[opensuse] 42.2 Live DVD with KDE
Hi everyone. As the openSUSE Team decided not to do official Live media for Leap 42.1 (maybe that decision remains for 42.2?), I decided to help the project trying to do Live media myself. You can check my work here: - Download of ISO image: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kamarada/files/latest/download - KIWI source: https://github.com/kamarada/kiwi-config-Kamarada/tree/42.2 I think Live media are worth it because they are the entrance port for many newbies to Linux. I myself tried Linux a lot before actually installing it. They are also useful in many scenarios. I myself used Live media many times at school and university to avoid Windows viruses and use my favorite desktop and software. With that Leap 42.2 Live media, I tried to come as close as possible from a clean openSUSE Leap 42.2 install made using Network install. Except for Brazilian Portuguese translations and some customizations to YaST Firstboot welcome message and workflow, my Live media is equivalent to a clean openSUSE install. I want to do a few more customizations, mainly to software selection, like adding Wine. You can see what I've done until now in the commit history: https://github.com/kamarada/kiwi-config-Kamarada/commits/42.2 - Support for VirtualBox (tested) and VMware (not tested yet) virtual machines - Pattern laptop - YaST Firstboot to setup language, keyboard layout, license agreement, date and time - Empty root password (no need to worry about it while using the Live system) - Live installer (installation not tested yet, but the installer starts and should work) - Persistent LiveUSB (tested) I'm facing some issues, which I reported at GitHub, and I would appreciate the help of any of you who have sufficient knowledge to solve them (maybe someone who knows very well openSUSE and/or KIWI could help solving those issues): https://github.com/kamarada/kiwi-config-Kamarada/issues/ Briefly, here is what I'm facing: 1) I'm unable to ping, when I try to do so I get the following error message: ping: error while loading shared libraries: libcap.so.2: cannot stat shared object: Permission denied 2) Live system loses keyboard configuration after initial setup, it looks like YaST Firstboot does not store the keyboard layout I select 3) LiveDVD asks for root password although it is empty (a Live media I've made previously for Leap 42.1 was not affected by that issue) Any help would be really appreciated. Thank you in advance! Antonio The Linux Kamarada Project https://kamarada.github.io/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/27/2016 12:27 AM, Linux Kamarada wrote:
Hi everyone.
:-) Good morning!
As the openSUSE Team decided not to do official Live media for Leap 42.1 (maybe that decision remains for 42.2?), I decided to help the project trying to do Live media myself. You can check my work here:
I think Live media are worth it because they are the entrance port for many newbies to Linux. I myself tried Linux a lot before actually installing it. They are also useful in many scenarios. I myself used Live media many times at school and university to avoid Windows viruses and use my favorite desktop and software.
With that Leap 42.2 Live media, I tried to come as close as possible from a clean openSUSE Leap 42.2 install made using Network install.
Every year, the marketing team from Novell come round various cities doing their show and tell. They usually include a few 'partners', always, it seems, IBM. They always hand out a folder of DVDs for the latest installation. I have a collection of these panning the better part of a decade on my shelf :-) They've also given out USB sticks. These have copied of the presentations and more marketing material, spec sheets and such. They have been 2G sticks. This last year there was no USB stick. I asked why and was told that interested parties could download same from the web site. I'm not sure that such economy makes sense. I tried making the point that if you multiply the number of attendees (there were between 150 and 200 at the event here in Toronto) by the number of cities and look at the cost of printing up the folder and pair of DVDs they handed out, and then compared that to the cost in bulk of a 16G DVD with a 'live' version of LEAP/SLED/SLES and a download icon, and all the marketing material as PDF and HTML, the sticks being green with a logo and name and url, it actually works out cheaper. You can, guys, verify this for yourself. There are quite a number of sites on-line that offer this service; make up one image and supply the GIF of the imprint on the side of the stick. Yes, you could probably make a 'live' in 8G but 16G lets you run it for real and save the result. As Antonio points out many people can use this safely at work or at an internet café. Having a decent 'save' space allows customization and configuration of preferences, email set-up, and more. You may think that the reaction from the marketeers at the SUSE Linux Day when I suggested this was a sort of 'deer in the headlights'. You'd be wrong. It started with stony silence. once I presented the cost figures I had an argument on my hands. it was an odd sort of argument. It never touched on my parentage or personal habits, but then again it never touched on economics ether. It seemed to revolve around just the opposite of what Antonio claims. But then again I'm not sure; dealing with sales-critters and marketing critters is often confusing, especially if they have a great deal of technical knowledge, and these guys really know their product! They really do! I think a LiveUSB is a great project, a great way of memetically (aka 'mind virus') infiltrating Linux and specifically SUSE into a ecosystem. I'm just sorry I can't help Antonio with his specific problems. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 8/27/2016 7:57 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
You'd be wrong. It started with stony silence. once I presented the cost figures I had an argument on my hands. it was an odd sort of argument.
