[SLE] Suggestion: why suse use No-Yes and Yes-No?
hi, after try suse gnome for several time, i see suse is not consistent and not USER FRIENDLY here: 1. some dialog box show this action buttons: Yes or No, but some dialog box show: No or Yes 2. most of this dialog box show, .i.e: do you like apple? No-Yes. this is NOT HUMAN BEING! Usually we will show/speak/write in this order "Yes or No". As a programmer, i know this come from 0=No and 1=Yes, which 0 ordered before 1. But we must use Yes/No rather than No/Yes for better GUI/User Friendly because the user of Suse is not a computer by a human :) this uncovenient not happen on suse but almost all linux. suse dev team, do you read this email? on which version suse will change this? 10.2 or 10.3? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 05:10, The Nice Spider wrote:
hi,
after try suse gnome for several time, i see suse is not consistent and not USER FRIENDLY here: 1. some dialog box show this action buttons: Yes or No, but some dialog box show: No or Yes 2. most of this dialog box show, .i.e: do you like apple? No-Yes. this is NOT HUMAN BEING! Usually we will show/speak/write in this order "Yes or No".
As a programmer, i know this come from 0=No and 1=Yes,
No no no no no. It comes from the Gnome "Human Interface Guidelines" people. It is not a SUSE thing, it is a gnome thing, and they did it conciously, with the idea that it would improve usability. You will see the exact same thing in any distribution that uses gnome software -- Ut supra post festum sunt obscura -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 05:10, The Nice Spider wrote:
hi,
after try suse gnome for several time, i see suse is not consistent and not USER FRIENDLY here: 1. some dialog box show this action buttons: Yes or No, but some dialog box show: No or Yes 2. most of this dialog box show, .i.e: do you like apple? No-Yes. this is NOT HUMAN BEING! Usually we will show/speak/write in this order "Yes or No".
As a programmer, i know this come from 0=No and 1=Yes,
No no no no no. It comes from the Gnome "Human Interface Guidelines" people. It is not a SUSE thing, it is a gnome thing, and they did it conciously, with the idea that it would improve usability. You will see the exact same thing in any distribution that uses gnome software
Wow! You're right! http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/windows-alert.html I wonder what they were smoking when they came up with those... -- Kai Ponte www.perfectreign.com -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 05:52, PerfectReign wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 05:10, The Nice Spider wrote:
hi,
after try suse gnome for several time, i see suse is not consistent and not USER FRIENDLY here: 1. some dialog box show this action buttons: Yes or No, but some dialog box show: No or Yes 2. most of this dialog box show, .i.e: do you like apple? No-Yes. this is NOT HUMAN BEING! Usually we will show/speak/write in this order "Yes or No".
As a programmer, i know this come from 0=No and 1=Yes,
No no no no no. It comes from the Gnome "Human Interface Guidelines" people. It is not a SUSE thing, it is a gnome thing, and they did it conciously, with the idea that it would improve usability. You will see the exact same thing in any distribution that uses gnome software
Wow! You're right!
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/windows-alert.html
I wonder what they were smoking when they came up with those...
I wonder what I have been smoking, because I can't find a reference to the Yes/No or No/Yes buttons. 3 x Yes and 2 x No... Where on the page is it? Cheers, Leen - quit smoking years ago ;P -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 21:11, Leendert Meyer wrote:
I wonder what I have been smoking, because I can't find a reference to the Yes/No or No/Yes buttons. 3 x Yes and 2 x No...
There is OK/Cancel, a bit down on the page you find "presents a Cancel button that will prevent execution of the user's command. This button is placed to the immediate left of the OK or equivalent button." The reasoning was laid out in http://mail.gnome.org/archives/hig/2002-February/msg00037.html -- Ut supra post festum sunt obscura -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 05:52, PerfectReign wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 05:10, The Nice Spider wrote:
hi,
after try suse gnome for several time, i see suse is not consistent and not USER FRIENDLY here: 1. some dialog box show this action buttons: Yes or No, but some dialog box show: No or Yes 2. most of this dialog box show, .i.e: do you like apple? No-Yes. this is NOT HUMAN BEING! Usually we will show/speak/write in this order "Yes or No".
