John, When are you going to drop OutLook Express and use Linux tools? JLK On Friday 09 February 2001 15:36, John Smiley wrote:
Bill Gates & Co. must laugh their collective a**es off whenever someone suggests that Linux might one day take over the desktop. With every Linux distro going its own way and with the continued battle-of-the-GUIs between GNOME and KDE, Microsoft will never have anything to worry about.
On the other hand, HP, IBM, Sun, and Compaq (sorry to see you go DEC), had better watch their backs. The 2.4 kernel is gaining ground in their territory.
John R. Smiley
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin"
To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? John Smiley writes:
It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've
seen,
other than SuSE, uses the same standard.
Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.
Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken. If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date, I make my own.
John
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin"
To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? John Smiley writes:
Matt,
I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they
introduced
in
7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time
glibc
2.2
package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported
Oracle
and I
really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH.
My
main
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.
You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The
RPM
package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.
John
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew"
To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? Hello John,
2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different : :-), : found
that out...
Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE
know
the
answer to this one?
You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using
before,
if I
may ask?
Matt
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > Matt, > > I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I > didn't
know
if it
> would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE > provides.
What
are
some of
> these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O > patch, lvm,
and
reiserfs
> in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can > obtain all of
these
from
> their respective distribution sites. What other > extras should
I be
aware
> of? > > Thanks, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew"
> To: "John Smiley" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use > custom RPMs? > > > Hi John, > > > > You may need to force the installation of > > Modutils, I got mine
here:
> > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutil > >s/v2.4/ > > > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few > > others
offer.
And
for
> > otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have > > gone
through a
QA
> > process too. > > > > Matt > > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Smiley > > > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom > > > RPMs? > > > > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a > > > hard time
getting
used
> to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual > RPMs I see
posted
> everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to > find
'modutils-x.x.x.rpm'
> to update the latest version of modutils on most > linux
distributions,
but
> SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the > modutils
rpm
from
say,
> SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts > with
files in
SuSE's
> 'modules' package. > > > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and > > > lx-hack.rpm
for
the
> "official" and "non-supported" versions of the > kernel.
Everyone
else
seems
> to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to > determine
the
version
> number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. > The
standard I
see
> everywhere else is to include the version number in > the rpm
file
name.
> > > This is making it extremely hard for me to > > > experiment.
I
would
like
> to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts > about
downloading
an
> rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , > but this
is
hardly
> main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else > to put
together a
> package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to > download the
kernel
from
> ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the
appropriate
versions
of
> the required packages and compile my kernel. > > > > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount > > > of
support
SuSE
> provides, especially where Oracle is concerned. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. Smiley
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