I'd be interested in exactly what that line of argument was? A quick peek at Amazon shows that 16gig 2.0 USB thumb drives can be bought for around US$35 in Lots of 10. Twice that if you want USB 3.0. For someone doing a dog-and-pony show, buying in lots of 100 units, the price sinks toward 3 bucks apiece. I'm sure there are better prices around if you dig a bit. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/27/2016 10:57 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
This last year there was no USB stick. I asked why and was told that interested parties could download same from the web site.
How do you download a USB stick? ;-)
I'm not sure that such economy makes sense.
There's an old saying about being "penny wise and pound foolish". This is the sort of problem that arises when you let the bean counters control the company. If they can't put a number on something, they get rid of it, even if it results in some intangible, such as good will, brand recognition etc., that in fact benefits the company. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27 August 2016 at 20:33, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
I'm not sure that such economy makes sense.
There's an old saying about being "penny wise and pound foolish". This is the sort of problem that arises when you let the bean counters control the company. If they can't put a number on something, they get rid of it, even if it results in some intangible, such as good will, brand recognition etc., that in fact benefits the company.
Please read my other reply on this topic ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/27/2016 02:33 PM, James Knott wrote:
There's an old saying about being "penny wise and pound foolish". This is the sort of problem that arises when you let the bean counters control the company. If they can't put a number on something, they get rid of it, even if it results in some intangible, such as good will, brand recognition etc., that in fact benefits the company.
How very true! Let me also reply to John here. Paying retail prices to Amazon for what would amount to a bulk purchase when there are operators who are in the business of producing branded, loaded USB sticks for promotional purposes, organization geared to this and optimized for it, makes no sense. I looked into this for a trade show event I was involved with a couple or five years ago. We supplied the "images", that is both the digital image that goes into the USB memory and the GIF image of the logo that goes on the side of the stick. They have machinery that mass produces this. I'm not saying it a 'race to the bottom' but it is a established and competitive business. This was just a small (<10 person) concern. I'm sure a larger organization with enough of a marketing budget to organize shows in cities all across north America at major downtown hotels and conference centres with advanced A/V can afford a couple of $thousand$ for USB sticks. After all, in past years they had been paying for a couple of DVDs in a nice cardboard folder. And in past years a 2G DVD with all the marketing material and presentations on it. James is quite right about penny pinching. Not least of all because they were still handing out baseball caps with the chameleon head logo and shirt. As it happened, the USB sticks I investigated were to be a Puppy Linux that drove a canned demo. We ordered 2,000 2G USB2.0. From the USA that would be over $5 each. From Asia it was under $1 each. Of course if you want some kind of gimmick, like a USB-as-business card, that's going to be more expensive. And of course larger drives are more expensive as well. KISS. Antonio's ISO image seems to be 1G7. I'm not sure that it would give enough space on a 2G drive to save settings and user settings. A 4G drive would be adequate, though. No need for a 16G drive. Yes, John, there RE better prices around; most of them come from Asia :-) I can think of many reasons why North American sourced ones are more expensive, despite international shipping. None of those reasons are complementary. -- "How well we communicate is determined not by how well we say things but by how well we are understood." -- Andrew S. Grove. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 28/08/2016 à 04:20, Anton Aylward a écrit :
a small (<10 person) concern. I'm sure a larger organization with enough of a marketing budget to organize shows in cities all across north America at major
it should be possible to have relays in most continent to save shipping costs andd have makers send bulk ro relays, no to nuremberg jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Antonio, On 27 August 2016 at 06:27, Linux Kamarada <linuxkamarada@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone.
As the openSUSE Team decided not to do official Live media for Leap 42.1 (maybe that decision remains for 42.2?), I decided to help the project trying to do Live media myself. You can check my work here:
- Download of ISO image: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kamarada/files/latest/download
- KIWI source: https://github.com/kamarada/kiwi-config-Kamarada/tree/42.2
Do you realise that YOU are part of the openSUSE Team also? ;) The 'open' in 'openSUSE' isn't just there for fun, it's really true - any and every contributor is part of the 'openSUSE Team'. The reason we do not do official Leap Live media is because no one has been willing to do the work required to make it fully supportable. Stuff like building the kiwi profiles, testing the results, making sure they meet the quality standards we have for the rest of Leap, dealing with related bug reports, etc All of this work is you can do as part of the openSUSE Project, you do not need to go off and do it on your own. I also know of others who are working on this for Leap 42.2 already. Your best bet would be to discuss your progress so far and what next steps on the correct mailinglist - that would be opensuse-factory@opensuse.org I wrote a blog about this a few months back, might be good reading if you feel you need a little more direction about how to get started as an 'official' contributor - https://rootco.de/2016-04-03-opensuse-and-you/ Thanks for your work so far, Richard Brown openSUSE Chairperson openSUSE Team ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/27/2016 11:22 AM, Richard Brown wrote:
Do you realise that YOU are part of the openSUSE Team also? ;)
That seems like a seriously debatable point. But I'm not going to open old wounds. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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