Hi all, I'm Nath and I leave in France. Excuse my English : It's very bad but I hope your understand me a little. I just want to know if it's really possible for a blind person to install suse 7.0 without help. And if it's possible what can I do ? My braille display is a Vario which is compatible with Handitech braille displays. When I start with the cd-rom Yast2 runs on the machine, the braille display is detected but I'm not be able to perform the installation because I don't know where the cursor is pointing. Maybe Yast2 is not the good application and then what can I do ? Thanks. Nath
hey Nath, After your braille display is detected, you must switch manually to profile 2. I'm sorry, but I can't you tell the shortcut for this. But i'll have a look for it. best regards, Henning Oschwald SuSE-Blinux support eMail: hoschwa@suse.de
Thanks. It will be super if you could find the shortcut for me because I'm a new Linux user and so I don't know what is "profile 2". Then if you could explain me more... Nath ----- Original Message ----- From: Henning Oschwald <h.oschwald@gmx.de> To: Nath <suse-blinux@suse.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [suse-blinux] Suse-blinux installation.
hey Nath,
After your braille display is detected, you must switch manually to profile 2. I'm sorry, but I can't you tell the shortcut for this. But i'll have a look for it.
best regards, Henning Oschwald
SuSE-Blinux support eMail: hoschwa@suse.de
Hi Nath! It seems that we both have the same problems installing Suse Linux V7.0! I am working with another brailledisplay, but I made the same experiences... the brailledisplay was detected and than... nothing! I already contacted the support but no answer! Well, I think we have to wait a little for the answer :-(. But I can tell you, that I am a bit disapointed. Hope they won't let us wait to long. Bye Christian
Hi Christian!
Hi Nath!
It seems that we both have the same problems installing > Suse Linux V7.0! I am working with another brailledisplay, but I made the same experiences... the brailledisplay was detected and than... nothing! I already contacted the support but no answer! Well, I think we have to wait a little for the answer :-(. But I can tell you, that I am a bit disapointed. Hope they won't let us wait to long.
Bye Christian
I'm sorry that the answer took a little bit of time... Please tell me your type of brailledisplay. I allreaddy asked for it a view days ago... Didn't you get this message? I need to know the device, because the keycombination for switching to profile 2 differs on every brailledevice. It also is posible, that the automatic recognition dont't work for your brailledevice. Best regards, Schoeppi
Thanks for your help. I hope w'll have a response from Suse very soon. If you obtain something don't forget to tell me about : I'm very interrested in. As you I hope it will be soon. Nath ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Gerhardt To: suse-blinux@suse.com Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [suse-blinux] Suse-blinux installation. Hi Nath! It seems that we both have the same problems installing Suse Linux V7.0! I am working with another brailledisplay, but I made the same experiences... the brailledisplay was detected and than... nothing! I already contacted the support but no answer! Well, I think we have to wait a little for the answer :-(. But I can tell you, that I am a bit disapointed. Hope they won't let us wait to long. Bye Christian
Hi Nath! You have to switch manualy to profile 2 for using yast2 during installation. With your vario you can do that, if you first press the B003- and then (together with the B003-button) the B006-button. The buttons on your brailledisplay are: display keys lft/right top to bottom: B005 B001 B006 | B002 B003 B004 So you have to press the lowest key on the left and the mittle key on the right site. You'll hear tow beeptones, if profile 2 has been loaded. Hope that helps ;-)! Best regards, Schoeppi
Hi Christian, I send you a new e-mail because. I've tried to switch my Vario to profile 2. I haven-t use the keys combination you indicate in your message because it didn't wirks. But I know how to switch on profile 2 and I mad it. On my braille display I can read "emul. 2". But my problem is always the same : The braille display is detected but I can't do the installation myself because the braille display doesn't focus the cursor on the screen and then even I can read the screen I don't know what item is selected on the screen. What can I do to resolve this problem ? Another question : What soft is used to display the screen contain on the braille display ? Is it Brltty or is it another soft ? Last question : If I must realize the installation with another person who helps me during the process may I use Yast2 in text mode with my braille display or can I install the drivers for my braille display after installing the distrib ? Thanks. Nath ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Schoepplein <schoeppi@suse.de> To: <suse-blinux@suse.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [suse-blinux] Suse-blinux installation.
