Hi! On 11/13/06, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Kai Ponte writes:

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Well, isn't this interesting news... just days after the Novell/Microshaft thing...

Great news ans interesting indeed :-)

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I wonder if - since it will be released in March - it will make it into the next SUSE release - 10.3?

This will be a technical discussion. If the package is working better than the binary ones, then we'll add it for sure...

Please, try to at least find a way to get the latest Java available. It currently quite pain to get it (I'm running 10.0 and can't find them from smart) as SUN provides some windows style installer for it and not rpm. (Yeah, I have already mentioned my views on this installer ... :-) -- HG. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 13 November 2006 05:42, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Kai Ponte writes:

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Well, isn't this interesting news... just days after the Novell/Microshaft thing...

http://news.lycos.com/dynamic/stories/S/SUN_JAVA_OPEN_SOURCE?SITE=LYCOS&S ECTION=TECHNOLOGY&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-11-13-00-26-47

http://tinyurl.com/y2fobr

I wonder if - since it will be released in March - it will make it into the next SUSE release - 10.3?

This will be a technical discussion. If the package is working better than the binary ones, then we'll add it for sure...

Interesting. I hadn't thought of it in that light. I was just bringing attention to it, because openSUSE doesn't include non-OSS software, which currently relegates Java to "other" status. Currently, one has to install Java separately from the the distro. I'm guessing that won't be an issue in the future. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 13 November 2006 12:47, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Kai Ponte writes:

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I was just bringing attention to it, because openSUSE doesn't include non-OSS software, which currently relegates Java to "other" status. Currently, one has to install Java separately from the the distro. I'm guessing that won't be an issue in the future.

There has always been a repository with non-oss stuff and a CD with such stuff - and Sun Java has always been on that media. Those are integrated somehow and can be installed with the distro, since 10.1 you just add an extra "Addon media",

Well, I'm kind of a newbie. I've only been using SUSE since 9.1. In any case, I have answered more than my share of "how do I install this extra stuff" questions. :) I'm just saying that it would be preferable if it were supplied with the distro and being OSS it can be when it is finalized. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 02:33:00PM -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:

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I'm just saying that it would be preferable if it were supplied with the distro and being OSS it can be when it is finalized.

You mean, like on the DVD? Well, it is. Or like in the Boxed version? Well, it is. So it is available with the distro in various ways.

Yes but it can be moved from non-oss to oss once it's released and the packagers made the RPMs. Note that all in all it doesn't make a big difference for users (at least not atm), but it will make a big difference for developers - not the fact that it won't be in non-oss any more, but that it's being GPLd ;) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFWQtUr3NMWliFcXcRAg3JAJ4sFAEO1Wn45YD5m44e3Rt2R3pN4ACfYZkT Yt0p4VnJNupqL5r4FMSTdZc= =lgrK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 13 November 2006 16:03, houghi wrote:

On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 02:33:00PM -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:

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I'm just saying that it would be preferable if it were supplied with the distro and being OSS it can be when it is finalized.

You mean, like on the DVD? Well, it is. Or like in the Boxed version? Well, it is. So it is available with the distro in various ways.

Oh, man houghi is here! I gotta watch myself. /me reminds self to pay better attention to posts... :) Actually I was referring to the download version. I didn't buy 10.1 and noticed Java wasn't included on the five CD set. I did end up getting it when I installed the DVD from Linux Magazine, however. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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In any case, I now have no need to even think about learning Mono .NET. That was weighing on me and is not any longer an issue. :)

Exactly right and if the language that is used by many large companies (banks etc.) is open source, runs on Linux and I can earn my living working with it that would be ideal. .NET is so similiar to Java and the EE concepts it is funny. The one big difference is Sun uses java for their mission critical stuff where as MS shy's away from .NET since it has not been tested yet etc. .... The whole Mono thing is strange the only huge befit for me as a developer it offers is the ability to develop on Linux. Don't slam me I admit I know next to nothing about it, but I think MS will put as many tied into the OS features as possible for their official .NET platform that Mono will have a hard time keeping up. George --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org