* don fisher [06-09-18 22:32]:

On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don

I have a similar problem with digikam. Both applications appear to work under root.

make a new user and try. if you succeed, then you have some configuration settings in your <home>, probably under ~/.config/ causing you problems. I would look for directories named rhyth* and digik* -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/09/2018 07:37 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* don fisher [06-09-18 22:32]:

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On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don

I have a similar problem with digikam. Both applications appear to work under root.

make a new user and try. if you succeed, then you have some configuration settings in your <home>, probably under ~/.config/ causing you problems. I would look for directories named rhyth* and digik*

There are no .config/ryth*. There are a couple of .config/digik* files. Any idea what the above error means, concerning GDBusError. ? I tried the digikam --config /dev/null command you suggested, and it got confused trying to open some database. Any idea what happen to gftp? If it is going to remain absent from the yum list, I will build my own. There is an experimental package for Leap 15 at the Search site. Just curious what the future might hold. This Leap 15 upgrade has been hard for me. Many scripts and configuration files (e.g. fvwm2 and xosview) that operate under 42.3 fail under 15. Including the Opensuse upgrade disk, which failed because there were 1) too many entries in my grub2/devices file, 2) other experimental systems on disks that could not be loaded, 3) the omission in fstab of a mount command for for the .snapshots directory, and others. Appears a bit brittle. Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don Rhytmbox generates error messages:

dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly. dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Could not connect: Permission denied I did change the owner of some of the files under user to myself. No success. Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2018-06-09 at 19:23 -0700, don fisher wrote:

I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help.

I would try with a new user. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlsdxPQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W+BACeIPBpMZPTUu8x6PCn2QzYJ/EK Y5AAnjrxJXi0Ex60e/sN09H0BthWHH3Y =IdI7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* don fisher [06-10-18 21:30]: [...]

I will withdraw further comments. Many of the items mentioned I have solved correcting the conditions reported. I was just confused why things that ran under 43.2 failed on 15.

for most people they do not fail, but you seem to have made many changes and alterations and dubious installs and builds that your system is not a "normal" or "usual" system any more. the posts you have made lately only confirm this supposition. for anything to succeed, it must begin with expected circumstances. and that cannot be assumed for your system. so generalized statements that things that ran under 43.2 fail on Leap 15 that you are making are severly tainted and cannot be applied to most other people's systems. but it is yours to do as you wish. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* don fisher [06-11-18 17:31]:

On 06/10/2018 07:51 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* don fisher [06-10-18 21:30]: [...]

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I will withdraw further comments. Many of the items mentioned I have solved correcting the conditions reported. I was just confused why things that ran under 43.2 failed on 15.

for most people they do not fail, but you seem to have made many changes and alterations and dubious installs and builds that your system is not a "normal" or "usual" system any more. the posts you have made lately only confirm this supposition.

for anything to succeed, it must begin with expected circumstances. and that cannot be assumed for your system. so generalized statements that things that ran under 43.2 fail on Leap 15 that you are making are severly tainted and cannot be applied to most other people's systems.

but it is yours to do as you wish.

Thanks. I didn't make any system changes that I am aware of except for the addition of help files to libreoffice (another thread), and the protections under /run/user that I described earlier. I will proceed with debugging in the quiet.

better plan may be to state what you have, what you see, and how you got there so steps may be followed to find the deviations that cause you problems. but ... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don

I have tried many things suggested here, and spent much time with google. The problem appears to be with Fvwm2. If login without fvwm rhythmbox works. As soon as I launch fvwm it fails. One error message is: (rhythmbox:27887): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Failed to send notification (dancing_queen): GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Notifications was not provided by any .service files I looked on the web and found the comment "Notifications doesn't work on Linux standalone window managers". Not sure if this is the problem, but I think that Rhythmbox is trying to save the current track, (dancing_queen) and fails. When I try to stop it there is no response. The fvwm version on 43.2 was 2.6.6, now it is 2.6.7. In the line for supported options the new version does not have PNG listed, which I thought was just a file format, but that may be wrong. Is there a way to load fvwm 2.6.6 on leap 15 as an experiment? I guess I could download the source and try to build it in the Leap 15 environment if there are no other alternatives. Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/14/2018 01:46 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-06-14 04:21, don fisher wrote:

