now only the shutdown option appears.
before, i could select which option (restart/shutdown/logoff/...) i want to use after clicking on that icon.
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*DI Rainer Klier*
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Hi Oliver, On 25.06.24 08:33 Oliver Schwabedissen wrote:
Now the latest snapshot stopped my system from shutting down.
After the update I wanted to reboot because of all the updates. But seems the Plasma team wanted to make the shutdown easier for users. No
Running a system upgrade while the GUI is running and then expecting said GUI to still work is risky. Try running the snapshots from a console and reboot from there. I got that advice years back and had no such issues for the last 8 years or so... Kind Regards, Johannes
Hello Oliver Am Dienstag, 25. Juni 2024, 08:33:12 MESZ schrieb Oliver Schwabedissen:
After the update I wanted to reboot because of all the updates. But seems the Plasma team wanted to make the shutdown easier for users. N
That sounds to me that you made an update out of KDE and want to use KDE Elements (which may have changed during installation) to shut down. That may have led to this effect. If you are running 'zypper dup' from a console, issue a 'shutdown -r 0' in this console afterwards. Just as an idea Axel
Am 25.06.24 um 13:17 schrieb Axel Braun:
Hello Oliver
Am Dienstag, 25. Juni 2024, 08:33:12 MESZ schrieb Oliver Schwabedissen:
After the update I wanted to reboot because of all the updates. But seems the Plasma team wanted to make the shutdown easier for users. N That sounds to me that you made an update out of KDE and want to use KDE Elements (which may have changed during installation) to shut down. That may have led to this effect.
Yes, unfortunately again... Didn't check the output, just pressed enter for dup to go ahead... Guess I should add a check for any "plasma" or "kde" updates in my dup script. Nevertheless, the Shutdown screen that you get when you press C-A-D was changed on purpose: https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/6/6.1.0/ "We have simplified the choices you see when you try to exit Plasma by reducing the number of confusing options. For example, when you press /Shutdown/, Plasma will only list /Shutdown/ and /Cancel/, not every single power option." Will try the installation of snapshot 20240622 again from runlevel 3. Hopefully, system will then shutdown again from C-A-D. And hopefully I can get these "confusing" options back. I never used the kmenu to shutdown, but I need "Sleep" and "Restart" often. "Shutdown" usually only once per day... -- PGP Public Key available at https://pgp.mit.edu/ Key fingerprint = 3264 280C 05B1 572F 3F0B 42B8 1E7B 2D9D 063B D507
It is easy to get the 'confusing' options back. You have to get rid of a single line in "/usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.openSUSE.desktop/contents/logout/logout.qml" or "/usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/logout/logout.qml". Depending on the global design you use. It is line 60 (readonly property bool showAllOptions: sdtype === ShutdownType.ShutdownTypeDefault) that needs to go. Make a backup of the original file, just in case you need to revert. Your modification will get overwritten by the next update. In that file you can also overwrite the time it takes to shutdown,etc. In line 46 (property real timeout: 30) you can change it to your liking.
Am 25.06.24 um 17:38 schrieb stefan wannemacher:
It is easy to get the 'confusing' options back. You have to get rid of a single line in "/usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.openSUSE.desktop/contents/logout/logout.qml" or "/usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/logout/logout.qml". Depending on the global design you use. It is line 60 (readonly property bool showAllOptions: sdtype === ShutdownType.ShutdownTypeDefault) that needs to go. Make a backup of the original file, just in case you need to revert. Your modification will get overwritten by the next update. In that file you can also overwrite the time it takes to shutdown,etc. In line 46 (property real timeout: 30) you can change it to your liking.
Thanks, I found this tipp on the net already. But making this change after every update is not an option for me. And after all, "Shutdown" from the C-A-D screen freezes my system now, no idea why. Worked perfectly up to 20240621. So it's better to find a way to also disable the Shutdown option as I was used to simply C-A-D in the evening and 30 seconds later the system did a shutdown. Now it freezes and I have to switch it off and on in the morning... Looks like it is time to take a look at Gnome and Ubuntu after 25 years with KDE... -- PGP Public Key available at https://pgp.mit.edu/ Key fingerprint = 3264 280C 05B1 572F 3F0B 42B8 1E7B 2D9D 063B D507
Have you reported the bug to openSUSE¹ <https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/> and KDE² <https://bugs.kde.org/>? Also, I think that for general discussion and workaround solutions, the forum³ <https://forums.opensuse.org/> is a better place to go. It's better readable and better ranked by search engines reaching a wider public. [1] https://bugzilla.opensuse.org [2] https://bugs.kde.org [3] https://forums.opensuse.org Regards, Heitor Moreira Em ter., 25 de jun. de 2024 às 13:40, Oliver Schwabedissen < oliver@schwabedissen.name> escreveu:
Am 25.06.24 um 17:38 schrieb stefan wannemacher:
It is easy to get the 'confusing' options back. You have to get rid of a single line in
"/usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.openSUSE.desktop/contents/logout/logout.qml" or "/usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/logout/logout.qml". Depending on the global design you use.
