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[opensuse-factory-mozilla] Re: Firefox + KDE integration: Getting FF to use Dolphin reliably. 12+ years and counting.
by grantksupport＠operamail.com 09 Jul '14

09 Jul '14

(1) I hear & acknowledge your points. (2) It's proving challenging for me to not have it come across as 'Linux is insignificant, why should we bother'. I'm trying, but ... (3) Superior #s do not make a superior species. Take cockroaches vs. people, e.g. Tho, it's arguable ... And truly, with due respect, and intent to simply provide ... feedback and some incentive ... perhaps if Mozilla was a bit more openly cooperative users other than just/primarilyFirefox-on-Windows-desktop, then perhaps there'd be more of those users, no? Spend some time *in* KDE community -- users are giving up on Firefox, with a giant 'Meh'. "Here", we're an enterprise shop that uses Linux on the Desktop, as are some other, rather significant companies. We'd use Mozilla products much more widely if issues like this languishing bug that causes all sorts of confusion for our users, and is easily fixed by siwtching to Chrome across the company, didn't exist. (We won't talk at all about the abandonment of unfinished Thunderbird ... that stung us badly, and still does; guessing we're not alone). >From *our* perspective, which I certainly recognize is different than yours, KDE & Linux are much broader reaching, enterprise imperatives for a company like us, and our users, than "which browser" we use. Particularly with one or more serious alternatives available. A point to keep in mind is that - there's a community of users who DO want this fixed, including an Opensuse developer who HAS a (hacky) fix - and that the common thread has been, if not is, that -- just can't get any interest at Mozilla. Tought to fix the problem in Mozilla product when there's noone willing to talk AT Mozilla. Or, if what you say is true, and continues to be, that KDE support -- and perhaps Linux, too -- is not a priority, then a clear statement of those missing-priorities would be certainly helpful. If only get 'us' to stop wingeing and focus our minority interest and limited resources elsewhere. > That said, there should probably be a discussion ... If that's an invitation to the outside world -- Linux & KDE to enter into discussion, great. Provide the name of a point person @ Mozilla and a willingness to have 'this' talk, and I'll do my part to see if I can make some connections. Thanks! On Mon, Jul 7, 2014, at 01:13 PM, Justin Dolske wrote: > On 7/3/14 1:44 PM, grantksupport(a)operamail.com wrote: > > > There are LOTS of users that use Firefox on Linux in a KDE environment. > > Keep in mind this is is a very relative number -- _All_ Linux usage > represents about 3% of Firefox usage. We have 7x more _Windows XP_ users. > > > It's been reported as a bug in Firefox 12+ years ago & has spawned > > multiple other bugs. > > KDE support hasn't been a priority for Mozilla, nor is it currently a > priority. Getting better support for KDE into Firefox will need to be an > effort driven and sustained by the KDE community. > > > There's a fix/workaround in Opensuse (pkg: mozilla-kde4-integration; > > https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=openSUSE%3AFactory&package=…) > > although it's not been accepted in current state @Firefox for upstream > > inclusion. > > > > Afaict, discussion & activity are basically dead. > > It appears that way. Of the bugs you listed, only bug 528598 has any > patches (from over a year ago), part of which seems to a forked copy of > the biggest piece of browser UI (browser.xul). I'd suggest that if > someone in the KDE community is interested in getting fixes upstreamed > to Mozilla, the first step will be to break things up into small pieces > that can be reviewed and committed individually. > > That said, there should probably be a discussion if we even want to > accept such patches -- 12 years without significant contributors > suggests any KDE code in the Mozilla tree would quickly break/bitrot > without someone actively maintaining it. > > Justin > _______________________________________________ > firefox-dev mailing list > firefox-dev(a)mozilla.org > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/firefox-dev -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory-mozilla] KDE + Firefox integration: restart?
by grantksupport＠operamail.com 08 Jul '14

