The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. CUPS also has to be told (separately, I think) what the paper size is. For Americans, it should be letter size. The setting is in the filter parameters of the printer. Since I ask lots of questions, perhaps I can do a good turn for others here. Paul
On Saturday 29 April 2006 00:32, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
Since I ask lots of questions, perhaps I can do a good turn for others here.
Very good intentions, Paul, but the above subject line will be much more informative to people searching or landing in the archives through Google. Carl
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. CUPS also has to be told (separately, I think) what the paper size is. For Americans, it should be letter size. The setting is in the filter parameters of the printer.
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter.. If only standards were... standards. C.
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by smaug42@gmail.com:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. CUPS also has to be told (separately, I think) what the paper size is. For Americans, it should be letter size. The setting is in the filter parameters of the printer.
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter..
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply.
On Saturday April 29 2006 07:32, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by smaug42@gmail.com:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. CUPS also has to be told (separately, I think) what the paper size is. For Americans, it should be letter size. The setting is in the filter parameters of the printer.
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter..
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
Theo
Well, engineers tend to think and work in measurements which are multiples of 10^3 or 10^-3. What the hell are centimeters and deciliters and those things good for? Give me thousandths of an inch or kilowatts, or milliwatts or GHz and I'll be happy! --doug
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by al4321@gmail.com: Please get the attributions correct, it was me who wrote this:
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
What standards ? Like mile & feet to meters & kilometers ?
And gallon vs liter, lbs vs kilo etc. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply.
Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by al4321@gmail.com:
Please get the attributions correct, it was me who wrote this:
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
What standards ? Like mile & feet to meters & kilometers ?
And gallon vs liter, lbs vs kilo etc.
Theo
And please don't forget that to make it conform even more with the rest of the civilised world - well the old Raj at least :-) - the American gallon is not the same volume as the real gallon. (As I typed this, the damn spell-checker in this Firefox picked up my faulty spelling of "civilised" which it wants to turn into an abomination by spelling it "civilized". Sigh.) Cheers. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.
Basil Chupin wrote:
Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by al4321@gmail.com:
Please get the attributions correct, it was me who wrote this:
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
What standards ? Like mile & feet to meters & kilometers ?
And gallon vs liter, lbs vs kilo etc.
Theo
And please don't forget that to make it conform even more with the rest of the civilised world - well the old Raj at least :-) - the American gallon is not the same volume as the real gallon.
(As I typed this, the damn spell-checker in this Firefox picked up my faulty spelling of "civilised" which it wants to turn into an abomination by spelling it "civilized". Sigh.)
Cheers.
Spell checkers, thats funny! Don't forget we in the US also have Legal size paper (8.5x14, as in inches). This for our lawyers, or more specifically, what the courts require. Jim F
On 4/29/06 10:41 AM, "Jim Flanagan"
Spell checkers, thats funny! Don't forget we in the US also have Legal size paper (8.5x14, as in inches). This for our lawyers, or more specifically, what the courts require.
Jim F
Um, no. not according to our US Government. Legal is 8.5" X 11". The _old_ legal was 14". That changed back in the 80's or 90's. It's the office supply companies and general public and such that still call 14" legal. Take it from a business/forms/commercial printer. -- Thanks, George "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." -Abraham Lincoln
Laugardaginn þann 29 apríl 2006 17:17 skrifaði suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com:
It's the office supply companies and general public and such that still call 14" legal.
Well, obviously, since A4 or 14" papers aren't legal ... how on earth do we ever expect Americans to adopt our systems. We can't expect them to accept our non-legal ways, can we. I find the topic, half humorous ... half silly. Unlike dogs, we "humans" or at least the definition of human, states we are not limited to a mere subset of communication skills, or commando interpretation capability. Which means, we shouldn't have problem with being able to handle both and tell the difference.
On Saturday 29 April 2006 9:42 pm, Orn E. Hansen wrote:
Laugardaginn þann 29 apríl 2006 17:17 skrifaði suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com:
It's the office supply companies and general public and such that still call 14" legal.
Well, obviously, since A4 or 14" papers aren't legal ... how on earth do we ever expect Americans to adopt our systems. We can't expect them to accept our non-legal ways, can we.
The failure of the US and Britain to convert to the obviously more sensible metric system isn't just a matter of stupidity or stubbornness. If nothing else, look at the investment people have in socket wrenches calibrated in fractions of an inch, and in the hardware that they fit onto. Or all those machine components that are measured in inches and have to fit together. Metric conversion is a terrifyingly expensive proposition. I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil? Paul
On Sunday 30 April 2006 12:17, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
Damn my almost 20 year old Jeep uses mostly metric. You sure the fitting is 3/16ths and not some metric size? Nick
* Nick Zentena
On Sunday 30 April 2006 12:17, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
Damn my almost 20 year old Jeep uses mostly metric. You sure the fitting is 3/16ths and not some metric size?
Odd ??? My Yamaha GTS1000 was all metric, but none of the metric spanners will fit my Harley Wide-Glide ???? Go figure ??? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Sunday 30 April 2006 14:02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Odd ??? My Yamaha GTS1000 was all metric, but none of the metric spanners will fit my Harley Wide-Glide ????
I remember when I got the truck. The big thing was they'd switched to metric oil filters and spark plugs. I had to make sure I got the right ones. The same basic engine has now been built for about 40 years I guess. Nick
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 12:21 -0400, Nick Zentena wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 12:17, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
Damn my almost 20 year old Jeep uses mostly metric. You sure the fitting is 3/16ths and not some metric size? 4mm?
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 12:21 -0400, Nick Zentena wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 12:17, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
Damn my almost 20 year old Jeep uses mostly metric. You sure the fitting is 3/16ths and not some metric size? 4mm?
The metric and imperial sizes up to 10mm(3/8") are interchangable, above that there are noticible differences. Australia changed to the metric monetary system in 1966 and the metric measuring system commenced being phased in about two years later. Does that mean we are a superior race. -- Regards, | Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth | IT & Internet Chairman Ipswich, Australia | http://www.lionsq3.asn.au -------------------------------------------------
Rob Unsworth wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 12:21 -0400, Nick Zentena wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 12:17, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
Damn my almost 20 year old Jeep uses mostly metric. You sure the fitting is 3/16ths and not some metric size? 4mm?
The metric and imperial sizes up to 10mm(3/8") are interchangable, above that there are noticible differences.
Australia changed to the metric monetary system in 1966 and the metric measuring system commenced being phased in about two years later. Does that mean we are a superior race.
But you also do everything upside down. ;-)
James Knott wrote:
Rob Unsworth wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 12:21 -0400, Nick Zentena wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 12:17, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
Damn my almost 20 year old Jeep uses mostly metric. You sure the fitting is 3/16ths and not some metric size?
4mm?
The metric and imperial sizes up to 10mm(3/8") are interchangable, above that there are noticible differences.
Australia changed to the metric monetary system in 1966 and the metric measuring system commenced being phased in about two years later. Does that mean we are a superior race.
But you also do everything upside down. ;-) Actually no. It's the other way 'round. The eye being a simple lens sees everything updside down so where we are we do things the right way up but it's you people up "there" who are doing it all wrong.
:-) Cheers. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.
On Monday 01 May 2006 01:25, Rob Unsworth wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 12:21 -0400, Nick Zentena wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 12:17, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
Damn my almost 20 year old Jeep uses mostly metric. You sure the fitting is 3/16ths and not some metric size?
4mm?
The metric and imperial sizes up to 10mm(3/8") are interchangable, above that there are noticible differences.
Australia changed to the metric monetary system in 1966 and the metric measuring system commenced being phased in about two years later. Does that mean we are a superior race.
-- Regards, | Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth | IT & Internet Chairman Ipswich, Australia | http://www.lionsq3.asn.au -------------------------------------------------
19/32 = 15mm darn ford propshat bolts on the old MKIII IV V cortinas pain in the butt .. -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM
into electronic streams flowing thru the cosmos On Sunday 30 April 2006 8:25 pm, Rob Unsworth wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 12:21 -0400, Nick Zentena wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 12:17, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
Damn my almost 20 year old Jeep uses mostly metric. You sure the fitting is 3/16ths and not some metric size?
4mm?
The metric and imperial sizes up to 10mm(3/8") are interchangable, above that there are noticible differences.
Australia changed to the metric monetary system in 1966 and the metric measuring system commenced being phased in about two years later. Does that mean we are a superior race.
Note, country Identifications are NOT Racial.. there are only a few "Races" in the world. It is a very broad "class characteristic" IIRC Rather like "animal, vegetable, or mineral" -- j "There's a woman goin' crazy on Caroline Street Stoppin' every man that she does meet Sayin' if you'll be gentle if you'll be sweet I'll show you my place on Caroline Street" Song lyric
Hi, On Monday 01 May 2006 13:36, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:
...
Note, country Identifications are NOT Racial.. there are only a few "Races" in the world. It is a very broad "class characteristic" IIRC Rather like "animal, vegetable, or mineral"
I suppose I shouldn't do this, but, I have lapses in judgement... There is only one race of humans. Homo sapiens. There is no biological basis for what we refer to as race. The tiny handful of genes that are responsible for ethnic characteristics are but a miniscule fraction of our genome and all the rest of the genome mixes and flows throughout humanity without respect to those genes that produce externally visible phenotypic differences. You want to know what racism is? It's the belief that there is such a thing as race. Randall Schulz
You want to know what racism is? It's the belief that there is such a thing as race.
Tell that to the people making the laws in the country I live in - no I'm not going to say what country it is - suffice to say that the problems in the country seen to be always blamed on a specific race or ethnicity that is a very visible minority here. They are going so far as to make laws that are specifically targetted at certain enthic groups. It's sad that people can't learn from history and realise that, as you said, there are only people... that despite small physical variations, we are all the same... we are all human and we need to look after each other if we have any hope of surviving. All we can do as individuals is try our best to be open and care for those around us. I try my best to do my part - including travelling the world (and living in various countries/continents) to learn how people live in other parts of the world. It's been the best education I could have given myself and has really opened my eyes to the reality of life. Now... if only we could convince everyone to use SUSE :-) Ha ha
Clayton, On Tuesday 02 May 2006 00:20, Clayton wrote:
You want to know what racism is? It's the belief that there is such a thing as race.
Tell that to the people making the laws in the country I live in - no I'm not going to say what country it is - suffice to say that the problems in the country seen to be always blamed on a specific race or ethnicity that is a very visible minority here. They are going so far as to make laws that are specifically targetted at certain enthic groups.
And I would be the first to acknowledge that the social phenomena surrounding so-called "race" are very real, very powerful and often very pernicious. I sometimes think that the reason your overt, KKK- or Nazi-style racist is so angry is the cognitive dissonance of knowing that what they expound is so very false. And I would never suggest that people should discard their heritage and customs. Then again, I think most societies have some negative customs, a common one being a despicable attitude towards women. People often point to custom as an excuse for nasty practices. Slavery was the custom in parts of the Americas for a few hundred years. Custom does not excuse immoral practices. This could go on, and it shouldn't, of course. Not here. I'm sorry to have done this, but race is a "hot button" with me, too, in my own way.
...
Now... if only we could convince everyone to use SUSE :-) Ha ha
Up with SuSE!! Randall Schulz
Randall R Schulz wrote:
Clayton,
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 00:20, Clayton wrote:
You want to know what racism is? It's the belief that there is such a thing as race.
Tell that to the people making the laws in the country I live in - no I'm not going to say what country it is - suffice to say that the problems in the country seen to be always blamed on a specific race or ethnicity that is a very visible minority here. They are going so far as to make laws that are specifically targetted at certain enthic groups.
And I would be the first to acknowledge that the social phenomena surrounding so-called "race" are very real, very powerful and often very pernicious.
I sometimes think that the reason your overt, KKK- or Nazi-style racist is so angry is the cognitive dissonance of knowing that what they expound is so very false.
And I would never suggest that people should discard their heritage and customs. Then again, I think most societies have some negative customs, a common one being a despicable attitude towards women. People often point to custom as an excuse for nasty practices. Slavery was the custom in parts of the Americas for a few hundred years. Custom does not excuse immoral practices.
This could go on, and it shouldn't, of course. Not here.
I'm sorry to have done this, but race is a "hot button" with me, too, in my own way.
...
Now... if only we could convince everyone to use SUSE :-) Ha ha
Up with SuSE!!
Randall Schulz
Gee, I sure had abit more fun then usual when I was reading through tech mails and came across this thread, but I seriously doubt this belongs here - maybe novel can setup a list rantingrandom@suse.com ;) Greets, -- Benjamin Belau Support | IVV5 | Math | uni-muenster.de Tel.: (0251) 83-33754 http://wwwmath.uni-muenster.de/IVV
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 16:51 +0200, Benjamin Belau wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote:
Gee, I sure had abit more fun then usual when I was reading through tech mails and came across this thread, but I seriously doubt this belongs here - maybe novel can setup a list rantingrandom@suse.com ;)
Already is such a list, it is the OT list where anything goes, well almost anything. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Tuesday, May 02, 2006 @ 1:39 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Hi,
On Monday 01 May 2006 13:36, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:
...
Note, country Identifications are NOT Racial.. there are only a few "Races" in the world. It is a very broad "class characteristic" IIRC Rather like "animal, vegetable, or mineral"
I suppose I shouldn't do this, but, I have lapses in judgement...
There is only one race of humans. Homo sapiens. There is no biological basis for what we refer to as race. The tiny handful of genes that are responsible for ethnic characteristics are but a miniscule fraction of our genome and all the rest of the genome mixes and flows throughout humanity without respect to those genes that produce externally visible phenotypic differences.
You want to know what racism is? It's the belief that there is such a thing as race.
Randall Schulz
Well, though the genetic differences among races is minute, they are there, as you yourself say -- "The tiny handful...". But the difference is, indeed very minute (race is not a taxonomic category), and was caused by the physical environment where the homo sapiens with those characteristics originated. Skin color was an adaptation to differences in UV radiation at the different latitudes. Dark skin reflects UV more than light skin, so those peoples whose origins were in the tropical regions developed darker skin to cut back on the UV absorption of their skins. Conversely, those living in the lower and upper latitudes developed lighter skin to be able to absorb more UV. So, in essence, I agree with you that the differences among races are miniscule, but that to say that one who believes there is such a thing as race is racism is, I believe, going a bit too far. Greg Wallace
Þriðjudaginn, þann 2 maí 2006 19:27 skrifaði Greg Wallace:
Well, though the genetic differences among races is minute, they are there, as you yourself say -- "The tiny handful...". But the difference is, indeed very minute (race is not a taxonomic category), and was caused by the physical environment where the homo sapiens with those characteristics originated. Skin color was an adaptation to differences in UV radiation at the different latitudes. Dark skin reflects UV more than light skin, so those peoples whose origins were in the tropical regions developed darker skin to cut back on the UV absorption of their skins. Conversely, those living in the lower and upper latitudes developed lighter skin to be able to absorb more UV. So, in essence, I agree with you that the differences among races are miniscule, but that to say that one who believes there is such a thing as race is racism is, I believe, going a bit too far.
If we go back to "biblical" times, and think of Gods "damnation" to the people of Babylon, where all the people stopped talking the same language and went Coo Coo, because they couldn't understand each other. Well, in reality, there is such a language base ... we in Europe can call it "Germanic". The Russians, I hear, want to tell the story of "Lech", "Val" and I forget who the third is ... but those of us who want to call ourselves scientific minded, are not bound to religious mind filtering. We call this "evolution", and where evolution steps in ... it's basically genes. The result is, and always will be ... we elvoved, and we evolved to a state, where it is not merely our different looks, our different height. The fact that some of us grow "end teeth" and some of us don't. The fact that some do get bald, others get a hairline around the top ... others have the hair thin up each end of the forehead. Nor the fact, that some of us often have big feet ... and that others don't have the actual correct ratio between legs and body (short legs, or long legs). Or the fact that we've grown different thought processes. Where some of us are basically democratic by birth, while others will never be no matter how much democratic schooling they go through. Of course, through thousands of years of mixing, we got mixed genes and evolution will always turn up a nasty surprise wherever we are, and whatever color of our skin... but if you think, that the difference in races is merely based on skin color, you are way out in la la land. We europeans may have the same skin color, but you and I are about as alike, as dogs and cats, and about as related. And as stated in a different letter, we have both the right of self determination, and the right to govern ourselves. Which means, that I don't have to tolerate being oppressed by you or your choice of government. Which basically gives me and those of equal mind, the right to differentiate ourselves and remove ourselves from a state of existance we consider hostile to our existance, and it also gives us the right to fight for our state of existence as a group. But it does not give you the right to oppress us, by forcing anyone to live under conditions they don't want to approve of. The right of self determination, is one of foundations of democracy.
