Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

John Smiley

9 Feb 2001 9 Feb '01

20:22

Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different :-), found that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know the answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before, if I may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
Matt,

I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know if it would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What are some of these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and reiserfs in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of these from their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be aware of?

Thanks,

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hi John,

You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got mine here: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/

With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others offer. And for otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone through a QA process too.

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
----- Original Message ----- From: John Smiley To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time getting

used to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see posted everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm' to update the latest version of modutils on most linux distributions, but SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm from say, SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in SuSE's 'modules' package.

...
Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm for the

"official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone else seems to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine the version number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I see everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file name.

...
This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment. I would

Matt, I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced in 7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc 2.2 package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle and I really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My main gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? like

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Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of support SuSE

to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about downloading an rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is hardly main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put together a package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the kernel from ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate versions of the required packages and compile my kernel. provides, especially where Oracle is concerned.

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Regards,

John R. Smiley

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Jesse Marlin

9 Feb 9 Feb

20:38

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

John Smiley writes:

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Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced in 7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc 2.2 package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle and I really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My main gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different :-), found that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know the answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before, if I may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
Matt,

I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know if it would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What are some of these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and reiserfs in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of these from their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be aware of?

Thanks,

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hi John,

You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got mine here: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/

With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others offer. And for otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone through a QA process too.

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
----- Original Message ----- From: John Smiley To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time getting

used to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see posted everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm' to update the latest version of modutils on most linux distributions, but SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm from say, SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in SuSE's 'modules' package.

...
Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm for the

"official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone else seems to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine the version number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I see everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file name.

...
This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment. I would

like to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about downloading an rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is hardly main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put together a package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the kernel from ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate versions of the required packages and compile my kernel.

...
Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of support SuSE

provides, especially where Oracle is concerned.

...
Regards,

John R. Smiley

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John Smiley

20:40

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...

John Smiley writes:

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Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced in 7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc 2.2 package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle and I really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My

...

...
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different :-),

found

...
...
that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know

...

...
...
answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before, if I may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
Matt,

I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know if it would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What are some of these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and reiserfs in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of these from their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be aware of?

Thanks,

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hi John,

You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got mine here: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/

With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others offer. And for otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone through a QA process too.

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
----- Original Message ----- From: John Smiley To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time

getting used to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see posted everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm' to update the latest version of modutils on most linux distributions, but SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm from say, SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in SuSE's 'modules' package.

...
Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm for

It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? main the the

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This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment. I

would

...
...
Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of support

SuSE

"official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone else seems to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine the version number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I see everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file name. like to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about downloading an rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is hardly main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put together a package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the kernel from ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate versions of the required packages and compile my kernel. provides, especially where Oracle is concerned.

...
...
Regards,

John R. Smiley

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Thorsten Kukuk

20:49

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

On Fri, Feb 09, John Smiley wrote:

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It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

Which standard ? There is no standard. Look for example for glibc. Tell me 2 distributions (but not Red Hat based ones), that uses the same names for all glibc (with subpackages) RPMs. There are no 2 distributions. I know it, because I looked at it for some days. The most have a glibc main RPM, but not all. Some uses only libc or libc6. But then look at the subpackages for development, profiling and locale. Nothing common any longer. Or look at Debian. They have often names which are more similar to SuSE then to Red Hat. So, what is the standard ? Thorsten

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John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
...
Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced in 7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc 2.2 package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle and I really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My

John Smiley writes: main

...
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different :-),

...
...
that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know

...
...
answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before, if I may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
Matt,

I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know if it would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What are some of these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and reiserfs in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of these from their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be aware of?

Thanks,

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hi John,

You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got mine here: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/

With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others offer. And for otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone through a QA process too.

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Smiley > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time getting used to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see posted everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm' to update the latest version of modutils on most linux distributions, but SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm from say, SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in SuSE's 'modules' package. > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm for

found the the

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> > This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment. I would

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> > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of support SuSE

"official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone else seems to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine the version number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I see everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file name. like to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about downloading an rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is hardly main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put together a package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the kernel from ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate versions of the required packages and compile my kernel. provides, especially where Oracle is concerned.