Hi Nath!
You have to switch manualy to profile 2 for using yast2 during installation. With your vario you can do that, if you first press the B003- and then (together with the B003-button) the B006-button. The buttons on your brailledisplay are:
display keys lft/right top to bottom: B005 B001 B006 | B002 B003 B004
So you have to press the lowest key on the left and the mittle key on the right site. You'll hear tow beeptones, if profile 2 has been loaded.
Hope that helps ;-)!
Best regards, Schoeppi
didn't wirks. But I know how to switch on profile 2 and I mad it. On my braille display I can read "emul. 2". But my problem is always the same : you can read emul 2? taht's a message from the baum display The braille display is detected but I can't do the installation myself because the braille display doesn't focus the cursor on the screen and then even I can read the screen I don't know what item is selected on the screen. is it right that your braille display works? only the focus is not displayed? What can I do to resolve this problem ? first listen to the internelspeaker if you switch to profile2 the speaker must beep to times (short beeps)
hi, On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Nath wrote: thats the signal for (profile2 is loaded) usauly, the focus is underlined with dot 7,8 (attributes)
Another question : What soft is used to display the screen contain on the braille display ? Is it Brltty or is it another soft ? suse-blinux is based on brltty I used some function from brltty, but the softcursor-routines and any another routines are totaly different to brltty Last question : If I must realize the installation with another person who helps me during the process may I use Yast2 in text mode with my braille display or can I install the drivers for my braille display after installing the distrib ? yes, you can install the driver after the system-installation start yast and install the package "sbl" you find it in series AP Thanks.
you're welcome :-) regards marco
Nath ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Schoepplein <schoeppi@suse.de> To: <suse-blinux@suse.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [suse-blinux] Suse-blinux installation.
Hi Nath!
You have to switch manualy to profile 2 for using yast2 during installation. With your vario you can do that, if you first press the B003- and then (together with the B003-button) the B006-button. The buttons on your brailledisplay are:
display keys lft/right top to bottom: B005 B001 B006 | B002 B003 B004
So you have to press the lowest key on the left and the mittle key on the right site. You'll hear tow beeptones, if profile 2 has been loaded.
Hope that helps ;-)!
Best regards, Schoeppi
** Life is hard and then you die ** ----------------------------------- SuSE GmbH - Deutschherrenstrasse 15-19 - 90429 Nuernberg Projekt: suse-blinux http://www.blinux.suse.de E-Mail: Marco Skambraks <marco@suse.de> blinux-support: Di. und Do. 15.00 - 20.00 Uhr 0421/526-2480
hi, On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Nath wrote:
didn't wirks. But I know how to switch on profile 2 and I mad it. On my braille display I can read "emul. 2". But my problem is always the same : you can read emul 2? taht's a message from the baum display The braille display is detected but I can't do the installation myself because the braille display doesn't focus the cursor on the screen and
even I can read the screen I don't know what item is selected on the screen. is it right that your braille display works? only the focus is not displayed? What can I do to resolve this problem ? first listen to the internelspeaker if you switch to profile2 the speaker must beep to times (short beeps) thats the signal for (profile2 is loaded) usauly, the focus is underlined with dot 7,8 (attributes) Another question : What soft is used to display the screen contain on
braille display ? Is it Brltty or is it another soft ? suse-blinux is based on brltty I used some function from brltty, but the softcursor-routines and any another routines are totaly different to brltty Last question : If I must realize the installation with another person who helps me during
Hi Marco, Thanks a lot for your response. But the problem is always here. In my previous message I told that I know how to switch to profile 2 but I think I've not undertstand what is the profile 2. I thoght it was the emulation mode on my Vario but it seems to be something to load when you start the PC with the cdrom. Then what may I do when I start the PC to switch to profile 2 and which cdrom may I use to begin the process (1 or 2) ? thanks. Nath ----- Original Message ----- From: marco skambraks <marco@suse.de> To: <suse-blinux@suse.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [suse-blinux] Suse-blinux installation. then the the
process may I use Yast2 in text mode with my braille display or can I install the drivers for my braille display after installing the distrib ? yes, you can install the driver after the system-installation start yast and install the package "sbl" you find it in series AP Thanks.
you're welcome :-)
regards marco
Nath ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Schoepplein <schoeppi@suse.de> To: <suse-blinux@suse.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [suse-blinux] Suse-blinux installation.