Greg Wallace
Þriðjudaginn, þann 2 maí 2006 08:39 skrifaði Randall R Schulz:
There is only one race of humans. Homo sapiens. There is no biological basis for what we refer to as race. The tiny handful of genes that are responsible for ethnic characteristics are but a miniscule fraction of our genome and all the rest of the genome mixes and flows throughout humanity without respect to those genes that produce externally visible phenotypic differences.
Basically, that's a whole lot of Politically Correct crap. This kind of politicall correctness was invented, to avoid a repetition of the great wars of Europe. While in reality, it's the heart of the wars of Europe through the centuries. You think, that we should all be one big happy family. If you think that's possible, you need help. You and I don't think alike, and you may think you are related to me because you are black or white like I am. But sorry Bud, my definition of "my people" is not limited to black or white. I, and those of my family and those who share my thoughts and reasoning, weather they are few or many. We have the right of SELF DETERMINATION. We have the God Given right, to determine our own future, and govern ourselves. You DO NOT HAVE the right to remove that, except by force and oppression, which is not a God given right. The reality, that you by spewing this PC crap, do not comprehend that you are working against democratic values, and working for removing the right of individuals and groups, to govern themselves, calls the status of many people in this world to question, as to weather they are actually sentient. Or wether they are, but are merely evil and are working under false pretences. Eventually, the result are the same ... I can't go to my own bathroom, without a camera up my <you know what>. You call that self determination? I call that oppression, in the extreme. If I and those who follow me want to think of ourselves as the pinkies, that is our right. If we want to have our own government, that is our right ... it's called democracy. It stems from Hellas, and is referring to the fact that Hellas was a loose unity of many states, that all had different forms of government varying in degree, freedom and opinion, and population. This is what is referred to as democracy, not the "republic" form that is the Roman Empire and all that has followed. Where all subjects are oppressed under a single government, that is for the benefit of the greedy, and where the subjects are it's slaves. If it's one think I hate, it's PC crap and those who stand for it.
Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 9:42 pm, Orn E. Hansen wrote:
Laugardaginn þann 29 apríl 2006 17:17 skrifaði suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com:
It's the office supply companies and general public and such that still call 14" legal.
Well, obviously, since A4 or 14" papers aren't legal ... how on earth do we ever expect Americans to adopt our systems. We can't expect them to accept our non-legal ways, can we.
The failure of the US and Britain to convert to the obviously more sensible metric system isn't just a matter of stupidity or stubbornness. If nothing else, look at the investment people have in socket wrenches calibrated in fractions of an inch, and in the hardware that they fit onto. Or all those machine components that are measured in inches and have to fit together. Metric conversion is a terrifyingly expensive proposition.
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
Actually, a lot of car parts are metric.
James Knott wrote:
Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 9:42 pm, Orn E. Hansen wrote:
Laugardaginn þann 29 apríl 2006 17:17 skrifaði suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com:
It's the office supply companies and general public and such that still call 14" legal.
Well, obviously, since A4 or 14" papers aren't legal ... how on earth do
we
ever expect Americans to adopt our systems. We can't expect them to accept our non-legal ways, can we.
The failure of the US and Britain to convert to the obviously more sensible metric system isn't just a matter of stupidity or stubbornness. If nothing else, look at the investment people have in socket wrenches calibrated in fractions of an inch, and in the hardware that they fit onto. Or all those machine components that are measured in inches and have to fit together. Metric conversion is a terrifyingly expensive proposition.
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
Actually, a lot of car parts are metric. Correct, because most of them are - and have been for a very long time - manufactured in Japan or Europe or other countries (like Australia) which use the metric system.
Cheers. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.
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The failure of the US and Britain to convert to the obviously more sensible metric system isn't just a matter of stupidity or stubbornness. If nothing else, look at the investment people have in socket wrenches calibrated in fractions of an inch, and in the hardware that they fit onto. Or all those machine components that are measured in inches and have to fit together. Metric conversion is a terrifyingly expensive proposition.
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years. We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVRQxtTMYHG2NR9URAg6sAKCBNKGBXKWtoUESvZQn9WcJJ/PoQACeMQcU WvJ8qpaj4ebqkZdZBVCxsTE= =4PxH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 12:17 -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The failure of the US and Britain to convert to the obviously more sensible metric system isn't just a matter of stupidity or stubbornness. If nothing else, look at the investment people have in socket wrenches calibrated in fractions of an inch, and in the hardware that they fit onto. Or all those machine components that are measured in inches and have to fit together. Metric conversion is a terrifyingly expensive proposition.
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
- --
Just wait until the Euro fails.... :-)))))))))) -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVS/MtTMYHG2NR9URAth6AJ9moL/Lvn1DXh1b/YA3ZWr4pKNqNQCgk62O QqJdmg864mD61RHCYTzwfaE= =Vq2T -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P
And how many pounds make a dollar? And what is the value of an ounce? :-) :-) -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Sunday 30 April 2006 04:53 pm, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P
And how many pounds make a dollar? And what is the value of an ounce?
Oh, it is quite simple, actually. You have one pence. Twelve pence make up a shilling. Sixteen Shilling make up a Pound. Of course, if your lorry weighs 200 stone, it probably only gets 16 furlongs per fortnight of petrol on a 3 bushel tank. :) -- kai - www.perfectreign.com www.livebeans.com - the new NetBeans community 43...for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.
On Monday 01 May 2006 02:58, kai wrote:
Oh, it is quite simple, actually.
You have one pence. Twelve pence make up a shilling. Sixteen Shilling make up a Pound.
4 goes to tax then? A pre-decimalisation pound was 20 shilling, 240 pence
Of course, if your lorry weighs 200 stone, it probably only gets 16 furlongs per fortnight of petrol on a 3 bushel tank.
My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it
On Monday 01 May 2006 03:43, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Hey, Anders,
On Sunday 30 April 2006 18:10, Anders Johansson wrote:
...
My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it
Hey, hey, hey! Attribution, please!
Get real, that's a very famous quote and I quoted it verbatim, down to the ungrammatical "I likes". Any google for rod and hogshead will turn up that quote immediately. If I'd wanted to pretend I came up with it I would have altered it to make it harder to google 119 thousand litres per 100 km is pretty funny though
Anders, On Sunday 30 April 2006 18:59, Anders Johansson wrote:
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My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it
Hey, hey, hey! Attribution, please!
Get real, that's a very famous quote and I quoted it verbatim, down to the ungrammatical "I likes".
I didn't say you misquoted it. I said you didn't attribute it.
...
RRS
kai wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 04:53 pm, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P
And how many pounds make a dollar? And what is the value of an ounce?
Oh, it is quite simple, actually.
You have one pence. Twelve pence make up a shilling. Sixteen Shilling make up a Pound.
Of course, if your lorry weighs 200 stone, it probably only gets 16 furlongs per fortnight of petrol on a 3 bushel tank.
:) That's your farthing's worth, is it? :-)
Cheers. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.
On Sunday, April 30, 2006 @ 10:03 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
kai wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 04:53 pm, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P
And how many pounds make a dollar? And what is the value of an ounce?
Oh, it is quite simple, actually.
You have one pence. Twelve pence make up a shilling. Sixteen Shilling make up a Pound.
Of course, if your lorry weighs 200 stone, it probably only gets 16 furlongs per fortnight of petrol on a 3 bushel tank.
:) That's your farthing's worth, is it? :-)
Cheers.
Farthing, eh? Is that 1/4 pence? Greg Wallace
Greg Wallace wrote:
On Sunday, April 30, 2006 @ 10:03 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
kai wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 04:53 pm, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
> You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years. > > We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those > machines that had to be replaced. It is doable. > > Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P
And how many pounds make a dollar? And what is the value of an ounce?
Oh, it is quite simple, actually.
You have one pence. Twelve pence make up a shilling. Sixteen Shilling
make up
a Pound.
Of course, if your lorry weighs 200 stone, it probably only gets 16
furlongs
per fortnight of petrol on a 3 bushel tank.
:)
That's your farthing's worth, is it? :-)
Cheers.
Farthing, eh? Is that 1/4 pence?
Greg Wallace Yes.
Cheers. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.
Ok, now to ask the obvious. Why should a particular country change its long held, tried and tested method of measurement? Good grief the Industrial Revolution came about with a myriad of different sizes. Some of these were often so local that moving from one county to another meant that nuts made, eg. here in Staffordshire would not fit a bolt made in Warwickshire. Yet the modern world came about despite this mix and match arena :-) Leave things as they are, it works. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-05-02 at 09:42 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
Ok, now to ask the obvious. Why should a particular country change its long held, tried and tested method of measurement? Good grief the Industrial Revolution came about with a myriad of different sizes. Some of these were often so local that moving from one county to another meant that nuts made, eg. here in Staffordshire would not fit a bolt made in Warwickshire. Yet the modern world came about despite this mix and match arena :-)
Leave things as they are, it works.
Not if you try to put a nut made in, say, France or Spain, to a bolt made in Britain :-P It's the same problem, but on a different scale. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVyaztTMYHG2NR9URAicuAJkBWoPmDi1T1BorfK0sW2FWc1nGMACeOJAh Xd6rBz7VNdnK7X2IkHLjgt8= =6EAN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 02/05/06, Carlos E. R.
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The Tuesday 2006-05-02 at 09:42 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
Ok, now to ask the obvious. Why should a particular country change its long held, tried and tested method of measurement? Good grief the Industrial Revolution came about with a myriad of different sizes. Some of these were often so local that moving from one county to another meant that nuts made, eg. here in Staffordshire would not fit a bolt made in Warwickshire. Yet the modern world came about despite this mix and match arena :-)
Leave things as they are, it works.
Not if you try to put a nut made in, say, France or Spain, to a bolt made in Britain :-P
It's the same problem, but on a different scale.
To be fair though an engineer would not be doing that. He/she would have the nuts and bolts supplied from one vendor and guaranteed to go together. Unlike a hobbyist engineer (such as we are) who may well have a load of tins, jars, other receptacles full of odd nuts, bolts washers etc. It is a problem for us unless we go out and buy new parts. It's a bit like trying to get a Windows program to run on Linux. We use WINE (or Crossover) and hope it will fit. Sometimes it does but sometimes it doesn't. Personally I tend to use whichever size is best suited to the purpose. Oh, think about poor plumbers... BSP, BSF, UNC, metric, imperial.... :-))) I have to make sure I get the right thread when I make a fitting for one of my rod rests (fishing) too. They are 3/8 BSF..... I think ;-) -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2006-05-02 at 09:42 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
Ok, now to ask the obvious. Why should a particular country change its long held, tried and tested method of measurement? Good grief the Industrial Revolution came about with a myriad of different sizes. Some of these were often so local that moving from one county to another meant that nuts made, eg. here in Staffordshire would not fit a bolt made in Warwickshire. Yet the modern world came about despite this mix and match arena :-)
Leave things as they are, it works.
Not if you try to put a nut made in, say, France or Spain, to a bolt made in Britain :-P
It's the same problem, but on a different scale.
Well, the French being what they are, ensure nothing fits their stuff. ;-)
On 02/05/06, James Knott
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2006-05-02 at 09:42 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
Ok, now to ask the obvious. Why should a particular country change its long held, tried and tested method of measurement? Good grief the Industrial Revolution came about with a myriad of different sizes. Some of these were often so local that moving from one county to another meant that nuts made, eg. here in Staffordshire would not fit a bolt made in Warwickshire. Yet the modern world came about despite this mix and match arena :-)
Leave things as they are, it works.
Not if you try to put a nut made in, say, France or Spain, to a bolt made in Britain :-P
It's the same problem, but on a different scale.
Well, the French being what they are, ensure nothing fits their stuff. ;-)
I couldn't possibly comment....other than a big :-))))))) -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
James Knott wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Not if you try to put a nut made in, say, France or Spain, to a bolt made in Britain :-P It's the same problem, but on a different scale.
Well, the French being what they are, ensure nothing fits their stuff. ;-)
Perhaps just for completeness - the French actually made sure that everything fits by being a major driving force being the SI (aka "Metric") system of units. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI (lots of interesting information, worth a read). AFAIK, the old platinum/iridium standard 1 meter was/is kept in a vault in Paris? /Per Jessen, Zürich
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Perhaps just for completeness - the French actually made sure that everything fits by being a major driving force being the SI (aka "Metric") system of units.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI (lots of interesting information, worth a read).
AFAIK, the old platinum/iridium standard 1 meter was/is kept in a vault in Paris?
Maybe. It was superseded by a number of wavelengths, so to speak (length of the path travelled by light in absolute vacuum during a time interval of 1/299,792,458 of a second). I think it was othe British yard standard that melted on a fire, and the definition now relies on the relation to the meter. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEXgDItTMYHG2NR9URAn+mAJ0em5h7RPacZyxFBPpE1VnNX41MSgCbBLxZ 1W+qnUlYpYw1UivL5M/Ip3U= =L7ox -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sunday, April 30, 2006 @ 6:54 PM, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P
And how many pounds make a dollar? And what is the value of an ounce?
:-) :-)
Well, it's more like how many dollars make a pound, since a pound is worth almost 2 dollars. Greg Wallace
Greg Wallace wrote:
On Sunday, April 30, 2006 @ 6:54 PM, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P
And how many pounds make a dollar? And what is the value of an ounce?
:-) :-)
Well, it's more like how many dollars make a pound, since a pound is worth almost 2 dollars.
Greg Wallace
A pound of what is worth almost 2 dollars? Cheers. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.
Hello there, I'm trying to install qmail using a tutorial from qmailrocks.org Everything went ok until I got to Courier IMAP & IMAP SSL. # telnet localhost 143 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2005 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information. a login user@domain password a NO Login failed. I get " a NO Login failed". What can I do to get IMAP working? Thanks, Iulian Badea www.mysuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-05-01 at 09:00 +0300, Inferno mySUSE wrote:
I'm trying to install qmail using a tutorial from qmailrocks.org Everything went ok until I got to Courier IMAP & IMAP SSL.
I would recommend you start your own thread instead of hijacking one, and worse, one that is going by the dozens of OT... your's will not even be seen. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVeFYtTMYHG2NR9URAgCoAKCXcYRePnfmRkXeEDskFhnjuejiRwCfSVQC qdtdPZUzOLga1EagOBoTdRQ= =ySB1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Monday 2006-05-01 at 09:00 +0300, Inferno mySUSE wrote:
I'm trying to install qmail using a tutorial from qmailrocks.org Everything went ok until I got to Courier IMAP & IMAP SSL.
I would recommend you start your own thread instead of hijacking one, and worse, one that is going by the dozens of OT... your's will not even be seen.
On top of that, the subject has nothing to do with the problem in his posting. Your problem, dear "Inferno mySUSE" is the configuration of Courier IMAP, not the qmail configuration/installation. Sandy -- List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com
Am Montag, 1. Mai 2006 06:02 schrieb Basil Chupin:
Greg Wallace wrote:
On Sunday, April 30, 2006 @ 6:54 PM, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P
And how many pounds make a dollar? And what is the value of an ounce?
:-) :-)
Well, it's more like how many dollars make a pound, since a pound is worth almost 2 dollars.
Greg Wallace
A pound of what is worth almost 2 dollars?
Cheers.
Currently €1 = $1.26259 and 1GBP = $1.82435 That was taken from xe.com this morning. -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
Mánudaginn þann 1 maí 2006 09:31 skrifaði David Wright:
Currently €1 = $1.26259 and 1GBP = $1.82435
Aren't we forgetting the relation of strong weak currency, that is if a currency is as expensive as the British pound, exports are at an all time low as people "buying" from them have to pay an arm and a leg for a loaf of bred. While, "worthless" currencies make everybody want to use their cheap labour, and not to mention they all wanna go there and buy stuff because it's cheap... lots of plastic stuff for a peanut.
That was taken from xe.com this morning. -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
On Monday 01 May 2006 05:02, Basil Chupin wrote:
Greg Wallace wrote:
On Sunday, April 30, 2006 @ 6:54 PM, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 23:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P
And how many pounds make a dollar? And what is the value of an ounce?
:-) :-)
Well, it's more like how many dollars make a pound, since a pound is worth almost 2 dollars.
Greg Wallace
A pound of what is worth almost 2 dollars? Not enough should be more like 4 or 5 dollards to the pound .... :-) ..
Pete . -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM
On Monday 01 May 2006 05:27, Nick Zentena wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 06:19, James Knott wrote:
Greg Wallace wrote:
Well, it's more like how many dollars make a pound, since a pound is worth almost 2 dollars.
A pound of what??? ;-)
Silver. Sterling silver.
Enough already! This list is about SUSE Linux! -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "I love virtuosity. I love danger." -Pierre Boulez, 2005
Mon, 01 May 2006, by gholmer@ameritech.net:
On Monday 01 May 2006 05:27, Nick Zentena wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 06:19, James Knott wrote:
Greg Wallace wrote:
Well, it's more like how many dollars make a pound, since a pound is worth almost 2 dollars.
A pound of what??? ;-)
A boxed version of XP home, unlike a boxed version of SUSE, which is worth its weight in platinum. There, see? back on topic already!