...
> > Regards, > > John R. Smiley >

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Ken Hughes

21:01

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

John Smiley wrote:

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It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

John

It's my understanding that the SuSE "ssh.rpm" or "proftpd.rpm" or whatever, is simply a link to the actual "ssh-2.3.x.rpm" or "proftpd-1.2.0.rpm". Someone from SuSE can confirm if this is true or if I'm just tooting out my backside... I also understand that this doesn't answer your question either ;^) I seem to recall being able to browse the SuSE ftp archive and see the actual rpm as well as the link. Can't seem to do that now, and I'm not sure why. As for the kernel sources, it's my understanding that you can most certainly use the kernel sources from kernel.org, you just don't get the extra mods and enhancements that SuSE provides. Ken -- Ken Hughes (kenh@ast-inc.com) | There are three ways to get Automated Systems of Tacoma, Inc. | something done: do it yourself, Information Technology | hire someone to do it, or forbid 253.475.0200(Voice) / 253.472.7164(Fax) | your kids to do it.

Thorsten Kukuk

10 Feb 10 Feb

07:11

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

On Fri, Feb 09, Ken Hughes wrote:

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John Smiley wrote:

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It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

John

It's my understanding that the SuSE "ssh.rpm" or "proftpd.rpm" or whatever, is simply a link to the actual "ssh-2.3.x.rpm" or "proftpd-1.2.0.rpm". Someone from SuSE can confirm if this is true or if I'm just tooting out my backside...

Look in the full-names directory on every CD, there are the full names like ssh-2.3.x-y.i386.rpm and so on. We have both. The same is true for our FTP server, look at ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/7.0/full-names for example. Even in the update area, the short RPM names are links to the full RPM name. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE GmbH Schanzaeckerstr. 10 90443 Nuernberg Linux is like a Vorlon. It is incredibly powerful, gives terse, cryptic answers and has a lot of things going on in the background.

Jesse Marlin

9 Feb 9 Feb

21:14

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

John Smiley writes:

...

It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE. Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken. If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date, I make my own.

...

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
...
Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced in 7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc 2.2 package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle and I really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My

John Smiley writes: main

...
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different :-),

...
...
that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know

...
...
answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before, if I may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
Matt,

I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know if it would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What are some of these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and reiserfs in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of these from their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be aware of?

Thanks,

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hi John,

You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got mine here: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/

With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others offer. And for otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone through a QA process too.

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Smiley > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time getting used to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see posted everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm' to update the latest version of modutils on most linux distributions, but SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm from say, SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in SuSE's 'modules' package. > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm for

found the the

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...
...
...
> > This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment. I would

...
> > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of support SuSE

"official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone else seems to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine the version number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I see everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file name. like to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about downloading an rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is hardly main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put together a package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the kernel from ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate versions of the required packages and compile my kernel. provides, especially where Oracle is concerned.

...
> > Regards, > > John R. Smiley >

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John Smiley

21:36

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...

John Smiley writes:

...
It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.

Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken. If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date, I make my own.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
John Smiley writes:

...
Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they

introduced

...
...
...
7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc 2.2 package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle and I really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My

...
...
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different

:-), found

...
...
that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know

in main the

...
...
...
answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before, if I may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
Matt,

I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know if it would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What are some of these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and reiserfs in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of

...

...
from

...
...
...
...
their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be aware of?

Thanks,

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

> Hi John, > > You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got mine here: > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/ > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others offer. And for > otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone

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> process too. > > Matt > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Smiley > > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time getting used to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see

...

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everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm' to update the latest version of modutils on most linux distributions, but SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm from say, SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in SuSE's 'modules' package. > > > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm for the "official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone else seems to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine

Bill Gates & Co. must laugh their collective a**es off whenever someone suggests that Linux might one day take over the desktop. With every Linux distro going its own way and with the continued battle-of-the-GUIs between GNOME and KDE, Microsoft will never have anything to worry about. On the other hand, HP, IBM, Sun, and Compaq (sorry to see you go DEC), had better watch their backs. The 2.4 kernel is gaining ground in their territory. John R. Smiley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? these through a posted the

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number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I see everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file name. > > > > This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment. I would

version like

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to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about downloading an rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is hardly main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put together a package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the kernel from ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate versions of the required packages and compile my kernel. > > > > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of support SuSE provides, especially where Oracle is concerned. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. Smiley > > > >

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Matthew

23:28

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

Check out www.lsb.org There will be more standards, not less...But there needs to be enough room to innovate. I use both KDE and GNOME, what "battle" are you referring to? This is all about choice, not battles for one single entity. Did you realise there is more than these two WM's out there? Just wanted to point this out.. Matt On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...