Hi Nath!
You have to switch manualy to profile 2 for using yast2 during installation. With your vario you can do that, if you first press the B003- and then (together with the B003-button) the B006-button. The buttons on your brailledisplay are:
display keys lft/right top to bottom: B005 B001 B006 | B002 B003 B004
So you have to press the lowest key on the left and the mittle key on the right site. You'll hear tow beeptones, if profile 2 has been loaded.
Hope that helps ;-)!
Best regards, Schoeppi
** Life is hard and then you die ** ----------------------------------- SuSE GmbH - Deutschherrenstrasse 15-19 - 90429 Nuernberg Projekt: suse-blinux http://www.blinux.suse.de E-Mail: Marco Skambraks <marco@suse.de> blinux-support: Di. und Do. 15.00 - 20.00 Uhr 0421/526-2480
Hi Nath! On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Nath wrote:
Hi Marco,
Thanks a lot for your response. But the problem is always here. In my previous message I told that I know how to switch to profile 2 but I think I've not undertstand what is the profile 2. I thoght it was the emulation mode on my Vario but it seems to be something to load when you start the PC with the cdrom. Then what may I do when I start the PC to switch to profile 2 and which cdrom may I use to begin the process (1 or 2) ?
If you want SBL to work with an application, you need to create a profile. So SBL cann follow the cursor and the relevant things are displayed highlighted, etc. SBL is adjusted for an application and this adjustments are stored in a profile. For most applications you dont't need profiles, SBL works fine in most situations and there are ready profiles in the package too. If SBL is running, the screenreader recognices the active application and loads the needed profile automaticly, but during installation this mecanissem dowsn't work and the adjustments for yast2 are not loaded. For that reason you have to switch manualy to profile2, because thats the profile with the adjustments for this application. Best regards, Schoeppi ---------- SuSE-Blinux Support Christian Schöpplein <schoeppi@suse.de> Tel.: Di. und Do. 15.00 - 20.00 Uhr 0421/526-2480 www: http://www.blinux.suse.de
Hi Marco,
Thanks a lot for your response. But the problem is always here. In my previous message I told that I know how to switch to profile 2 but I think I've not undertstand what is the profile 2. I thoght it was the emulation mode on my Vario but it seems to be something to load when you start the PC with the cdrom. Then what may I do when I start the PC to switch to
Hi Cristian and al,, Ok ! Now I understand what is a profile. But now what can I do to switch manually to profile 2 when I start the machine with the cdrom 1 ? Thanks. Nath ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Schoepplein <schoeppi@suse.de> To: <suse-blinux@suse.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [suse-blinux] Suse-blinux installation. Hi Nath! On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Nath wrote: profile
2 and which cdrom may I use to begin the process (1 or 2) ?
If you want SBL to work with an application, you need to create a profile. So SBL cann follow the cursor and the relevant things are displayed highlighted, etc. SBL is adjusted for an application and this adjustments are stored in a profile. For most applications you dont't need profiles, SBL works fine in most situations and there are ready profiles in the package too. If SBL is running, the screenreader recognices the active application and loads the needed profile automaticly, but during installation this mecanissem dowsn't work and the adjustments for yast2 are not loaded. For that reason you have to switch manualy to profile2, because thats the profile with the adjustments for this application. Best regards, Schoeppi ---------- SuSE-Blinux Support Christian Schöpplein <schoeppi@suse.de> Tel.: Di. und Do. 15.00 - 20.00 Uhr 0421/526-2480 www: http://www.blinux.suse.de
Hi Nath! I've got new informations refering to your brailledisplay. To switch to Handytech protocol make the following steps: After switching on the brailledisplay you cann see the version of the firmware. With the pushbuttons on both sides of your brailledisplay you can enter the menu, by pressing either the upper or the lower button. Jump into the menu ^OProt^O (Vario 40) or ^OBaum Protocol^O (Vario 80). Press now a routingbutton after the field pb1 oder pb2 (Vario 40) or power braille (Vario 80). Now the protocol is saved and you should be able to work with SBL. Please tell us, if your brailledisplay is automaticly detected (you should be able to navigate through the screen with the lineup or the linedown buttons). Switch manualy to profile 2 useing the keycombination, that I mailed your a view messages ago. Sorry, that my answer took a little time, but Baum wasn't really fast in answering my questions and we havn't tested Varios yet. Best regards, Schoeppi On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Nath wrote:
Hi Cristian and al,,
Ok ! Now I understand what is a profile. But now what can I do to switch manually to profile 2 when I start the machine with the cdrom 1 ? Thanks.