Silver. Sterling silver.
Enough already! This list is about SUSE Linux!
Lighten up Nick, it'll all be over in a couple of days. Just be glad it's a humourus OT thread for once, instead of a bashing. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply.
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 06:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Greg Wallace wrote:
Well, it's more like how many dollars make a pound, since a pound is worth almost 2 dollars.
A pound of what??? ;-)
Maybe fruit bread? :-) -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On 01/05/06, Ken Schneider
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 06:19 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Greg Wallace wrote:
Well, it's more like how many dollars make a pound, since a pound is worth almost 2 dollars.
A pound of what??? ;-)
Maybe fruit bread? :-)
Well it won't be gold as Gordon Brown sold a lot of the countries stock a few years ago :-(((( Idiot!!! As they all are in our present government. Trouble is, there's nobody good to take their place....in any party. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
On Sunday 30 April 2006 22:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 20:55 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
We changed monetary systems in Europe to Euro... think of all those machines that had to be replaced. It is doable.
Just wait until the Euro fails....
:-))))))))))
Yea, so we can then switch to pounds instead :-P
- -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson Aye ,,, ... :-) Now there's yet another good example of the absolutely brilliant ideas that run wild on the Internet ... top hole old boy ..
Pete . -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM
On Sunday 30 April 2006 3:46 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 12:17 -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The failure of the US and Britain to convert to the obviously more
metric system isn't just a matter of stupidity or stubbornness. If nothing else, look at the investment people have in socket wrenches calibrated in fractions of an inch, and in the hardware that they fit onto. Or all
sensible those
machine components that are measured in inches and have to fit together. Metric conversion is a terrifyingly expensive proposition.
You wouldn't need to change overnight. It could be done over years.
Like changing from driving on the left to driving on the right, as they did in Sweden a while back? A few cities at a time, perhaps? Actually, nuts and bolts in general are the most obvious manifestation of the problem. You can get around some incompatibilities by having two sets of wrenches, but that doesn't help if you need to attach a metric nut to an English bolt. Paul
Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 3:46 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote: Actually, nuts and bolts in general are the most obvious manifestation of the problem. You can get around some incompatibilities by having two sets of wrenches, but that doesn't help if you need to attach a metric nut to an English bolt.
Actually, the problem is all-pervasive. For example, I'm working on a bedroom/bathroom renovation that required my visiting the local hardware store (Home Depot) for some parts. I purchased some ABS plastic pipe fittings (3 and 1.5 inches), some plywood (5/8-inches thick) and some sheetrock (wallboard) (4 x 8 feet x 1/2-inch). All of these various parts had to match existing structure, including the sheetrock which goes on studs spaced every 16-inches. Considering that every house, every building and every shed in the US is built out of components sized on the English system, how in the world can you convert to metric? Dual inventory in stores until every building is replaced? Never happen. Regards, Lew Wolfgang
On Monday 01 May 2006 18:49, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Considering that every house, every building and every shed in the US is built out of components sized on the English system, how in the world can you convert to metric? Dual inventory in stores until every building is replaced? Never happen.
Dual labels. Problem solved. We get plenty of products in US package sizes. Things like 473ml instead of an Imperial pint or 500ml. Nick
Nick Zentena wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 18:49, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Considering that every house, every building and every shed in the US is built out of components sized on the English system, how in the world can you convert to metric? Dual inventory in stores until every building is replaced? Never happen.
Dual labels. Problem solved. We get plenty of products in US package sizes. Things like 473ml instead of an Imperial pint or 500ml.
But consumer food packages are seldom used in calculations. Granted, using fractions of inches in carpentry is a PITA, but imagine how much worse when you're mixing basic units at the same time! Dual labeling doesn't give all the advantages of the metric system, it just glosses over the problem and makes politicians happy. Regards, Lew Wolfgang
At 04:04 PM 5/1/2006 -0700, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Nick Zentena wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 18:49, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
/snip/ The above message didn't come in Japanese (or whatever) characters. It was received in XP, by Eudora, with which I've never had the problem. Since the problem surfaced, a few days ago, there have been at least 10 messages that showed up in KMail in this strange font. One of them was something _not_ from the list, which I really wanted to read. (It was from the NY Times, and was certainly not written in an Asian font.) Unless someone can come up with an answer to this goofy situation, I am forced to go back to my favorite email program--Eudora--and not fool with Linux again, since my major use of the OS is for email. (I do use the Open Office programs, but usually in conjunction with email.) This would be too bad. I really don't trust M/S not to screw me badly, one way or the other, but I need to be able to reliably read the email that comes to me. To reiterate the situation, 97% of the email comes readable. Perhaps 3% comes in Japanese(?) font, even tho sent in Roman characters. That computer is a Fry's, with a Pentium 4, probably about 2 GHz (I don't remember), a Sony CRT, and SuSE 10.0 Professional. Both computers receive the Internet from a Linksys BEFXS 4-port wired router, connected to a cable system via their interface. This computer is an Asus P4PE mobo, home brewed for peripherals. I don't have any problem with it, except that the Linux I installed on it cannot download emails! I think it will connect to the net, I don't remember, since I bought a machine to dedicate to Linux. I seem to remember that the video system on here is not happy with SuSE, or vice versa. [A few days ago, I complained that the printing was scrunched together on the Fry's machine. Now I suppose it's mad at me, so it prints in Japanese. These characters don't seem to be scrunched together. Oh well....] Baffled-- doug -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006
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At 04:04 PM 5/1/2006 -0700, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Nick Zentena wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 18:49, Lew Wolfgang wrote: The above message didn't come in Japanese (or whatever) characters. It was received in XP, by Eudora, with which I've never had the problem. Since the problem surfaced, a few days ago, there have been at least 10 messages that showed up in KMail in this strange font. One of them was something _not_ from the list, which I really wanted to read. (It was from the NY Times, and was certainly not written in an Asian font.) ... To reiterate the situation, 97% of the email comes readable. Perhaps 3% comes in Japanese(?) font, even tho sent in Roman characters. That computer is a Fry's, with a Pentium 4, probably about 2 GHz (I don't remember), a Sony CRT, and SuSE 10.0 Professional. Both computers receive the Internet from a Linksys BEFXS 4-port wired router, connected to a cable system via their interface. [A few days ago, I complained that the printing was scrunched together on the Fry's machine. Now I suppose it's
I have a friend that when he types <Shift>-i repeatably his fonds change
to some oriental font. From then on everything is in this font. We think
it is chinese, but it maybe japanese. The only solution we have found is
to turn-off the computer. A restart fixes the font. This is also in
email. Once he reboots he is able to read everything in english. Even
the email that suddenly changed to the oriental font. It takes anywhere
from one to 50 <Shift>-i. All he wants is a capital I. Anyone heard of
this problem? Any ideas on fixing it? I thought you would like to know
of another similar problem.
Good Luck,
- --
Boyd Gerber
At 06:14 PM 5/1/2006 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
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At 04:04 PM 5/1/2006 -0700, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Nick Zentena wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 18:49, Lew Wolfgang wrote: The above message didn't come in Japanese (or whatever) characters. It was received in XP, by Eudora, with which I've never had the problem. Since the problem surfaced, a few days ago, there have been at least 10 messages that showed up in KMail in this strange font. One of them was something _not_ from the list, which I really wanted to read. (It was from the NY Times, and was certainly not written in an Asian font.) ... To reiterate the situation, 97% of the email comes readable. Perhaps 3% comes in Japanese(?) font, even tho sent in Roman characters. That computer is a Fry's, with a Pentium 4, probably about 2 GHz (I don't remember), a Sony CRT, and SuSE 10.0 Professional. Both computers receive the Internet from a Linksys BEFXS 4-port wired router, connected to a cable system via their interface. [A few days ago, I complained that the printing was scrunched together on the Fry's machine. Now I suppose it's
I have a friend that when he types <Shift>-i repeatably his fonds change to some oriental font. From then on everything is in this font. We think it is chinese, but it maybe japanese. The only solution we have found is to turn-off the computer. A restart fixes the font. This is also in email. Once he reboots he is able to read everything in english. Even the email that suddenly changed to the oriental font. It takes anywhere from one to 50 <Shift>-i. All he wants is a capital I. Anyone heard of this problem? Any ideas on fixing it? I thought you would like to know of another similar problem.
Good Luck,
- -- Boyd Gerber
Hi, Boyd, and all-- I have had no reason to type shift-i, except for the first person singular, every once in a while. I rebooted the machine from OFF and looked at the message from the Times--it was still in goofy font. I thought that it might print in Roman, but no. The printer was even more confused than the screen. I did not type shift-i after restarting. I need some guru to tell me what's going on, and how to fix it. I suppose I could reinstall SuSE, and go thru all the customizing things again, but I really don't want to. And who knows if it would even solve the problem? I seem to be seeing some different screen-saver images right at the moment: one seems to be architecturally based, and winds up with what looks like a high aerial view of Brooklyn, or maybe Tokyo? I have no idea if this is related to the problem. I used to get blobs of color, flying around. After rolling the mouse ball again, I got a clock face on a black background, and then the screen blacked out. Is the screen saver supposed to be consistent, or is it supposed to be different every time? (As I futz with it, I guess it _is_ supposed to be different.) I have mentioned elsewhere, that one cannot rely on the date that that computer thinks is "today." It can be off by years either way. This evening, after the shutdown and reboot, it still knows the date and time, however. If some output from some diagnostic routine would be useful, please advise. I will send it from KMail, and I hope it won't come out in Japanese. --doug -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006
At 10:05 PM 5/1/2006 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote: /snip/ A few messages come up in an Asian font. It occurs to me, that a few days before this started, I went to the setup routine for KMail, and tried a few different fonts, in order to get the screen image and the print to work better. (I wound up returning (I hope) the font to its original situation.) Is it possible that I inadvertantly activated this goofy font, and that some trigger in the incoming message causes the Asian font to be activated, instead of Roman? If that's the case, it ought to be fairly simple to fix, if I knew where to look and what to change. And what to turn off, if it's turned on.
I need some guru to tell me what's going on, and how to fix it. I suppose I could reinstall SuSE, and go thru all the customizing things again, but I really don't want to. And who knows if it would even solve the problem?
/snip/
If some output from some diagnostic routine would be useful, please advise. I will send it from KMail, and I hope it won't come out in Japanese.
--doug
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On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 22:05 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
At 06:14 PM 5/1/2006 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
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At 04:04 PM 5/1/2006 -0700, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Nick Zentena wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 18:49, Lew Wolfgang wrote: The above message didn't come in Japanese (or whatever) characters. It was received in XP, by Eudora, with which I've never had the problem. Since the problem surfaced, a few days ago, there have been at least 10 messages that showed up in KMail in this strange font. One of them was something _not_ from the list, which I really wanted to read. (It was from the NY Times, and was certainly not written in an Asian font.) ... To reiterate the situation, 97% of the email comes readable. Perhaps 3% comes in Japanese(?) font, even tho sent in Roman characters. That computer is a Fry's, with a Pentium 4, probably about 2 GHz (I don't remember), a Sony CRT, and SuSE 10.0 Professional. Both computers receive the Internet from a Linksys BEFXS 4-port wired router, connected to a cable system via their interface. [A few days ago, I complained that the printing was scrunched together on the Fry's machine. Now I suppose it's
I have a friend that when he types <Shift>-i repeatably his fonds change to some oriental font. From then on everything is in this font. We think it is chinese, but it maybe japanese. The only solution we have found is to turn-off the computer. A restart fixes the font. This is also in email. Once he reboots he is able to read everything in english. Even the email that suddenly changed to the oriental font. It takes anywhere from one to 50 <Shift>-i. All he wants is a capital I. Anyone heard of this problem? Any ideas on fixing it? I thought you would like to know of another similar problem.
Good Luck,
- -- Boyd Gerber
Hi, Boyd, and all--
I have had no reason to type shift-i, except for the first person singular, every once in a while. I rebooted the machine from OFF and looked at the message from the Times--it was still in goofy font. I thought that it might print in Roman, but no. The printer was even more confused than the screen. I did not type shift-i after restarting.
I need some guru to tell me what's going on, and how to fix it. I suppose I could reinstall SuSE, and go thru all the customizing things again, but I really don't want to. And who knows if it would even solve the problem?
I seem to be seeing some different screen-saver images right at the moment: one seems to be architecturally based, and winds up with what looks like a high aerial view of Brooklyn, or maybe Tokyo? I have no idea if this is related to the problem. I used to get blobs of color, flying around. After rolling the mouse ball again, I got a clock face on a black background, and then the screen blacked out. Is the screen saver supposed to be consistent, or is it supposed to be different every time? (As I futz with it, I guess it _is_ supposed to be different.)
I have mentioned elsewhere, that one cannot rely on the date that that computer thinks is "today." It can be off by years either way. This evening, after the shutdown and reboot, it still knows the date and time, however.
If some output from some diagnostic routine would be useful, please advise. I will send it from KMail, and I hope it won't come out in Japanese.
--doug
-- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006
I'm not sure that you'll get me in English but I have a thought or two. Run Eudora under wine. I run Forte Agent under wine, I think you might have some luck with Eudora. If you are having time problems, then you need to set up your system for ntp. Search the archives for NTP, try March, IIRC the subject came up then.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-05-01 at 22:05 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I need some guru to tell me what's going on, and how to fix it. I suppose I could reinstall SuSE, and go thru all the customizing things again, but I really don't want to. And who knows if it would even solve the problem?
Then you probably need to start a new thread, because most of the gurus will probably be ignoring this OT one by now. I would look at the language setup in kde or gnome (which ever you use) and of the mail program you use.
and then the screen blacked out. Is the screen saver supposed to be consistent, or is it supposed to be different every time? (As I futz with it, I guess it _is_ supposed to be different.)
It is supposed to be what you tell it to be. You have selected "random" screensaver.
I have mentioned elsewhere, that one cannot rely on the date that that computer thinks is "today." It can be off by years either way. This evening, after the shutdown and reboot, it still knows the date and time, however.
And to that, I already advised what to do, many times in this list and elsewhere, and I told you to search for it. For example: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2006-Mar/3273.html Subject: Re: [SLE] time is running far too fast (2 yrs ahead in 1 week) X-Message-Number-for-archive: 266392 - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVyREtTMYHG2NR9URAoweAJ9KjP3C5SomQWNsUBxPmaW/vwrUMACeMNQp lzw56yzLczqUE+CHBi0NjXc= =wLtG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Monday 01 May 2006 7:04 pm, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Granted, using fractions of inches in carpentry is a PITA, but imagine how much worse when you're mixing basic units at the same time! Dual labeling doesn't give all the advantages of the metric system, it just glosses over the problem and makes politicians happy.
Yes, the problems of measurement are solvable with a little inconvenience but the problems of fitting Male Part A to Female Part B are not when A and B are measured in different systems. (Some old cars used Whitworth sizes, which are compatible neither with inches nor centimeters.) And getting back to the original issue of A4 paper versus letter-size paper, page images designed for one cannot easily be transformed into page images for the other unless you're willing either to put up with weird margins and truncations or some kind of geometric scaling that makes the fonts look funny. Paul
Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Considering that every house, every building and every shed in the US is built out of components sized on the English system, how in the world can you convert to metric? Dual inventory in stores until every building is replaced? Never happen.
Same as before, when plastic replaced copper and when copper replaced lead etc., adapters. There are already adapters with "English". Just add a few more for conversions.
Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 3:46 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote: Actually, nuts and bolts in general are the most obvious manifestation of
On Monday, May 01, 2006 @ 5:50 PM, Lew Wolfgang wrote: the
problem. You can get around some incompatibilities by having two sets of
wrenches, but that doesn't help if you need to attach a metric nut to an English bolt.
Actually, the problem is all-pervasive. For example, I'm working on a bedroom/bathroom renovation that required my visiting the local hardware store (Home Depot) for some parts. I purchased some ABS plastic pipe fittings (3 and 1.5 inches), some plywood (5/8-inches thick) and some sheetrock (wallboard) (4 x 8 feet x 1/2-inch). All of these various parts had to match existing structure, including the sheetrock which goes on studs spaced every 16-inches.
Considering that every house, every building and every shed in the US is built out of components sized on the English system, how in the world can you convert to metric? Dual inventory in stores until every building is replaced? Never happen.
Regards, Lew Wolfgang
The sizes wouldn't change, they'd just be expressed in metric units. In some cases, the equivalent English size would be displayed also, for some period of time. Greg Wallace
On Mon, 1 May 2006, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 3:46 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote: Actually, nuts and bolts in general are the most obvious manifestation of the problem. You can get around some incompatibilities by having two sets of wrenches, but that doesn't help if you need to attach a metric nut to an English bolt.
