* Patrick Shanahan [06-09-18 22:38]:

* don fisher [06-09-18 22:32]:

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On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don

I have a similar problem with digikam. Both applications appear to work under root.

make a new user and try. if you succeed, then you have some configuration settings in your <home>, probably under ~/.config/ causing you problems. I would look for directories named rhyth* and digik*

or as <you>, try digikam --config /dev/null if that works, you definitely have a configuration problem, but I don't know enough about digikam to tell you where to look, and I know even less about rhythmbox and have never used gnome, I prefer kde/plasma -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* don fisher [06-09-18 23:12]:

On 06/09/2018 07:37 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* don fisher [06-09-18 22:32]:

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On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don

I have a similar problem with digikam. Both applications appear to work under root.

make a new user and try. if you succeed, then you have some configuration settings in your <home>, probably under ~/.config/ causing you problems. I would look for directories named rhyth* and digik*

There are no .config/ryth*. There are a couple of .config/digik* files. Any idea what the above error means, concerning GDBusError. ? I tried the digikam --config /dev/null command you suggested, and it got confused trying to open some database.

Any idea what happen to gftp?

??? what has gftp to do with digikam and/or rythmbox??? and no, never had an occasion to use it. lftp fits me but I tend to revert to the command line whenever possible.

If it is going to remain absent from the yum list, I will build my own. There is an experimental package for Leap 15 at the Search site. Just curious what the future might hold.

why "yum" and if you are worried about the "future" and trying to utilize bleeding edge, why not Tumbleweed.

This Leap 15 upgrade has been hard for me. Many scripts and configuration files (e.g. fvwm2 and xosview) that operate under 42.3 fail under 15. Including the Opensuse upgrade disk, which failed because there were 1) too many entries in my grub2/devices file, 2) other experimental systems on disks that could not be loaded, 3) the omission in fstab of a mount command for for the .snapshots directory, and others. Appears a bit brittle.

sounds like you have rather borked your system. you might preserve your <home> and try a new installation. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op maandag 11 juni 2018 01:34:01 CEST schreef don fisher:

On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don

Rhytmbox generates error messages:

dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly. dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Could not connect: Permission denied

I did change the owner of some of the files under user to myself. No success.

Don I have to agree with Patrick's reply furter on in the thread: You have seriously borked your system. I've done a dozen of upgrades and an equal amount of fresh installs and have not met any of the issues you're reporting on this ML. Please start over with the defaults, then report issues. Not after tinkering / adjusting the system installed.

-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* don fisher [06-10-18 21:30]: [...]

I will withdraw further comments. Many of the items mentioned I have solved correcting the conditions reported. I was just confused why things that ran under 43.2 failed on 15.

for most people they do not fail, but you seem to have made many changes and alterations and dubious installs and builds that your system is not a "normal" or "usual" system any more. the posts you have made lately only confirm this supposition. for anything to succeed, it must begin with expected circumstances. and that cannot be assumed for your system. so generalized statements that things that ran under 43.2 fail on Leap 15 that you are making are severly tainted and cannot be applied to most other people's systems. but it is yours to do as you wish. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* don fisher [06-11-18 17:31]:

On 06/10/2018 07:51 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* don fisher [06-10-18 21:30]: [...]

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I will withdraw further comments. Many of the items mentioned I have solved correcting the conditions reported. I was just confused why things that ran under 43.2 failed on 15.

for most people they do not fail, but you seem to have made many changes and alterations and dubious installs and builds that your system is not a "normal" or "usual" system any more. the posts you have made lately only confirm this supposition.

for anything to succeed, it must begin with expected circumstances. and that cannot be assumed for your system. so generalized statements that things that ran under 43.2 fail on Leap 15 that you are making are severly tainted and cannot be applied to most other people's systems.

but it is yours to do as you wish.

