[opensuse] RFC: OpenSUSE mailing list netiquette
Recent discussion on topic Reply To munging brought me again to: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette I corrected one typo in added link, but also read article again. Not very pleased with changes I wrote comments on article talk page: http://en.opensuse.org/Talk:OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette and I'm looking for comments. Problems could be fixed without asking anybody, but that would be my opinion and not this mail list consent. Unlike many other articles on http://en.opensuse.org wiki, this can't be changed by single user. -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On 02/15/2010 06:56 AM, Rajko M. wrote:
Recent discussion on topic Reply To munging brought me again to: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette
I corrected one typo in added link, but also read article again. Not very pleased with changes I wrote comments on article talk page: http://en.opensuse.org/Talk:OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette and I'm looking for comments.
My opinion: We revert them and make sure stuff like this never happens again. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:56:45PM -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
Recent discussion on topic Reply To munging brought me again to: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette
I corrected one typo in added link, but also read article again.
Thx. But you also changed the intentional capitalization of the title as it was taken from the source the link points to. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization in particular the pointer to 'Rules for Capitalization in a Title' from the 'External links' section. http://henshaw.me/704/rules-for-capitalization-in-a-title And you're right, the discussion around a wiki article must happen in the public on a list or in the dedicated discussion page of the page in question. Anything else is a different kind of munging. :) Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
On 15/02/10 16:56, Rajko M. wrote:
Recent discussion on topic Reply To munging brought me again to: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette
I corrected one typo in added link, but also read article again. Not very pleased with changes I wrote comments on article talk page: http://en.opensuse.org/Talk:OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette and I'm looking for comments.
Problems could be fixed without asking anybody, but that would be my opinion and not this mail list consent. Unlike many other articles on http://en.opensuse.org wiki, this can't be changed by single user.
From my perspective all the business about pruning unnecessary text, being polite, etc is just...well... nit-picking in a sort of way.
One of the issues which should be brought to the forefront, and all users should have this tattooed on their foreheads, is that PRIVATE MAIL is just that: *PRIVATE MAIL*! I've received private mail from people in this forum and have followed the convention that the response must be also private - ie, addressed back only to the poster and not anyone else. And yet, I have seen my response(s) to the private mail being posted in a public forum. Or a private message was responded to publicly - this didn't worry because it was the responder who was revealing the responder's identity. The only time the contents of a private message may be revealed (by a responder) is if the person is first asked if the contents of the original message could be made public. If that person states, "No", then - the answer is obvious. Such was the "netiquette" established back in the day of AARNet/Fidonet, and this "netiquette" is not subject to negotiation. The biggest PITA re this is not only the posters'/repliers' ignorance of this most important "netiquette" rule but also a mailer's ability to come up with CC:, BCC:, and whatever, configuration which many people do not understand, or care about. How many people here realise that your mailer may automatically respond to a sender stating that you have received that person's message - but you didn't want that person to know just yet that you did receive or, or want a spammer to confirm that s/he had your correct address? BC -- The calendar's days are numbered! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Basil Chupin
From my perspective all the business about pruning unnecessary text, being polite, etc is just...well... nit-picking in a sort of way.
You then, deny the published list standards as your statement is opposite that? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 18/02/10 00:20, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin
[02-17-10 00:50]: From my perspective all the business about pruning unnecessary text,
being polite, etc is just...well... nit-picking in a sort of way.
You then, deny the published list standards as your statement is opposite that?
"You may very well think that, but of course, I couldn't possibly comment". BC -- The calendar's days are numbered! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 16 February 2010 23:48:26 Basil Chupin wrote:
From my perspective all the business about pruning unnecessary text, being polite, etc is just...well... nit-picking in a sort of way.
For some being polite is just normal fact of life, for some it must be written and reread from time to time.
One of the issues which should be brought to the forefront, and all users should have this tattooed on their foreheads, is that PRIVATE MAIL is just that: *PRIVATE MAIL*!
For you it is private email problem, for someone else it will be quoting, replying style, and so on. Everyone has something that is the most important, and the netiquette is there to make people aware about consent. Basically it is not, you must do that at any cost, but more what one should do to get maximum attention for his/her problem. IMO any warning on posting style is more help to get help, ie. avoid irritating people with miscellaneous actions, then enforcing rules. I guess that: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml is must read for everyone helping others, specially: "Don't be caught by support burnout" -- Regards Rajko, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Basil Chupin
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Henne Vogelsang
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Lars Müller
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Patrick Shanahan
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Rajko M.