Actually, the problem is all-pervasive. For example, I'm working on a bedroom/bathroom renovation that required my visiting the local hardware store (Home Depot) for some parts. I purchased some ABS plastic pipe fittings (3 and 1.5 inches), some plywood (5/8-inches thick) and some sheetrock (wallboard) (4 x 8 feet x 1/2-inch). All of these various parts had to match existing structure, including the sheetrock which goes on studs spaced every 16-inches.
Considering that every house, every building and every shed in the US is built out of components sized on the English system, how in the world can you convert to metric? Dual inventory in stores until every building is replaced? Never happen.
Sorry can't resist, I told you Australians were superior, We managed it 30 years ago. The longer you wait the harder it is to catch up. -- Regards, | Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth | IT & Internet Chairman Ipswich, Australia | http://www.lionsq3.asn.au -------------------------------------------------
On Monday 01 May 2006 07:50 pm, Rob Unsworth wrote:
Considering that every house, every building and every shed in the US is built out of components sized on the English system, how in the world can you convert to metric? Dual inventory in stores until every building is replaced? Never happen.
Sounds like the typical Gnome <> KDE argument. :)
Sorry can't resist,
I told you Australians were superior, We managed it 30 years ago. The longer you wait the harder it is to catch up.
I'm sure that was just a plot to confuse the rabbits so they would stop multiplying, eh? :) -- k
On Mon, 1 May 2006, kai wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 07:50 pm, Rob Unsworth wrote:
Considering that every house, every building and every shed in the US is built out of components sized on the English system, how in the world can you convert to metric? Dual inventory in stores until every building is replaced? Never happen.
Sounds like the typical Gnome <> KDE argument. :)
Sorry can't resist,
I told you Australians were superior, We managed it 30 years ago. The longer you wait the harder it is to catch up.
I'm sure that was just a plot to confuse the rabbits so they would stop multiplying, eh? :)
Good plot, execution failed. -- Regards, | Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth | IT & Internet Chairman Ipswich, Australia | http://www.lionsq3.asn.au -------------------------------------------------
On Monday 01 May 2006 23:49, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 3:46 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote: Actually, nuts and bolts in general are the most obvious manifestation of the problem. You can get around some incompatibilities by having two sets of wrenches, but that doesn't help if you need to attach a metric nut to an English bolt.
Actually, the problem is all-pervasive. For example, I'm working on a bedroom/bathroom renovation that required my visiting the local hardware store (Home Depot) for some parts. I purchased some ABS plastic pipe fittings (3 and 1.5 inches), some plywood (5/8-inches thick) and some
sheetrock (wallboard) (4 x 8 feet x What i would like to know is where the dickens this name came from sheetrock what do you do get a hack saw with a 12 foot blade and cut some rock from the Quarry into sheets ..?..
BTW plasterboard 2 sheets of heavy cardboard with a mixture of Gypsum and other compounds fillint the gap between the sheets of Cardboard 16 inches is the normal spacing if you look at most decent tape rules you will also see the metric size marked on it as well the little black dots every 400 mm if memory serves you mean of course 12mm not 1/2 inch easy to solve thats why you Skim a wall like that with fine plaster 1 to give a nice smooth finish 2 make up for slight diffeerances in thickness ect holes where some clutz has smashed the nail in to hard ect ect ect
1/2-inch). All of these various parts had to match existing structure, including the sheetrock which goes on studs spaced every 16-inches
not going on but just a particular gripe of mine these walls peopl put up expecting not to plaster them it's a cowboy way of doing things IMHO YMMV Pete . -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM
Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 23:49, Lew Wolfgang wrote: < snip >
sheetrock (wallboard) (4 x 8 feet x
What i would like to know is where the dickens this name came from sheetrock what do you do get a hack saw with a 12 foot blade and cut some rock from the Quarry into sheets ..?..
I think "Sheetrock" may be a trade name for a gypsum-board product.
16 inches is the normal spacing if you look at most decent tape rules you will also see the metric size marked on it as well the little black dots every 400 mm if memory serves
Dual-marked measuring devices are not the problem. The issue is manufacturing the various construction materials to metric sizes. If you just relabel existing English sizes you loose many of the metric advantages, if you make the materials to true metric dimensions you loose compatibility with existing structures. Take the wallboard example: the sheets are 4 x 8 feet in length and width. The 16-inch stud placement means that the edges of the wallboard will align with the studs for nailing/screwing. Also, floor-to-ceiling spacing is 8-feet, constraining that dimension too. So, the whole structure would have to be designed/built to metric dimensions to take advantage of mm/cm/m. This is what won't happen in my, or anyone else's, lifetime.
you mean of course 12mm not 1/2 inch easy to solve thats why you Skim a wall like that with fine plaster 1 to give a nice smooth finish 2 make up for slight diffeerances in thickness ect holes where some clutz has smashed the nail in to hard ect ect ect
I'm replacing single sheets of wallboard in an existing structure. I don't want to have to replace everything. Also, building codes require a minimum thickness for fire safety, so you couldn't legally use a thinner board and skim it up to level. You'd have to replace all the wallboard, which won't happen just to use true metric sized Sheetrock.
1/2-inch). All of these various parts had to match existing structure, including the sheetrock which goes on studs spaced every 16-inches
not going on but just a particular gripe of mine these walls peopl put up expecting not to plaster them it's a cowboy way of doing things IMHO YMMV
Well, it's also a cheaper way of doing things. Plastering in all but custom homes probably went away in the 1970's in the US (correct me if I'm wrong!). Would you spend perhaps $20,000 or more for true plastered walls in your house? Regards, Lew Wolfgang
On 02/05/06, Lew Wolfgang
Well, it's also a cheaper way of doing things. Plastering in all but custom homes probably went away in the 1970's in the US (correct me if I'm wrong!). Would you spend perhaps $20,000 or more for true plastered walls in your house?
Regards, Lew Wolfgang
Yes, it's quite normal here in the UK. I'm surprised that it has been phased out in the US. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
At 07:11 PM 5/2/2006 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
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On 02/05/06, Lew Wolfgang
wrote: Well, it's also a cheaper way of doing things. Plastering in all but custom homes probably went away in the 1970's in the US (correct me if I'm wrong!). Would you spend perhaps $20,000 or more for true plastered walls in your house?
Regards, Lew Wolfgang
Yes, it's quite normal here in the UK. I'm surprised that it has been phased out in the US.>
I think what the writer was referring to was not spackling between the joints of the plasterboard. No, real plaster on thin wooden boards (lath) probably has not been done in the US since the 40's. What plasterboard requires is spackle and tape at the joints. I can't imagine not doing that. --dm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/328 - Release Date: 5/1/2006
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 00:43, Doug McGarrett wrote:
At 07:11 PM 5/2/2006 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
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On 02/05/06, Lew Wolfgang
wrote: Well, it's also a cheaper way of doing things. Plastering in all but custom homes probably went away in the 1970's in the US (correct me if I'm wrong!). Would you spend perhaps $20,000 or more for true plastered walls in your house?
Regards, Lew Wolfgang
Yes, it's quite normal here in the UK. I'm surprised that it has been phased out in the US.>
I think what the writer was referring to was not spackling between the joints of the plasterboard. No, real plaster on thin wooden boards (lath) probably has not been done in the US since the 40's. What plasterboard requires is spackle and tape at the joints. I can't imagine not doing that.
--dm
Dont you mean Taped and Skimmed .. :-) ... All plasterboard needs skimming before decorating else when you strip the decoration of your choice off it damages the board then you need new boards .. Sorta makes sense to skim the palsterboards before you do any decorating saves a few quid/dollars in the long run as well .. Pete . -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 00:43, Doug McGarrett wrote:
At 07:11 PM 5/2/2006 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
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On 02/05/06, Lew Wolfgang
wrote: Well, it's also a cheaper way of doing things. Plastering in all but custom homes probably went away in the 1970's in the US (correct me if I'm wrong!). Would you spend perhaps $20,000 or more for true plastered walls in your house?
Regards, Lew Wolfgang
Yes, it's quite normal here in the UK. I'm surprised that it has been phased out in the US.>
I think what the writer was referring to was not spackling between the joints of the plasterboard. No, real plaster on thin wooden boards (lath) probably has not been done in the US since the 40's. What plasterboard requires is spackle and tape at the joints. I can't imagine not doing that.
--dm
Dont you mean Taped and Skimmed .. :-) ...
All plasterboard needs skimming before decorating else when you strip the decoration of your choice off it damages the board then you need new boards ..
Sorta makes sense to skim the palsterboards before you do any decorating saves a few quid/dollars in the long run as well ..
Yes, I know I'm shouting, but can you all please stop this chattering nonse. If you want to continue you should move to suse-ot as you are supposed to do. THIS is a mail-list about SuSE. Thank you. -- Jan Elders Nuenen the Netherlands
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:09, jrme@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, I know I'm shouting, but can you all please stop this chattering nonse. If you want to continue you should move to suse-ot as you are supposed to do. THIS is a mail-list about SuSE. Thank you.
-- Jan Elders
Agreed! Get this garbage to the OT list as it should have been after the second e-mail!
On 04/05/06, JB
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:09, jrme@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, I know I'm shouting, but can you all please stop this chattering nonse. If you want to continue you should move to suse-ot as you are supposed to do. THIS is a mail-list about SuSE. Thank you.
-- Jan Elders
Agreed! Get this garbage to the OT list as it should have been after the second e-mail!
I believe it has been done together with apologies offered by myself at least :-) for continuing it. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 09:28 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
On 04/05/06, JB
wrote: On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:09, jrme@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, I know I'm shouting, but can you all please stop this chattering nonse. If you want to continue you should move to suse-ot as you are supposed to do. THIS is a mail-list about SuSE. Thank you.
-- Jan Elders
Agreed! Get this garbage to the OT list as it should have been after the second e-mail!
I believe it has been done together with apologies offered by myself at least :-) for continuing it. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid.
Kevan Farmer
Linux user #373362
Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
Grownups have learnt: 1. to ignore such nuisances without value judgements ... 2. that on the other hand, someone may enjoy them ... 3. to just delete them from the mailbox with a filter ... 4. that censure by moving to OT won't prevent them returning ... 4. that ethical behaviour can't be legislated successfully ... 5. not to feed trolls ... 6. if it returns again, goto 1. ... ;-) Al
On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 14:12 +0200, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote:
On Thu, 2006-05-04 at 09:28 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
On 04/05/06, JB
wrote: On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:09, jrme@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, I know I'm shouting, but can you all please stop this chattering nonse. If you want to continue you should move to suse-ot as you are supposed to do. THIS is a mail-list about SuSE. Thank you.
-- Jan Elders
Agreed! Get this garbage to the OT list as it should have been after the second e-mail!
I believe it has been done together with apologies offered by myself at least :-) for continuing it. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid.
Kevan Farmer
Linux user #373362
Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
Grownups have learnt: 1. to ignore such nuisances without value judgements ... 2. that on the other hand, someone may enjoy them ... 3. to just delete them from the mailbox with a filter ... 4. that censure by moving to OT won't prevent them returning ... 4. that ethical behaviour can't be legislated successfully ... 5. not to feed trolls ... 6. if it returns again, goto 1. ...
;-)
Al
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Yes Sir contrôler- you're welcome Sir, I can hear you loud and clear Sir - Sorry for being alive Sir - Don't tell the gendarmerie please, Sir maintenir la sécurité - ;-/
On Thursday 04 May 2006 10:37, LLLActive@GMX.Net wrote: Nothing worth reading, but enough to plonk the idiot.
On Thursday 04 May 2006 00:52, JB wrote:
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:09, jrme@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, I know I'm shouting, but can you all please stop this chattering nonse. If you want to continue you should move to suse-ot as you are supposed to do. THIS is a mail-list about SuSE. Thank you.
-- Jan Elders
Agreed! Get this garbage to the OT list as it should have been after the second e-mail!
If you do not want to continue taking a thread then just ignore the thread dead simple in a decent mail system one click in Kmail and thread is no longer taken but everything else is .. Pete . -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM
On Thursday 04 May 2006 18:02, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 04 May 2006 00:52, JB wrote:
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:09, jrme@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, I know I'm shouting, but can you all please stop this chattering nonse. If you want to continue you should move to suse-ot as you are supposed to do. THIS is a mail-list about SuSE. Thank you.
-- Jan Elders
Agreed! Get this garbage to the OT list as it should have been after the second e-mail!
If you do not want to continue taking a thread then just ignore the thread dead simple in a decent mail system one click in Kmail and thread is no longer taken but everything else is ..
Even more dead simple than making one who's wanting to read things 'SuSE' on the 'SuSE' list instead of the OT garbage, is for those who want to discuss OT matters to PUT THEM ON THE OT LIST.
On Friday 05 May 2006 00:28, JB wrote:
On Thursday 04 May 2006 18:02, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 04 May 2006 00:52, JB wrote:
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:09, jrme@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, I know I'm shouting, but can you all please stop this chattering nonse. If you want to continue you should move to suse-ot as you are supposed to do. THIS is a mail-list about SuSE. Thank you.
-- Jan Elders
Agreed! Get this garbage to the OT list as it should have been after the second e-mail!
If you do not want to continue taking a thread then just ignore the thread dead simple in a decent mail system one click in Kmail and thread is no longer taken but everything else is ..
Even more dead simple than making one who's wanting to read things 'SuSE' on the 'SuSE' list instead of the OT garbage, is for those who want to discuss OT matters to PUT THEM ON THE OT LIST.
Get A Lifr will ya . -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM
On Friday 05 May 2006 02:40, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Friday 05 May 2006 00:28, JB wrote:
On Thursday 04 May 2006 18:02, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 04 May 2006 00:52, JB wrote:
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:09, jrme@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, I know I'm shouting, but can you all please stop this chattering nonse. If you want to continue you should move to suse-ot as you are supposed to do. THIS is a mail-list about SuSE. Thank you.
-- Jan Elders
Agreed! Get this garbage to the OT list as it should have been after the second e-mail!
If you do not want to continue taking a thread then just ignore the thread dead simple in a decent mail system one click in Kmail and thread is no longer taken but everything else is ..
Even more dead simple than making one who's wanting to read things 'SuSE' on the 'SuSE' list instead of the OT garbage, is for those who want to discuss OT matters to PUT THEM ON THE OT LIST.
Get A Lifr will ya .
FOAD will ya.
On Friday 05 May 2006 09:40, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Friday 05 May 2006 00:28, JB wrote:
On Thursday 04 May 2006 18:02, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 04 May 2006 00:52, JB wrote:
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 03:09, jrme@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, I know I'm shouting, but can you all please stop this chattering nonse. If you want to continue you should move to suse-ot as you are supposed to do. THIS is a mail-list about SuSE. Thank you.
-- Jan Elders
Agreed! Get this garbage to the OT list as it should have been after the second e-mail!
If you do not want to continue taking a thread then just ignore the thread dead simple in a decent mail system one click in Kmail and thread is no longer taken but everything else is ..
Even more dead simple than making one who's wanting to read things 'SuSE' on the 'SuSE' list instead of the OT garbage, is for those who want to discuss OT matters to PUT THEM ON THE OT LIST.
Get A Lifr will ya .
Hey folks (e.g. Peter), Ever heard of "network etiquette" ? (or did todays community put that in the garbage bin ?) -- Jan Elders the Netherlands http://www.xs4all.nl/~jrme/ "Home of the Network Acronyms"
On 03/05/06, Peter Nikolic
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 00:43, Doug McGarrett wrote:
At 07:11 PM 5/2/2006 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:
Content-Disposition: inline
On 02/05/06, Lew Wolfgang
wrote: Well, it's also a cheaper way of doing things. Plastering in all but custom homes probably went away in the 1970's in the US (correct me if I'm wrong!). Would you spend perhaps $20,000 or more for true plastered walls in your house?
Regards, Lew Wolfgang
Yes, it's quite normal here in the UK. I'm surprised that it has been phased out in the US.>
I think what the writer was referring to was not spackling between the joints of the plasterboard. No, real plaster on thin wooden boards (lath) probably has not been done in the US since the 40's. What plasterboard requires is spackle and tape at the joints. I can't imagine not doing that.
--dm
Dont you mean Taped and Skimmed .. :-) ...
All plasterboard needs skimming before decorating else when you strip the decoration of your choice off it damages the board then you need new boards ..
Sorta makes sense to skim the palsterboards before you do any decorating saves a few quid/dollars in the long run as well ..
Pete .
That sounds right to me. We've not done plaster and lath in the UK for decades either. However, I actually live in a house with the majority of the ceilings done in plaster and lath. It's old and is slowly being replaced by board. The old method does still have to be done in some listed buildings though. You'll generally find that there are two main types of plaster, a base coat and and top coat. The top coat only meant to be put on as a thin skim. Maybe it would be best to now drop this one? It isn't anything to do with SuSE after all. With apologies to everybody for taking the original subject so off topic. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-05-02 at 10:30 -0700, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Dual-marked measuring devices are not the problem. The issue is manufacturing the various construction materials to metric sizes.