It is line 60 (readonly property bool showAllOptions: sdtype === ShutdownType.ShutdownTypeDefault) that needs to go. Make a backup of the original file, just in case you need to revert. Your modification will get overwritten by the next update. In that file you can also overwrite the time it takes to shutdown,etc. In line 46 (property real timeout: 30) you can change it to your liking.
Thanks, I found this tipp on the net already. But making this change after every update is not an option for me. And after all, "Shutdown" from the C-A-D screen freezes my system now, no idea why. Worked perfectly up to 20240621. So it's better to find a way to also disable the Shutdown option as I was used to simply C-A-D in the evening and 30 seconds later the system did a shutdown. Now it freezes and I have to switch it off and on in the morning...
Looks like it is time to take a look at Gnome and Ubuntu after 25 years with KDE...
-- PGP Public Key available at https://pgp.mit.edu/ Key fingerprint = 3264 280C 05B1 572F 3F0B 42B8 1E7B 2D9D 063B D507
Am 25.06.24 um 19:09 schrieb Heitor Moreira via openSUSE Factory:
Have you reported the bug to openSUSE¹ <https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/> and KDE² <https://bugs.kde.org/>?
Not yet. But I think I found the reason why my system freezes when trying to shut down: In System Settings/Session/Session Restore I had the option "When session was manually saved" active. After I switched this to "Start with an empty session" the system shuts down without problems. If somebody can confirm this behaviour I would open a bug report. But before trying it save your work, just on case your system freezes, too. Regards, Oliver
Also, I think that for general discussion and workaround solutions, the forum³ <https://forums.opensuse.org/> is a better place to go. It's better readable and better ranked by search engines reaching a wider public.
[1] https://bugzilla.opensuse.org [2] https://bugs.kde.org [3] https://forums.opensuse.org
Regards, Heitor Moreira
Em ter., 25 de jun. de 2024 às 13:40, Oliver Schwabedissen <oliver@schwabedissen.name> escreveu:
Am 25.06.24 um 17:38 schrieb stefan wannemacher: > It is easy to get the 'confusing' options back. You have to get rid of a single line in > "/usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.openSUSE.desktop/contents/logout/logout.qml" or "/usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/logout/logout.qml". Depending on the global design you use. > It is line 60 (readonly property bool showAllOptions: sdtype === ShutdownType.ShutdownTypeDefault) that needs to go. > Make a backup of the original file, just in case you need to revert. Your modification will get overwritten by the next update. In that file you can also overwrite the time it takes to shutdown,etc. In line 46 (property real timeout: 30) you can change it to your liking. > Thanks, I found this tipp on the net already. But making this change after every update is not an option for me. And after all, "Shutdown" from the C-A-D screen freezes my system now, no idea why. Worked perfectly up to 20240621. So it's better to find a way to also disable the Shutdown option as I was used to simply C-A-D in the evening and 30 seconds later the system did a shutdown. Now it freezes and I have to switch it off and on in the morning...
Looks like it is time to take a look at Gnome and Ubuntu after 25 years with KDE...
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-- PGP Public Key available at https://pgp.mit.edu/ Key fingerprint = 3264 280C 05B1 572F 3F0B 42B8 1E7B 2D9D 063B D507
Am 25.06.24 um 13:17 schrieb Axel Braun:
Hello Oliver
Am Dienstag, 25. Juni 2024, 08:33:12 MESZ schrieb Oliver Schwabedissen:
After the update I wanted to reboot because of all the updates. But seems the Plasma team wanted to make the shutdown easier for users. N That sounds to me that you made an update out of KDE and want to use KDE Elements (which may have changed during installation) to shut down. That may have led to this effect.
If you are running 'zypper dup' from a console, issue a 'shutdown -r 0' in this console afterwards.
Just as an idea Axel
I repeated the whole procedure... went to runlevel 3 (init 3 from a text console), updated form 20240621 to 20240622, rebooted (init 6), logged on again, waited for soime miniutes, hit C-A-D und selected the only available opton "Shut Down Now". System freezes and I have to switch it off. Using kmenu everything works, system goes to sleep, reboots or shuts down. Logging on with another user (used 2-3 times during the last 2 years) is completely different: C-A-D shows all the options that were there with Plasma 6.0, all options work, including shutdown. So why does this user see all 6.0 options if they were disabled with 6.1 to not confuse users? Very strange... -- PGP Public Key available at https://pgp.mit.edu/ Key fingerprint = 3264 280C 05B1 572F 3F0B 42B8 1E7B 2D9D 063B D507
Oliver Schwabedissen writes:
Now the latest snapshot stopped my system from shutting down.
Had this problem too after yesterdays update to Plasma 6.1, with the (X11) screen blanked and the mouse still visible. From the console I could see that many processes from KDE were still running, so I decided to do a 'pkill -TERM plasma' and then the shutdown commenced normally. A second system with the same update didn't have this problem, so seemingly something wedges up the session management sometimes. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf rackAttack: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSounds
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