Thanks. I didn't make any system changes that I am aware of except for the addition of help files to libreoffice (another thread), and the protections under /run/user that I described earlier. I will proceed with debugging in the quiet.

better plan may be to state what you have, what you see, and how you got there so steps may be followed to find the deviations that cause you problems. but ... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-06-14 04:21, don fisher wrote:

On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don

I have tried many things suggested here, and spent much time with google. The problem appears to be with Fvwm2. If login without fvwm rhythmbox works. As soon as I launch fvwm it fails. One error message is: (rhythmbox:27887): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Failed to send notification (dancing_queen): GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Notifications was not provided by any .service files

I looked on the web and found the comment "Notifications doesn't work on Linux standalone window managers". Not sure if this is the problem, but I think that Rhythmbox is trying to save the current track, (dancing_queen) and fails. When I try to stop it there is no response.

And how are you starting fvwm? Because if you do so directly without a login manager, using startx, for instance, things can fail. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE, Leap 15.0 x86_64 (ssd-test)) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-06-14 20:30, don fisher wrote:

On 06/14/2018 01:46 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2018-06-14 04:21, don fisher wrote:

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On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don

I have tried many things suggested here, and spent much time with google. The problem appears to be with Fvwm2. If login without fvwm rhythmbox works. As soon as I launch fvwm it fails. One error message is: (rhythmbox:27887): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Failed to send notification (dancing_queen): GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Notifications was not provided by any .service files

I looked on the web and found the comment "Notifications doesn't work on Linux standalone window managers". Not sure if this is the problem, but I think that Rhythmbox is trying to save the current track, (dancing_queen) and fails. When I try to stop it there is no response.

And how are you starting fvwm?

Because if you do so directly without a login manager, using startx, for instance, things can fail.

Please explain more. I have always launched fvwm2 -r from within my .xinitrc. I do this after choosing the fvwm option at the login window. So I think I am using the fvwm login manager, with a subsequent execution of fvwm in my .xinitrc.

Am I not understanding you?

But you are not using kdm or gdm or lightdm, a display manager aka login manager (runlevel 5)? Well the thing is that some things do not work if you don't use them. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 2018-06-15 02:13, don fisher wrote:

On 06/14/2018 12:43 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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And how are you starting fvwm?

Because if you do so directly without a login manager, using startx, for instance, things can fail.

Please explain more. I have always launched fvwm2 -r from within my .xinitrc. I do this after choosing the fvwm option at the login window. So I think I am using the fvwm login manager, with a subsequent execution of fvwm in my .xinitrc.

Am I not understanding you?

But you are not using kdm or gdm or lightdm, a display manager aka login manager (runlevel 5)? Well the thing is that some things do not work if you don't use them.

In my functioning 42.3 system, the window manger is $WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/startkde, and the x window manger is $XWINDOWMANAGER=fvwm2. How do I see what is running at runlevel 5?

On my Leap 15 system, logging in as $WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/startkde with x window manger still listed as $XWINDOWMANAGER=fvwm2.

We told you and it (a) is on the release notes: a) Use update-alternatives. The variable is ignored. b) fvwm2 does not support update-alternatives. I suppose there is a bugzilla on 'b', so you will have to stay on 42.3 or not use fvwm2 on 15.0 as display manager.

Are you running Leap 15. Could you try to run fvwm, and in one of its windows spawn Rhythmbox and see what you get?

No, I only have a small 15.0 test system, the workhorse is on 42.3 Look, you did not notice this important email: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 16:58:16 +0930 From: Simon Lees <> Subject: Re: [opensuse] Documentation on using an alternate display manager like xdm or fvwm ... fvwm2 has not been patched to use the new update alternatives to set the default window manager which was mostly targeting desktops that you can install from the openSUSE installer, if you have lightdm set as the default then you should be able to select it on login. And this other: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 09:45:41 +0200 From: Michael Vetter <> Subject: Re: [opensuse] Documentation on using an alternate display manager like xdm or fvwm ... Actually there was a bug about this for Tumbleweed: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1080494 I will submit the same changes to Leap 15.0. Thanks for the reminder and sorry for the inconvinience. ====== So, quick answer: no, you can not use it as display manager now in 15.0. Use lightdm instead. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 2018-06-15 10:40, Felix Miata wrote:

Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-06-15 10:03 (UTC+0200):

Submitted, accepted, and update provided a week ago.