It can be considered as a temporary step, even if it takes some generations to get to be really metric. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEV/ZutTMYHG2NR9URAumaAJkBXEY44HrjcYNZshL+ad36h30a4QCcCOeq 4a9zkCDEQVEWEpfVjKqLkKs= =B/KT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Monday 01 May 2006 6:35 pm, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 3:46 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Actually, nuts and bolts in general are the most obvious manifestation of the problem. You can get around some incompatibilities by having two sets of wrenches, but that doesn't help if you need to attach a metric nut to an English bolt.
that's why they make vice grips and pneumatic wrenches :) -- Open Source Weekend http://www.osw.ca
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-05-01 at 20:06 -0400, Mike wrote:
Actually, nuts and bolts in general are the most obvious manifestation of the problem. You can get around some incompatibilities by having two sets of wrenches, but that doesn't help if you need to attach a metric nut to an English bolt.
that's why they make vice grips and pneumatic wrenches :)
X'-) I hope you don't do that to your car plugs :-P - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVyVptTMYHG2NR9URAgOMAJ985uVEZ+UsUgm49uZIJ6YTDRKdhwCfXrR4 maKYwGW5kgdAPaAqfUhLjNw= =c6MJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Paul W. Abrahams wrote: \>
Like changing from driving on the left to driving on the right, as they did in Sweden a while back? A few cities at a time, perhaps?
Actually, nuts and bolts in general are the most obvious manifestation of the problem. You can get around some incompatibilities by having two sets of wrenches, but that doesn't help if you need to attach a metric nut to an English bolt.
All you need for that, is a bigger wrench. ;-)
Sunnudaginn þann 30 apríl 2006 18:17 skrifaði Paul W. Abrahams:
I just changed the oil in my Toyota. The fitting on the plug takes a 3/16" wrench. Should I buy a new car in order to be able to use my metric wrenches to change the oil?
I had the same problem with my SAAB, and it's supposed to be a swedish car. Fact of the matter is, that the US and GB are the leading nations in the world. All manufacturers in almost any field, take a frenchsize from them. Of course we can say "they got it as spoil from German", but that's irrelevant. While we are wobbling over that the Americans rule the world, we here in Europe are advancing "retards" and kicking intelligent people in the groin. That's why intelligent people have been fleeing Europe to the states or other places for decades (Except for the past 6 years of the Great Nero of America). Learn to live with it.
into electronic streams flowing thru the cosmos On Saturday 29 April 2006 9:42 pm, Orn E. Hansen wrote:
Laugardaginn þann 29 apríl 2006 17:17 skrifaði suse_gasjr4wd@mac.com:
It's the office supply companies and general public and such that still call 14" legal.
Well, obviously, since A4 or 14" papers aren't legal ... how on earth do we ever expect Americans to adopt our systems. We can't expect them to accept our non-legal ways, can we.
I find the topic, half humorous ... half silly. Unlike dogs, we "humans" or at least the definition of human, states we are not limited to a mere subset of communication skills, or commando interpretation capability. Which means, we shouldn't have problem with being able to handle both and tell the difference.
Yes, but you are assuming that ppl pay ATTENTION and actually do something besides click on the next button in the printer setup, or even in the gui printer window that pops up when you click the print button or word in a program. ;-) -- j "There's a woman goin' crazy on Caroline Street Stoppin' every man that she does meet Sayin' if you'll be gentle if you'll be sweet I'll show you my place on Caroline Street" Song lyric
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 09:41 -0500, Jim Flanagan wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: <snip>
Spell checkers, thats funny! Don't forget we in the US also have Legal size paper (8.5x14, as in inches). This for our lawyers, or more specifically, what the courts require.
Jim F
This was actually changed some time ago with the paper reduction act. Why it is not followed I don't know. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
* Basil Chupin
(As I typed this, the damn spell-checker in this Firefox picked up my faulty spelling of "civilised" which it wants to turn into an abomination by spelling it "civilized". Sigh.)
BUT... Firefox is undoubtedly using the spell-checker installed on your system, aspell and/or ispell, which both change civilised to 'z' on my system. And both allow you to 'personalize' the dictionary or use other dictionaries. note: aluminium is suggested to be aluminum and catalogue is *not* found -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin
[04-29-06 09:39]: (As I typed this, the damn spell-checker in this Firefox picked up my faulty spelling of "civilised" which it wants to turn into an abomination by spelling it "civilized". Sigh.)
BUT... Firefox is undoubtedly using the spell-checker installed on your system, aspell and/or ispell, which both change civilised to 'z' on my system. And both allow you to 'personalize' the dictionary or use other dictionaries.
note: aluminium is suggested to be aluminum and catalogue is *not* found
Many thanks Pat for reminding me about the availability of various dictionaries for Thunderbird. How easy it is to forget what options are available when one has used an application for years and becomes (too) used to it :-). I have just installed the British and the Australian dictionaries and now don't get the rubbish about misspelling words when correctly using "-ise" rather than "-ize". BTW, if you want to have a laugh or two go to http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushjoke.htm and read the Open Letter to America written, as claimed, by John Cleese. It's on the Home page and is called, Britain Revokes America's Independence. Cheers. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.
* Basil Chupin
BTW, if you want to have a laugh or two go to
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushjoke.htm
and read the Open Letter to America written, as claimed, by John Cleese. It's on the Home page and is called, Britain Revokes America's Independence.
Yes, guess I'm in the minority :^). I believe I read this when it was originally posted, probably thanks to Fred Miller's notice. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin
[04-30-06 02:01]: BTW, if you want to have a laugh or two go to
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushjoke.htm
and read the Open Letter to America written, as claimed, by John Cleese. It's on the Home page and is called, Britain Revokes America's Independence.
Yes, guess I'm in the minority :^). I believe I read this when it was originally posted, probably thanks to Fred Miller's notice.
It's old, and it's not John Cleese http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/revocation.asp
Þann Sunnudaguren den 30 apríl 2006 14:57 skrifaði Anders Johansson:
It's old, and it's not John Cleese
Well, one thing can be said ... is that the British sense of humor is world famous. They always hit the heart of the matter, with elegance. Americans should've just enjoyed a good laugh, and not made further "mockery" of themselves by responding in such a verbally inferior manner. :) The language, like the one used in the English document (Oxford english) is a language that gives the document "authority". "thumbs up".
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 07:15 +0200, Orn E. Hansen wrote:
Þann Sunnudaguren den 30 apríl 2006 14:57 skrifaði Anders Johansson:
It's old, and it's not John Cleese
Well, one thing can be said ... is that the British sense of humor is world famous. They always hit the heart of the matter, with elegance. Americans should've just enjoyed a good laugh, and not made further "mockery" of themselves by responding in such a verbally inferior manner. :)
The language, like the one used in the English document (Oxford english) is a language that gives the document "authority".
"thumbs up".
isn't that being redundant, Oxford English? ;)
On Saturday 29 April 2006 15:38, Basil Chupin wrote:
(As I typed this, the damn spell-checker in this Firefox picked up my faulty spelling of "civilised" which it wants to turn into an abomination by spelling it "civilized". Sigh.)
You must have cast the wrong spell then
On Saturday 29 April 2006 07:59, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by al4321@gmail.com:
Please get the attributions correct, it was me who wrote this:
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
What standards ? Like mile & feet to meters & kilometers ?
And gallon vs liter, lbs vs kilo etc.
Dammit! The cubit was good enough for Noah... ;-)
Ken Jennings wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 07:59, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Sat, 29 Apr 2006, by al4321@gmail.com:
Please get the attributions correct, it was me who wrote this:
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues. What standards ? Like mile & feet to meters & kilometers ? And gallon vs liter, lbs vs kilo etc.
Dammit! The cubit was good enough for Noah... ;-)
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 13:51 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
What standards ? Like mile & feet to meters & kilometers ?
Not to mention Gallons, Imperial and American. Even then the standard isn't standard.
On Saturday April 29 2006 18:07, Mike McMullin wrote:
佮⁓慴Ⱐ㈰〶ⴰ㐭㈹琠ㄳ㨵ㄠ⬰㈰〬⁁汥硥礠䕲敭敮歯⁷牯瑥㨊㸠㸠乯琠瑯敮瑩潮汬⁴桥湧楮敥牳渠瑨攠㈱瑨敮瑵特⁷桯慶攠瑯ਾ‾慶攠瑯敶敲琠瑯‱ 㡴栠捥湴畲礠浥慳畲敭敮琠≳瑡湤慲摳∠睨敮⁴桥礠瑲礊㸠㸠瑯灥慫⁷楴栠瑨敩爠啓潬汥杵敳⸊㸠ਾ⁗桡琠獴慮摡牤猠㼊㸠䱩步楬攠☠晥整⁴漠浥瑥牳…楬潭整敲猠 㼊ਠ⁎潴⁴漠浥湴楯渠䝡汬潮猬⁉浰敲楡氠慮搠䅭敲楣慮⸠⁅癥渠瑨敮⁴桥瑡湤慲搊楳渧琠獴慮摡牤⸊ਊⴭ 䍨散欠瑨攠桥慤敲猠景爠祯畲⁵湳畢獣物灴楯渠慤摲敳猊䙯爠 慤摩瑩潮慬潭浡湤猠獥湤慩氠瑯畳攭汩湵砭攭桥汰䁳畳攮捯洊䅬獯桥捫⁴桥牣桩癥猠慴瑴瀺⼯汩獴献獵獥潭汥慳攠牥慤⁴桥⁆䅑猺畳攭汩湵砭攭晡煀獵 獥潭ਊ Is anyone else getting this message in what appears to be Japanese? One of the other contributors to the list seems to have the same problem, or is it me?
--doug
On Saturday 29 April 2006 12:16, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Is anyone else getting this message in what appears to be Japanese? One of the other contributors to the list seems to have the same problem, or is it me?
Your email is in reference to <1146348472.11541.0.camel@P-733.mwmcmlln> which I received in plain ASCII. all it said was: On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 13:51 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
What standards ? Like mile & feet to meters & kilometers ?
Not to mention Gallons, Imperial and American. Even then the standard isn't standard. <end quote> the content type was text/plain and the encoding was 7-bit ASCII, so I can't even begin to imagine why your email client would think it was chinese
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 06:16 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Saturday April 29 2006 18:07, Mike McMullin wrote:
佮⁓慴Ⱐ㈰〶ⴰ㐭㈹琠ㄳ㨵ㄠ⬰㈰〬⁁汥硥礠䕲敭敮歯⁷牯瑥㨊㸠㸠乯琠瑯敮瑩潮汬⁴桥湧楮敥牳渠瑨攠㈱瑨敮瑵特⁷桯慶攠瑯ਾ‾慶攠瑯敶敲琠瑯‱ 㡴栠捥湴畲礠浥慳畲敭敮琠≳瑡湤慲摳∠睨敮⁴桥礠瑲礊㸠㸠瑯灥慫⁷楴栠瑨敩爠啓潬汥杵敳⸊㸠ਾ⁗桡琠獴慮摡牤猠㼊㸠䱩步楬攠☠晥整⁴漠浥瑥牳…楬潭整敲猠 㼊ਠ⁎潴⁴漠浥湴楯渠䝡汬潮猬⁉浰敲楡氠慮搠䅭敲楣慮⸠⁅癥渠瑨敮⁴桥瑡湤慲搊楳渧琠獴慮摡牤⸊ਊⴭ 䍨散欠瑨攠桥慤敲猠景爠祯畲⁵湳畢獣物灴楯渠慤摲敳猊䙯爠 慤摩瑩潮慬潭浡湤猠獥湤慩氠瑯畳攭汩湵砭攭桥汰䁳畳攮捯洊䅬獯桥捫⁴桥牣桩癥猠慴瑴瀺⼯汩獴献獵獥潭汥慳攠牥慤⁴桥⁆䅑猺畳攭汩湵砭攭晡煀獵 獥潭ਊ Is anyone else getting this message in what appears to be Japanese? One of the other contributors to the list seems to have the same problem, or is it me?
Given that I was working till 5:00 p.m. to day and didn't send this until after I was done work, the time is out of whack somewhere. BTW, I got that back in Plain Canadian as I sent it out. ;) Mike
On Saturday 29 April 2006 18:40, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 06:16 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Saturday April 29 2006 18:07, Mike McMullin wrote:
佮⁓慴Ⱐ㈰〶ⴰ㐭㈹琠ㄳ㨵ㄠ⬰㈰〬⁁汥硥礠䕲敭敮歯⁷牯瑥㨊㸠㸠乯琠瑯敮瑩潮汬⁴桥湧楮敥牳渠瑨攠㈱瑨敮瑵特⁷桯慶攠瑯ਾ‾慶攠 瑯敶敲琠瑯‱ 㡴栠捥湴畲礠浥慳畲敭敮琠≳瑡湤慲摳∠睨敮⁴桥礠瑲礊㸠㸠瑯灥慫⁷楴栠瑨敩爠啓潬汥杵敳⸊㸠ਾ⁗桡琠獴慮摡牤猠㼊㸠䱩步楬攠☠晥整⁴漠浥瑥 牳…楬潭整敲猠 㼊ਠ⁎潴⁴漠浥湴楯渠䝡汬潮猬⁉浰敲楡氠慮搠䅭敲楣慮⸠⁅癥渠瑨敮⁴桥瑡湤慲搊楳渧琠獴慮摡牤⸊ਊⴭ 䍨散欠瑨攠桥慤敲猠景爠祯畲⁵湳畢獣物灴 楯渠慤摲敳猊䙯爠 慤摩瑩潮慬潭浡湤猠獥湤慩氠瑯畳攭汩湵砭攭桥汰䁳畳攮捯洊䅬獯桥捫⁴桥牣桩癥猠慴瑴瀺⼯汩獴献獵獥潭汥慳攠牥慤⁴桥⁆䅑猺畳 攭汩湵砭攭晡煀獵 獥潭ਊ
Is anyone else getting this message in what appears to be Japanese? One of the other contributors to the list seems to have the same problem, or is it me?
Given that I was working till 5:00 p.m. to day and didn't send this until after I was done work, the time is out of whack somewhere. BTW, I got that back in Plain Canadian as I sent it out. ;)
Mike
Well, every time this message (or a quoted copy) comes through my mailbox, the English is:
On Saturday April 29 2006 18:07, Mike McMullin wrote: and Is anyone else getting this message in what appears to
but everything in between those two lines is in some oriental character set (that I hesitate to ascribe to a particular country). I'm using SUSE 10.0, KDE 3.5.2-level "a", and KMail 1.9.1. Kevin
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 12:15 -0400, elefino wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 18:40, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 06:16 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Saturday April 29 2006 18:07, Mike McMullin wrote:
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Is anyone else getting this message in what appears to be Japanese? One of the other contributors to the list seems to have the same problem, or is it me?
Given that I was working till 5:00 p.m. to day and didn't send this until after I was done work, the time is out of whack somewhere. BTW, I got that back in Plain Canadian as I sent it out. ;)
Mike
Well, every time this message (or a quoted copy) comes through my mailbox, the English is:
On Saturday April 29 2006 18:07, Mike McMullin wrote: and Is anyone else getting this message in what appears to
but everything in between those two lines is in some oriental character set (that I hesitate to ascribe to a particular country).
I'm using SUSE 10.0, KDE 3.5.2-level "a", and KMail 1.9.1.
I think he had or has a problem. With the exception of the OP everyone else is getting me in plain Canadian, just like you have. I don't think that we can simply correct his original char. set. Mike -- KDE 3.5.2b and Evolution
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2006-04-30 at 16:14 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
I think he had or has a problem. With the exception of the OP everyone else is getting me in plain Canadian, just like you have. I don't think that we can simply correct his original char. set.
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think your charset is correct. I see your email fine under Pine although mine is set up with ISO-8859-1. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVTCqtTMYHG2NR9URAmbSAJ948Nt66hDzc/+i7ly/ep/tRPITKwCfbLBW 4U1u4OJ+zEsO4+StuxPb2kc= =rRM7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Saturday 29 April 2006 03:16 am, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Saturday April 29 2006 18:07, Mike McMullin wrote:
佮⁓慴Ⱐ㈰〶ⴰ㐭㈹琠ㄳ㨵ㄠ⬰㈰〬⁁汥硥礠䕲敭敮歯⁷牯瑥㨊㸠㸠乯琠瑯敮瑩潮汬⁴桥湧楮敥牳渠瑨攠㈱瑨敮瑵特⁷桯慶攠瑯ਾ‾慶攠瑯敶敲琠 瑯‱ 㡴栠捥湴畲礠浥慳畲敭敮琠≳瑡湤慲摳∠睨敮⁴桥礠瑲礊㸠㸠瑯灥慫⁷楴栠瑨敩爠啓潬汥杵敳⸊㸠ਾ⁗桡琠獴慮摡牤猠㼊㸠䱩步楬攠☠晥整⁴漠浥瑥牳…楬潭 整敲猠 㼊ਠ⁎潴⁴漠浥湴楯渠䝡汬潮猬⁉浰敲楡氠慮搠䅭敲楣慮⸠⁅癥渠瑨敮⁴桥瑡湤慲搊楳渧琠獴慮摡牤⸊ਊⴭ 䍨散欠瑨攠桥慤敲猠景爠祯畲⁵湳畢獣物灴楯渠慤摲敳 猊䙯爠 慤摩瑩潮慬潭浡湤猠獥湤慩氠瑯畳攭汩湵砭攭桥汰䁳畳攮捯洊䅬獯桥捫⁴桥牣桩癥猠慴瑴瀺⼯汩獴献獵獥潭汥慳攠牥慤⁴桥⁆䅑猺畳攭汩湵砭攭 晡煀獵 獥潭ਊ
Is anyone else getting this message in what appears to be Japanese? One of the other contributors to the list seems to have the same problem, or is it me?