As a programmer, i know this come from 0=No and 1=Yes,
No no no no no. It comes from the Gnome "Human Interface Guidelines" people. It is not a SUSE thing, it is a gnome thing, and they did it conciously, with the idea that it would improve usability. You will see the exact same thing in any distribution that uses gnome software
Wow! You're right!
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/windows-alert.html
I wonder what they were smoking when they came up with those...
I wonder what I have been smoking, because I can't find a reference to the Yes/No or No/Yes buttons. 3 x Yes and 2 x No...
Where on the page is it?
Figure 3.12 - This shows Alternate, Cancel, Affirmative. It equates roughly to Cancel, No, Yes. I've been thinking about this a bit - since I've been writing UIs since the TRS-80 days and GUIs since the early '90s, I cannot remember ever seeing this layout. Very strange indeed. I will look into putting the KGTk LD_PRELOAD hack into my system. Looks wonderful!
Cheers,
Leen - quit smoking years ago ;P
Good for you! I haven't used my Weber for awhile, either. -- Kai Ponte www.perfectreign.com -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 22:00, PerfectReign wrote:
Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 05:52, PerfectReign wrote:
Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 05:10, The Nice Spider wrote:
hi,
after try suse gnome for several time, i see suse is not consistent and not USER FRIENDLY here: 1. some dialog box show this action buttons: Yes or No, but some dialog box show: No or Yes 2. most of this dialog box show, .i.e: do you like apple? No-Yes. this is NOT HUMAN BEING! Usually we will show/speak/write in this order "Yes or No".
As a programmer, i know this come from 0=No and 1=Yes,
No no no no no. It comes from the Gnome "Human Interface
Guidelines"
people. It is not a SUSE thing, it is a gnome thing, and they did it conciously, with the idea that it would improve usability. You will see the exact
same
thing in any distribution that uses gnome software
Wow! You're right!
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/windows-alert.html
I wonder what they were smoking when they came up with those...
I wonder what I have been smoking, because I can't find a reference to the Yes/No or No/Yes buttons. 3 x Yes and 2 x No...
Where on the page is it?
Figure 3.12 - This shows Alternate, Cancel, Affirmative. It equates roughly to Cancel, No, Yes.
Hmmnnyes...
I've been thinking about this a bit - since I've been writing UIs since the TRS-80 days and GUIs since the early '90s,
Reminds me of my first steps^H^H^H^H^Htaps on a borrowed ZX-Spectrum.
I cannot remember ever seeing this layout. Very strange indeed.
I will look into putting the KGTk LD_PRELOAD hack into my system. Looks wonderful!
I really do believe that. But one needs to tweak the way each app starts. In that way it is indeed a bit hackerish (/only/ in that way). Hmm, just tried kgtk-wrapper.sh firefox. Guess what? Gnome's Open file dialog, and with [Cancel] [Open]. Seems like the button orientation is RTL instead of LTR... Man, must be good stuff they're using... 8o} ... LOL, had another Firefox window open. Closed it, tried again, did ^O, and got KDE's Open File dialog! Great! I like that.
Cheers,
Leen - quit smoking years ago ;P
Good for you! I haven't used my Weber for awhile, either.
Thanks. BTW, how long is "a while"? Cheers, Leen
On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 13:00 -0700, PerfectReign wrote:
Leendert Meyer wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 05:52, PerfectReign wrote:
Wow! You're right!
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/windows-alert.html
I wonder what they were smoking when they came up with those...
I wonder what I have been smoking, because I can't find a reference to the Yes/No or No/Yes buttons. 3 x Yes and 2 x No...
Where on the page is it?
Figure 3.12 - This shows Alternate, Cancel, Affirmative. It equates roughly to Cancel, No, Yes.
Errm, that page says "Write button labels as imperative verbs, for example Save, Print". So unless you're the kind of person that verbs their interjections, I think that means any dialog with buttons labelled 'yes' or 'no' was NOT written to those guidelines. And on the original point, the text would have to be worded very strangely to allow the rightmost ('affirmative') button to be labelled 'No'. Do we actually have a real example? BTW, it also says "Make both the primary and secondary text selectable". I think that's really good. I really hate dialogs that won't let you select the text. Cheers, Dave -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
The Nice Spider wrote:
hi,
after try suse gnome for several time, i see suse is not consistent and not USER FRIENDLY here:
Yes, well, that is the main problem with Gnome - not user friendly nor consistent. :P
1. some dialog box show this action buttons: Yes or No, but some dialog box show: No or Yes 2. most of this dialog box show, .i.e: do you like apple? No-Yes. this is NOT HUMAN BEING! Usually we will show/speak/write in this order "Yes or No".