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So, quick answer: no, you can not use it as display manager now in 15.0. Use lightdm instead.

???

That was before the bugzilla results were known to me.

zypper in rhythmbox wants to install 46 new packages, so I'm not doing that, but

$ WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/bin/fvwm2 startx

This will not work. 99% sure. For one thing, "WINDOWMANAGER" is ignored on 15.0. For another, I doubt that startx will work with his other problem (command barely maintained).

WFM in 15.0. In /etc/alternatives:

default-displaymanager -> /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/tdm default-xsession.desktop -> /usr/share/xsessions/tde.desktop

Use the command line. If the command does not list fvwm2 as a posibility, then it will not work. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2018-06-15 at 05:12 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-06-15 10:57 (UTC+0200):

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Felix Miata wrote:

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zypper in rhythmbox wants to install 46 new packages, so I'm not doing that, but

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$ WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/bin/fvwm2 startx

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This will not work. 99% sure.

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For one thing, "WINDOWMANAGER" is ignored on 15.0. For another, I doubt that startx will work with his other problem (command barely maintained).

Settings in /etc/sysconfig/ are ignored, not Xorg cmdline options.

Startx will not work for his other problem.

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WFM in 15.0. In /etc/alternatives:

WFM means WORKS FOR ME (I tried it successfully before writing email to thread). It might require '# chmod 4711 /usr/bin/Xorg' first, which I already did.

I'm not referring to that... yes, startx will start and seem to work, but not all features of the desktops and programs will work, because permissions will not be set for the seat, for instance. Things like access to sound, usb sticks, cdroms, etc, may fail and require tinkering. And my guess is, is the GDBus.Error error the OP is getting. Common, startx is deprecated since a decade perhaps. Has it uses, yes, but running a desktop and modern apps is not one of them. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlsjhNIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WJkACfYO+77mmqdDJX2dEFE/EMY0yv HA8AniIu78SRCiLsd7S+VAVpP/hcTZh1 =gvfs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-06-15 11:42, Felix Miata wrote:

Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-06-15 11:20 (UTC+0200):

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Common, startx is deprecated since a decade perhaps. Has it uses, yes, but running a desktop and modern apps is not one of them.

AFAIK, without startx I couldn't even do multiple Xorg instances using preset exported user-specific XORGCONFIG configuration at session outset.

Yes, possibly. However, I can start a second session (different user) from XFCE menu just fine. I have not tried three in years. But AFAIK startx does not support policykit and that is a problem. There are daemons that are not started, things that fail. don says he gets this error: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files rhythmbox is a gnome app, and gnome relies on having a proper display manager doing certain jobs, and startx certainly doesn't do them out of the box. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 2018-06-16 02:42, don fisher wrote:

On 06/15/2018 03:46 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2018-06-15 11:42, Felix Miata wrote:

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Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-06-15 11:20 (UTC+0200):

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Common, startx is deprecated since a decade perhaps. Has it uses, yes, but running a desktop and modern apps is not one of them.

AFAIK, without startx I couldn't even do multiple Xorg instances using preset exported user-specific XORGCONFIG configuration at session outset.

Yes, possibly.

However, I can start a second session (different user) from XFCE menu just fine. I have not tried three in years.

But AFAIK startx does not support policykit and that is a problem. There are daemons that are not started, things that fail.

don says he gets this error:

Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

rhythmbox is a gnome app, and gnome relies on having a proper display manager doing certain jobs, and startx certainly doesn't do them out of the box.

Thanks for the suggestions. I have looked at man pages for .xinitrc, xinit, startx and more. None of these suggest that they are depreciated.