Yes, it says, domo arigato, mr. roboto. It was written in metric, however, so we can't read it in Canada or the US. -- kai
On Sat April 29 2006 8:25 pm, kai wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 03:16 am, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Saturday April 29 2006 18:07, Mike McMullin wrote:
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Is anyone else getting this message in what appears to be Japanese? One of the other contributors to the list seems to have the same problem, or is it me?
Yes, it says, domo arigato, mr. roboto.
It was written in metric, however, so we can't read it in Canada or the US.
Actually most of it is readable. In K-Mail select: view>set encoding>japanese (shift_jis) and you'll see most of the Kanji and Katakana characters. Gil
On Saturday 29 April 2006 7:51 am, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
What standards ? Like mile & feet to meters & kilometers ?
don't forget fathoms, chains and drams When I worked in Alaska we measured the fish in metric but recorded weight in pounds, since we supplied the measuring sticks. And now they sell butter in 454g blocks, and pop in 355ml cans. Rather than adopt the metric size they just relabeled the old packaging. People complained about gas being confusing but most people I know either buy a tank full, or $20 worth.
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 20:44 -0400, Mike wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 7:51 am, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
What standards ? Like mile & feet to meters & kilometers ?
don't forget fathoms, chains and drams
When I worked in Alaska we measured the fish in metric but recorded weight in pounds, since we supplied the measuring sticks.
And now they sell butter in 454g blocks, and pop in 355ml cans. Rather than adopt the metric size they just relabeled the old packaging.
People complained about gas being confusing but most people I know either buy a tank full, or $20 worth.
Where are you buying gasoline (petrol) these days!!??? I drive a Dodge
Caravan and here in Florida it takes $40,00 worth of regular to fill up,
if I stop before the little gas pump lights up. -Tom
--
Thomas Edward Beasley Junior
Thomas Edward Beasley Junior wrote:
Where are you buying gasoline (petrol) these days!!??? I drive a Dodge Caravan and here in Florida it takes $40,00 worth of regular to fill up, if I stop before the little gas pump lights up. -Tom
I think you missed a zero. Perhaps $40,000? ;-)
On Saturday, April 29, 2006 @ 8:00 PM, James Knott wrote:
Thomas Edward Beasley Junior wrote:
Where are you buying gasoline (petrol) these days!!??? I drive a Dodge Caravan and here in Florida it takes $40,00 worth of regular to fill up, if I stop before the little gas pump lights up. -Tom
I think you missed a zero. Perhaps $40,000? ;-)
In some countries, they use commas as decimal points and vice versa. I. e., $1,000.00 = $1.000,00 Greg Wallace
Greg Wallace wrote:
On Saturday, April 29, 2006 @ 8:00 PM, James Knott wrote:
Thomas Edward Beasley Junior wrote:
Where are you buying gasoline (petrol) these days!!??? I drive a Dodge Caravan and here in Florida it takes $40,00 worth of regular to fill up, if I stop before the little gas pump lights up. -Tom
I think you missed a zero. Perhaps $40,000? ;-)
In some countries, they use commas as decimal points and vice versa. I. e., $1,000.00 = $1.000,00
I guess you missed the ";-)". I was just poking fun at the cost of filling the tank of a large vehicle, at todays gas prices. http://www.comics.com/creators/wizardofid/archive/images/wizardofid200604326...
Am Sonntag, 30. April 2006 02:58 schrieb Thomas Edward Beasley Junior:
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 20:44 -0400, Mike wrote:
People complained about gas being confusing but most people I know either buy a tank full, or $20 worth.
Where are you buying gasoline (petrol) these days!!??? I drive a Dodge Caravan and here in Florida it takes $40,00 worth of regular to fill up, if I stop before the little gas pump lights up. -Tom
:-( I haven't seen fuel that cheap since I was a kid :-( the 50L tank on my Ford Mondeo diesel costs $72, and diesel is around 13c a litre less than unleaded... -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
David Wright wrote:
Am Sonntag, 30. April 2006 02:58 schrieb Thomas Edward Beasley Junior:
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 20:44 -0400, Mike wrote:
People complained about gas being confusing but most people I know either buy a tank full, or $20 worth. Where are you buying gasoline (petrol) these days!!??? I drive a Dodge Caravan and here in Florida it takes $40,00 worth of regular to fill up, if I stop before the little gas pump lights up. -Tom
:-( I haven't seen fuel that cheap since I was a kid :-( the 50L tank on my Ford Mondeo diesel costs $72, and diesel is around 13c a litre less than unleaded...
Where do you buy your fuel? Last week, I paid the most I've ever paid for gas @ $1.05/L (CDN). It's the only time I've paid over $1. My Taurus holds 66 L.
Where do you buy your fuel? Last week, I paid the most I've ever paid for gas @ $1.05/L (CDN). It's the only time I've paid over $1. My Taurus holds 66 L.
For me, a 66L tank would cost... about $135 CND to fill. I haven't driven my car in over a month now cuz I can't afford to keep filling the tank!! And the prices just keep going up :-( C.
On Sunday 30 April 2006 13:00, Clayton wrote:
Where do you buy your fuel? Last week, I paid the most I've ever paid for gas @ $1.05/L (CDN). It's the only time I've paid over $1. My Taurus holds 66 L.
For me, a 66L tank would cost... about $135 CND to fill. I haven't driven my car in over a month now cuz I can't afford to keep filling the tank!! And the prices just keep going up :-(
C.
Dont come over here then .. It is getting darn stupid now 98.9 pence per liter for diesel now like just short of a quid a liter someone needs to do something about these fuel prices they are getting pretty much ridculess now . Pete -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM
Am Sonntag, 30. April 2006 13:30 schrieb James Knott:
David Wright wrote:
Am Sonntag, 30. April 2006 02:58 schrieb Thomas Edward Beasley Junior:
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 20:44 -0400, Mike wrote:
People complained about gas being confusing but most people I know either buy a tank full, or $20 worth.
Where are you buying gasoline (petrol) these days!!??? I drive a Dodge Caravan and here in Florida it takes $40,00 worth of regular to fill up, if I stop before the little gas pump lights up. -Tom
:-( I haven't seen fuel that cheap since I was a kid :-( the 50L tank on : my
Ford Mondeo diesel costs $72, and diesel is around 13c a litre less than unleaded...
Where do you buy your fuel? Last week, I paid the most I've ever paid for gas @ $1.05/L (CDN). It's the only time I've paid over $1. My Taurus holds 66 L.
Well it costs more than that for a litre here in Germany, at the moment my local Aral has regular diesel at €1.149 ($1.45) a litre, Ultimate Diesel is €1.229 ($1.55) and unleaded is €1.239 ($1.56) ISTR. Luckily I get around 5,3L/100 out of the Mondeo (~53mpg), which isn't bad for something of its body size (family station wagon). It drops to the mid 40's when I'm doing long motorway trips cruising over the 160km/h (100mph) mark. And Germany is cheap next to England, my brother is currently paying around $2 a litre for Petrol and a little more for Diesel. -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
Sun, 30 Apr 2006, by david.wright@wright-is.com:
Am Sonntag, 30. April 2006 13:30 schrieb James Knott:
David Wright wrote:
Am Sonntag, 30. April 2006 02:58 schrieb Thomas Edward Beasley Junior:
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 20:44 -0400, Mike wrote:
People complained about gas being confusing but most people I know either buy a tank full, or $20 worth.
Where are you buying gasoline (petrol) these days!!??? I drive a Dodge Caravan and here in Florida it takes $40,00 worth of regular to fill up, if I stop before the little gas pump lights up. -Tom
:-( I haven't seen fuel that cheap since I was a kid :-( the 50L tank on : my
Ford Mondeo diesel costs $72, and diesel is around 13c a litre less than unleaded...
Where do you buy your fuel? Last week, I paid the most I've ever paid for gas @ $1.05/L (CDN). It's the only time I've paid over $1. My Taurus holds 66 L.
Well it costs more than that for a litre here in Germany, at the moment my local Aral has regular diesel at €1.149 ($1.45) a litre, Ultimate Diesel is €1.229 ($1.55) and unleaded is €1.239 ($1.56) ISTR. Luckily I get around 5,3L/100 out of the Mondeo (~53mpg), which isn't bad for something of its body size (family station wagon). It drops to the mid 40's when I'm doing long motorway trips cruising over the 160km/h (100mph) mark.
And Germany is cheap next to England, my brother is currently paying around $2 a litre for Petrol and a little more for Diesel.
I'm always getting pretty upset when Shell's claims *our* petrol price rise because the *USA* citizens are going on holiday, or when BG sneezes, or when OBL sends another promo-video to Al Jazeera or whatever other stupid reason the stock-cowboys come up with. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 13:32 +0200, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter..
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
And that was the cause of the failure of one (two?) NASA missions to Mars: wrong unit conversions. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEU1fktTMYHG2NR9URAn0LAJ9ohDvmzN8csKDasc3y68GYf5uLowCcCFxU 0DGDEs9HDshVV4dp+BHhBIM= =3zH/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Saturday 29 April 2006 14:11, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 13:32 +0200, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter..
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
And that was the cause of the failure of one (two?) NASA missions to Mars: wrong unit conversions.
My favourite is the Canadian incident, where they ordered the amount of fuel in kilos but received it in pounds, so they went flying with half a tank
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
Which is really sad since America officially went metric in the early 1970's... 1974 if I remember right, followed a couple years later (1978) by Canada. Oh well <shrug> If I have any vote, I'd say leave all the applications SUSE provides with the A4 defaults. The US and Canada are the only countries in the world (that I know of) who still use the old non-standard papersizes... although, Canada in it's typical schizophrenic way actually uses both ISO and US paper sizes and standards (I can say that since I'm Canadian :-) ) Just as an aside, have any of you actually looked at the design of ISO paper? It's quite elegant and very mathmatical. I love the ratio of the sides of all ISO pages... the height divided by the width is always the square root of 2. There is a good writeup on the path behind ISO sized paper here: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html C.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 14:33 +0200, Clayton wrote:
If I have any vote, I'd say leave all the applications SUSE provides with the A4 defaults. The US and Canada are the only countries in the world (that I know of) who still use the old non-standard papersizes... although, Canada in it's typical schizophrenic way actually uses both ISO and US paper sizes and standards (I can say that since I'm Canadian :-) )
X'-) I remember once years ago I tried to photocopy some papers of mine in Ottawa and they would not fit... letter size is a bit smaller than A4. The shop didn't even know what A4 was. It's time to change... in Spain we also had our own paper sizes not twenty years ago. And by 1900 or roundaabouts we had so many different units of measurement that going metric was a blessing.
Just as an aside, have any of you actually looked at the design of ISO paper? It's quite elegant and very mathmatical. I love the ratio of the sides of all ISO pages... the height divided by the width is always the square root of 2.
I had to study that when I went to college, part of the technical drawing course. The reason of that ratio is simple: two A4 joined by the long side make an A3 exactly, and the same holds for all sizes. Also, if you "zoom" sizes in a copier, sizes and ratios match. Add to that that the standarized line thicknes in the drwaings so that they go from one standard size to the next when you zoom. Clever. I most be bored to ramble so... X-) - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEU3Z5tTMYHG2NR9URAtRJAJ9PXYjjGonG01Sk3+b+cxKynvEe6gCglTjx M5+ueVMG0sgCwZsVokQCroM= =cHH2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 29/04/06, Carlos E. R.
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The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 14:33 +0200, Clayton wrote:
If I have any vote, I'd say leave all the applications SUSE provides with the A4 defaults. The US and Canada are the only countries in the world (that I know of) who still use the old non-standard papersizes... although, Canada in it's typical schizophrenic way actually uses both ISO and US paper sizes and standards (I can say that since I'm Canadian :-) )
X'-)
I remember once years ago I tried to photocopy some papers of mine in Ottawa and they would not fit... letter size is a bit smaller than A4. The shop didn't even know what A4 was.
It's time to change... in Spain we also had our own paper sizes not twenty years ago. And by 1900 or roundaabouts we had so many different units of measurement that going metric was a blessing.
Just as an aside, have any of you actually looked at the design of ISO paper? It's quite elegant and very mathmatical. I love the ratio of the sides of all ISO pages... the height divided by the width is always the square root of 2.
I had to study that when I went to college, part of the technical drawing course. The reason of that ratio is simple: two A4 joined by the long side make an A3 exactly, and the same holds for all sizes. Also, if you "zoom" sizes in a copier, sizes and ratios match. Add to that that the standarized line thicknes in the drwaings so that they go from one standard size to the next when you zoom. Clever.
I most be bored to ramble so... X-)
- -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
I was taught both Imperial and Metric when I went to school - back in the late 1960's and early to mid 1970's. Because of that I get confused over both sets of measurements :-) I had to order some wood the other day - it sort of relevant in a roundabout way as it was wood for a new shed so that I can clear my workshop out to install a new SuSE server. I had to ask for the outeredge size in imperial and the actual length in metric.... that's how it's sold!!!! -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== Xmas may be over but, PLEASE DON'T drink and drive you'll make it to the next one that way. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
On Saturday 29 April 2006 8:33 am, Clayton wrote:
If I have any vote, I'd say leave all the applications SUSE provides with the A4 defaults. The US and Canada are the only countries in the world (that I know of) who still use the old non-standard papersizes... although, Canada in it's typical schizophrenic way actually uses both ISO and US paper sizes and standards (I can say that since I'm Canadian :-) )
Try buying A4 paper at Staples! As I suggested in another post, there should not be a default for paper size. Paul
Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
As I suggested in another post, there should not be a default for paper size.
As it is only the US and Canada that does not use ISO standard-size paper, not having a standard would force every user of SUSE to set the paper-size explicitly, whereas using the ISO paper-sizes will be just fine for most people by far. /Per Jessen, Zürich
On Saturday 29 April 2006 3:23 pm, Per Jessen wrote:
As it is only the US and Canada that does not use ISO standard-size paper, not having a standard would force every user of SUSE to set the paper-size explicitly, whereas using the ISO paper-sizes will be just fine for most people by far.
Good question: within the user population, what fraction uses A4 and what fraction uses US letter? You have to set the time zone explicitly, so why not the paper size? I wonder if there are any other locale-ish parameters that also ought to be included. Paul
Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 3:23 pm, Per Jessen wrote:
As it is only the US and Canada that does not use ISO standard-size paper, not having a standard would force every user of SUSE to set the paper-size explicitly, whereas using the ISO paper-sizes will be just fine for most people by far.
Good question: within the user population, what fraction uses A4 and what fraction uses US letter?
Given SUSEs European roots, I would venture a guess and say there probably are more SUSE-users in Europe than in North-America and Canada.
You have to set the time zone explicitly, so why not the paper size?
Perhaps because timezone varies a lot more than paper-size? But it's a good question - I'm sure the default paper-size could be set under YAST somewhere. /Per Jessen, Zürich
On Saturday 29 April 2006 3:49 pm, Per Jessen wrote:
Good question: within the user population, what fraction uses A4 and what fraction uses US letter?
Given SUSEs European roots, I would venture a guess and say there probably are more SUSE-users in Europe than in North-America and Canada.
But who knows, aside from the SuSE sales department?
You have to set the time zone explicitly, so why not the paper size?
Perhaps because timezone varies a lot more than paper-size? But it's a good question - I'm sure the default paper-size could be set under YAST somewhere.
I believe you can -- but you should be asked explicitly to set it when you do an install. If the default were US letter, you'd want that question asked at installation, wouldn't you? Paul
On 29/04/06, Paul W. Abrahams
On Saturday 29 April 2006 3:49 pm, Per Jessen wrote:
Good question: within the user population, what fraction uses A4 and what fraction uses US letter?
Given SUSEs European roots, I would venture a guess and say there probably are more SUSE-users in Europe than in North-America and Canada.
But who knows, aside from the SuSE sales department?
You have to set the time zone explicitly, so why not the paper size?
Perhaps because timezone varies a lot more than paper-size? But it's a good question - I'm sure the default paper-size could be set under YAST somewhere.
