On Friday 09 February 2001 15:14, Jesse Marlin wrote:
John Smiley writes:
It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've seen, other than SuSE, uses the same standard.
Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.
Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken. If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date, I make my own.
John
Which is one reason why I use tarballs to install apps that SuSE doesn't supply on their CDs or FTP site.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Marlin"
To: "John Smiley" Cc: "Matthew" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? John Smiley writes:
Matt,
I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they introduced
in
7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time glibc
2.2
package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported Oracle
and I
really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH. My
main
gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.
You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The RPM package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.
John
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew"
To: "John Smiley" Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? Hello John,
2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different :-),
found
that out...
Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE know
the
answer to this one?
You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using before,
if I
may ask?
Matt
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:
Matt,
I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't know
if it
would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides. What
are
some of
these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm, and
reiserfs
in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of these
from
their respective distribution sites. What other extras should I be
aware
of?
Thanks,
John
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew"
To: "John Smiley" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs? > Hi John, > > You may need to force the installation of > Modutils, I got mine
here:
> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/ >v2.4/ > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few > others offer.
And
for
> otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have > gone through a
QA
> process too. > > Matt > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Smiley > > To: suse-linux-e@suse.com > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom > > RPMs? > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a > > hard time
getting
used
to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see posted everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find
'modutils-x.x.x.rpm'
to update the latest version of modutils on most linux
distributions,
but
SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils rpm
from
say,
SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with files in
SuSE's
'modules' package.
> > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and > > lx-hack.rpm for
the
"official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel. Everyone
else
seems
to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine the
version
number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The standard I
see
everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm file
name.
> > This is making it extremely hard for me to > > experiment. I
would
like
to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about
downloading
an
rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this is
hardly
main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put
together a
package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the
kernel
from
ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the appropriate
versions
of
the required packages and compile my kernel.
> > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of > > support
SuSE
provides, especially where Oracle is concerned.
> > Regards, > > > > John R. Smiley
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