Of course they won't say. (deprecated, not depreciated. Different verb) deprecated (computing) Obsolescent; said of a construct in a computing language considered old, and planned to be phased out, but still available for use. depreciated simple past tense and past participle of depreciate; reduced in value over time. 2001: Java™ 2 SDK, Standard Edition Documentation, Version 1.3.1 -- "Deprecated" and "depreciated" are not same. "Depreciated" is a financial term that means "lowered value". Although the meanings are similar, classes and methods are deprecated, not depreciated. [2] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/depreciated https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deprecated

fvwm2 is listed in Yast2 with no suggestion that it has been depreciated, or is not operational. I read the Change Log and did not see anything that indicated fvwm2 was depreciated or that it would/should not work. So what should my path be? If fvwm2 is a maintained package, shouldn't it be so and is a bug report appropriate?

You can take my word for it, or read back thousands of emails and find references about it. Startx is deprecated, doesn't get full support, lacks modern needed features, like supporting policykit, so something break. Try "rhythmbox" started from gnome or xfce in runlevel 5. Plain simple. Then open a bugzilla and state the results, that it works here and not there, and wait patiently for a solution (that is not using startx). If it doesn't run in gnome in runlevel 5, then report that in bugzilla. Worst problem. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 2018-06-16 05:59, David Haller wrote:

Hello,

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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But AFAIK startx does not support policykit and that is a problem. There are daemons that are not started, things that fail.

So effin' what? That's what ~/.xinitrc/ and ~/.xsession are for. And their defaults in /etc/X11. And both (were) setup such, that a xsession (started via a displaymanager) called your xinitrc.

$ grep -e xinitrc ~/.xsession /home/dh/.xsession:if test -f $HOME/.xinitrc ; then /home/dh/.xsession: exec ssh-agent $HOME/.xinitrc /home/dh/.xsession: exec /bin/bash $HOME/.xinitrc

/etc/X11$ grep -F -ri -e xinitrc xdm/Xsession xinit/xserverrc xdm/Xsession:. /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.common xdm/Xsession:xinitrc=$HOME/.xinitrc xdm/Xsession:sysinit=$XINITDIR/xinitrc xdm/Xsession:# system xsession or xinitrc script if they exist, but xdm/Xsession:elif test -f $xinitrc ; then xdm/Xsession: exec_login "$xinitrc" "$@"

I don't have a 15.0 handy, but those are all "simple" shell-scripts.

There seems (again) to be quite a confusion about what's going while booting and starting X.

BIOS/EFI -> grub/lilo -> kernel -> init (be it sysv or systemd or whatnot) -> ...

a) console-runlevel: .. -> login -> shell -> startx -> xinit -> X (w/session) -> Windowmanager/DE

b) graphical-runlevel: .. -> X -> displaymanager -> X (w/session) -> Windowmanager/DE

Which is why SUSE made ~/.xsession and /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession run /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc* and ~/.xinitrc, so that stuff could be put into just one place, similar to /etc/profile* and ~/.profile sourced by all posix-shells.

DO NOT CONFUSE A DISPLAYMANAGER (xdm, tdm, gdk, kdm, sddm, lightdm...) WITH A WIDOWMANAGER (twm, fvwm, aewm, openbox, fluxbox, WindowMaker, kwin, ...)

I don't.

A displaymanager is just a fancy graphical shell for login and choosing your windowmanager.

Not "just" anymore. It starts, for instance: /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/dbus-launch /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/gpg-agent /home/cer/.xinitrc It handles permission to access sound, for instance.

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don says he gets this error:

Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

rhythmbox is a gnome app, and gnome relies on having a proper display manager doing certain jobs, and startx certainly doesn't do them out of the box.

So, as I wrote, Don has to install gsettings and dbus and have it started.

Good luck with that. Tell him how *exactly* to get rhythmbox in 15.0 and fvwm2. Install yourself 15.0 and try, then tell him exactly how to do it via startx. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)