I believe you can -- but you should be asked explicitly to set it when you do an install. If the default were US letter, you'd want that question asked at installation, wouldn't you?
Paul
It amazes me that the default location is the US yet SuSE is a European distro. It doesn't cause me a problem and neither do any of the other defaults as they are easily changed. It's just surprising. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
Am Samstag, 29. April 2006 22:41 schrieb Kevanf1:
It amazes me that the default location is the US yet SuSE is a European distro. It doesn't cause me a problem and neither do any of the other defaults as they are easily changed. It's just surprising.
Agreed, surely the logical default would be GMT +/-0? -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 12:59 +0200, David Wright wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. April 2006 22:41 schrieb Kevanf1:
It amazes me that the default location is the US yet SuSE is a European distro. It doesn't cause me a problem and neither do any of the other defaults as they are easily changed. It's just surprising.
Agreed, surely the logical default would be GMT +/-0?
Maybe not logical, but I think it's a good idea.
On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:59, David Wright wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. April 2006 22:41 schrieb Kevanf1:
It amazes me that the default location is the US yet SuSE is a European distro. It doesn't cause me a problem and neither do any of the other defaults as they are easily changed. It's just surprising.
Agreed, surely the logical default would be GMT +/-0?
-- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
Now that not a bad idea at all certainly make life a lot simpler .. :-) Pete . -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM
Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:59, David Wright wrote:
Am Samstag, 29. April 2006 22:41 schrieb Kevanf1:
It amazes me that the default location is the US yet SuSE is a European distro. It doesn't cause me a problem and neither do any of the other defaults as they are easily changed. It's just surprising. Agreed, surely the logical default would be GMT +/-0?
-- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
Now that not a bad idea at all certainly make life a lot simpler .. :-)
It would be simpler for people who lived in that timezone, yes. I would think that it would be more instructive to (mostly new) users to use almost anything besides UTC +/-0, the reason being the math. Some people don't know or might not remember whether they need to add or subtract from UTC to get their own timezone. So using a default of UTC-5 and noting that this is NYC would give a clue to people in, say, Indiana, that their timezone is UTC-6 (well, depending upon where in IN they live). Personally, I don't care which timezone is the default-- it would make the most sense to use the timezone where the most Linux users are (which would be fun to know)-- but I'd be fine with UTC+6. I just think that UTC-0 would be the least instructive choice for users. -- As a statistic, the US Unemployment Rate is like saying that no one is drowning because the flood waters have risen only five inches today.
* ken
So using a default of UTC-5 and noting that this is NYC would give a clue to people in, say, Indiana, that their timezone is UTC-6 (well, depending upon where in IN they live).
Last election screwed with that. Mostly -5 now, :^(. Present day is still light at 8:30pm. But it *will* change again in 30 years as it has in the past and as the weather..... -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
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Agreed, surely the logical default would be GMT +/-0?
Now that not a bad idea at all certainly make life a lot simpler .. :-)
It would certainly be a good thing. Having any other default like "-5" means that first I have to add +5, then substract -2 to get my local time. UTC aka GMT happens to be what linux uses internally anyway, it is already the international time reference... - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVTOWtTMYHG2NR9URAqeHAKCUWDNoyFriLz5YYMA/HhEnlUDY+gCdHOO6 uSAwlV7fKpppVobo3EX5axI= =vJWA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Saturday 29 April 2006 21:37, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 3:49 pm, Per Jessen wrote:
Good question: within the user population, what fraction uses A4 and what fraction uses US letter?
Given SUSEs European roots, I would venture a guess and say there probably are more SUSE-users in Europe than in North-America and Canada.
But who knows, aside from the SuSE sales department?
You have to set the time zone explicitly, so why not the paper size?
Perhaps because timezone varies a lot more than paper-size? But it's a good question - I'm sure the default paper-size could be set under YAST somewhere.
I believe you can -- but you should be asked explicitly to set it when you do an install. If the default were US letter, you'd want that question asked at installation, wouldn't you?
Paul
I have to admit i fail to see what is so difficult about setting your darn paper size when you set your printer up you get the chance to set that to whatever you want .. As for %of users on A4 i would not be at all surprised if it turned out to be 70 30 in favour of A4 as A4 is the standard for the vast majority of the planet . Pete . -- The Labour party has changed their emblem from a rose to a condom as it more accurately reflects the government's political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you are actually being fucked. from GSM
On Saturday 29 April 2006 6:48 pm, Peter Nikolic wrote:
I have to admit i fail to see what is so difficult about setting your darn paper size when you set your printer up you get the chance to set that to whatever you want ..
Like many things, it's easy if you have the right knowledge and hard if you don't. If your printer is set for the wrong size paper (letter for Europeans, A4 for Americans), documents may print weirdly but you may not know why. And the paper size setting for printer setup via Yast is buried under "filter" in the configuration, which isn't terribly suggestive. If you live in an environment where paper size is taken for granted (whichever one it is), then you don't even know it's an issue until you run up against the consequences of getting it wrong. Paul
On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:06, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 6:48 pm, Peter Nikolic wrote:
I have to admit i fail to see what is so difficult about setting your darn paper size when you set your printer up you get the chance to set that to whatever you want ..
Like many things, it's easy if you have the right knowledge and hard if you don't.
So, what does one do to remedy that situation? They become knowledgable. It's called learning. It's not a difficult thing to learn either, since there's a big button to push with the pointer that reads 'properties' and then tabs, one that has 'paper size'. Ignorance *is* bliss, to lazy people.
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 14:11, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 13:32 +0200, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter.. Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues. And that was the cause of the failure of one (two?) NASA missions to Mars: wrong unit conversions.
My favourite is the Canadian incident, where they ordered the amount of fuel in kilos but received it in pounds, so they went flying with half a tank
You're referring to the "Gimli Glider" (google for more info), named after the abaondoned WW2 air base where it landed. There were a few factors that led to that incident. The plane had a defective fuel gauge. When that happens, they are supposed to use a dip stick, to measure fuel levels, which they failed to do. If they'd performed that check, the miscalculation would have been caught.
Anders Johansson wrote:
My favourite is the Canadian incident, where they ordered the amount of fuel in kilos but received it in pounds, so they went flying with half a tank
Incidentally, planes often fly with less than full tanks. They carry only enough to reach their destination, plus a margin for safety. To always fly with full tanks would simply waste fuel and money.
On Saturday 29 April 2006 14:44, James Knott wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
My favourite is the Canadian incident, where they ordered the amount of fuel in kilos but received it in pounds, so they went flying with half a tank
Incidentally, planes often fly with less than full tanks. They carry only enough to reach their destination, plus a margin for safety. To always fly with full tanks would simply waste fuel and money.
Is this relevant? What are you saying? Are you suggesting they glided to save money on fuel? "No, ladies and gentlemen, it wasn't a mistake, we did it in an effort to keep ticket prices down in the face of a world wide oil shortage. In future, we will also be looking closely at related efforts, such as travel by cannon"
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 14:44, James Knott wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
My favourite is the Canadian incident, where they ordered the amount of fuel in kilos but received it in pounds, so they went flying with half a tank Incidentally, planes often fly with less than full tanks. They carry only enough to reach their destination, plus a margin for safety. To always fly with full tanks would simply waste fuel and money.
Is this relevant? What are you saying? Are you suggesting they glided to save money on fuel?
No, I'm saying planes often fly with less than a full tank, when it's not needed to fly to the destination. If a plane takes of with a full tank of fuel, when only half a tank is sufficient, then they're carrying all that fuel at great expense and may also decrease available payload. Don't forget, fuel consumption depends on weight, so if they carried far more fuel than they needed, they'd burn significanly more fuel to carry it. In that Gimli Glider incident, they goofed in calculating how much fuel they needed.
On Apr 29, 2006, at 5:23 PM, James Knott wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 14:44, James Knott wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
My favourite is the Canadian incident, where they ordered the amount of fuel in kilos but received it in pounds, so they went flying with half a tank Incidentally, planes often fly with less than full tanks. They carry only enough to reach their destination, plus a margin for safety. To always fly with full tanks would simply waste fuel and money.
Is this relevant? What are you saying? Are you suggesting they glided to save money on fuel?
No, I'm saying planes often fly with less than a full tank, when it's not needed to fly to the destination. If a plane takes of with a full tank of fuel, when only half a tank is sufficient, then they're carrying all that fuel at great expense and may also decrease available payload. Don't forget, fuel consumption depends on weight, so if they carried far more fuel than they needed, they'd burn significanly more fuel to carry it. In that Gimli Glider incident, they goofed in calculating how much fuel they needed.
Hi, The airlines pay lots of money for apps that check fuel price and availability many times a day at each of their destinations. The app then crunches away and makes recommendations as to quantity and location for each plane to fuel. These calculations can really get a big system to crunch away! The FAA requires all commercial flights to carry at least enough fuel to fly to their destination, then to an alternate dest 45 minutes further, then an additional 45 minutes flying time more. In the US aviation GASOLINE is sold and used by the US Gallon; Jet-A fuel is sold and used by the POUND. No expantion/ contraction issues that way. I have friend that was a long-haul trans pacific 747-400 captain. Fun fact: the 747-400 has fuel tanks in the horizontal stabilizer (tail) that hold 10,000 pounds of Jet-A. Modern jets have computerizd fuel systems that talk to the 're-fueler' system; it tells the refueler how much fuel to deliver and it sorts it out into the many onboard tanks as determined by the Flight Eng or Co-Pilot. What amazes me about these fuel-starvation incidents is that the personel don't see them coming in time to make a 'powered' landing! PeterB
Peter B Van Campen wrote:
I have friend that was a long-haul trans pacific 747-400 captain. Fun fact: the 747-400 has fuel tanks in the horizontal stabilizer (tail) that hold 10,000 pounds of Jet-A. Modern jets have computerizd fuel systems that talk to the 're-fueler' system; it tells the refueler how much fuel to deliver and it sorts it out into the many onboard tanks as determined by the Flight Eng or Co-Pilot. What amazes me about these fuel-starvation incidents is that the personel don't see them coming in time to make a 'powered' landing!
There was one flight, that was pretty much running on fumes when it reached the Azores. A wrong part caused a fuel leak in an engine and then crew error sent most of the remaining fuel into the bad engine, where it quickly disappeared.
On Saturday 29 April 2006 6:23 pm, James Knott wrote:
No, I'm saying planes often fly with less than a full tank, when it's not needed to fly to the destination. If a plane takes of with a full tank of fuel, when only half a tank is sufficient, then they're carrying all that fuel at great expense and may also decrease available payload. Don't forget, fuel consumption depends on weight, so if they carried far more fuel than they needed, they'd burn significanly more fuel to carry it. In that Gimli Glider incident, they goofed in calculating how much fuel they needed. One reason that prop planes often fly with less than a full tank has to do with weight and balance. Every aircraft is certified for a maximum gross weight. The weight is very important at takeoff, and at the altitude of the airfield (Actually density altitude). The pilot must take into account the empty weight of the aircraft, the weight of the crew and passengers, the baggage and cargo, the fuel, and the density altitude. I once crashed a helicopter while landing on a mountain top because we were too heavy. -- Jerry Feldman
Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
On 01/05/06, Jerry Feldman
helicopter while landing on a mountain top because we were too heavy.
I've crashed a hovercraft... But that was because I was being stupid and trying to do something the craft was incapable of in the weather conditions :-/ -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 14:11, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 13:32 +0200, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter..
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
And that was the cause of the failure of one (two?) NASA missions to Mars: wrong unit conversions.
My favourite is the Canadian incident, where they ordered the amount of fuel in kilos but received it in pounds, so they went flying with half a tank ROFL!
Cheers. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 14:15 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 14:11, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 13:32 +0200, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter..
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
And that was the cause of the failure of one (two?) NASA missions to Mars: wrong unit conversions.
My favourite is the Canadian incident, where they ordered the amount of fuel in kilos but received it in pounds, so they went flying with half a tank
Brand new Air Canada B-757 they had to glide into a landing because of that snafu.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 13:32 +0200, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter.. Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
And that was the cause of the failure of one (two?) NASA missions to Mars: wrong unit conversions.
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
On Saturday April 29 2006 08:35, James Knott wrote:
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
We don't. The imperial gallon is 5 quarts. The US gallon is 4 quarts. Canadians, I believe, use the imperial gallon, or used to.
On 29/04/06, Doug McGarrett
On Saturday April 29 2006 08:35, James Knott wrote:
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
We don't. The imperial gallon is 5 quarts. The US gallon is 4 quarts. Canadians, I believe, use the imperial gallon, or used to.
Now I'm confused. A quart is two pints, yes? 8 pints equal a gallon the same as 4 quarts. All these are indeed Imperial measures or they are here in the UK. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
Kevanf1 wrote:
On 29/04/06, Doug McGarrett
wrote: On Saturday April 29 2006 08:35, James Knott wrote:
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
We don't. The imperial gallon is 5 quarts. The US gallon is 4 quarts. Canadians, I believe, use the imperial gallon, or used to.
Now I'm confused. A quart is two pints, yes? 8 pints equal a gallon the same as 4 quarts. All these are indeed Imperial measures or they are here in the UK.
-- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid.
Kevan Farmer
Linux user #373362
Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
I believe that it goes back to King George the Mad. He couldn't raise taxes in the colonies, but he could change the size of a pint, which I believe, IIRC, went from 20 oz. to 16 oz. Jim
On Apr 29, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Jim Sabatke wrote:
Kevanf1 wrote:
On 29/04/06, Doug McGarrett
wrote: On Saturday April 29 2006 08:35, James Knott wrote:
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
We don't. The imperial gallon is 5 quarts. The US gallon is 4 quarts. Canadians, I believe, use the imperial gallon, or used to.
Now I'm confused. A quart is two pints, yes? 8 pints equal a gallon the same as 4 quarts. All these are indeed Imperial measures or they are here in the UK.
I believe that it goes back to King George the Mad. He couldn't raise taxes in the colonies, but he could change the size of a pint, which I believe, IIRC, went from 20 oz. to 16 oz.
Jim
Kevin, I remember having to buy transmission oil in Canada in 1969. the Quarts were 40 ounces. So an Imp Gallon would be 4 Imp Quarts (160 Oz) or 5 US Quarts (160 Oz). How about Oil Barrels? Isn't the standard US Bbl 55 US Gal.? But crude oil is sold in 44 US Gal Bbls? Is ther sucha thing as a Metric Bbl? Why did Europe drop the Metric Week and Month ( 10 Day wk, 10 Momth Year)? My favorite Metric month was "Thermadore" in the summer (Northern Hemisphere) PeterB Let's move this over to the OT list, please?
Peter B Van Campen wrote:
I remember having to buy transmission oil in Canada in 1969. the Quarts were 40 ounces. So an Imp Gallon would be 4 Imp Quarts (160 Oz) or 5 US Quarts (160 Oz).
It's not quite that simple. You're forgetting about the different ounce sizes.
On Saturday, April 29, 2006 @ 5:39 PM, James Knott wrote:
Peter B Van Campen wrote:
I remember having to buy transmission oil in Canada in 1969. the Quarts were 40 ounces. So an Imp Gallon would be 4 Imp Quarts (160 Oz) or 5 US Quarts (160 Oz).
It's not quite that simple. You're forgetting about the different ounce sizes.
Actually, I lived in Canada for a while and it was as Peter described. A gallon was 160 oz and a quart 40 oz. Greg Wallace
Greg Wallace wrote:
On Saturday, April 29, 2006 @ 5:39 PM, James Knott wrote:
Peter B Van Campen wrote:
I remember having to buy transmission oil in Canada in 1969. the Quarts were 40 ounces. So an Imp Gallon would be 4 Imp Quarts (160 Oz) or 5 US Quarts (160 Oz).
It's not quite that simple. You're forgetting about the different ounce sizes.
Actually, I lived in Canada for a while and it was as Peter described. A gallon was 160 oz and a quart 40 oz.
I also live in Canada, and while an Imperial gallon has 160 ounces, it's a smaller ounce than the American. As I mentioned in another note, while the ratio of the number of ounces in an American and Imperial gallon is 4/5, the actual volume is 5/6. This can be verified, by comparing the number of litres in each gallon. In Imperial, it's 4.546 litres/gallon. In U.S., it's 3.785.
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Why did Europe drop the Metric Week and Month ( 10 Day wk, 10 Momth Year)?
I've never heard of that. Do you perhaps mean the French Republican Calendar or French Revolutionary Calendar? - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEU+zQtTMYHG2NR9URAghcAJ9p5lFvxCd+TPSz/DrUwkWjqvaMJwCfVVYD XQe8ZZyaymoJrrBtZ29onSk= =lLee -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Peter B Van Campen wrote:
Why did Europe drop the Metric Week and Month ( 10 Day wk, 10 Momth Year)?