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On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don

I have tried many things suggested here, and spent much time with google. The problem appears to be with Fvwm2. If login without fvwm rhythmbox works. As soon as I launch fvwm it fails. One error message is: (rhythmbox:27887): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Failed to send notification (dancing_queen): GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Notifications was not provided by any .service files

I looked on the web and found the comment "Notifications doesn't work on Linux standalone window managers". Not sure if this is the problem, but I think that Rhythmbox is trying to save the current track, (dancing_queen) and fails. When I try to stop it there is no response.

And how are you starting fvwm?

Because if you do so directly without a login manager, using startx, for instance, things can fail.

Please explain more. I have always launched fvwm2 -r from within my .xinitrc. I do this after choosing the fvwm option at the login window. So I think I am using the fvwm login manager, with a subsequent execution of fvwm in my .xinitrc. Am I not understanding you? Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/14/2018 12:43 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-06-14 20:30, don fisher wrote:

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On 06/14/2018 01:46 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2018-06-14 04:21, don fisher wrote:

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On 06/09/2018 07:23 PM, don fisher wrote:

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I am having troubles with rhythmbox. The application opens, and I can select a track to play. But none of the buttons work. I receive an error message: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

I do not have Gnome installed. And I do not know what this means. Please help. Don

I have tried many things suggested here, and spent much time with google. The problem appears to be with Fvwm2. If login without fvwm rhythmbox works. As soon as I launch fvwm it fails. One error message is: (rhythmbox:27887): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Failed to send notification (dancing_queen): GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Notifications was not provided by any .service files

I looked on the web and found the comment "Notifications doesn't work on Linux standalone window managers". Not sure if this is the problem, but I think that Rhythmbox is trying to save the current track, (dancing_queen) and fails. When I try to stop it there is no response.

And how are you starting fvwm?

Because if you do so directly without a login manager, using startx, for instance, things can fail.

Please explain more. I have always launched fvwm2 -r from within my .xinitrc. I do this after choosing the fvwm option at the login window. So I think I am using the fvwm login manager, with a subsequent execution of fvwm in my .xinitrc.

Am I not understanding you?

But you are not using kdm or gdm or lightdm, a display manager aka login manager (runlevel 5)? Well the thing is that some things do not work if you don't use them.

In my functioning 42.3 system, the window manger is $WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/startkde, and the x window manger is $XWINDOWMANAGER=fvwm2. How do I see what is running at runlevel 5? On my Leap 15 system, logging in as $WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/startkde with x window manger still listed as $XWINDOWMANAGER=fvwm2. Are you running Leap 15. Could you try to run fvwm, and in one of its windows spawn Rhythmbox and see what you get? Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-06-15 10:03 (UTC+0200):

don fisher wrote:

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In my functioning 42.3 system, the window manger is $WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/startkde, and the x window manger is $XWINDOWMANAGER=fvwm2. How do I see what is running at runlevel 5?

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On my Leap 15 system, logging in as $WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/startkde with x window manger still listed as $XWINDOWMANAGER=fvwm2.

We told you and it (a) is on the release notes:

a) Use update-alternatives. The variable is ignored.

b) fvwm2 does not support update-alternatives.

I suppose there is a bugzilla on 'b', so you will have to stay on 42.3 or not use fvwm2 on 15.0 as display manager.

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Are you running Leap 15. Could you try to run fvwm, and in one of its windows spawn Rhythmbox and see what you get?

No, I only have a small 15.0 test system, the workhorse is on 42.3

Actually there was a bug about this for Tumbleweed: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1080494

I will submit the same changes to Leap 15.0. Thanks for the reminder and sorry for the inconvinience.

Submitted, accepted, and update provided a week ago.

So, quick answer: no, you can not use it as display manager now in 15.0. Use lightdm instead.

