On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Jamie O'Shaughnessy wrote: jo> jo> It's pretty much every site/URL I get this for!!! jo> jo> I've got a very similar setup at work, but a different graphics jo> card and I can only run XF3.6 (for another reason). Works fine jo> then. jo> I've got something I want you to try, Came across it purly by accident. I've mentioned the font issue a few times since 7.2 was released. For some reason the fonts appear at irregular sizes, screwing things up. Anyway, by leaving my montior off when it goes to switch to runlevel 5, it makesthe fonts run as expected. I too experienced it working fine under XF3.6 but when I went to XF4.X, I started noticing this problem, I had hoped SuSE 7.2 would have fixed it but it appeared it hadn't. Anyway, let me know if leaving the monitor off until X is done loading helps. jo> :( :( jo> jo> Jamie jo> -- S.Toms - smotrs@mindspring.com - www.mindspring.com/~smotrs SuSE Linux v7.2+ - Kernel 2.4.4 Expense Accounts, n.: Corporate food stamps.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:38:40 +0100 Tim Kynerd wrote: <snip>

Since you brought it up.... :-)

I've downloaded and built Mozilla from source, installed it and run ldconfig.

When I try to run ./configure for Galeon, it complains that Mozilla isn't installed. WTF?

Hi Tim, Reading a post of yours the other day, I got the impression that you had given up on linux ... something about not booting very often in future .. maybe I misunderstood. Anyway - good to see you again. As to the question. I think that you are supposed to have the following as part of your evironment : MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/home/http://mail.yahoo.com

On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 07:13:37AM +0100, Tim Kynerd wrote:

On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 10:02:53PM +0000, Geoff wrote:

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On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:38:40 +0100 Tim Kynerd wrote:

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Since you brought it up.... :-)

I've downloaded and built Mozilla from source, installed it and run ldconfig.

When I try to run ./configure for Galeon, it complains that Mozilla isn't installed. WTF?

Hi Tim,

Reading a post of yours the other day, I got the impression that you had given up on linux ... something about not booting very often in future .. maybe I misunderstood. Anyway - good to see you again.

Oops, guess I wasn't clear there. I generally leave my Linux box running all the time; that's what I meant! :-) No, ever since I got Gnome compiled and everything (with tons of help from you), things have been hunky-dory.

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As to the question. I think that you are supposed to have the following as part of your evironment :

MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/home/

However, I have got that and I don't think that it is sufficient. I arrived at my configure string by trial and error. I will quote it below, I don't have the faintest idea why it works :-0

configure --with-mozilla-home=/home/my_username/mozilla/mozilla/dist/bin --with-mozilla-includes=/home/my_username/mozilla/mozilla/dist/include --with-mozilla-libs=/home/my_username/mozilla/mozilla/dist/lib --with-gconf-exec-prefix=/etc/opt/gnome/gconf

OK, I'll try this and see if I get better results. Thanks once more, you're a godsend.

Well, I spoke too soon. To start with, I don't have a directory called "mozilla" in my home directory. I installed mozilla under /usr/local, where I install everything that I build from source (Gnome, on your recommendation, being the only exception). I tried substituting the paths to the mozilla/bin, /include and /lib subdirectories both in the MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME equate and in the configure options to galeon, but it still complained that mozilla wasn't installed. And yes, I ran ldconfig after building mozilla. :-) Any other ideas? Based on what I've heard, I'd really like to try galeon, but it's pretty irritating that it isn't smart enough to find mozilla. -- Tim Kynerd Sundbyberg (småstan i storstan), Sweden tim@tram.nu Sunrise in Stockholm today: 8:37 Sunset in Stockholm today: 14:43 My rail transit photos at http://www.kynerd.nu

On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 09:40:49PM +0000, Geoff wrote:

On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:45:03 +0100 Tim Kynerd wrote:

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To start with, I don't have a directory called "mozilla" in my home directory. I installed mozilla under /usr/local, where I install everything that I build from source (Gnome, on your recommendation, being the only exception).

I tried substituting the paths to the mozilla/bin, /include and /lib subdirectories both in the MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME equate and in the configure options to galeon, but it still complained that mozilla wasn't installed.

And yes, I ran ldconfig after building mozilla. :-)

Any other ideas? Based on what I've heard, I'd really like to try galeon, but it's pretty irritating that it isn't smart enough to find mozilla.

Just to make things worse before we (try to), make them better, I think that you will find it worthwhile to persevere with galeon. It is not perfect, but I find it a *lot* faster than moz and it has some wonderfully geeky options which actually increase usability.