I think you'll find that when one speaks of the "Metric System", what is meant is really the SI system. Which does not have definitions for weeks and months. /Per Jessen, Zürich
Jim Sabatke wrote:
Kevanf1 wrote:
On 29/04/06, Doug McGarrett
wrote: On Saturday April 29 2006 08:35, James Knott wrote:
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
We don't. The imperial gallon is 5 quarts. The US gallon is 4 quarts. Canadians, I believe, use the imperial gallon, or used to.
Now I'm confused. A quart is two pints, yes? 8 pints equal a gallon the same as 4 quarts. All these are indeed Imperial measures or they are here in the UK.
-- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid.
Kevan Farmer
Linux user #373362
Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
I believe that it goes back to King George the Mad. He couldn't raise taxes in the colonies, but he could change the size of a pint, which I believe, IIRC, went from 20 oz. to 16 oz.
IIRC, the larger Imperial measures came after the revolution, so Britain changed and the U.S. didn't.
Kevanf1 wrote:
On 29/04/06, Doug McGarrett
wrote: On Saturday April 29 2006 08:35, James Knott wrote:
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
We don't. The imperial gallon is 5 quarts. The US gallon is 4 quarts. Canadians, I believe, use the imperial gallon, or used to.
Now I'm confused. A quart is two pints, yes? 8 pints equal a gallon the same as 4 quarts. All these are indeed Imperial measures or they are here in the UK.
A gallon is 4 quarts, but a U.S. gallon is 4 U.S. quarts. An Imperial gallon is 4 Imperial quarts, but a U.S quart is 32 ounces, and Imperial is 40. And of course the ounces are different sizes too, so while you have a 4/5 ratio in the number of ounces in U.S. & Imperial gallons, the actual volume difference is 5/6. This illustrates exactly why that nonsense should be abandoned in favour of metric.
On Saturday 29 April 2006 18:36, James Knott wrote:
Kevanf1 wrote:
On 29/04/06, Doug McGarrett
wrote: On Saturday April 29 2006 08:35, James Knott wrote:
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
We don't. The imperial gallon is 5 quarts. The US gallon is 4 quarts. Canadians, I believe, use the imperial gallon, or used to.
Now I'm confused. A quart is two pints, yes? 8 pints equal a gallon the same as 4 quarts. All these are indeed Imperial measures or they are here in the UK.
A gallon is 4 quarts, but a U.S. gallon is 4 U.S. quarts. An Imperial gallon is 4 Imperial quarts, but a U.S quart is 32 ounces, and Imperial is 40. And of course the ounces are different sizes too, so while you have a 4/5 ratio in the number of ounces in U.S. & Imperial gallons, the actual volume difference is 5/6. This illustrates exactly why that nonsense should be abandoned in favour of metric.
Welllll....... Here in the US we've been selling our wine and whiskey in liters for quite some time now, and that's certainly more important than gasoline or oil. Bob S.
Bob S wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 18:36, James Knott wrote:
Kevanf1 wrote:
On 29/04/06, Doug McGarrett
wrote: On Saturday April 29 2006 08:35, James Knott wrote:
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
We don't. The imperial gallon is 5 quarts. The US gallon is 4 quarts. Canadians, I believe, use the imperial gallon, or used to.
Now I'm confused. A quart is two pints, yes? 8 pints equal a gallon the same as 4 quarts. All these are indeed Imperial measures or they are here in the UK.
A gallon is 4 quarts, but a U.S. gallon is 4 U.S. quarts. An Imperial gallon is 4 Imperial quarts, but a U.S quart is 32 ounces, and Imperial is 40. And of course the ounces are different sizes too, so while you have a 4/5 ratio in the number of ounces in U.S. & Imperial gallons, the actual volume difference is 5/6. This illustrates exactly why that nonsense should be abandoned in favour of metric.
Welllll....... Here in the US we've been selling our wine and whiskey in liters for quite some time now, and that's certainly more important than gasoline or oil.
Bob S. <Sigh>
Now there is another thing.... "liters" instead of (in proper English) "litres" and "center" instead of (in proper English) "centre". :-) Cheers. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.
On Sunday 30 April 2006 02:34, Basil Chupin wrote: [...]
Welllll....... Here in the US we've been selling our wine and whiskey in liters for quite some time now, and that's certainly more important than gasoline or oil.
Bob S.
<Sigh>
Now there is another thing.... "liters" instead of (in proper English) "litres" and "center" instead of (in proper English) "centre".
Um, that'd be the proper _French_ spelled approximately as she is pronounced, no? Unless, perhaps, you are saying that your proper h'english pronunciation is LIT-rez? At least "liter" has a chance of sounding a bit like "LEE-turs", which is how most English(like) speakers actually pronounce it. Oh, wait... I forgot. Y'all would be the folks who pronounce something "chumley" and then spell it Chalmonderleigh or some such. :-) Kevin (Ottawa, Canada)
On 30/04/06, elefino
On Sunday 30 April 2006 02:34, Basil Chupin wrote:
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Welllll....... Here in the US we've been selling our wine and whiskey in liters for quite some time now, and that's certainly more important than gasoline or oil.
Bob S.
<Sigh>
Now there is another thing.... "liters" instead of (in proper English) "litres" and "center" instead of (in proper English) "centre".
Um, that'd be the proper _French_ spelled approximately as she is pronounced, no?
Unless, perhaps, you are saying that your proper h'english pronunciation is LIT-rez?
At least "liter" has a chance of sounding a bit like "LEE-turs", which is how most English(like) speakers actually pronounce it.
Oh, wait... I forgot. Y'all would be the folks who pronounce something "chumley" and then spell it Chalmonderleigh or some such.
:-) Kevin (Ottawa, Canada)
Cholmondleigh actually :-) That's possibly down to the Romans though. Hey, try spelling with Shakespeares English. At 43 yrs of age I still cannot figure out the obsession with many of my fellow countrymen that Shakespeare was something wonderful. He wrote soaps set in the Middle Ages, that's all. I love English Literature but hate Shakespeare.....although I do love the Sibelius rendition of The Tempest :-) and of course Forbidden Planet. -- ============================================== I am only human, please forgive me if I make a mistake it is not deliberate. ============================================== PLEASE DON'T drink and drive it's not clever, it's just stupid. Kevan Farmer Linux user #373362 Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR
elefino wrote:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 02:34, Basil Chupin wrote:
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Welllll....... Here in the US we've been selling our wine and whiskey in liters for quite some time now, and that's certainly more important than gasoline or oil.
Bob S.
<Sigh>
Now there is another thing.... "liters" instead of (in proper English) "litres" and "center" instead of (in proper English) "centre".
Um, that'd be the proper _French_ spelled approximately as she is pronounced, no?
Unless, perhaps, you are saying that your proper h'english pronunciation is LIT-rez?
At least "liter" has a chance of sounding a bit like "LEE-turs", which is how most English(like) speakers actually pronounce it.
Oh, wait... I forgot. Y'all would be the folks who pronounce something "chumley" and then spell it Chalmonderleigh or some such.
:-) Kevin (Ottawa, Canada) I've got no problems with the claim that it originates from French, although the French adopted it from the Greek word 'litra'. 'Metre' is actually French 'metre' so I am more than happy that both 'litre' and 'metre' (and 'centre' for that matter) come from an old and grand language. But 'liter' (a misspelt 'litter'?), 'center' and 'meter'...... I ask you!
:-) Cheers. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.
Am Sonntag, 30. April 2006 20:47 schrieb elefino:
On Sunday 30 April 2006 02:34, Basil Chupin wrote:
[...]
Welllll....... Here in the US we've been selling our wine and whiskey in liters for quite some time now, and that's certainly more important than gasoline or oil.
Bob S.
<Sigh>
Now there is another thing.... "liters" instead of (in proper English) "litres" and "center" instead of (in proper English) "centre".
Um, that'd be the proper _French_ spelled approximately as she is pronounced, no?
Unless, perhaps, you are saying that your proper h'english pronunciation is LIT-rez?
Na, liter just looks like somebody illiterate tried to write litter :-D
Mánudaginn þann 1 maí 2006 09:41 skrifaði David Wright:
Na, liter just looks like somebody illiterate tried to write litter :-D
Well, "litre" looks like a poor language with little control over verbal and vocal diversity.
Dave -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Saturday April 29 2006 08:35, James Knott wrote:
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
We don't. The imperial gallon is 5 quarts. The US gallon is 4 quarts. Canadians, I believe, use the imperial gallon, or used to.
The above is an example of why metric is preferred. There are at least a couple of gallons, quarts, ounces, cups and that's only talking about liquid measure.
On Saturday 29 April 2006 05:35 am, James Knott wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 13:32 +0200, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter..
Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues.
And that was the cause of the failure of one (two?) NASA missions to Mars: wrong unit conversions.
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
Unfortuntately, the government decided to get involved in our "conversion" back in the '70s. That said, you see the results. :) As one who studied in West Germany and later worked in Switzerland, I can say that it is far easier to simply "switch" than to ever try an convert. We Ami's always tried to convert from miles to Km and from Fahrenheit to Celsius. That is - and always will be - extremely difficult. Yet simply changing is - in my opinion - much faster and painless. I still have no idea how many miles 50 Km is, nor do I care. I know that it was the distance between my buddy's house and my dorm at the univerity. I also have no idea how many degrees Fahrenheit 24C is. I do know, however, that it was comfortable and better than 5C. Okay, sorry for the OT rant. :) Now, I haven't done this in several months, but I believe that the KDE Control Center has the ability to set the default paper size to A4 or Letter or Legal or B4 or 42 or whatever you want. -- kai - www.perfectreign.com 43...for those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.
On Saturday 29 April 2006 10:38 am, kai wrote:
Okay, sorry for the OT rant. :)
Now, I haven't done this in several months, but I believe that the KDE Control Center has the ability to set the default paper size to A4 or Letter or Legal or B4 or 42 or whatever you want.
kai
Exactly. Whenever I setup a new install/update/whatever of SUSE Linux I will always change the clock settings in the Panel. Right click on the clock, choose Date & Time Format and make sure the Other tab is set for your Paper and Measurement defaults. Fixes those printing issues right then and there. Same as KDE Control Center, Regional & Accessibility, Country/Region & Language. Stan
kai wrote:
On Saturday 29 April 2006 05:35 am, James Knott wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2006-04-29 at 13:32 +0200, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter.. Not to mention all the engineers in the 21th century who have to have to revert to 18th century measurement "standards" when they try to speak with their US collegues. And that was the cause of the failure of one (two?) NASA missions to Mars: wrong unit conversions. It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
Unfortuntately, the government decided to get involved in our "conversion" back in the '70s. That said, you see the results. :)
IIRC, Peanut Carter had started the switch and Reagan was stupid enough to cancel it.
Þann Laugardaguren den 29 apríl 2006 14:35 skrifaði James Knott:
It's amazing that Americans are still so backward as to stick with the Imperial measures.
Well, maybe the entire subject is being interpreted wrong. Since I always prefer "imperical" proof, I suggest Europeans start considering that "Emperical" statements most certainly have greater value, than anything they can device with their limited metrics. And, perhaps, ladies and gentlemen ... the reason for the problems with the Mission to Mars, and the "Canadian incidents" was that for these things to be successful ... you need "Imperical" data. Thus the fault, is the limited European metric system. :)
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. CUPS also has to be told (separately, I think) what the
On Saturday 29 April 2006 1:56 am, Clayton wrote: paper
size is. For Americans, it should be letter size. The setting is in the filter parameters of the printer.
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter..
If only standards were... standards.
The answer is probably not to have a default on paper size -- or even better yet, let the default paper size be a system parameter that the user can set. The problem with that, of course, is propagating the information to the places that need it. Paul
into electronic streams flowing thru the cosmos On Saturday 29 April 2006 1:56 am, Clayton wrote:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. CUPS also has to be told (separately, I think) what the paper size is. For Americans, it should be letter size. The setting is in the filter parameters of the printer.
Well..... A4 is the international ISO stadard for paper size. Now you know the frustration for 5 billion other people on earth who try to use pretty much any software/OS that defaults to US Letter..
If only standards were... standards. OR if, at least software creators understood that users need to be able to EASILY change settings. Consider someone traveling between such "standards" w/ a laptop but needing to print a document.. bah! it's a mess..
-- j "When You Earnestly Believe You Can Compensate For A Lack Of Skill By Doubling Your Efforts, There's No End To What You Can't Do."
On Friday 28 April 2006 23:32, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=169750 It's still not right in RC3, I'll be re-opening the bug this morning. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "I love virtuosity. I love danger." -Pierre Boulez, 2005
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 08:39 -0500, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On Friday 28 April 2006 23:32, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=169750
It's still not right in RC3, I'll be re-opening the bug this morning.
It's not a bug, it's a setting. It would be nice to use a default based on locale though, and if the locale default isn't known then use A4.
On Friday 28 April 2006 09:32 pm, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up.
Hmm...what kind of printer? I always understood that A4 and letter were pretty much the same. My printers have never hung up being sent that size. -- kai
On Friday 28 April 2006 09:32 pm, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up.
Hmm...what kind of printer? I always understood that A4 and letter were
On Saturday 29 April 2006 10:08 am, kai wrote: pretty
much the same. My printers have never hung up being sent that size.
HP LaserJet 5. The printer can handle A4 paper but it detects that A4 isn't what's in the tray and asks me to put some in. Of course, I don't have any. Paul
At 11:45 AM 4/29/06, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
On Friday 28 April 2006 09:32 pm, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up.
Hmm...what kind of printer? I always understood that A4 and letter were
On Saturday 29 April 2006 10:08 am, kai wrote: pretty
much the same. My printers have never hung up being sent that size.
HP LaserJet 5. The printer can handle A4 paper but it detects that A4 isn't what's in the tray and asks me to put some in. Of course, I don't have any.
I have never seen an HP print "hung" in this situation. It might display a message like "LOAD A4 PAPER" on the little LED display, but never 'hung". I thought many HP printers (as early as some LaserJet 4 models) had an option to ignore Letter/A4 differences and print anyway. With the option enabled, the printer would be happy to print a Letter document on A4 paper, or an A4 document on Letter paper. Check your printer's user guide about how to use front panel controls. If the printer does not have this option, then there should be a combination of buttons on printer that tells to printer to override document formatting and use whatever paper is currently in printer. Again, check user guide.
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 00:32 -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. CUPS also has to be told (separately, I think) what the paper size is. For Americans, it should be letter size. The setting is in the filter parameters of the printer.
Since I ask lots of questions, perhaps I can do a good turn for others here.
Paul
If you properly setup your locale in KDE the paper size will be properly set as well to letter. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Saturday 29 April 2006 1:00 pm, Ken Schneider wrote:
If you properly setup your locale in KDE the paper size will be properly set as well to letter.
That assumes that the user knows about the problem. I'd like to see SuSE inquire about that and related parameters during installation so there's no possibility of a mixup. Paul
Am Samstag, 29. April 2006 06:32 schrieb Paul W. Abrahams:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. CUPS also has to be told (separately, I think) what the paper size is. For Americans, it should be letter size. The setting is in the filter parameters of the printer.
Since I ask lots of questions, perhaps I can do a good turn for others here.
Paul
That makes a refreshing change, after 25 years of Microsoft products defaulting to US Letter and hanging everybody elses printers, sounds like you are getting some of your own medicine back :-D -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 00:32 -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. CUPS also has to be told (separately, I think) what the paper size is. For Americans, it should be letter size. The setting is in the filter parameters of the printer.
Thanks! Now the *rest* of the world can finally get their paper size set as default.... :-) Hans
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 00:32 -0400, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. CUPS also has to be told (separately, I think) what the
On Sunday 30 April 2006 5:33 pm, Hans du Plooy wrote: paper
size is. For Americans, it should be letter size. The setting is in the filter parameters of the printer.
Thanks! Now the *rest* of the world can finally get their paper size set as default....
Warnings to Americans can safely be ignored (usually) by non-Americans. My point is that whichever way the default is set, it will be wrong for a lot of people and the symptoms may not have an obvious explanation. Paul
On Saturday 29 April 2006 00:32, Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper, which will cause your printer to hang up. It happened to me and it took a while to figure out what was going on. [snip...]
My Mileage varies. A printer has never hung due to the default A4 paper size. (I've been through about six models of HP laserjet.) The bottom of the page is just truncated. Nearly every upgrade or new installation I forget that the printers settings have to be tweaked. Annoying.
Hello, On Apr 29 00:32 Paul W. Abrahams wrote (shortened):
The default installation of SuSE printers uses A4 paper
No. There is no "The default". It is much more complicated: See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=88286 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=169750 See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=148707 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=65482 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=154983 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=163163 See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=150283 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=165194 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=165195
which will cause your printer to hang up.
Only if you have set up your printer internally (i.e. via the printer's built-in menue) to check the paper size and stop and request the right paper if documents in a non-standard size are sent to it. Usually only a PostScript printer (in PostScript mode) can check the size of a PostScript document which is sent it it. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5 Mail: jsmeix@suse.de 90409 Nuernberg, Germany WWW: http://www.suse.de/
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