08 Jul '14

This issue -- of improving KDE + Firefox integration, generally, and of getting Firefox to use Dolphin, specifically -- has languished for a long time. It has, after all, been percolating, unresolved, for ~ 12 yrs now. Atm, it's basically dead & inactive. I'm hoping that that can be reversed. If "you" are still interested in good/solid KDE+Firefox integration, read-on -- IMO, not getting to a decent solution has not been for lack of trying/interest: Bug 140751 - Integrate Mozilla with KDE https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140751 Bug 528598 - provide a class to check for KDE environment and to interface with kmozillahelper https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528598 Provide better Firefox KDE integration https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/494067 Bug 528510 - [Tracking] Port OpenSUSE KDE Integration for Firefox https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528510 Firefox on KDE https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platforms.linux/XKyWG8N… (I'm sure there are more ...) As of this date, there's still no solution that works consistently well. Opensuse's patches are the closest to it (cref packages: "kmozillahelper", "mozilla-kde4-integration"), & have been intermittently available/functional in Opensuse, as well as ported to Ubuntu, Arch, others. But, even the Opensuse devs say they're not happy with their own, 'hacky' solution. And, unless I've missed it, the "right people" simply aren't talking to one another. A "good" solution will need devs -- at least one each -- from KDE, Mozilla/Firefox & Opensuse/other distro devs, to agree that this should get done, and actually talk/work with one another to do so. I've tried to re-start the discussion about getting a good solution to KDE+Firefox integration. https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/firefox-dev/2014-July/001940.html In that thread I received thoughtful/arguable comments from @Mozilla folks, e.g. "... I believe that there is plenty of good will among Mozilla developers to help Firefox + Dolphin along the road (starting with reviewing patches and mentoring newcomers). ... firefox-dev and bugs are as good a place as any to start. ..." They certainly seem willing to work with KDE & others -- but it will NOT happen alone. So, if "you" are still interested in good/solid KDE+Firefox integration -- pls start by subscribing to "firexfox-dev" mailing list https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/firefox-dev and consolidating communication to THIS thread: "Firefox + KDE integration: Getting FF to use Dolphin reliably. 12+ years and counting." https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/firefox-dev/2014-July/001940.html 'Everybody' talking about the issue in one place wouldn't, imo, be a bad 1st step. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory-mozilla] Firefox + KDE integration: Getting FF to use Dolphin reliably. 12+ years and counting.
by grantksupport＠operamail.com 08 Jul '14

08 Jul '14

Hi, [ I've cc'd this to multiple lists to garner interest; ultimately, I believe the solution needs to be in/at Firefox. I'd suggest that any discussion continues @ <firefox-dev(a)mozilla.org> (https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/firefox-dev) ] There are LOTS of users that use Firefox on Linux in a KDE environment. For those that do, integration with KDE's Dolphin filemanager -- e.g., for "Open containing folder ..." after download -- is needed. It's been reported as a bug in Firefox 12+ years ago & has spawned multiple other bugs. There's a fix/workaround in Opensuse (pkg: mozilla-kde4-integration; https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=openSUSE%3AFactory&package=…) although it's not been accepted in current state @Firefox for upstream inclusion. Afaict, discussion & activity are basically dead. Atm, is still doesn't work natively in Firefox. Hacking around it DOES seem to work -- both in Opensuse packaging (though, in #ic today, another soul failed at getting THAT to work), and (for me, at least) building kmozillahelper natively for upstream's Firefox31. Multiple distros have, at various times, released pkg'd versions of Opensuse's patches -- with varyiung, intermittent success. Chrome & Chromium both seem to have worked Firefox+KDE integration out -- both integrate with KDE nicely, apparently using (?) xdg-utils. My end-user goal *here* is to get a fix into upstream Firefox, and have that picked up by the distros. To start, I hope this rekindles recognition of the need for a fix, gets the right DEVs talking to one another, and gets those who can help, to help. It's been 12+ years -- clearly something's not working, and needs grease. A couple of the initial/earliest bugs that provide some issue history: are Bug 140751 — NEW — Integrate Mozilla with KDE https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140751 Bug 528598 — NEW, mozilla — provide a class to check for KDE environment and to interface with kmozillahelper https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528598 Bug 528510 — NEW — [Tracking] Port OpenSUSE KDE Integration for Firefox https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528510#c5 ; I'd bet there are more. I hope we can move this ball forward! Grant -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+owner(a)opensuse.org

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