Bill Gates & Co. must laugh their collective a**es off whenever someone suggests that Linux might one day take over the desktop. With every Linux distro going its own way and with the continued battle-of-the-GUIs between GNOME and KDE, Microsoft will never have anything to worry about.

On the other hand, HP, IBM, Sun, and Compaq (sorry to see you go DEC), had better watch their backs. The 2.4 kernel is gaining ground in their territory.

John R. Smiley

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
John Smiley writes:

...
It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.

Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken. If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date, I make my own.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
John Smiley writes:

...
Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they

...
...
...
7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc 2.2 package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle and I really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My

...
...
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different

:-), found

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...
that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know

in main the

...
...
...
answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before, if I may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

> Matt, > > I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know if it > would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What are some of > these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and reiserfs > in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of

...
from

...
...
...
> their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be aware > of? > > Thanks, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew" > To: "John Smiley" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? > > > > Hi John, > > > > You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got mine here: > > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/ > > > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others offer. And for > > otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone

...
QA

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...
> > process too. > > > > Matt > > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Smiley > > > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? > > > > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time getting used > to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see

...
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> everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm' > to update the latest version of modutils on most linux distributions, but > SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm from say, > SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in SuSE's > 'modules' package. > > > > > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm for the > "official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone else seems > to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine

introduced these through a posted the

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> number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I see > everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file name. > > > > > > This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment. I would

version like

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> to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about downloading an > rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is hardly > main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put together a > package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the kernel from > ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate versions of > the required packages and compile my kernel. > > > > > > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of support SuSE > provides, especially where Oracle is concerned. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. Smiley > > > > > > > > >

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10 Feb 10 Feb

02:47

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

John, When are you going to drop OutLook Express and use Linux tools? JLK On Friday 09 February 2001 15:36, John Smiley wrote:

...

Bill Gates & Co. must laugh their collective a**es off whenever someone suggests that Linux might one day take over the desktop. With every Linux distro going its own way and with the continued battle-of-the-GUIs between GNOME and KDE, Microsoft will never have anything to worry about.

On the other hand, HP, IBM, Sun, and Compaq (sorry to see you go DEC), had better watch their backs. The 2.4 kernel is gaining ground in their territory.

John R. Smiley

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
John Smiley writes:

...
It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've

seen,

...
...
other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.

Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken. If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date, I make my own.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
John Smiley writes:

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Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they

introduced

...
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in

...
...
7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time

glibc

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...
2.2

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package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported

Oracle

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...
and I

...
...
really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH.

My

...
...
main

...
...
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The

RPM

...
...
...
package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different : :-), : found

...
...
...
that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE

know

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...
the

...
...
...
answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using

before,

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if I

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may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > Matt, > > I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I > didn't

know

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if it

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...
> would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE > provides.

What

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are

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some of

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> these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O > patch, lvm,

and

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...
reiserfs

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> in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can > obtain all of

these

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from

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...
> their respective distribution sites. What other > extras should

I be

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...
...
aware

...
> of? > > Thanks, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew" > To: "John Smiley" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use > custom RPMs? > > > Hi John, > > > > You may need to force the installation of > > Modutils, I got

mine

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here:

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> > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutil > >s/v2.4/ > > > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few > > others

offer.

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And

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for

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> > otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have > > gone

through a

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QA

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> > process too. > > > > Matt > > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Smiley > > > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom > > > RPMs? > > > > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a > > > hard time

getting

...
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used

...
> to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual > RPMs I see

posted

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...
...
...
> everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to > find

'modutils-x.x.x.rpm'

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> to update the latest version of modutils on most > linux

distributions,

...
...
but

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> SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the > modutils

rpm

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from

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say,

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> SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts > with

files in

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SuSE's

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> 'modules' package. > > > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and > > > lx-hack.rpm

for

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the

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> "official" and "non-supported" versions of the > kernel.