Well, no and yes. We do whatever works. In fact, I've heard that the whole "no" "yes" order thing has origins in a national socialist plot to overthrow the Bolsheviks in the October Revolution. Could you kindly please post some screenshots for us to browse on a website?
As a programmer, i know this come from 0=No and 1=Yes, which 0 ordered before 1. But we must use Yes/No rather than No/Yes for better GUI/User Friendly because the user of Suse is not a computer by a human :) this uncovenient not happen on suse but almost all linux.
suse dev team, do you read this email? on which version suse will change this? 10.2 or 10.3?
Probably on version 11, since it will be louder than 10. HTH!! HAND -- Kai Ponte www.perfectreign.com -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
after try suse gnome for several time, i see suse is not consistent and not USER FRIENDLY here:
Yes, well, that is the main problem with Gnome - not user friendly nor consistent. :P
And exactly why I wonder why anyone would use Gnome. The UI designers for Gnome are bonkers. The UI design starts out making sense, and then they seem to loose control and are all over the place. Inconsistancy is the standard, and they stick to it. I wonder if the Gnome developers actually use Gnome or if they use some other UI to get the real work done. You can't blame SUSE for Gnome being the way it is... try Ubuntu (with the same Gnome release as SUSE) and it's no different. C. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 01:46, Clayton wrote:
Yes, well, that is the main problem with Gnome - not user friendly nor consistent. :P
And exactly why I wonder why anyone would use Gnome. The UI designers for Gnome are bonkers. The UI design starts out making sense, and then they seem to loose control and are all over the place. Inconsistancy is the standard, and they stick to it. I wonder if the Gnome developers actually use Gnome or if they use some other UI to get the real work done.
I think the best evidence of being 'unfriendly' is the file navigation dialog which we KDE users are still stuck with when using Firefox, Audacity, etc. It's abominable. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 17:19, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 01:46, Clayton wrote:
Yes, well, that is the main problem with Gnome - not user friendly nor consistent. :P
And exactly why I wonder why anyone would use Gnome. The UI designers for Gnome are bonkers. The UI design starts out making sense, and then they seem to loose control and are all over the place. Inconsistancy is the standard, and they stick to it. I wonder if the Gnome developers actually use Gnome or if they use some other UI to get the real work done.
I think the best evidence of being 'unfriendly' is the file navigation dialog which we KDE users are still stuck with when using Firefox, Audacity, etc. It's abominable.
This might be interesting http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36077 -- Ut supra post festum sunt obscura -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 11:30, Anders Johansson wrote:
I think the best evidence of being 'unfriendly' is the file navigation dialog which we KDE users are still stuck with when using Firefox, Audacity, etc. It's abominable.
This might be interesting
Whoa!!!! I haven't installed it yet but will do so within the hour. Thanks!!! (I guess I'm not alone on this) -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 18:05, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 11:30, Anders Johansson wrote:
I think the best evidence of being 'unfriendly' is the file navigation dialog which we KDE users are still stuck with when using Firefox, Audacity, etc. It's abominable.
This might be interesting
Whoa!!!! I haven't installed it yet but will do so within the hour.
I have it installed now, and it works well with the gimpand abiword. A very nice little trick -- Ut supra post festum sunt obscura -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 15:25, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 18:05, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Tuesday 18 July 2006 11:30, Anders Johansson wrote:
I think the best evidence of being 'unfriendly' is the file navigation dialog which we KDE users are still stuck with when using Firefox, Audacity, etc. It's abominable.
This might be interesting
Whoa!!!! I haven't installed it yet but will do so within the hour.
I have it installed now, and it works well with the gimpand abiword. A very nice little trick
Yes... I've installed it and it works with firefox too... but not on audacity. Makes it hang. -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
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