[opensuse-factory-mozilla] KDE + Firefox integration: restart?
This issue -- of improving KDE + Firefox integration, generally, and of getting Firefox to use Dolphin, specifically -- has languished for a long time. It has, after all, been percolating, unresolved, for ~ 12 yrs now. Atm, it's basically dead & inactive. I'm hoping that that can be reversed. If "you" are still interested in good/solid KDE+Firefox integration, read-on -- IMO, not getting to a decent solution has not been for lack of trying/interest: Bug 140751 - Integrate Mozilla with KDE https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140751 Bug 528598 - provide a class to check for KDE environment and to interface with kmozillahelper https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528598 Provide better Firefox KDE integration https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/494067 Bug 528510 - [Tracking] Port OpenSUSE KDE Integration for Firefox https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528510 Firefox on KDE https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platforms.linux/XKyWG8Nw... (I'm sure there are more ...) As of this date, there's still no solution that works consistently well. Opensuse's patches are the closest to it (cref packages: "kmozillahelper", "mozilla-kde4-integration"), & have been intermittently available/functional in Opensuse, as well as ported to Ubuntu, Arch, others. But, even the Opensuse devs say they're not happy with their own, 'hacky' solution. And, unless I've missed it, the "right people" simply aren't talking to one another. A "good" solution will need devs -- at least one each -- from KDE, Mozilla/Firefox & Opensuse/other distro devs, to agree that this should get done, and actually talk/work with one another to do so. I've tried to re-start the discussion about getting a good solution to KDE+Firefox integration. https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/firefox-dev/2014-July/001940.html In that thread I received thoughtful/arguable comments from @Mozilla folks, e.g. "... I believe that there is plenty of good will among Mozilla developers to help Firefox + Dolphin along the road (starting with reviewing patches and mentoring newcomers). ... firefox-dev and bugs are as good a place as any to start. ..." They certainly seem willing to work with KDE & others -- but it will NOT happen alone. So, if "you" are still interested in good/solid KDE+Firefox integration -- pls start by subscribing to "firexfox-dev" mailing list https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/firefox-dev and consolidating communication to THIS thread: "Firefox + KDE integration: Getting FF to use Dolphin reliably. 12+ years and counting." https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/firefox-dev/2014-July/001940.html 'Everybody' talking about the issue in one place wouldn't, imo, be a bad 1st step. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+owner@opensuse.org
First of all, thanks for stepping up and getting the discussion going again. One thing that strikes me as wrong though, considering the comments on the Firefox list, is that this is phrased as KDE Integration. Using the KDE file dialog would be KDE specific integration, using the user configured default application for a certain task is not. That would be Free Software Desktop integration, i.e. folling the mime-apps- spec: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-apps-spec/ Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring
Hi On Tue, Jul 8, 2014, at 08:43 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote:
First of all, thanks for stepping up and getting the discussion going again.
One thing that strikes me as wrong though, considering the comments on the Firefox list, is that this is phrased as KDE Integration.
Using the KDE file dialog would be KDE specific integration, using the user configured default application for a certain task is not.
That would be Free Software Desktop integration, i.e. folling the mime-apps- spec: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-apps-spec/
I don't know enough to know the correct semantics. I do know: (1) 'this' has been talked about for a very long time, admittedly in 'drips and drabs', as a KDE + Firefox issue. Specifically getting Firefox to use Dolphin. (2) The Opensuse 'patches' have been specifically for use in KDE, and have been called in packaging 'mozilla-kde4-integration' and 'kmozillahelper' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, 2014-07-08, 08:49:24, grantksupport@operamail.com wrote:
Hi
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014, at 08:43 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote:
First of all, thanks for stepping up and getting the discussion going again.
One thing that strikes me as wrong though, considering the comments on the Firefox list, is that this is phrased as KDE Integration.
Using the KDE file dialog would be KDE specific integration, using the user configured default application for a certain task is not.
That would be Free Software Desktop integration, i.e. folling the mime-apps- spec: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/mime-apps-spec/ I don't know enough to know the correct semantics.
I do know:
(1) 'this' has been talked about for a very long time, admittedly in 'drips and drabs', as a KDE + Firefox issue. Specifically getting Firefox to use Dolphin.
(2) The Opensuse 'patches' have been specifically for use in KDE, and have been called in packaging 'mozilla-kde4-integration' and 'kmozillahelper'
Sure, but time has moved on and default application handling is now covered by a cross-desktop specification. This is no longer about having KDE Workspace specific code, framing it as such hides the actual scope. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring
Hi, On Tue, Jul 8, 2014, at 08:59 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote:
Sure, but time has moved on and default application handling is now covered by a cross-desktop specification. This is no longer about having KDE Workspace specific code, framing it as such hides the actual scope.
Would that by chance be the 'xdg-tools file dialog' as used by Google Chrome already, Use KDE file dialogs https://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/152179-use-kde-file-dialogs/ ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, 2014-07-08, 09:04:39, grantksupport@operamail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014, at 08:59 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote:
Sure, but time has moved on and default application handling is now covered by a cross-desktop specification. This is no longer about having KDE Workspace specific code, framing it as such hides the actual scope.
Would that by chance be the 'xdg-tools file dialog' as used by Google Chrome already,
Use KDE file dialogs https://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/152179-use-kde-file-dialogs/
No, kdialog usage is indeed KDE tools specific. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring
Hi, On Tue, Jul 8, 2014, at 09:10 AM, Kevin Krammer wrote:
Would that by chance be the 'xdg-tools file dialog' as used by Google Chrome already,
Use KDE file dialogs https://sublimetext.userecho.com/topic/152179-use-kde-file-dialogs/
No, kdialog usage is indeed KDE tools specific.
Ok. I'm understanding enough to know that this is a pretty important idea. I'm confused/ignorant enough about the tech atm as to know what, specifically, to suggest or recommend. That said, could *you* spare a moment to share your knowledgeable comments/recommendations about this @ this 'consolidating' thread "Firefox + KDE integration: Getting FF to use Dolphin reliably. 12+ years and counting." https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/firefox-dev/2014-July/001940.html ? Your creds, "KDE developer, xdg-utils developer, KDE user support, developer mentoring", play much better than mine, "Just a user, here ..." And, it might well result in getting on track with a broader, more-modern solution! Thanks! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory-mozilla+owner@opensuse.org
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