Everyone

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else

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seems

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> to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to > determine

the

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version

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> number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. > The

standard I

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see

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> everywhere else is to include the version number in > the rpm

file

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name.

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> > > This is making it extremely hard for me to > > > experiment.

I

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would

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like

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> to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts > about

downloading

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an

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> rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , > but this

is

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hardly

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> main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else > to put

together a

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> package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to > download the

kernel

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from

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> ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the

appropriate

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versions

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of

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> the required packages and compile my kernel. > > > > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount > > > of

support

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SuSE

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> provides, especially where Oracle is concerned. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. Smiley

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Matthew

9 Feb 9 Feb

23:10

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

had a friend who used Mandrake, really messing when it came to installaing software... Matt On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Jesse Marlin wrote:

...

John Smiley writes:

...
It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.

Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken. If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date, I make my own.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
...
Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced in 7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc 2.2 package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle and I really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My

John Smiley writes: main

...
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different :-),

...
...
that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know

...
...
answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before, if I may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
Matt,

I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know if it would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What are some of these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and reiserfs in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of these from their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be aware of?

Thanks,

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

> Hi John, > > You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got mine here: > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/ > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others offer. And for > otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone through a QA > process too. > > Matt > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Smiley > > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time getting used to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see posted everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm' to update the latest version of modutils on most linux distributions, but SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm from say, SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in SuSE's 'modules' package. > > > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm for

found the the

...
...
...
"official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone else seems to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine the version number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I see everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file name. > > > > This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment. I would like to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about downloading an rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is hardly main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put together a package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the kernel from ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate versions of the required packages and compile my kernel. > > > > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of support SuSE provides, especially where Oracle is concerned. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. Smiley > > > >

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Jerry Kreps

10 Feb 10 Feb

02:46

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

On Friday 09 February 2001 15:14, Jesse Marlin wrote:

...

John Smiley writes:

...
It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.

Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken. If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date, I make my own.

...
John

Which is one reason why I use tarballs to install apps that SuSE doesn't supply on their CDs or FTP site.

...

...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
John Smiley writes:

...
Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced

in

...
...
7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc

2.2

...
...
package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle

and I

...
...
really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My

main

...
...
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different :-),

found

...
...
...
that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know

the

...
...
...
answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before,

if I

...
...
...
may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
Matt,

I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know

if it

...
...
...
...
would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What

are

...
...
some of

...
...
these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and

reiserfs

...
...
in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of these

from

...
...
...
...
their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be

aware

...
...
of?

Thanks,

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

> Hi John, > > You may need to force the installation of > Modutils, I got mine

here:

...
...
> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/ >v2.4/ > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few > others offer.

And

...
...
for

...
...
> otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have > gone through a

QA

...
...
...
...
> process too. > > Matt > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Smiley > > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom > > RPMs? > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a > > hard time

getting

...
...
used

...
...
to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see posted everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find

'modutils-x.x.x.rpm'

...
...
to update the latest version of modutils on most linux

distributions,

...
...
but

...
...
SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm

from

...
...
say,

...
...
SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in

SuSE's

...
...
'modules' package.

> > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and > > lx-hack.rpm for

the

...
...
...
...
"official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone

else

...
...
seems

...
...
to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine the

version

...
...
number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I

see

...
...
...
...
everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file

name.

...
...
...
...
> > This is making it extremely hard for me to > > experiment. I

would

...
...
like

...
...
to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about

downloading

...
...
an

...
...
rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is

hardly

...
...
...
...
main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put

together a

...
...
...
...
package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the

kernel

...
...
from

...
...
ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate

versions

...
...
of

...
...
the required packages and compile my kernel.

> > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of > > support

SuSE

...
...
...
...
provides, especially where Oracle is concerned.

> > Regards, > > > > John R. Smiley

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Matthew

02:56

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

John, Your best option (seriously) to get the 2.4 kernel, is either get it from Mantel (its under the next directory, might as well get the 2.4.1 version) and just go for it. Force the install as modutils is totally different under 2.4, there physicially in a different directory. If that is too much for you then you would have been better off waiting for SuSE 7.1 (which gives you the option for 2.4). Again, if you are certain that rpm-i386.rpm is too risky then try and find a rpm-src-i386.rpm. Or find the *.tar.gz. Getting warnings due to earlier versions is normal.... Matt On Friday 09 February 2001 06:46 pm, Jerry Kreps wrote:

...