Anyway, turning to business, forgive me for being ultra-pedantic, but just to make sure that our systems are syncronised can you please confirm :

(1) That your moz is 0.9.5 or higher.

0.9.6.

(2) That you have actually been able to run moz.

Been using *it* as my browser, actually, ever since I installed it.

(3) That you deleted your old config.cache and config.h before reconfiguring galeon, because I don't trust those files.

I had not done this -- whoops! So I tried again.

(3) That your config string is (as I understand it) exactly as follows :

configure --with-mozilla-home=/usr/local/mozilla/dist/bin --with-mozilla-includes=/usr/local/mozilla/dist/include --with-mozilla-libs=/usr/local/mozilla/dist/lib --with-gconf-exec-prefix=/etc/opt/gnome/gconf

Yep.

(4) That you have MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/mozilla/dist/bin/

Yep. No go. Galeon's ./configure can't seem to find mozilla. Are you sure I shouldn't have --with-mozilla-home=/usr/local/mozilla/dist (without /bin)? Or even just /usr/local/mozilla? Just a thought. -- Tim Kynerd Sundbyberg (småstan i storstan), Sweden tim@tram.nu Sunrise in Stockholm today: 8:39 Sunset in Stockholm today: 14:42 My rail transit photos at http://www.kynerd.nu

OK .. next two diagnostic ideas. (1) I reconfigured and found that --with-gconf-exec-prefix=/etc/opt/gnome/gconf does not appear to be essential. Maybe leave it out for now, just to eliminate a variable? (2) There seem to be three stages of moz detection, I will give my outputs from each : (a) checking for gtk_moz_embed_get_type in -lgtkembedmoz... yes (b) checking for Mozilla... yes (c) checking Mozilla version... 0.9.5 At which of these stages does your configuration fail? Geoff _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 04:46:11PM +0000, Geoff wrote:

OK .. next two diagnostic ideas.

(1) I reconfigured and found that --with-gconf-exec-prefix=/etc/opt/gnome/gconf does not appear to be essential. Maybe leave it out for now, just to eliminate a variable?

(2) There seem to be three stages of moz detection, I will give my outputs from each :

(a) checking for gtk_moz_embed_get_type in -lgtkembedmoz... yes

(b) checking for Mozilla... yes

(c) checking Mozilla version... 0.9.5

At which of these stages does your configuration fail?

It says: checking for Mozilla... no configure: error: *** Mozilla is required *** A package for is available here: *** http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla/. Something I hadn't noticed before you made me ;-) copy this: *two* spaces after "Mozilla" on the first *** line, and *two* spaces after "for" on the following *** line. That probably means something.... To answer your other question: the directory is /usr/local/galeon-1.0 (not 1.0.1), and the last entry in the ChangeLog mentions changing the version to 1.0; that entry is dated 23 November 2001. If you can make anything of this, I'll be very grateful. -- Tim Kynerd Sundbyberg (småstan i storstan), Sweden tim@tram.nu Sunrise in Stockholm today: 8:39 Sunset in Stockholm today: 14:42 My rail transit photos at http://www.kynerd.nu

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:16:30 +0000 Geoff wrote:

Well it certainly looks as if you are falling at the seonnd hurdle. The gaps are for the version number, I think, but it looks like that warning is not further activated at present.

I am baffled. I will keep on thinking. I have also posted the problem to the galeon list. I will get back to you.

Here is an answer from someone on the galeon list - he is a regular and usually right : "Have him try using --with-mozilla-libs=/usr/local/mozilla/dist/bin "The name is counter-intuitive, but the Mozilla "libs" needed by Nautilus "and Galeon are in "bin". " Well, those libs are not under ..../bin in my system, and I can't imagine why mine would be different just because it is in a sub-directory of /home rather than /usr/local ... but I guess it is worth a try. Regards, Geoff _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:45:29 +0100 Tim Kynerd wrote:

First of all, I really appreciate all your efforts. You are really too kind! :-)

You are welcome. To tell the truth I enjoy having a problem to ponder. If it was not yours I would just invent one of my own :-)

But -- no dice. I changed the "--with-mozilla-libs=" option as above, and it didn't help.

I had an email from Marco Presenti Gritti - I think that he may be one of the developers, here it is : "If the the suggest change doesnt help send me your config.log in private and I'll try to help. Marco" His email address is : Marco Pesenti Gritti I have emailed back, mentioning your name and saying that I will give you his address and suggest that you send him the config.log direct ... cutting out the middle-man.

What Mozilla libraries is Galeon looking for, anyway? Perhaps I should track them down on my system.