Nath ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Schoepplein <schoeppi@suse.de> To: <suse-blinux@suse.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [suse-blinux] Suse-blinux installation.
Hi Nath!
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Nath wrote:
Hi Marco,
Thanks a lot for your response. But the problem is always here. In my previous message I told that I know how to switch to profile 2 but I think I've not undertstand what is the profile 2. I thoght it was the emulation mode on my Vario but it seems to be something to load when you start the PC with the cdrom. Then what may I do when I start the PC to switch to profile 2 and which cdrom may I use to begin the process (1 or 2) ?
If you want SBL to work with an application, you need to create a profile. So SBL cann follow the cursor and the relevant things are displayed highlighted, etc. SBL is adjusted for an application and this adjustments are stored in a profile. For most applications you dont't need profiles, SBL works fine in most situations and there are ready profiles in the package too. If SBL is running, the screenreader recognices the active application and loads the needed profile automaticly, but during installation this mecanissem dowsn't work and the adjustments for yast2 are not loaded. For that reason you have to switch manualy to profile2, because thats the profile with the adjustments for this application.
Best regards, Schoeppi
---------- SuSE-Blinux Support Christian Schöpplein <schoeppi@suse.de> Tel.: Di. und Do. 15.00 - 20.00 Uhr 0421/526-2480 www: http://www.blinux.suse.de
---------- SuSE-Blinux Support Christian Schöpplein <schoeppi@suse.de> Tel.: Di. und Do. 15.00 - 20.00 Uhr 0421/526-2480 www: http://www.blinux.suse.de
hi nath, we need to know: 1. does the system autodetect your brailledisplay? - if the yast2 comes up in textmode then the display is detected 2. can you see any characters on your display? 3. can you navigate lineup/linedown maybe there is a problem with the autodetect for vario I was not able to test it, because I have no vario if you answer the 3 questions I guess christian can help you for futher work best regards marco ** Life is hard and then you die ** ----------------------------------- SuSE GmbH - Deutschherrenstrasse 15-19 - 90429 Nuernberg Projekt: suse-blinux http://www.blinux.suse.de E-Mail: Marco Skambraks <marco@suse.de> blinux-support: Di. und Do. 15.00 - 20.00 Uhr 0421/526-2480
Hi Marco and all, Sometime when I start the install, my Vario is detected and and sometime it's not detected : It depends on something but I don't know on what it depends ! When my Vario is detected I can navigate lineup and linedown. Here is the response of your questions; Nath ----- Original Message ----- From: marco skambraks <marco@suse.de> To: <suse-blinux@suse.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [suse-blinux] Suse-blinux installation.
hi nath,
we need to know: 1. does the system autodetect your brailledisplay? - if the yast2 comes up in textmode then the display is detected 2. can you see any characters on your display? 3. can you navigate lineup/linedown
maybe there is a problem with the autodetect for vario I was not able to test it, because I have no vario
if you answer the 3 questions I guess christian can help you for futher work
best regards marco
** Life is hard and then you die ** ----------------------------------- SuSE GmbH - Deutschherrenstrasse 15-19 - 90429 Nuernberg Projekt: suse-blinux http://www.blinux.suse.de E-Mail: Marco Skambraks <marco@suse.de> blinux-support: Di. und Do. 15.00 - 20.00 Uhr 0421/526-2480
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