On Friday 09 February 2001 15:14, Jesse Marlin wrote:

...
John Smiley writes:

...
It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.

Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken. If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date, I make my own.

...
John

Which is one reason why I use tarballs to install apps that SuSE doesn't supply on their CDs or FTP site.

...
...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
John Smiley writes:

...
Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced

in

...
...
7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc

2.2

...
...
package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle

and I

...
...
really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My

main

...
...
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different :-),

found

...
...
...
that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know

the

...
...
...
answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before,

if I

...
...
...
may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > Matt, > > I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I > didn't know

if it

...
...
...
> would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE > provides. What

are

...
...
some of

...
> these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O > patch, lvm, and

reiserfs

...
> in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain > all of these

from

...
...
...
> their respective distribution sites. What other extras > should I be

aware

...
> of? > > Thanks, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew" > To: "John Smiley" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use > custom RPMs? > > > Hi John, > > > > You may need to force the installation of > > Modutils, I got mine

here:

...
> > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/ > >v2.4/ > > > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few > > others offer.

And

...
...
for

...
> > otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have > > gone through a

QA

...
...
...
> > process too. > > > > Matt > > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Smiley > > > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom > > > RPMs? > > > > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a > > > hard time

getting

...
...
used

...
> to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs > I see posted everywhere on the web. For example, it's > easy to find

'modutils-x.x.x.rpm'

...
> to update the latest version of modutils on most linux

distributions,

...
...
but

...
> SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the > modutils rpm

from

...
...
say,

...
> SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts > with files in

SuSE's

...
> 'modules' package. > > > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and > > > lx-hack.rpm for

the

...
...
...
> "official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. > Everyone

else

...
...
seems

...
> to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to > determine the

version

...
> number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The > standard I

see

...
...
...
> everywhere else is to include the version number in the > rpm file

name.

...
...
...
> > > This is making it extremely hard for me to > > > experiment. I

would

...
...
like

...
> to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts > about

downloading

...
...
an

...
> rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , > but this is

hardly

...
...
...
> main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to > put

together a

...
...
...
> package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to > download the

kernel

...
...
from

...
> ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the > appropriate

versions

...
...
of

...
> the required packages and compile my kernel. > > > > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of > > > support

SuSE

...
...
...
> provides, especially where Oracle is concerned. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. Smiley

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Jerry Kreps

16:11

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

Once caveat about 2.4.x..... If you have to use OSS sound (4Front technologies) like I do, you may not be able to get your sound card running. The last I heard they hadn't fixed the bugs the prevent their driver from working on old Yamaha chips using SuSE and 2.4 JLK On Friday 09 February 2001 20:56, Matthew wrote:

...

John,

Your best option (seriously) to get the 2.4 kernel, is either get it from Mantel (its under the next directory, might as well get the 2.4.1 version) and just go for it. Force the install as modutils is totally different under 2.4, there physicially in a different directory.

If that is too much for you then you would have been better off waiting for SuSE 7.1 (which gives you the option for 2.4).

Again, if you are certain that rpm-i386.rpm is too risky then try and find a rpm-src-i386.rpm. Or find the *.tar.gz.

Getting warnings due to earlier versions is normal....

Matt

On Friday 09 February 2001 06:46 pm, Jerry Kreps wrote:

...
On Friday 09 February 2001 15:14, Jesse Marlin wrote:

...
John Smiley writes:

...
It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.

Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.

Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken. If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date, I make my own.

...
John

Which is one reason why I use tarballs to install apps that SuSE doesn't supply on their CDs or FTP site.

...
...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin" To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
John Smiley writes:

...
Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced

in

...
...
7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc

2.2

...
...
package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle

and I

...
...
really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My

main

...
...
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.