??? zypper in rhythmbox wants to install 46 new packages, so I'm not doing that, but $ WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/bin/fvwm2 startx WFM in 15.0. In /etc/alternatives: default-displaymanager -> /usr/lib/X11/displaymanagers/tdm default-xsession.desktop -> /usr/share/xsessions/tde.desktop -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-06-15 10:57 (UTC+0200):

Felix Miata wrote:

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zypper in rhythmbox wants to install 46 new packages, so I'm not doing that, but

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$ WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/bin/fvwm2 startx

This will not work. 99% sure.

For one thing, "WINDOWMANAGER" is ignored on 15.0. For another, I doubt that startx will work with his other problem (command barely maintained).

Settings in /etc/sysconfig/ are ignored, not Xorg cmdline options.

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WFM in 15.0. In /etc/alternatives:

WFM means WORKS FOR ME (I tried it successfully before writing email to thread). It might require '# chmod 4711 /usr/bin/Xorg' first, which I already did. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-06-15 11:20 (UTC+0200):

Common, startx is deprecated since a decade perhaps. Has it uses, yes, but running a desktop and modern apps is not one of them.

AFAIK, without startx I couldn't even do multiple Xorg instances using preset exported user-specific XORGCONFIG configuration at session outset. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/15/2018 03:46 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-06-15 11:42, Felix Miata wrote:

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Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-06-15 11:20 (UTC+0200):

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Common, startx is deprecated since a decade perhaps. Has it uses, yes, but running a desktop and modern apps is not one of them.

AFAIK, without startx I couldn't even do multiple Xorg instances using preset exported user-specific XORGCONFIG configuration at session outset.

Yes, possibly.

However, I can start a second session (different user) from XFCE menu just fine. I have not tried three in years.

But AFAIK startx does not support policykit and that is a problem. There are daemons that are not started, things that fail.

don says he gets this error:

Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

rhythmbox is a gnome app, and gnome relies on having a proper display manager doing certain jobs, and startx certainly doesn't do them out of the box.

Thanks for the suggestions. I have looked at man pages for .xinitrc, xinit, startx and more. None of these suggest that they are depreciated. fvwm2 is listed in Yast2 with no suggestion that it has been depreciated, or is not operational. I read the Change Log and did not see anything that indicated fvwm2 was depreciated or that it would/should not work. So what should my path be? If fvwm2 is a maintained package, shouldn't it be so and is a bug report appropriate? I will try to implement some of the suggestions proposed, and thanks, but do not understand the suggestion that it just doesn't work, so do something else:-( Please explain where I may have missed something stating that fvwm2 is not to be used. I am sort of an old timer, and just like the look and feel of Mwm. Hence my desire for the similar interface presented by fvwm2. Don -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hello, On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Carlos E. R. wrote:

But AFAIK startx does not support policykit and that is a problem. There are daemons that are not started, things that fail.

So effin' what? That's what ~/.xinitrc/ and ~/.xsession are for. And their defaults in /etc/X11. And both (were) setup such, that a xsession (started via a displaymanager) called your xinitrc. $ grep -e xinitrc ~/.xsession /home/dh/.xsession:if test -f $HOME/.xinitrc ; then /home/dh/.xsession: exec ssh-agent $HOME/.xinitrc /home/dh/.xsession: exec /bin/bash $HOME/.xinitrc /etc/X11$ grep -F -ri -e xinitrc xdm/Xsession xinit/xserverrc xdm/Xsession:. /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.common xdm/Xsession:xinitrc=$HOME/.xinitrc xdm/Xsession:sysinit=$XINITDIR/xinitrc xdm/Xsession:# system xsession or xinitrc script if they exist, but xdm/Xsession:elif test -f $xinitrc ; then xdm/Xsession: exec_login "$xinitrc" "$@" I don't have a 15.0 handy, but those are all "simple" shell-scripts. There seems (again) to be quite a confusion about what's going while booting and starting X. BIOS/EFI -> grub/lilo -> kernel -> init (be it sysv or systemd or whatnot) -> ... a) console-runlevel: .. -> login -> shell -> startx -> xinit -> X (w/session) -> Windowmanager/DE b) graphical-runlevel: .. -> X -> displaymanager -> X (w/session) -> Windowmanager/DE Which is why SUSE made ~/.xsession and /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession run /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc* and ~/.xinitrc, so that stuff could be put into just one place, similar to /etc/profile* and ~/.profile sourced by all posix-shells. DO NOT CONFUSE A DISPLAYMANAGER (xdm, tdm, gdk, kdm, sddm, lightdm...) WITH A WIDOWMANAGER (twm, fvwm, aewm, openbox, fluxbox, WindowMaker, kwin, ...) A displaymanager is just a fancy graphical shell for login and choosing your windowmanager.

don says he gets this error:

Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

rhythmbox is a gnome app, and gnome relies on having a proper display manager doing certain jobs, and startx certainly doesn't do them out of the box.