I was just assuming that it was the stuff to be found in my ../mozilla/dist/lib - that is quite full directory - I will include a listing below. Regards, Geoff Listing : components libDebugRobot.so libaccessibility_s.a libappcompintl_s.a libappstartupnotifier_s.a libautocomplete_s.a libbasedocshell_s.a libbookmarks_s.a libcertdb.a libcerthi.a libchrome_s.a libcrmf.a libcryptohi.a libdbm.a libdirectory_s.a libeditorbase_s.a libembed_base_s.a libexpat_s.a libexthandler_s.a libfdm.a libfind_s.a libfort.so libfreebl.a libgkbase_s.a libgkconbase_s.a libgkconevents_s.a libgkconhtmlcon_s.a libgkconhtmldoc_s.a libgkconhtmlstyle_s.a libgkconshared_s.a libgkconxbl_s.a libgkconxmlcon_s.a libgkconxmldoc_s.a libgkconxsldoc_s.a libgkconxulcon_s.a libgkconxuldoc_s.a libgkconxultmpl_s.a libgkgfx.so libgkhtmlbase_s.a libgkhtmldoc_s.a libgkhtmlforms_s.a libgkhtmlstyle_s.a libgkhtmltable_s.a libgkxulbase_s.a libgkxuloutliner_s.a libgtkembedmoz.so libgtksuperwin.so libgtkxtbin.so libhistory_s.a libhtmleditor_s.a libjar.a libjar50_s.a libjsconsole_s.a libjsdombase_s.a libjsdomevents_s.a libjsj.so liblber40.a liblber40.so libldap40.a libldap40.so libmozdbm_s.a libmozjs.so libmozmng.a libmozpng.a libmozreg_s.a libmozregsa_s.a libmozutil_s.a libmozz_s.a libmpfilelocprovider_s.a libmsgmork_s.a libneckobase_s.a libneckodns_s.a libneckosocket_s.a libnkabout_s.a libnkcnvts_s.a libnkconv_s.a libnkdata_s.a libnkdatetm_s.a libnkfile_s.a libnkfinger_s.a libnkftp_s.a libnkgopher_s.a libnkhttp_s.a libnkjar_s.a libnkkwd_s.a libnkmime_s.a libnkres_s.a libnkviewsource_s.a libnsWebBrowser_s.a libnslocale_s.a libnspr4.a libnspr4.so libnss.a libnss3.so libnssb.a libnssckbi.so libnssckfw.a libnullplugin.so libpk11wrap.a libpkcs12.a libpkcs7.a libplc4.a libplc4.so libplds4.a libplds4.so librdfbase_s.a librdfdatasource_s.a librdfutil_s.a librelated_s.a libsearch_s.a libsecutil.a libsignonviewer_s.a libsmime.a libsmime3.so libsoftoken.a libssl.a libssl3.so libstring_obsolete_s.a libstring_s.a libswfci.a libswft.so libtimebomb_s.a liburiloaderbase_s.a liburlbarhistory_s.a libviewer_gtk_s.a libwalleteditor_s.a libwalletpreview_s.a libwidgetsupport_s.a libwindowwatcher_s.a libxlibrgb.so libxmlextrasbase_s.a libxmltok_s.a libxpcom.so libxpcombase_s.a libxpcomcomponents_s.a libxpcomds_s.a libxpcomglue.a libxpcomio_s.a libxpcomproxy_s.a libxpcomthreads_s.a libxpistub.so libxpnet_s.a libxpt.a libxptcall.a libxptcmd.a libxptinfo.a libxpwidgets_s.a _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 02:01, Joshua Lee wrote:

On Sun, 2001-12-09 at 12:06, Jamie O'Shaughnessy wrote:

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Does anyone else get bad font display in Mozilla/Galeon?

Stupid question time, have you run /usr/bin/X11/fetchmsttfonts? If you do that you'll run true-type fonts straight from Microsoft; their sole contribution, albeit unintentional, to Linux. ;-) Also, this is just my opinion, turn antialiasing off. One should note that 7.3 out of the box has b0rken antialias support due to an Apple patent; that can be fixed though; but since I'm running 7.2 I don't remember how offhand.

When you say, turn off antialiasing, what do you mean? I don't run KDE, I run Gnome. My understanding was that you must install gdkxft and then select the gdkxft theme to run Gnome apps anti aliased. I'm not doing this (but have gdkxft installed). I have used fetchmsttfonts to install the MS fonts. ??? Jamie -- Jamie O'Shaughnessy jamie.oshaughnessy@ntlworld.com