...
John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

> Hello John, > > 2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for > different :-),

found

...
...
> that out... > > Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone > from SuSE know

the

...
...
> answer to this one? > > You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you > using before,

if I

...
...
> may ask? > > Matt > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > > Matt, > > > > I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. > > I didn't know

if it

...
...
> > would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE > > provides. What

are

...
...
some of

> > these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O > > patch, lvm, and

reiserfs

> > in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can > > obtain all of these

from

...
...
> > their respective distribution sites. What other > > extras should I be

aware

> > of? > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew" > > To: "John Smiley" > > Cc: > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use > > custom RPMs? > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > You may need to force the installation of > > > Modutils, I got mine

here: > > > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modut > > >ils/ v2.4/ > > > > > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that > > > few others offer.

And

...
...
for

> > > otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have > > > gone through a

QA

...
...
> > > process too. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John Smiley > > > > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > > > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use > > > > custom RPMs? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a > > > > hard time

getting

...
...
used

> > to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual > > RPMs I see posted everywhere on the web. For > > example, it's easy to find

'modutils-x.x.x.rpm'

> > to update the latest version of modutils on most > > linux

distributions,

...
...
but

> > SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal > > the modutils rpm

from

...
...
say,

> > SourceForge, I get a message saying that it > > conflicts with files in

SuSE's

> > 'modules' package. > > > > > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and > > > > lx-hack.rpm for

the

...
...
> > "official" and "non-supported" versions of the > > kernel. Everyone

else

...
...
seems

> > to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to > > determine the

version

> > number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. > > The standard I

see

...
...
> > everywhere else is to include the version number in > > the rpm file

name.

...
...
> > > > This is making it extremely hard for me to > > > > experiment. I

would

...
...
like

> > to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the > > posts about

downloading

...
...
an

> > rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ > > , but this is

hardly

...
...
> > main stream! I don't want to depend on someone > > else to put

together a

...
...
> > package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to > > download the

kernel

...
...
from

> > ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the > > appropriate

versions

...
...
of

> > the required packages and compile my kernel. > > > > > > Please help. I'm very impressed by the > > > > amount of support

SuSE

...
...
> > provides, especially where Oracle is concerned. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > John R. Smiley

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Matthew

9 Feb 9 Feb

21:23

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

Had to think for awhile about that RPM issue, there are a few differences between the systems I believe (and am I right in thinking that RH has changed there RPM to a brand new version?). I think the main differences will be slight differences in the libraries (depending on the package), but the biggest one will be the actual location of the place that the software will go. RH is non-standard (SuSE is based on Slackware, which in turn based itself off of the main Unix standards) and SuSE is the one nearest to the LSB dynamic standard. Any differences between the RPM's may well have been introduced with RH 7.0 as they introduced a much newer RPM package manager... I wish they would name there rpms better than just modutils.rpm...Although with Yast you can pull up the version details. Hope that answers it all, Matt (would be great if SuSE would use that tool, or support that tool that allows you to use Debian package manager...) On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...

Matt,

I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced in 7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc 2.2 package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle and I really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My main gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hello John,

2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different :-), found that out...

Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know the answer to this one?

You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before, if I may ask?

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
Matt,

I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know if it would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What are some of these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and reiserfs in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of these from their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be aware of?

Thanks,

John

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

...
Hi John,

You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got mine here: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/

With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others offer. And for otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone through a QA process too.

Matt

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:

...
----- Original Message ----- From: John Smiley To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time getting

used to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see posted everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm' to update the latest version of modutils on most linux distributions, but SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm from say, SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in SuSE's 'modules' package.

...
Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm for the

"official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone else seems to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine the version number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I see everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file name.

...
This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment. I would

like to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about downloading an rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is hardly main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put together a package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the kernel from ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate versions of the required packages and compile my kernel.

...
Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of support SuSE

provides, especially where Oracle is concerned.

...
Regards,

John R. Smiley

Thorsten Kukuk

10 Feb 10 Feb

07:16

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?

On Fri, Feb 09, Matthew wrote:

...

I wish they would name there rpms better than just modutils.rpm...Although with Yast you can pull up the version details.

We have both, the full, long names and the short one on every CD and on the ftp server. I really don't understand your problem with it. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE GmbH Schanzaeckerstr. 10 90443 Nuernberg Linux is like a Vorlon. It is incredibly powerful, gives terse, cryptic answers and has a lot of things going on in the background.

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