So, as I wrote, Don has to install gsettings and dbus and have it started. In what way ever. I'm used to stuff getting started automatically, esp. even if I don't want it (e.g. gconfd-2)... But there's nothing emulating what gdm does: $ rpm -ql gnome-settings-daemon /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-fallback-mount-helper.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-settings-daemon.desktop Too bad I deleted that autostart, I hate those. But I guess that /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/gnome-settings-daemon is somehow started. See the 'Exec=' line in that .desktop file. Put that into your ~/.xinitrc or whatever your WM (fvwm) provides as another autostart mechanism and *tada* dbus should find and reach the org.gnome.SettingsDaemon dbus interface. -dnh -- We have reason to believe that man first walked upright to free his hands for masturbation. -- Lily Tomlin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Hello, On Sat, 16 Jun 2018, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-06-16 05:59, David Haller wrote: [..]

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DO NOT CONFUSE A DISPLAYMANAGER (xdm, tdm, gdk, kdm, sddm, lightdm...) WITH A WIDOWMANAGER (twm, fvwm, aewm, openbox, fluxbox, WindowMaker, kwin, ...)

I don't.

Others in this thread seem to.

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A displaymanager is just a fancy graphical shell for login and choosing your windowmanager.

Not "just" anymore.

It starts, for instance: /usr/bin/ck-launch-session /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/gpg-agent

I do NOT need nor use _any_ of those.

/usr/bin/dbus-launch

That one's difficult, but that one gets started constantly even when I do not want it.

/home/cer/.xinitrc

And _IFF_ I wanted e.g. ssh-agent/gpg-agent, I could start those via xinitrc or some other autostart or login-script or whatnot.

It handles permission to access sound, for instance.

Oh, you mean that "seat" feature of consolekit/systemd? Who _actually_ does sit at a single computer with more than one person sitting there, typing and playing sounds??? Are you kidding me?

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don says he gets this error:

Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.ServiceUnKnown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files

rhythmbox is a gnome app, and gnome relies on having a proper display manager doing certain jobs, and startx certainly doesn't do them out of the box.

So, as I wrote, Don has to install gsettings and dbus and have it started.

Good luck with that.

Tell him how *exactly* to get rhythmbox in 15.0 and fvwm2. Install yourself 15.0 and try, then tell him exactly how to do it via startx.

Well, actually, it turns out that rhythmbox doesn't even need gsettings. (rhythmbox:22518): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: 11:40:41.884: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files How could it, this being on my gentoo (chrooted to ATM), with no systemd or other crap. But rhythmbox still plays a mp3 just fine. Ok, dbus stuff is running (partly in the chroot)... Killing that off and running 'chmod 0 /usr/bin/dbus-*'. And *tada*, rhythmbox still plays a mp3 just fine. Not a dbus nor gsettings process in sight. (host)# ps ax |grep -i -e dbus -e gsettings 23849 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep -i -e dbus -e gsettings (while rhythmbox is happily playing a mp3) Naturally, I can't _use_ dbus (e.g. via xbindkeys + dbus-send) to manipulate rhythmbox in that situation. Oh, BTW, that's with rhythmbox-3.4.2 built upon gstreamer-1.12.4 plus gst-plugins-{base,bad,good}-1.12.4. So, actually, something completely different must be amiss for Don, as rhythmbox needs to be compiled against dbus (and indirectly gsettings I think), but does not actually needs it to run. I'll see (or not) if i get a Leap 15.0 VM running... -dnh -- "Funny. Just when you think life can't get any worse, it suddenly does." -- Marvin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org